GPL 2 - What Might Have Been

Dave Noonan's NASCAR 2003/N2002/N4 Converter - An Appreciation Let's hear it for Dave Noonan, an early GPL trackmaker (his Imola remains one of the game's enduring pleasures), and previous auteur of a successful GPL track converter. Now mining the same sources, he has come up with a NASCAR 2003/N2002/N4 converter that allows you to drive late-model Cup cars at 31 tracks "borrowed" from previous Papy games like IndyCar Racing and NASCAR Legends. While stock cars are a bit more wobbly and wallowy than vintage Formula One cars, the improvements in Papy's physics model (particularly the tire modeling) give you an idea of what driving GPL 2 might have felt like...and it feels good. Frankly, my dears, I don't give a damn about any more ovals (even Papy's new figure-8 add-on for N2003 is a bore), but I do have a keen appreciation for the road courses in the converter, particularly Riverside (you drive thru sand storms in the Esses, just like Gurney did), Spa (would you believe 3:05s in a *stock* car?), Monza (at last, an easy way to go sub-1:30), Mosport, Monaco, a chicane-less Watkins Glen, Rouen, and Kyalami. Less successful but still interesting: Heartland, Laguna Seca, Mexico, Mid-Ohio, Portland, Surfers, Toronto, and Vancouver. Be warned: I had some texture problems with an ATI Radeon (altho none with an nVidia GeForce). Grab it at: http://www.sim-garage.co.uk/ The full version is a mere 15 U.K. pounds, and worth every pence. If you need further convincing, a demo is available for free. Previous Noonan converters for Papy's NASCAR series add tracks like the infamous Bull Run, Ste. Jovite, the Oesterreichring, and Silverstone (a gem...and perfect for online bashes). It's made a Cup car road-racer outta me. I'm nominating Noonan for knighthood. Seconds? --Steve Smith

Steve Smith wrote: > > Frankly, my dears, I don't give a damn about any more ovals (even Papy's new Sinner. You must repent! ;) hehe. I'm kidding ya, man. That's just the beer talkin'. :) -Will

> Dave Noonan's NASCAR 2003/N2002/N4 Converter - An Appreciation > > It's made a Cup car road-racer outta me. I'm nominating Noonan for > knighthood. Seconds? > > --Steve Smith A second here. Without question (in my mind anyway), Dave's work is the single biggest improvement to the NRxxxx series ever. The only thing closer is the excellent spotter sound pack made by Dave Hoffman (the way the spotter SHOULD have been done, Papy). Dave Noonan's converter + End of the line for NASCAR sims by Papy + Ingenuity of the sim community regarding mods & updates = One hell of a good time! If the sim community spends 50% of the time it did/does on GPL on the Nr2003, then look out. Spanning Tom Pabst and others with their track graphics, Dave Hoffman and his continued work on the spotter/crew chief and OH, to have the ability to convert the best GPL user made tracks to a NR2003 format...... As a die hard NASCAR fan (for the time being, they are quickly spinning out of conrol and driving me ((and plenty of others)) away...but that's for another thread), I usually race the hell outta the new Papy sim and then wait and wait and wait until I can get ahold of the newest converter from DN. He never disappoints, imo. Thanks again, Dave. Keep it up and keep the converts coming (Lemans??????) Dave R.

Forgot Elkhart Lake, a great stock car track. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ocAAa.21444$[email hidden]...

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> Dave Noonan's NASCAR 2003/N2002/N4 Converter - An Appreciation > > Let's hear it for Dave Noonan, an early GPL trackmaker (his Imola remains > one of the game's enduring pleasures), and previous auteur of a successful > GPL track converter. > > Now mining the same sources, he has come up with a NASCAR 2003/N2002/N4 > converter that allows you to drive late-model Cup cars at 31 tracks > "borrowed" from previous Papy games like IndyCar Racing and NASCAR

Legends. > While stock cars are a bit more wobbly and wallowy than vintage FormulaOne > cars, the improvements in Papy's physics model (particularly the tire > modeling) give you an idea of what driving GPL 2 might have feltlike...and > it feels good. > > Frankly, my dears, I don't give a damn about any more ovals (even Papy'snew > figure-8 add-on for N2003 is a bore), but I do have a keen appreciationfor

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> the road courses in the converter, particularly Riverside (you drive thru > sand storms in the Esses, just like Gurney did), Spa (would you believe > 3:05s in a *stock* car?), Monza (at last, an easy way to go sub-1:30), > Mosport, Monaco, a chicane-less Watkins Glen, Rouen, and Kyalami. > > Less successful but still interesting: Heartland, Laguna Seca, Mexico, > Mid-Ohio, Portland, Surfers, Toronto, and Vancouver. Be warned: I had

