Indy Demo Opinion

Seems pretty damn excellent to me. Graphics are nice and smooth. Physics seem very realistic. I made sure to have my wheel set up correctly, and I'm really impressed with how it felt. FF, tespecially the feel of bumbs in the track, and damage are excellent as well. Had some really intense racing with the AI too. Racing at those speeds with the AI car right next to you was fantastic. Not sure what some of you are pissing about to be honest. For a demo of a product at only 70% completion, I was extremely impressed. N2003 seems like a bore in comparison. If it had N2003's net code, I'd forget about N2003 alltogether until a modern F1 mod come out for it (fantasy I'm guessing). David G Fisher

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > Seems pretty damn excellent to me. Graphics are nice and smooth. Physics > seem very realistic. LOL. Go back to JPM trolling on rasf1, David. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Seems pretty damn excellent to me. Graphics are nice and smooth. Physics > > seem very realistic. > > LOL. > > Go back to JPM trolling on rasf1, David.

I second that.

Find those hundreds of tons of bio/chemical weapons yet Nick? How about that nuke program? David G Fisher "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bcarts$h4kqa$[email hidden]... > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7x5Ga.13144$[email hidden]... > > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Seems pretty damn excellent to me. Graphics are nice and smooth.Physics

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> > > seem very realistic. > > > > LOL. > > > > Go back to JPM trolling on rasf1, David. > > I second that. > >

So far it seems like MS Cart Precision Racing all over again. Salvie "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7x5Ga.13144$[email hidden]...

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> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Seems pretty damn excellent to me. Graphics are nice and smooth. Physics > > seem very realistic. > > > > LOL. > > > Go back to JPM trolling on rasf1, David. > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

"Salvie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > So far it seems like MS Cart Precision Racing all over again. Funny you should say that; it's the exact same thing I was thinking when I tried it out. Actually, It wasn't as bad as I expected it to be; it just seemed like something from out of the distant past. Though some (DGF... ;-)) don't seem to think so, the genre moved beyond this level years ago. Still, it stayed on my HD for an hour or so, which is longer than the last Ubisoft F1 demo!

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>"Salvie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> So far it seems like MS Cart Precision Racing all over again. > >Funny you should say that; it's the exact same thing I was thinking when I >tried it out. Actually, It wasn't as bad as I expected it to be; it just >seemed like something from out of the distant past. Though some (DGF... >;-)) don't seem to think so, the genre moved beyond this level years ago. >Still, it stayed on my HD for an hour or so, which is longer than the last >Ubisoft F1 demo! >

Yeah, gots to agree there. I've been sitting on the sidelines trying to keep an open mind and figuring that no matter how bad it is, I'd still pick it up since it's better than nothing. I stand corrected.

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>Seems pretty damn excellent to me. Graphics are nice and smooth. Physics >seem very realistic. I made sure to have my wheel set up correctly, and I'm >really impressed with how it felt. FF, tespecially the feel of bumbs in the >track, and damage are excellent as well. > >Had some really intense racing with the AI too. Racing at those speeds with >the AI car right next to you was fantastic. > >Not sure what some of you are pissing about to be honest. For a demo of a >product at only 70% completion, I was extremely impressed. N2003 seems like >a bore in comparison. If it had N2003's net code, I'd forget about N2003 >alltogether until a modern F1 mod come out for it (fantasy I'm guessing).

