rascar: dover

Well folks, I was looking forward to this race as I very rarely have the chance to race rascar. That's how it is with family and all, and I'd love to do a same type of series on weekdays, maybe around 20.00 CET so the kid's gone to bed :) Anyway, I was looking good & comfortable having qalled fourth and found I could keep pace nicely. Unfortunately I was hit on a restart by someone losing it in 2nd - a normal racing accident, and the domino effect of course also made sure I got a real thump from behind. After that my car felt like the gas was full of caffeine, even after repairs. Ultimately this led to uncontrollable entry oversteer which made me spin twice to bring out the yellows. Sorry about that! That's why I decided to retire as I was probably going to have more trouble trying to race my spoilerless VW beetle around that place. Looking fwd to racing with you guys again, hopefully soon! /Matt

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> Well folks, I was looking forward to this race as I very rarely have the > chance to race rascar. That's how it is with family and all, and I'd love to > do a same type of series on weekdays, maybe around 20.00 CET so the kid's > gone to bed :) > > Anyway, I was looking good & comfortable having qalled fourth and found I > could keep pace nicely. Unfortunately I was hit on a restart by someone > losing it in 2nd - a normal racing accident, and the domino effect of course > also made sure I got a real thump from behind. After that my car felt like > the gas was full of caffeine, even after repairs. Ultimately this led to > uncontrollable entry oversteer which made me spin twice to bring out the > yellows. Sorry about that! That's why I decided to retire as I was probably > going to have more trouble trying to race my spoilerless VW beetle around > that place. > > Looking fwd to racing with you guys again, hopefully soon! > > /Matt > > >

I couldn't make it because I was working on my watercooling project.

says... I couldn't make it because I was working on my watercooling project.

"Matt Knutsen" wrote... > <snip> Once you get loose at this place, especially without the ability to really drop the trackbar or change wedge it's really downhill from there. Like I hinted at in the preview message, I lost the balance too last Tuesday and ended up parking it. I was really nervous about this race, because, at the time, I couldn't keep the fast setup pointing in the right direction either at 70 degrees (68 actually, but surely it's not that sensitive?). But, in my practise before the race and in the race itself, I really gelled with the car and I was once again confident enough to attack the corners. Relatively speaking, of course, because, though I love driving this track, I'm actually not that fast here. Ended up having a good, solid run... got involved in your restart accident, but didn't take much damage and later had only one really scary moment. When I lapped Larry, he ducked straight back down behind me taking the air off my spoiler... first time I had it happen like that and I have to say it threw me a bit. Felt like someone lifted the rear of the car off the track! Lost a bunch of time to Kyle on the last set of pitstops, partly because he dropped in off T4 instead of a backstraight entry, which I thought was "de rigeur" for green flag stops in RASCAR. Anyhow, ran him back down and passed fairly easily for 2nd with one to go (Kyle was overdriving the entries, IMO, which, obviously, only makes things worse). Congrats to winner Neil Charlton and commisserations to Ginger, who disco'd twice in the closing stages, losing the lead and a bunch of laps. Hard luck mate, because your strategy was the right one (took my cues about pitting from you ;-)). Jan. =---

>sure I got a real thump from behind >Ultimately this led to >uncontrollable entry oversteer which made me spin I was the one behind you Matt and I got hit as well (how many were in this one?) after that I was way too loose so I just dropped out. Dan

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> >sure I got a real thump from behind > > >Ultimately this led to > >uncontrollable entry oversteer which made me spin > > I was the one behind you Matt and I got hit as well (how many were in this > one?) after that I was way too loose so I just dropped out. > Dan

I was somewhere in the middle of that mess. Hit in front and behind, lost motor, done. Tim

John Simmons >> > > I couldn't make it because I was working on my watercooling project. Hmmmm, the water up here in Washington State is pretty cooled already...why do you need to cool the water? LOL!!!! dave(who put a new superheatsink on and now the chip is running hotter than before)henrie

