The Boys at Simbin are up to something BIG !!!

This was just posted on the Sim Bin front page Looks Interesting !! --------------------------------------------- Hello fans of SBDT and GT Racing 2002. There have been a lot of questions about the future of SBDT and our upcoming releases, and we are going to address those questions, and many of the rumors circulating in our sim racing community. Currently our team is working diligently on a new game that will truly blow you away, and make GT Racing 2002 look like just another mod. We have a slightly changed lineup and our new members are already producing brilliant work. SBDT is better than ever, and burning with a new flame. The attention to detail and realism that you've grown to love and expect from SBDT has only increased. We have been experimenting with new technologies to bring us all one step closer to that racing nirvana we are all searching for, so expect to see some new things that you haven't seen in any racing game to date. We've also taken to heart many suggestions from the community, along with the physics debate that has been going on in this community well before our time. This game will be bigger and better than ever. More detailed, more exacting, more accurate physics, better multiplayer (thanks to the improvements to the engine), and a bigger lineup. While we cannot release the exact details of what we are working on at the moment, an official statement will be issued in a few days, so stay tuned. Trust us, your eyes will bleed with pleasure. It will definitely be worth the wait. Regards, Ian Bell - MD, VP Public Relations Eric Boosman - VP Product Development Stephen Baystead - VP Corporate Development

Sweet :-) Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com My car sim http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

Quoted text (14 lines)

> > While we cannot release the exact details of what we are working on at > the moment, an official statement will be issued in a few days, so > stay tuned. Trust us, your eyes will bleed with pleasure. It will > definitely be worth the wait. > > > Regards, > > Ian Bell - MD, VP Public Relations > Eric Boosman - VP Product Development > Stephen Baystead - VP Corporate Development > >

So your finally going to tackle the Holy Grail of computer Gaming...your are going to make a better Solitaire game???????? dave henrie (this will teach them for keeping me outta the loop! ) LOL

Wow.. After playing GTR2002 more than any other racing game ever, I really think these guys should get hired by EA or someone. GTR2002 could have easily been an expansion pack, or separate game from EA and it would have done great, even if not in terms of sales. Im sure it still would have been profitable for EA to buy GTR2002 or have funded it's development. Obviously I can't wait to see what it's going to be.. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7dbIa.37422$[email hidden]... > This was just posted on the Sim Bin front page Looks Interesting !! > --------------------------------------------- > > Hello fans of SBDT and GT Racing 2002. > > There have been a lot of questions about the future of SBDT and ourupcoming > releases, and we are going to address those questions, and many of the > rumors circulating in our sim racing community. > > Currently our team is working diligently on a new game that will trulyblow > you away, and make GT Racing 2002 look like just another mod. We have a > slightly changed lineup and our new members are already producingbrilliant > work. SBDT is better than ever, and burning with a new flame. Theattention > to detail and realism that you've grown to love and expect from SBDT has > only increased. > > We have been experimenting with new technologies to bring us all one step > closer to that racing nirvana we are all searching for, so expect to see > some new things that you haven't seen in any racing game to date. We'vealso > taken to heart many suggestions from the community, along with the physics > debate that has been going on in this community well before our time. This > game will be bigger and better than ever. More detailed, more exacting,more

Quoted text (16 lines)

> accurate physics, better multiplayer (thanks to the improvements to the > engine), and a bigger lineup. > > While we cannot release the exact details of what we are working on at the > moment, an official statement will be issued in a few days, so stay tuned. > Trust us, your eyes will bleed with pleasure. It will definitely be worth > the wait. > > > Regards, > > Ian Bell - MD, VP Public Relations > Eric Boosman - VP Product Development > Stephen Baystead - VP Corporate Development > >

Quoted text (26 lines)