I should have *known* you'd take the opposite side from everyone else...<g> But I can't honestly agree or disagree - I haven't tried it yet. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chilicutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Seems pretty damn excellent to me. Graphics are nice and smooth. Physics > >seem very realistic. I made sure to have my wheel set up correctly, andI'm > >really impressed with how it felt. FF, tespecially the feel of bumbs inthe > >track, and damage are excellent as well. > > > >Had some really intense racing with the AI too. Racing at those speedswith > >the AI car right next to you was fantastic. > > > >Not sure what some of you are pissing about to be honest. For a demo of a > >product at only 70% completion, I was extremely impressed. N2003 seemslike > >a bore in comparison. If it had N2003's net code, I'd forget about N2003 > >alltogether until a modern F1 mod come out for it (fantasy I'm guessing). > > I should have *known* you'd take the opposite side from everyoneelse...<g> > But I can't honestly agree or disagree - I haven't tried it yet. > > Eldred They don't really say anything except it's not any good. None of them can honestly say that: N2003 has better looking graphics N2003 runs faster with a 23 car field. N2003 has a better damage model. N2003 has a better track surface (smooth as glass still). That you CAN'T race nose to tail and side by side with the AI at 220+mph. If they say that I can't, then I'll gladly post a replay to prove them wrong. Who's going to embarrass themselves first and try to answer "N2003" to any of those questions? So what's so controverial about what I said? Of course when I said the cars in GPL were sliding way too much, that was controversial too (until about a year ago). Apparently they can't be bothered to, or are too stupid, to get their wheel set up correctly and then experiment with the various controller options (also, turn off traction control) until they get the car to feel and handle smoothly and realistically. Standard r.a.s. stuff. If they can't be bothered or are too dumb, then they should just say, "I'm too lazy or dumb to set up my wheel correctly, so I have no opinion on the sim". If the game won't let them set up their wheel correctly because it's a demo that represents the product at just 70% completion, then they should just say, "The demo won't let me set up my wheel correctly, so I can't have an opinion on the sim". Unfortunately, they'd rather continue the years long r.a.s. tradition of putting the need to give a negative opinion ahead of all else. Yes, the car does feel excellent once you find the right settings. It behaves like a real car does. N2003 sure as hell does NOT feel make me feel like I'm driving a real car any more than this sim does. Maybe I'm just not blown away with N2003 (but still fell it's excellent). Without practicing N2003 at Pocono for even one minute since last season's second RASCAR race, I qualified 4th last weekend after our practice session. It felt like a game to me, not like I was in a real car. They both feel like games to me. One is definitely more fun though. David G Fisher

Well, I've just tried it and - GASP! SHOCK! HORROR! - I don't mind it at all. In fact, I left it after several 10-lap sessions wishing to see more of it (and wishing I could use manual gear-changing, but I guess that's not available in the demo). But then, I'm not as anal as some about physics and multiplayer capability and in-game music - which can always be turned off. My criteria is based around the age-old question: "Am I having fun"? If I answer "Yes", then that'll do me. Bruce.

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > So what's so controverial about what I said? Of course when I said the cars > in GPL were sliding way too much, that was controversial too (until about a > year ago). "We need to make sure you're not a gloater" "'Can we have a gloat', they say" > Unfortunately, they'd rather continue the years long r.a.s. tradition of > putting the need to give a negative opinion ahead of all else. Kinda like your "years long r.a.s. tradition of putting the need to give a negative opinion" of r.a.s. regulars - OF WHICH YOU ARE ONE. You're so frickin predictable. You get me to bite because that's the kind of guy I am - my problem. I just can't stand condescending, arrogant folks who feel that their "opinion" is more valuable than their peers. And that is, IMO, what you are. > Yes, the car > does feel excellent once you find the right settings. It behaves like a real > car does. N2003 sure as hell does NOT feel make me feel like I'm driving a > real car any more than this sim does. Blah, blah, blah. When you've driven an IRL car and a Cup car then I'll take what you say seriously. All sims require a "suspension of disbelief", and if N2003 does not make you feel like you're driving a car, the criteria that you require for this to happen is obviously different from many (most?) sim-heads. Therefore your (minority?) verdicts will be incompatible with a lot of people here. And that is exactly the case as we see time and again. You're not any more clever or canny because what works for most doesn't for you - you're just different. And it manifests itself in the worst possible way. > Without practicing N2003 at Pocono > for even one minute since last season's second RASCAR race, I qualified 4th > last weekend after our practice session. [sarcasm] I take it all back. You're my hero. How do you do it? Can you teach me o great one? Pleeease? [/sarcasm] > It felt like a game to me, not like > I was in a real car. They both feel like games to me. One is definitely more > fun though. Well there's a breakthrough! Hey! Cheapseats! These things ARE games!!! Mark