I had my first run with you guys and had fun for awhile. Qualified fifth and on the green flag, sat in the same spot for 7-8 laps, staying within view of the leaders. I got myself loose coming off of turn two, checking up enough to allow Bamadano (45) to get up on my tail. He tried a pass on the inside, I challenged back on the outside and he gave me plenty of room on the exit (thanks!) allowing me to keep position. We ran nose to tail for a couple of laps and I again got loose coming off of two, the car ran down the track a couple of car widths just as Bamadano was making a move. As I got control of the car I had run him down to the bottom (sorry Bam, certainly not on purpose) and then lifted and moved high to allow him to pass. By this time I had pinched him down and I know he wasn't aware that I had given room. It looked like he clipped the apron and the front end washed out, moving up the track. I was as high as I could go, left side on the groove, right side in the gray and he just barely tapped my left front with his right rear, he kept going and I took a hard right into the wall, careening down the track and getting a thump from Tpaulin, who also kept going. So that was me who brought out the first yellow. Left me very slow in the straights without a hood. I ended up being a moving road block and was trying to stay out of everyones way. I left around lap 69, several laps down. It was a shame as I was looking foward to racing Dover. I like the track and felt competitive. In practice I ran a lot of laps behind Tpaulin and was anticipating a long green run with him, as we seemed evenly matched. Oh well, thanks guys and sorry for those I caused a problem to. Mike 28-Shamrock

>By this time I had pinched him down and I know he wasn't aware that I had >given >room. It looked like he clipped the apron and the front end washed out, >moving >up the track. Well described Mike. I indeed was not aware that you had moved up and I was tryin too hard to stay low and got the apron. Sorry for the hit. Glad you joined us and hope to see ya next week. Dan

I was whacked in that restart pile up and suffered some damage, but it was later when I was pushed into the wall and my engine suffered damage that I decided to retire. I thought we were changing the damage level from realistic to moderate? David G Fisher "Matt Knutsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ed9e21c$[email hidden]... > Well folks, I was looking forward to this race as I very rarely have the > chance to race rascar. That's how it is with family and all, and I'd loveto > do a same type of series on weekdays, maybe around 20.00 CET so the kid's > gone to bed :) > > Anyway, I was looking good & comfortable having qalled fourth and found I > could keep pace nicely. Unfortunately I was hit on a restart by someone > losing it in 2nd - a normal racing accident, and the domino effect ofcourse > also made sure I got a real thump from behind. After that my car felt like > the gas was full of caffeine, even after repairs. Ultimately this led to > uncontrollable entry oversteer which made me spin twice to bring out the > yellows. Sorry about that! That's why I decided to retire as I wasprobably

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> going to have more trouble trying to race my spoilerless VW beetle around > that place. > > Looking fwd to racing with you guys again, hopefully soon! > > /Matt > >

Try de-wedging. I know, that makes it more loose, but I found that with both the default qual setup and the fast setup, if I de-wedged it enough to bring the RF weight down to within a pound or two of the RR weight, it felt pretty good and didn't seem to go away on me. With only this change and some extra tape I was able to drive almost flat out down to the apron on corner entry in qualifying, just like the real guys were. And I was able to run pretty steady mid 23's in an AI race this way, as long as I hit my markers. Don't know how that compares to you alien types but it seems to compare well with real life lap times and it put me solidly ahead of the AI, which had been auto-set to 98% from a previous race. Of course this is offline, so perhaps it might be too loose for online, but I found I could put the power down as long as I used the banking correctly on exit, I think that would still work online. YMMV. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ayoCa.31667$[email hidden]...

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> > Once you get loose at this place, especially without the ability to really > drop the trackbar or change wedge it's really downhill from there. Like I > hinted at in the preview message, I lost the balance too last Tuesday and > ended up parking it. > > I was really nervous about this race, because, at the time, I couldn't

keep > the fast setup pointing in the right direction either at 70 degrees (68 > actually, but surely it's not that sensitive?). But, in my practise before > the race and in the race itself, I really gelled with the car and I wasonce > again confident enough to attack the corners. Relatively speaking, of > course, because, though I love driving this track, I'm actually not that > fast here. >

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> Try de-wedging. I know, that makes it more loose, but > I found that with both the default qual setup and the > fast setup, if I de-wedged it enough to bring the RF > weight down to within a pound or two of the RR weight, > it felt pretty good and didn't seem to go away on me. > With only this change and some extra tape I was able > to drive almost flat out down to the apron on corner > entry in qualifying, just like the real guys were. > And I was able to run pretty steady mid 23's in an AI > race this way, as long as I hit my markers. Don't > know how that compares to you alien types but it seems > to compare well with real life lap times and it put me > solidly ahead of the AI, which had been auto-set to 98% > from a previous race. Of course this is offline, so > perhaps it might be too loose for online, but I found > I could put the power down as long as I used the banking > correctly on exit, I think that would still work online. > YMMV.

Excellent advice Hal, but RASCAR runs a fixed setup format. I also tried taking out wedge on Tuesday, but it just wasn't enough. My experiences in RASCAR suggest I just got rattled and lost my rythm on Tuesday. There's no amount of setup tweaking that can bring that back. Mid 23's would have put you in my brackett last Saturday (provided you can do 'm with an untweaked fast setup)... i.e. picking up the pieces while scrapping over last place. ;-) Jan. =---

We can't de-wedge - we're running fixed setup. In article <bbdu2j$8ir63$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Try de-wedging.