>From: Dave Henrie [email hidden] >Date: 6/19/03 12:17 AM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > >> >> While we cannot release the exact details of what we are working on at >> the moment, an official statement will be issued in a few days, so >> stay tuned. Trust us, your eyes will bleed with pleasure. It will >> definitely be worth the wait. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Ian Bell - MD, VP Public Relations >> Eric Boosman - VP Product Development >> Stephen Baystead - VP Corporate Development >> >> > So your finally going to tackle the Holy Grail of computer Gaming...your >are going to make a better Solitaire game???????? > >dave henrie >(this will teach them for keeping me outta the loop! ) LOL > >

Oh, dang.. I thought my new Solitare version would be the first. Beat to the punch yet again ;-) Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com My car sim http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

"Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7dbIa.37422$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (11 lines)

> While we cannot release the exact details of what we are working on at the > moment, an official statement will be issued in a few days, so stay tuned. > Trust us, your eyes will bleed with pleasure. It will definitely be worth > the wait. > > > Regards, > > Ian Bell - MD, VP Public Relations > Eric Boosman - VP Product Development > Stephen Baystead - VP Corporate Development

Looks like I may have to make room for the wheel and pedals again! - Dave Cook

Dave Cook wrote:

Quoted text (18 lines)

> "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7dbIa.37422$[email hidden]... > >>While we cannot release the exact details of what we are working on at the >>moment, an official statement will be issued in a few days, so stay tuned. >>Trust us, your eyes will bleed with pleasure. It will definitely be worth >>the wait. >> >> >>Regards, >> >>Ian Bell - MD, VP Public Relations >>Eric Boosman - VP Product Development >>Stephen Baystead - VP Corporate Development > > > Looks like I may have to make room for the wheel and pedals again! > > - Dave Cook

I hope I am not reading to much into this, or dreaming too much might be even a better statement. But let's hope this new "thing" is going to use the NR2k3 engine. Afterall ProjectWildFire was built to help produce all of those oval track mod for the Papy final masterpiece, if I was going to put together a team to build something for the road course guys, well Simbin would be where I would start. btg

Racing Legends? Warlock! Doug Hook wrote:

Quoted text (35 lines)

> This was just posted on the Sim Bin front page Looks Interesting !! > --------------------------------------------- > > Hello fans of SBDT and GT Racing 2002. > > There have been a lot of questions about the future of SBDT and our upcoming > releases, and we are going to address those questions, and many of the > rumors circulating in our sim racing community. > > Currently our team is working diligently on a new game that will truly blow > you away, and make GT Racing 2002 look like just another mod. We have a > slightly changed lineup and our new members are already producing brilliant > work. SBDT is better than ever, and burning with a new flame. The attention > to detail and realism that you've grown to love and expect from SBDT has > only increased. > > We have been experimenting with new technologies to bring us all one step > closer to that racing nirvana we are all searching for, so expect to see > some new things that you haven't seen in any racing game to date. We've also > taken to heart many suggestions from the community, along with the physics > debate that has been going on in this community well before our time. This > game will be bigger and better than ever. More detailed, more exacting, more > accurate physics, better multiplayer (thanks to the improvements to the > engine), and a bigger lineup. > > While we cannot release the exact details of what we are working on at the > moment, an official statement will be issued in a few days, so stay tuned. > Trust us, your eyes will bleed with pleasure. It will definitely be worth > the wait. > > Regards, > > Ian Bell - MD, VP Public Relations > Eric Boosman - VP Product Development > Stephen Baystead - VP Corporate Development

> I hope I am not reading to much into this, or dreaming too much might be > even a better statement. But let's hope this new "thing" is going to use > the NR2k3 engine. I doubt it. They generally seem to prefer to use the engine with the best physics.

"Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bcsh3n$ma9sa$[email hidden]... > > I hope I am not reading to much into this, or dreaming too much might be > > even a better statement. But let's hope this new "thing" is going to use > > the NR2k3 engine. > > I doubt it. They generally seem to prefer to use the engine with the best > physics. Thats arse backwards then. N2k3 has a much better physics engine than F12k2. Anyone suggesting otherwise is a) stupid b) a liar However - their latest announcement suggests they'll be using ISI's latest engine ( thus f12k2 ) Doug

On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:03:22 +0100, "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (15 lines)

> >"Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:bcsh3n$ma9sa$[email hidden]... >> > I hope I am not reading to much into this, or dreaming too much might be >> > even a better statement. But let's hope this new "thing" is going to use >> > the NR2k3 engine. >> >> I doubt it. They generally seem to prefer to use the engine with the best >> physics. > >Thats arse backwards then. N2k3 has a much better physics engine than F12k2. >Anyone suggesting otherwise is a) stupid b) a liar > >However - their latest announcement suggests they'll be using ISI's latest >engine ( thus f12k2 )

Hmmm, after reading the F1C 99-02 interview I'll put my money on a MOD for this title. It seems very MOD friendly. It looks like it'll have great MP, AND an horn button....oh my, all we need now is a Monza T1.... Remco, who wonders how many drivers will jump the start when some joker uses his horn before the flag falls....

"Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� news:bcsjbp$mf4ha$[email hidden]... > Thats arse backwards then. N2k3 has a much better physics engine thanF12k2. well, N2k3 surely has better feel and F12k2 has way too much highspeed grip, but... Papy's physics use pre-determined curves, variables and functions for suspension modeling, but ISI's engine models them in real time. Papy's engine really isn't very comfortable for modders; a lot of research has to ne done to calculate those functions. With ISI engine, you can better and more easily simulate different kinds of cars by inputting right suspension configurations and geometries. The information / concept might not be correct, but this is how I have understood it from reading various interviews and forums. -- Mika Takala

Mika Takala wrote:

Quoted text (19 lines)

> > "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� > news:bcsjbp$mf4ha$[email hidden]... > > > Thats arse backwards then. N2k3 has a much better physics engine than > F12k2. > > well, N2k3 surely has better feel and F12k2 has way too much highspeed grip, > but... > > Papy's physics use pre-determined curves, variables and functions for > suspension modeling, but ISI's engine models them in real time. Papy's > engine really isn't very comfortable for modders; a lot of research has to > ne done to calculate those functions. With ISI engine, you can better and > more easily simulate different kinds of cars by inputting right suspension > configurations and geometries. > > The information / concept might not be correct, but this is how I have > understood it from reading various interviews and forums.

From what I've seen so far, the Papy engine responds very well to modifications, although how far it can be taken might be a different matter, the hard part it seems is to figure out what is what as Papy has not been very forthcoming with info, but there are people who are working on it :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <[email hidden]>, J. Todd Wasson <[email hidden]> writes

Quoted text (32 lines)

>>From: Dave Henrie [email hidden] >>Date: 6/19/03 12:17 AM Central Daylight Time >>Message-id: <[email hidden]> >> >> >>> >>> While we cannot release the exact details of what we are working on at >>> the moment, an official statement will be issued in a few days, so >>> stay tuned. Trust us, your eyes will bleed with pleasure. It will >>> definitely be worth the wait. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Ian Bell - MD, VP Public Relations >>> Eric Boosman - VP Product Development >>> Stephen Baystead - VP Corporate Development >>> >>> >> So your finally going to tackle the Holy Grail of computer Gaming...your >>are going to make a better Solitaire game???????? >> >>dave henrie >>(this will teach them for keeping me outta the loop! ) LOL >> >> > > >Oh, dang.. I thought my new Solitare version would be the first. Beat to the >punch yet again ;-) > >

Well, I'd have only been interested in this if the physics have been done right. Oh, and as long as its got decent multiplayer support. Hate to be moving my card on to pile 3 to find that I got that I got some bad latency and my card ploughed through pile 3, taking out piles 4, 5 and 6 along the way. Cards everywhere. It'd be very messy. -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

Quoted text (40 lines)