"David G Fisher" wrote... > <snip> > They don't really say anything except it's not > any good. So why don't you challenge those people directly instead of trolling the group or people who do try to give an honest account from their point of view? > None of them can honestly say that: > > N2003 has better looking graphics NR2003 looks a lot better in 800x600x32 than does this game, IMO. I've got a gut feeling the "poly count" for the track is quite a bit higher as well. But one can't compare a full game against something that's 70% completed, so that's like saying a car looks better fully assembled. > N2003 runs faster with a 23 car field. I've not found how to display framerate in the demo, but, on that resolution, NR2003 runs smoothly (40fps+) with 43 cars on track, 24 visible and everything on but the in-cockpit shadows. > N2003 has a better damage model. You should have said "more realistic"... <g> I consider the NR2003 damage model *better* because a good knock will make the handling go away a lot more than it does in this demo. I should have knocked off the RF corner in T3 on some occasions, but instead there appeared some wheel wobble and the car picked up a slight push. > N2003 has a better track surface (smooth as glass still). Hmmm... hard to tell really, but NR2003 communicates what surface there is better to the driver. > That you CAN'T race nose to tail and side by > side with the AI at 220+mph. If they say that > I can't, then I'll gladly post a replay to > prove them wrong. Like I said... can't comment. > Who's going to embarrass themselves first and try > to answer "N2003" to any of those questions? The only embarrasment is to have replied to a troll post. > So what's so controverial about what I said? Of > course when I said the cars in GPL were sliding > way too much, that was controversial too (until > about a year ago). Hehehe... you can't let that go, can you? -In the context of the time, that was not a big issue. Nowadays it's a different story. Let's not forget it was GPL which allowed our tastes in simming to be refined, though. > Apparently they can't be bothered to, or are too > stupid, to get their wheel set up correctly and > then experiment with the various controller options > (also, turn off traction control) until they get > the car to feel and handle smoothly and > realistically. Ok, you have a point there... but, again, why don't you challenge *them* directly. It's only two or three guys... > Standard r.a.s. stuff. If they can't be bothered > or are too dumb, then they should just say, "I'm > too lazy or dumb to set up my wheel correctly, so > I have no opinion on the sim". Labouring the point a little, aren't we? > If the game won't let them set up their wheel > correctly because it's a demo that represents > the product at just 70% completion, then they > should just say, "The demo won't let me set > up my wheel correctly, so I can't have an > opinion on the sim". David, most RAS posters are actually smart enough to spot these *elements* a mile away. No need to go on and on and on and.... <g>

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> Unfortunately, they'd rather continue the years > long r.a.s. tradition of putting the need to > give a negative opinion ahead of all else. > Yes, the car does feel excellent once you find > the right settings. It behaves like a real > car does. N2003 sure as hell does NOT feel make > me feel like I'm driving a real car any more > than this sim does. Maybe I'm just not blown > away with N2003 (but still fell it's excellent). > Without practicing N2003 at Pocono for even one > minute since last season's second RASCAR race, > I qualified 4th last weekend after our practice > session. It felt like a game to me, not like > I was in a real car. They both feel like games > to me. One is definitely more fun though.

Amazing how fluently and easily you'r able to contradict yourself, David. <VBG> Seriously, you'd make a decent simmer if you applied yourself a little more, but if you're happy to stay a gamer, then I'm happy too. Jan. =---

David G Fisher wrote: > > N2003 has a better track surface (smooth as glass still). > I have yet to buy the title, but from the demo I can say that Talladega spooked me the first time I raced there. Those bumps on the front stretch certainly moves the chassis around. That aspect wasn't smooth as glass on my PC. :) -Will

"Jan Verschueren" wrote... > <snip> BTW: where'd you finish at Pocono? Jan. =---

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Find those hundreds of tons of bio/chemical weapons yet Nick? How aboutthat > nuke program? Did Ralfie outclass JPM at Monaco?