You can change wedge on a pit stop though, can't you? Same with the track bar. You can't lower the left side in the pits, but you could lower the right side which would tighten the car up a bit on the exit. IOW if you run an online test session and find some combination of wedge, track bar changes, and tire pressure changes that feels good, then in the race you make those changes on the first yellow and you're good for the rest of the race. Or does fixed setups prevent pit adjustments also? That would suck, that's an important part of racing IMO. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:glwCa.32263$[email hidden]...

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> > Excellent advice Hal, but RASCAR runs a fixed setup format. I also tried > taking out wedge on Tuesday, but it just wasn't enough. My experiences in > RASCAR suggest I just got rattled and lost my rythm on Tuesday. There's no > amount of setup tweaking that can bring that back. > > Mid 23's would have put you in my brackett last Saturday (provided you can > do 'm with an untweaked fast setup)... i.e. picking up the pieces while > scrapping over last place. ;-) > > Jan. > =--- > >

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> You can change wedge on a pit stop though, can't you? > Same with the track bar. You can't lower the left side > in the pits, but you could lower the right side which > would tighten the car up a bit on the exit. IOW if you > run an online test session and find some combination of > wedge, track bar changes, and tire pressure changes that > feels good, then in the race you make those changes on > the first yellow and you're good for the rest of the race. > Or does fixed setups prevent pit adjustments also? That > would suck, that's an important part of racing IMO.

Actually, no: you can't change any of that. The only options, in race (you can adjust steering ratio in the garage), are the amount of fuel, which tyres to change and whether or not to repair damage, IIRC. And yes, in some ways and instances that sucks, but in another it brings parity of some sort. Jan. =---

"Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I had my first run with you guys and had fun for awhile. Qualified fifthand > on the green flag, sat in the same spot for 7-8 laps, staying within viewof > the leaders. I got myself loose coming off of turn two, checking upenough to > allow Bamadano (45) to get up on my tail. > > He tried a pass on the inside, I challenged back on the outside and hegave me > plenty of room on the exit (thanks!) allowing me to keep position. We rannose > to tail for a couple of laps and I again got loose coming off of two, thecar > ran down the track a couple of car widths just as Bamadano was making amove. > > As I got control of the car I had run him down to the bottom (sorry Bam, > certainly not on purpose) and then lifted and moved high to allow him topass. > By this time I had pinched him down and I know he wasn't aware that I hadgiven > room. It looked like he clipped the apron and the front end washed out,moving > up the track. > I was as high as I could go, left side on the groove, right side in thegray > and he just barely tapped my left front with his right rear, he kept goingand > I took a hard right into the wall, careening down the track and getting athump > from Tpaulin, who also kept going. > > So that was me who brought out the first yellow. Left me very slow in the > straights without a hood. I ended up being a moving road block and wastrying > to stay out of everyones way. I left around lap 69, several laps down. > > It was a shame as I was looking foward to racing Dover. I like the trackand

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> felt competitive. In practice I ran a lot of laps behind Tpaulin and was > anticipating a long green run with him, as we seemed evenly matched. > > Oh well, thanks guys and sorry for those I caused a problem to. > > Mike > 28-Shamrock

Tried to miss you, sorry. Had light motor damage that was repairable. Not so fortunate on the restart. (that's racin) Was looking forward to it too. Maybe next week at Pocono. Tim