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> texture problems with an ATI Radeon (altho none with an nVidia GeForce). > > Grab it at: > > http://www.sim-garage.co.uk/ > > The full version is a mere 15 U.K. pounds, and worth every pence. If you > need further convincing, a demo is available for free. > > Previous Noonan converters for Papy's NASCAR series add tracks like the > infamous Bull Run, Ste. Jovite, the Oesterreichring, and Silverstone (a > gem...and perfect for online bashes). > > It's made a Cup car road-racer outta me. I'm nominating Noonan for > knighthood. Seconds? > > --Steve Smith > >

On Tue, 27 May 2003 02:38:12 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Dave Noonan's NASCAR 2003/N2002/N4 Converter - An Appreciation Only reason I've loaded the sim in the past 3 months, quite frankly. GPL tracks are a blast, as are Long Beach and Laguna Seca. Now if someone would get around to converting Lime Rock, Falkenberg, and Bathurst from GPL we'd be really cooking. =) Jason

I have the converter but how do you convert riverside, and O-ring?

The Oring was from an earlier converter. For the late, great Riverside, you need a (rare) copy of NASCAR Legends. "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uWKAa.46534$[email hidden]... > > I have the converter but how do you convert riverside, and O-ring? > > >

On Tue, 27 May 2003 14:19:44 GMT, [email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote:

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>On Tue, 27 May 2003 02:38:12 GMT, "Steve Smith" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Dave Noonan's NASCAR 2003/N2002/N4 Converter - An Appreciation > >Only reason I've loaded the sim in the past 3 months, quite frankly. > >GPL tracks are a blast, as are Long Beach and Laguna Seca. > >Now if someone would get around to converting Lime Rock, Falkenberg, >and Bathurst from GPL we'd be really cooking. =) > >Jason

And Gronland. I frankly am completely in love with Spa at this point. I know you hardcore types prefer the agonies of the 'Ring, but for someone who isn't quite at that level of ability (and is too lazy to memorize all those turns), Spa is a dream, even if I keep wrecking every third lap (I particularly hate it when I lose it, slide through one of those "ghost" houses, and can't get back on the friggin track...). John DiFool

Lawman_02766 wrote: > The only > thing closer is the excellent spotter sound pack made by Dave Hoffman > (the way the spotter SHOULD have been done, Papy). Got an URL for this one? -- Fester

Steve Smith wrote: > > Dave Noonan's NASCAR 2003/N2002/N4 Converter - An Appreciation I hear a roumor that Dave's hired a new PR guy......:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Doesn't need one. <VBG> "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Steve Smith wrote: > > > > Dave Noonan's NASCAR 2003/N2002/N4 Converter - An Appreciation > > I hear a roumor that Dave's hired a new PR guy......:-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Yeah, I'd like Dave Hoffman's addy too. TIA. "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Lawman_02766 wrote: > > > The only > > thing closer is the excellent spotter sound pack made by Dave Hoffman > > (the way the spotter SHOULD have been done, Papy). > > > Got an URL for this one? > > -- > > Fester >

Ya lazy toad! Try Google! Here: http://www.dwarehouse.com/nr03.htm "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NATAa.4979$[email hidden]...

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> Yeah, I'd like Dave Hoffman's addy too. TIA. > > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Lawman_02766 wrote: > > > > > The only > > > thing closer is the excellent spotter sound pack made by Dave Hoffman > > > (the way the spotter SHOULD have been done, Papy). > > > > > > Got an URL for this one? > > > > -- > > > > Fester > > > >

In article <mALAa.51098$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> writes: >The Oring was from an earlier converter. For the late, great Riverside, you >need a (rare) copy of NASCAR Legends. Rare? The last two Best Buys I went into had a couple copies on the shelf... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Question, chaps: Is it necessary to first buy the N2002 Converter or is there actually a N2003 Converter? (The last converter I bought from David was for GPL->ICR2, I think!! Or the other way 'round - not sure) Bruce. [email hidden]

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > Question, chaps: > Is it necessary to first buy the N2002 Converter or is there actually a > N2003 Converter? > (The last converter I bought from David was for GPL->ICR2, I think!! Or the > other way 'round - not sure) G'day mate :-) Right now (unless it's been changed in the past couple of days) I don't think you can buy the N2003 converter as such, you buy the N2002 converter and get an update Alas....no Bathurst :-/ Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

G'day, Goy. :) Thanks for that info.....I guess I'll place an order with David for the N2002 Converter and take it from there. I REALLY want to have Spa and the 'Ring in my N2003 circuit inventory. :) Regards, Bruce.