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:10:18 -0400, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Seems pretty damn excellent to me. Graphics are nice and smooth. Physics >seem very realistic. I made sure to have my wheel set up correctly, and I'm >really impressed with how it felt. FF, tespecially the feel of bumbs in the >track, and damage are excellent as well. > >Had some really intense racing with the AI too. Racing at those speeds with >the AI car right next to you was fantastic.

It's not half bad, better than I expected (and I hate the IRL). Default setup is bollocks, but if you get the car sticking flat out all the way around you can have some nice dices with the AI. Dunno if I'm impressed to the point of getting the PC version, but I'll certainly pick the xbox one up when it's out. Jason

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> "Salvie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > So far it seems like MS Cart Precision Racing all over again. > > Funny you should say that; it's the exact same thing I was thinking when I > tried it out. Actually, It wasn't as bad as I expected it to be; it just > seemed like something from out of the distant past. Though some (DGF... > ;-)) don't seem to think so, the genre moved beyond this level years ago. > Still, it stayed on my HD for an hour or so, which is longer than the last > Ubisoft F1 demo!

I'm just waiting for somebody to make the (hopefully!) inevitable comparison to the All-American Open Wheel Racing (AAOWR) mod for NASCAR Heat . . . Did anybody else find it ironic that virtually all of the independent, third-party Heat mods have included Windows-style self-installers for several years now, yet Codemasters and Brain In A Jar saw fit to release a demo for their upcoming RETAIL product in a common zipfile. :-/ -- JCB

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> I'm just waiting for somebody to make the (hopefully!) inevitable > comparison to the All-American Open Wheel Racing (AAOWR) mod for > NASCAR Heat . . . > > Did anybody else find it ironic that virtually all of the independent, > third-party Heat mods have included Windows-style self-installers for > several years now, yet Codemasters and Brain In A Jar saw fit to > release a demo for their upcoming RETAIL product in a common zipfile. >

Howdy JB; long time... For some reason ;-) I have no doubt the wonderfully-named AAOWR mod will put it to shame. Almost as many letters as the innately superior BPCWSPBF! But being Heat-based, of course no one will dare admit it. SB (harboring fond memories of hanging onto a trimmed-out-for qualifying champcar at Fontana way back when. Two laps flat were all you could get out of it before the tires went off enough to make you lift. Lovely...)

Can't really comment............I haven't passed anything! :) Bruce. "Aaron Markham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RZlGa.4135$[email hidden]... > Is anybody experiancing an unreal push when passing???

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>Apparently they can't be bothered to, or are too stupid, to get their wheel >set up correctly and then experiment with the various controller options >(also, turn off traction control) until they get the car to feel and handle >smoothly and realistically. Standard r.a.s. stuff. If they can't be bothered >or are too dumb, then they should just say, "I'm too lazy or dumb to set up >my wheel correctly, so I have no opinion on the sim". > >If the game won't let them set up their wheel correctly because it's a demo >that represents the product at just 70% completion, then they should just >say, "The demo won't let me set up my wheel correctly, so I can't have an >opinion on the sim". >

Controller setup is a black art. Some games make it easy to do, some make it as agonizing as pulling teeth. If one game doesn't work with the settings that every other game you own DOES work with, which would logically get the blame? Besides, you might not even KNOW there's a problem with a setting...especially if that setting works with everything ELSE... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <3eea3ec0$[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> writes: >Can't really comment............I haven't passed anything! :) > >Bruce. I hear that's what happens when you get old... Try some prune juice.<g> Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

HAAAA! :) :) I left myself wide-open for that retort, didn't I, Eldred?! Bruce. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <3eea3ec0$[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Can't really comment............I haven't passed anything! :) > > > >Bruce. > > I hear that's what happens when you get old... Try some prune juice.<g> > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on

my > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.