>> I couldn't make it because I was working on my watercooling project. > > Hmmmm, the water up here in Washington State is pretty cooled >already...why do you need to cool the water? LOL!!!! > >Maybe he needs a 'hot water cooler'...? George Carlin fans will get that one.<g> >dave(who put a new superheatsink on and now the chip is running hotter than >before)henrie That sucks... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>I thought we were changing the damage level from realistic to moderate? > Most people didn't want to change. The worry was that with lessened damage, people wouldn't be as cautious... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Well my day started pretty good - but ended kinda dull... I had done a few laps of practice, both online and offline, so I knew expect. I should point out that the setup felt much much looser online than it did offline - atleast for me. I qualed 3rd and kept posistion until Ginger and Larry pitted under [the first?] yellow - some 12 laps into the race. I wanted to stay upfront as long as possible as I knew restarts would be very dangerous here, so when they pitted I got the lead. Ginger *juuuuuuuust* beat me out of the pits after "the big one" and denoted me to second some 30-35 laps into the race. I opted to stay behind him and not pass for the lead as I wanted to ensure he would'nt get me on tire wear. Unfortunatly I sort of screwed up and Neil passed me for 2nd.... but what was even worse was that I dropped a little behind him and lost the draft - forcing me to rpush harder in the corners to minimize the loss I had down the straights. I was just a few seconds behind them all the time but I had to push like hell just to keep up and this ultimately killed my tires. I pitted under green together with Neil - hoping to close up on him during the stop and thus get back into the draft.. Sadly, that didnt happend as we exited with the same gap separating us... Ginger, who was still leading, then had a disco and Neil inherited the led - while I was just 2-3 seconds behind. I was trying to push a bit to close the gap, but that didnt amount to much so I was forced to just keep up as best I could. Then with about 15-18 laps to go I managed to put the damn thing in the wall after giving Ginger - who was 3-4 laps - room to get passed me. At that point I was so damn frustrated and bored that all I could say was "Thank you and good night!" [I should point out that this was not directed at anyone 'cept myself - in case Ginger or anyone took this as directed towards them]. The low number of starters, all the whining and most of all - so few cars at the end - made me feel so sad - that I just, more or less, gave up. I'm probably going to take a break from RASCAR now. The low turnout, bad start-time and lack of a patch to deal with the bugs and issues in NR2003, just makes me wonder why I should sit inside on a perfectly good evening. -- ed_

RASCAR runs fixed setup races. But with any setup I can't change that has this problem starting and restarts in a lower gear always helped me. I havent ran the Dover Fast setup, but the Bristol one and a few others come to mind. 2nd gear worked fine for those. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bbdu2j$8ir63$[email hidden]... > Try de-wedging. ...

"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3edb875d$[email hidden]... > I'm probably going to take a break from RASCAR now. The low turnout, bad > start-time and lack of a patch to deal with the bugs and issues in NR2003, > just makes me wonder why I should sit inside on a perfectly good evening. > > -- > ed_ I really think the start time is having an effect on turnout. I know I've missed a number of races already this season because of it, while last year I only missed one or two. David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" said: > > I really think the start time is having an effect on turnout. I know I've > missed a number of races already this season because of it, while lastyear > I only missed one or two. I agree. Even though I was the one asking for the earlier start time - I can now see that the new time cause problems - even for myself. If we only could race on a different weekday.... Sundays would be ideal - but then peole would problably be forced to miss the real stuff on TV or at the track. The way things are now it's only us europeans that have to forsake our saturday evenings (read: nights..) I would atleast be in favour of moving the race time back to 20:00CET - or 21:00 CET if possible - if I'm going to ruin my evening I might aswell try and get something out of the day... I've been planning/wishing upon setting up a seperate Euro-race during week nights - but I dunno how people would take to that.. ? -- ed_

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> > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3edb875d$[email hidden]... > > I'm probably going to take a break from RASCAR now. The low turnout, bad > > start-time and lack of a patch to deal with the bugs and issues in NR2003, > > just makes me wonder why I should sit inside on a perfectly good evening. > > > > -- > > ed_ > > I really think the start time is having an effect on turnout. I know I've > missed a number of races already this season because of it, while last year > I only missed one or two. > > David G Fisher > > >

It seems to me that the euro guys wanted it earlier in the day, and that's why we changed.

"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > I would atleast be in favour of moving the race time back to 20:00CET - or > 21:00 CET if possible - if I'm going to ruin my evening I might aswelltry > and get something out of the day... that would increase the chances of me joining, if the missus allows me to nerd on a saturday night that is :) > I've been planning/wishing upon setting up a seperate Euro-race duringweek > nights - but I dunno how people would take to that.. ? I'd be all for that. It's sooo much easier to sneak away on a regular evening than on a saturday. /Matt (also in Norway)

I was driving pretty much a cinder block at that point, so I'm suprised the air disturbance didn't flip you up in the air like a tornado :) Sorry bout that :) -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ayoCa.31667$[email hidden]...

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> "Matt Knutsen" wrote... > > <snip> > > Once you get loose at this place, especially without the ability to really > drop the trackbar or change wedge it's really downhill from there. Like I > hinted at in the preview message, I lost the balance too last Tuesday and > ended up parking it. > > I was really nervous about this race, because, at the time, I couldn't