In article <3ed448c7$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Bruce Kennewell) wrote: > Is it necessary to first buy the N2002 Converter Yes, buy that, then DL the beta N2003. Andrew McP

Lucky you. I haven't seen any (except in remaindered bins, which don't show up on inventory s/w) in years. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <mALAa.51098$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >The Oring was from an earlier converter. For the late, great Riverside,you > >need a (rare) copy of NASCAR Legends. > > Rare? The last two Best Buys I went into had a couple copies on theshelf...

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> > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.950 > MonsterRank: +305.145 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I just got the N2003 converter (never did have the N2002 edition). "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> G'day, Goy. :) > Thanks for that info.....I guess I'll place an order with David for the > N2002 Converter and take it from there. > I REALLY want to have Spa and the 'Ring in my N2003 circuit inventory. :) > > Regards, > Bruce. > >

On Wed, 28 May 2003 11:39:41 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Lucky you. I haven't seen any (except in remaindered bins, which don't show >up on inventory s/w) in years. It might seem a waste, but I'd just find a place online with the Acceleration Pack. That way you get the Legends Tracks, the N3 Tracks, and the Truck tracks. No need for NR1999 or N2 since the converter will convert the superior N3-era versions. Jason

On Wed, 28 May 2003 09:32:04 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >Alas....no Bathurst :-/ I've heard rumors that someone is working on this for N2k3.... Jason

Steve Smith wrote: > Ya lazy toad! Try Google! Here: > > http://www.dwarehouse.com/nr03.htm DOH!! Thanx a lot Steve! -- Fester

Jason Moyer wrote:

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> > On Wed, 28 May 2003 09:32:04 +0200, Goy Larsen > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Alas....no Bathurst :-/ > > I've heard rumors that someone is working on this for N2k3....

AUSSIEV8's !!!! Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Uncle! I was replying to myself (for being too lazy to look it up), not you! --Mr. Toad "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Steve Smith wrote: > > Ya lazy toad! Try Google! Here: > > > > http://www.dwarehouse.com/nr03.htm > > > DOH!! Thanx a lot Steve! > > -- > > Fester >

Good idea! As fior me, I was only interested in the road circuits, and the only oddball natural-terrain track from the NASCAR series was Heartland, prolly my least-fav road course of all time. I sure wish NASCAR Legends had included Bridgehampton.... "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 28 May 2003 11:39:41 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Lucky you. I haven't seen any (except in remaindered bins, which don'tshow

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> >up on inventory s/w) in years. > > It might seem a waste, but I'd just find a place online with the > Acceleration Pack. That way you get the Legends Tracks, the N3 > Tracks, and the Truck tracks. No need for NR1999 or N2 since the > converter will convert the superior N3-era versions. > > Jason

No, the N2003/2002/N4 converter is a standalone product. "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <3ed448c7$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Bruce > Kennewell) wrote: > > > Is it necessary to first buy the N2002 Converter > > Yes, buy that, then DL the beta N2003. > > Andrew McP

In article <1e1Ba.5860$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Lucky you. I haven't seen any (except in remaindered bins, which don't show >up on inventory s/w) in years. > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <mALAa.51098$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >The Oring was from an earlier converter. For the late, great Riverside, >you >> >need a (rare) copy of NASCAR Legends. >> >> Rare? The last two Best Buys I went into had a couple copies on the >shelf...

You want me to pick one up for you? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

No, I worked on the beta. I've got a coupla copies. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <1e1Ba.5860$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Lucky you. I haven't seen any (except in remaindered bins, which don'tshow

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> >up on inventory s/w) in years. > > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> In article <mALAa.51098$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" > >> <[email hidden]> writes: > >> > >> >The Oring was from an earlier converter. For the late, great

Riverside,

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> >you > >> >need a (rare) copy of NASCAR Legends. > >> > >> Rare? The last two Best Buys I went into had a couple copies on the > >shelf... > > You want me to pick one up for you? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.950 > MonsterRank: +305.145 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I mean no THANK YOU. (Where are my manners?) "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aYnBa.55155$[email hidden]...