keep > the fast setup pointing in the right direction either at 70 degrees (68 > actually, but surely it's not that sensitive?). But, in my practise before > the race and in the race itself, I really gelled with the car and I wasonce > again confident enough to attack the corners. Relatively speaking, of > course, because, though I love driving this track, I'm actually not that > fast here. > > Ended up having a good, solid run... got involved in your restartaccident, > but didn't take much damage and later had only one really scary moment.When > I lapped Larry, he ducked straight back down behind me taking the air offmy > spoiler... first time I had it happen like that and I have to say it threw > me a bit. Felt like someone lifted the rear of the car off the track! > Lost a bunch of time to Kyle on the last set of pitstops, partly becausehe > dropped in off T4 instead of a backstraight entry, which I thought was "de > rigeur" for green flag stops in RASCAR. Anyhow, ran him back down andpassed > fairly easily for 2nd with one to go (Kyle was overdriving the entries,IMO, > which, obviously, only makes things worse). > > Congrats to winner Neil Charlton and commisserations to Ginger, whodisco'd > twice in the closing stages, losing the lead and a bunch of laps. Hardluck

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> mate, because your strategy was the right one (took my cues about pitting > from you ;-)). > > Jan. > =--- > >

Not with fixed setups. Fixed means fixed. Only the steering ratio can be changed. -Larry "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bbe50a$8ic2b$[email hidden]... > You can change wedge on a pit stop though, can't you? Same with the track > bar. You can't lower the left side in the pits, but you could lower the > right side which would tighten the car up a bit on the exit. IOW if yourun > an online test session and find some combination of wedge, track bar > changes, and tire pressure changes that feels good, then in the race you > make those changes on the first yellow and you're good for the rest of the > race. Or does fixed setups prevent pit adjustments also? That wouldsuck,

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> that's an important part of racing IMO. > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:glwCa.32263$[email hidden]... > > > > Excellent advice Hal, but RASCAR runs a fixed setup format. I also tried > > taking out wedge on Tuesday, but it just wasn't enough. My experiences

in > > RASCAR suggest I just got rattled and lost my rythm on Tuesday. There'sno > > amount of setup tweaking that can bring that back. > > > > Mid 23's would have put you in my brackett last Saturday (provided youcan

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> > do 'm with an untweaked fast setup)... i.e. picking up the pieces while > > scrapping over last place. ;-) > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > > > >

Spinning cars do weird and frustrating things at this track. Especially if you are the one behind them :) You see the spin start, but at that point anything you would normally do to avoid the spinning car inevitably gets you into trouble. Spinning cars here seem to enter a period of suspended animation. Right in the middle of the damned track. Just when you think they are going to drift up in the spin, they hang in the middle. So then you start low, and then the spinning car hooks and goes low. No matter what direction you commit to, it seems to be wrong in the end. Believe me, I had lots of practice at it this race and I don't think I missed a single spinning car ! I hope my bad luck is out of the way. I was starting to feel like John there :) The last two races I put in a minimum of 10 hours practice each for, and had every bit as good a chance at winning as anyone else in the alien catagory. I just never got very far :( -Larry "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I had my first run with you guys and had fun for awhile. Qualified fifthand > on the green flag, sat in the same spot for 7-8 laps, staying within viewof > the leaders. I got myself loose coming off of turn two, checking upenough to > allow Bamadano (45) to get up on my tail. > > He tried a pass on the inside, I challenged back on the outside and hegave me > plenty of room on the exit (thanks!) allowing me to keep position. We rannose > to tail for a couple of laps and I again got loose coming off of two, thecar > ran down the track a couple of car widths just as Bamadano was making amove. > > As I got control of the car I had run him down to the bottom (sorry Bam, > certainly not on purpose) and then lifted and moved high to allow him topass. > By this time I had pinched him down and I know he wasn't aware that I hadgiven > room. It looked like he clipped the apron and the front end washed out,moving > up the track. > I was as high as I could go, left side on the groove, right side in thegray > and he just barely tapped my left front with his right rear, he kept goingand > I took a hard right into the wall, careening down the track and getting athump > from Tpaulin, who also kept going. > > So that was me who brought out the first yellow. Left me very slow in the > straights without a hood. I ended up being a moving road block and wastrying > to stay out of everyones way. I left around lap 69, several laps down. > > It was a shame as I was looking foward to racing Dover. I like the trackand

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> felt competitive. In practice I ran a lot of laps behind Tpaulin and was > anticipating a long green run with him, as we seemed evenly matched. > > Oh well, thanks guys and sorry for those I caused a problem to. > > Mike > 28-Shamrock

Honestly, I wish we would until we see what is fixed up in the patch... -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I was whacked in that restart pile up and suffered some damage, but it was > later when I was pushed into the wall and my engine suffered damage that I > decided to retire. > > I thought we were changing the damage level from realistic to moderate? > > David G Fisher > > "Matt Knutsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3ed9e21c$[email hidden]... > > Well folks, I was looking forward to this race as I very rarely have the > > chance to race rascar. That's how it is with family and all, and I'd

love > to > > do a same type of series on weekdays, maybe around 20.00 CET so thekid's > > gone to bed :) > > > > Anyway, I was looking good & comfortable having qalled fourth and foundI > > could keep pace nicely. Unfortunately I was hit on a restart by someone > > losing it in 2nd - a normal racing accident, and the domino effect of > course > > also made sure I got a real thump from behind. After that my car feltlike > > the gas was full of caffeine, even after repairs. Ultimately this led to > > uncontrollable entry oversteer which made me spin twice to bring out the > > yellows. Sorry about that! That's why I decided to retire as I was > probably > > going to have more trouble trying to race my spoilerless VW beetlearound

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> > that place. > > > > Looking fwd to racing with you guys again, hopefully soon! > > > > /Matt > > > > > >

Saturday is definitely the best day, but an adjustment in the time as proposed would probably help. -Larry "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3edbbb0a$[email hidden]... > "David G Fisher" said: > > > > > I really think the start time is having an effect on turnout. I knowI've > > missed a number of races already this season because of it, while last > year > > I only missed one or two. > > I agree. > Even though I was the one asking for the earlier start time - I can nowsee

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> that the new time cause problems - even for myself. If we only could race > on a different weekday.... Sundays would be ideal - but then peole would > problably be forced to miss the real stuff on TV or at the track. The way > things are now it's only us europeans that have to forsake our saturday > evenings (read: nights..) > > I would atleast be in favour of moving the race time back to 20:00CET - or > 21:00 CET if possible - if I'm going to ruin my evening I might aswell

try > and get something out of the day... > > I've been planning/wishing upon setting up a seperate Euro-race duringweek > nights - but I dunno how people would take to that.. ? > > -- > ed_ > >

Most of us work for a living and weekdays/nights are out :) -Larry "Matt Knutsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3edc4346$[email hidden]... > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > I would atleast bein

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> favour of moving the race time back to 20:00CET - or > > 21:00 CET if possible - if I'm going to ruin my evening I might aswell > try > > and get something out of the day... > > that would increase the chances of me joining, if the missus allows me to > nerd on a saturday night that is :) > > > I've been planning/wishing upon setting up a seperate Euro-race during > week > > nights - but I dunno how people would take to that.. ? > > I'd be all for that. It's sooo much easier to sneak away on a regular > evening than on a saturday. > > /Matt (also in Norway) > >

>No matter what direction you commit to, it seems to be wrong in the end. >Believe me, I had lots of practice at it this race and I don't think I >missed a single spinning car ! That's what made me drop out of the races for a while. I kept guessing wrong... :-( >I hope my bad luck is out of the way. I was starting to feel like John >there :) The last two races I put in a minimum of 10 hours practice each >for, and had every bit as good a chance at winning as anyone else in the >alien catagory. 10 hours of practice each? Maybe that's why I can't drive - I don't have that kind of time. Well that, and the fact I don't have any *talent*, either...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hey there guys, Well, at this point I don't know if I am less happy about spinning and busting up a bunch of cars or that I was so embarrased I just quit the race. I knew better than to do that, I was even thinking about not doing it as we came up to the green flag. It didn't take much, as soon as the tires broke traction I eased up and tried to recover but that wasn't going to happen. Before I knew it my car was upside down going (flipping) down the track. Hey, come to think of it, I sound like a professional pointy car driver, :) LOL. I felt like spinning on the first restart was pretty bad and bailed before damaging anyone elses chances. I am currently trying to just finish races with as few errors as possible, I would have to go back through this thread to be sure who but one of the late stages dropouts stated it was because so few cars were left. I think half the fun of racing is to have someone to race even if you do fall out of the lead pack and cannot win. I know for me it is more about the competition than actually winning, though that would be nice. ;-) I would like to see guys like Eldred and anyone else that enjoys this game to keep coming to the races and stay even after being damaged. I need someone to try and catch cause I need a lot more practice before I am going to challenge any of the really good drivers. Sorry Eldred. Don't mean to say your not good, just that you have stated your recent problems with wrecks and therefore not being competitive. I think it would even make the race more interesting for the leaders if there were actually some good lapped drivers out there for them to have to work/race around. I keep going back and forth whether or not to keep racing because I do not want to be a hinderence to the good drivers. On the other hand I cannot resist the competition against others in real time, knowing that *all* the other drivers are serious about completing the race and not in how much havoc they can cause. As to the current issues being discussed, I would say a 4pm est start time is better for me while also would probably create a situation where I would miss more of the events. Damage should be set to moderate untill they can fix the damage model to be more realistic. I get flipped constantly (does not happen often in real races) and still have a drivable car many times with little damage(also does not happen in real races). If this groups intent was to acrue points and award a winner at the end of the season I could see the point of realistic damage. For a bunch of guys/girls that just want to race each other in an almost realistic environment, I think moderate would make it more enjoyable for all. Damn, I talk too much....heh :) -- McWhom -----------------------------------------------------------------

"mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey there guys, > Well, at this point I don't know if I am less happy about spinningand > busting up a bunch of cars or that I was so embarrased I just quit therace. > I knew better than to do that, I was even thinking about not doing it aswe > came up to the green flag. It didn't take much, as soon as the tiresbroke > traction I eased up and tried to recover but that wasn't going to happen. > Before I knew it my car was upside down going (flipping) down the track. > Hey, come to think of it, I sound like a professional pointy car driver,:) > LOL. I felt like spinning on the first restart was pretty bad and bailed > before damaging anyone elses chances. > I am currently trying to just finish races with as few errors as > possible, I would have to go back through this thread to be sure who but > one of the late stages dropouts stated it was because so few cars wereleft. > I think half the fun of racing is to have someone to race even if you do > fall out of the lead pack and cannot win. I know for me it is more about > the competition than actually winning, though that would be nice. ;-) I > would like to see guys like Eldred and anyone else that enjoys this gameto > keep coming to the races and stay even after being damaged. I needsomeone > to try and catch cause I need a lot more practice before I am going to > challenge any of the really good drivers. Sorry Eldred. Don't mean tosay > your not good, just that you have stated your recent problems with wrecks > and therefore not being competitive. I think it would even make the race > more interesting for the leaders if there were actually some good lapped > drivers out there for them to have to work/race around. > I keep going back and forth whether or not to keep racing because I do > not want to be a hinderence to the good drivers. On the other hand Icannot > resist the competition against others in real time, knowing that *all* the > other drivers are serious about completing the race and not in how much > havoc they can cause. > > As to the current issues being discussed, I would say a 4pm est starttime > is better for me while also would probably create a situation where Iwould > miss more of the events. > Damage should be set to moderate untill they can fix the damage model tobe > more realistic. I get flipped constantly (does not happen often in real > races) and still have a drivable car many times with little damage(alsodoes > not happen in real races). If this groups intent was to acrue points and > award a winner at the end of the season I could see the point of realistic > damage. For a bunch of guys/girls that just want to race each other in an > almost realistic environment, I think moderate would make it moreenjoyable

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> for all. > > Damn, I talk too much....heh :) > > > -- > McWhom > -----------------------------------------------------------------

Don't worry about the spinning on the restart. If I remember correctly, the last couple of times we ran that track there were plenty of guys spinning and causing accidents on restarts. Slippery track. David G Fisher

Bah, fixed means broken! You know the other thing you guys could do, if nobody likes the fast setup, is get somebody to work up a better one in advance, and set that as the fixed setup. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rb3Da.2548$[email hidden]... > Not with fixed setups. > > Fixed means fixed. Only the steering ratio can be changed. > > -Larry >

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> "David G Fisher" said: > > > > > I really think the start time is having an effect on turnout. I know I've > > missed a number of races already this season because of it, while last > year > > I only missed one or two. > > I agree. > Even though I was the one asking for the earlier start time - I can now see > that the new time cause problems - even for myself. If we only could race > on a different weekday.... Sundays would be ideal - but then peole would > problably be forced to miss the real stuff on TV or at the track. The way > things are now it's only us europeans that have to forsake our saturday > evenings (read: nights..) > > I would atleast be in favour of moving the race time back to 20:00CET - or > 21:00 CET if possible - if I'm going to ruin my evening I might aswell try > and get something out of the day... > > I've been planning/wishing upon setting up a seperate Euro-race during week > nights - but I dunno how people would take to that.. ?

Depends on what day and time it will be. I thought moving the race up to 6 pm on saturdays would improve my attendance, but so far I haven't been able to do one race yet because something is always happening. And that's probably a good thing :) -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

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> "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > "David G Fisher" said: > > > > > > > > I really think the start time is having an effect on turnout. I know I've > > > missed a number of races already this season because of it, while last > > year > > > I only missed one or two. > > > > I agree. > > Even though I was the one asking for the earlier start time - I can now see > > that the new time cause problems - even for myself. If we only could race > > on a different weekday.... Sundays would be ideal - but then peole would > > problably be forced to miss the real stuff on TV or at the track. The way > > things are now it's only us europeans that have to forsake our saturday > > evenings (read: nights..) > > > > I would atleast be in favour of moving the race time back to 20:00CET - or > > 21:00 CET if possible - if I'm going to ruin my evening I might aswell try > > and get something out of the day... > > > > I've been planning/wishing upon setting up a seperate Euro-race during week > > nights - but I dunno how people would take to that.. ? > > Depends on what day and time it will be. > > I thought moving the race up to 6 pm on saturdays would improve my > attendance, but so far I haven't been able to do one race yet because > something is always happening. And that's probably a good thing :) > >

Setting the race for a weekday ain't gonna happen.