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> No, I worked on the beta. I've got a coupla copies. > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <1e1Ba.5860$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Lucky you. I haven't seen any (except in remaindered bins, which don't > show > > >up on inventory s/w) in years. > > > > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> In article <mALAa.51098$[email hidden]>, "Steve

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> > >> <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> > > >> >The Oring was from an earlier converter. For the late, great > Riverside, > > >you > > >> >need a (rare) copy of NASCAR Legends. > > >> > > >> Rare? The last two Best Buys I went into had a couple copies on the > > >shelf... > > > > You want me to pick one up for you? > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank:-1.950 > > MonsterRank: +305.145 > > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

Steve if you like the roadies and have nothing to do on Thursdays I suggest you check out this link http://member.newsguy.com/~tbones/SRRS/index.htm I can't positively remember but I think you ran GPL with us in the GMSS and this is the NCar roadie section of it. Dave's doing a fine job with the league but we could definately use more drivers. Mike Horton

Steve Smith wrote: > I mean no THANK YOU. (Where are my manners?) Errr yeah Steve, I was wondering where you picked up such *terrible* quoting netiquette as well ;) Regards, Rudy

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> > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aYnBa.55155$[email hidden]... > >>No, I worked on the beta. I've got a coupla copies. >> >>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:[email hidden]... >> >>>In article <1e1Ba.5860$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" >>><[email hidden]> writes: >>> >>> >>>>Lucky you. I haven't seen any (except in remaindered bins, which don't >> >>show >> >>>>up on inventory s/w) in years. >>>> >>>>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>news:[email hidden]... >>>> >>>>>In article <mALAa.51098$[email hidden]>, "Steve > > Smith" > >>>>><[email hidden]> writes: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The Oring was from an earlier converter. For the late, great >> >>Riverside, >> >>>>you >>>> >>>>>>need a (rare) copy of NASCAR Legends. >>>>> >>>>>Rare? The last two Best Buys I went into had a couple copies on the >>>> >>>>shelf... >>> >>>You want me to pick one up for you? >>> >>>Eldred >>>-- >>>Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >>>GPLRank:-1.950 >>>MonsterRank: +305.145 >>>N2002 Rank:+17.59 >>> >>>Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats >> >>you >> >>>with experience... >>>Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >> >> > >

In article <7ZnBa.55156$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> writes: >I mean no THANK YOU. (Where are my manners?) > >"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:aYnBa.55155$[email hidden]... >> No, I worked on the beta. I've got a coupla copies. Hehe... No problem, Steve...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

If you're looking for Rembrandts, try the Louvre. If you're looking to race Cup cars on road circuits, try Noonan's converter. "Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ed86083$0$6482$[email hidden]... > Can you guys tell me just how good the tracks convert? > I mean do they look cheap and out of place,or do they look comparable tothe

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> original nascar 2003 tracks.. > > What are trackside graphics like ect,texture quality > > thanks > "Michael Horton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XdxBa.1682$[email hidden]... > > Steve if you like the roadies and have nothing to do on Thursdays I > suggest > > you check out this link http://member.newsguy.com/~tbones/SRRS/index.htm > > > > I can't positively remember but I think you ran GPL with us in the GMSS > and > > this is the NCar roadie section of it. Dave's doing a fine job with the > > league but we could definately use more drivers. > > > > Mike Horton > > > > > >

Should add, tho, that the N2003 converter is free to those who own the N2002 converter. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5hcBa.10190$[email hidden]...

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> No, the N2003/2002/N4 converter is a standalone product. > > "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <3ed448c7$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Bruce > > Kennewell) wrote: > > > > > Is it necessary to first buy the N2002 Converter > > > > Yes, buy that, then DL the beta N2003. > > > > Andrew McP > >

Can you guys tell me just how good the tracks convert? I mean do they look cheap and out of place,or do they look comparable to the original nascar 2003 tracks.. What are trackside graphics like ect,texture quality thanks "Michael Horton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XdxBa.1682$[email hidden]... > Steve if you like the roadies and have nothing to do on Thursdays Isuggest > you check out this link http://member.newsguy.com/~tbones/SRRS/index.htm > > I can't positively remember but I think you ran GPL with us in the GMSSand > this is the NCar roadie section of it. Dave's doing a fine job with the > league but we could definately use more drivers. > > Mike Horton > >

Hi Goy, what do you mean 'no Bathurst' - am I misunderstanding something, or don't you check your own website? :) Achim "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > Alas....no Bathurst :-/

Joachim Trensz wrote: > > Hi Goy, > > what do you mean 'no Bathurst' - am I misunderstanding something, or don't > you check your own website? :) Smartass......:-) I posted that 4 days before the track was made public....and I didn't know about that one beforehand actually, or I may just have forgotten about it, quite possible :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> > > Joachim Trensz wrote: >> >> Hi Goy, >> >> what do you mean 'no Bathurst' - am I misunderstanding something, or >> don't you check your own website? :) > > Smartass......:-) > > I posted that 4 days before the track was made public....and I didn't > know about that one beforehand actually, or I may just have forgotten > about it, quite possible :-) >

Or maybe you just forgot you had already forgot it... dave henrieeeeeeeeeee

:-) "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > Smartass......:-)