"Larry" said: > Most of us work for a living and weekdays/nights are out :) Our big problem is that we're trying to please too many people. There's a nine hour time-gap between us (CET vs. PST) and seeing that peolpe won't sacrifice their sunsdays we're left with two options... Race on saturdays or split the group into two "divisions"... One for Europe and one for America. -- ed_

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> "Larry" said: > > Most of us work for a living and weekdays/nights are out :) > > Our big problem is that we're trying to please too many people. > There's a nine hour time-gap between us (CET vs. PST) and seeing that peolpe > won't sacrifice their sunsdays we're left with two options... Race on > saturdays or split the group into two "divisions"... One for Europe and one > for America. > > -- > ed_ > > >

That won't work either. That would reduice the already slim attendance to almost nil for both races.

>Sorry Eldred. Don't mean to say >your not good, just that you have stated your recent problems with wrecks >and therefore not being competitive. I think it would even make the race >more interesting for the leaders if there were actually some good lapped >drivers out there for them to have to work/race around. No problem, Sean. At least in GPL, I can be competitive in my leagues. In N2k3, I'm not. The last two races I ran were Talladega(got in a wreck, damaged, top speed 140) and California(self-spun in T3, got nailed, damaged). So I decided to sit out a couple of races. As it happened, two league races conflicted with RASCAR, so I chose them instead. My COBRHA league runs at noon, so I'll miss those weeks in RASCAR anyway... I'll run at Pocono - it's my birthday, so maybe that will bring me some luck.<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I did it twice the last time :) That's why I start in third there now when running the fixed setup. -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hey there guys, > > Well, at this point I don't know if I am less happy about spinning > and > > busting up a bunch of cars or that I was so embarrased I just quit the > race. > > I knew better than to do that, I was even thinking about not doing it as > we > > came up to the green flag. It didn't take much, as soon as the tires > broke > > traction I eased up and tried to recover but that wasn't going to

happen. > > Before I knew it my car was upside down going (flipping) down the track. > > Hey, come to think of it, I sound like a professional pointy car driver, > :) > > LOL. I felt like spinning on the first restart was pretty bad andbailed > > before damaging anyone elses chances. > > I am currently trying to just finish races with as few errors as > > possible, I would have to go back through this thread to be sure whobut > > one of the late stages dropouts stated it was because so few cars were > left. > > I think half the fun of racing is to have someone to race even if you do > > fall out of the lead pack and cannot win. I know for me it is moreabout

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> > the competition than actually winning, though that would be nice. ;-) I > > would like to see guys like Eldred and anyone else that enjoys this game > to > > keep coming to the races and stay even after being damaged. I need > someone > > to try and catch cause I need a lot more practice before I am going to > > challenge any of the really good drivers. Sorry Eldred. Don't mean to > say > > your not good, just that you have stated your recent problems with

wrecks > > and therefore not being competitive. I think it would even make therace > > more interesting for the leaders if there were actually some good lapped > > drivers out there for them to have to work/race around. > > I keep going back and forth whether or not to keep racing because Ido > > not want to be a hinderence to the good drivers. On the other hand I > cannot > > resist the competition against others in real time, knowing that *all*the

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> > other drivers are serious about completing the race and not in how much > > havoc they can cause. > > > > As to the current issues being discussed, I would say a 4pm est start > time > > is better for me while also would probably create a situation where I > would > > miss more of the events. > > Damage should be set to moderate untill they can fix the damage model to > be > > more realistic. I get flipped constantly (does not happen often in real > > races) and still have a drivable car many times with little damage(also > does > > not happen in real races). If this groups intent was to acrue points and > > award a winner at the end of the season I could see the point of

realistic > > damage. For a bunch of guys/girls that just want to race each other inan

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> > almost realistic environment, I think moderate would make it more > enjoyable > > for all. > > > > Damn, I talk too much....heh :) > > > > > > -- > > McWhom > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Don't worry about the spinning on the restart. If I remember correctly,

the > last couple of times we ran that track there were plenty of guys spinning > and causing accidents on restarts. Slippery track. > > David G Fisher > >