>>>From: Dave Henrie [email hidden] >>>Date: 6/19/03 12:17 AM Central Daylight Time >>>Message-id: <[email hidden]> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> While we cannot release the exact details of what we are working on at >>>> the moment, an official statement will be issued in a few days, so >>>> stay tuned. Trust us, your eyes will bleed with pleasure. It will >>>> definitely be worth the wait. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Ian Bell - MD, VP Public Relations >>>> Eric Boosman - VP Product Development >>>> Stephen Baystead - VP Corporate Development >>>> >>>> >>> So your finally going to tackle the Holy Grail of computer Gaming...your >>>are going to make a better Solitaire game???????? >>> >>>dave henrie >>>(this will teach them for keeping me outta the loop! ) LOL >>> >>> >> >> >>Oh, dang.. I thought my new Solitare version would be the first. Beat to >the >>punch yet again ;-) >> >> > >Well, I'd have only been interested in this if the physics have been >done right. Oh, and as long as its got decent multiplayer support. >Hate to be moving my card on to pile 3 to find that I got that I got >some bad latency and my card ploughed through pile 3, taking out piles >4, 5 and 6 along the way. Cards everywhere. It'd be very messy. >--

lol Maybe an arcade version would be ok. Might have to dumb down the physics a little bit to get good multiplayer ;-)

Quoted text (11 lines)

>Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) >Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email >If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) >GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77 > > > > > > >

Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com My car sim http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

> However - their latest announcement suggests they'll be using ISI's latest > engine ( thus f12k2 ) Ya think.....................................?.............sigh !

btgoss

Quoted text (10 lines)

>> - Dave Cook > I hope I am not reading to much into this, or dreaming too much might > be even a better statement. But let's hope this new "thing" is going > to use the NR2k3 engine. Afterall ProjectWildFire was built to help > produce all of those oval track mod for the Papy final masterpiece, if > I was going to put together a team to build something for the road > course guys, well Simbin would be where I would start. > > btg >

While Simbin does indeed have a wealth of roadcouse modding experience..they have ZERO knowledge of the Papyrus systems. It would take them probably a year just to get comfortable with the way Papyrus stuff works and then another year to get something out the door. Can you afford to wait two years for a first time effort??? :) dave henrie

"Jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:N0vIa.1098$[email hidden]:

Quoted text (8 lines)

>> However - their latest announcement suggests they'll be using ISI's >> latest engine ( thus f12k2 ) > > > Ya think.....................................?.............sigh ! > > >

Definately NOT F1 2k2....Any mod/sim comming out after this summer will almost assurdedly be using F1 C. dh

Dave Henrie wrote: > Can you afford to wait two years for a first time effort??? :) May we refer you to the West Racing board? ;-) -jde

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > >From what I've seen so far, Aussie V8s?? the Papy engine responds very well to > modifications, although how far it can be taken might be a different > matter, Aussie V8s also? > the hard part it seems is to figure out what is what as Papy has > not been very forthcoming with info, but there are people who are > working on it :-) Hmm...Auss... I think I might be reading something from Goy's enthusiasm here! /matt

Matt Knutsen wrote: > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > >>From what I've seen so far, > > Aussie V8s?? There's a rendering of a Falcon 3do (along with a couple T/A cars and NL era Torino) at The Pits' forums. -jde

Matt Knutsen wrote: > > Hmm...Auss... > I think I might be reading something from Goy's enthusiasm here! Since I have very little (read "no") talent in this area myself, I'm fortunate enough to be associated with some of the most talented people there is in this area, it was only a couple of hours ago I saw the latest renderer of the Commodore :-), it wasn't a Castrol Perkins Commodore, but there you go :-) The next TPTCC patch ought to be something special if we can piece it all together :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"J.D. Ellis" wrote:

Quoted text (9 lines)

> > Matt Knutsen wrote: > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > > >>From what I've seen so far, > > > > Aussie V8s?? > > There's a rendering of a Falcon 3do (along with a couple T/A cars and NL > era Torino) at The Pits' forums.

:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

West Brother's?...hasnt someone shot that old horse yet???? A "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ef30b47$0$4245$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (8 lines)

> Dave Henrie wrote: > > > Can you afford to wait two years for a first time effort??? :) > > May we refer you to the West Racing board? ;-) > > -jde >

Quoted text (7 lines)

>> I think I might be reading something from Goy's enthusiasm here! > > Since I have very little (read "no") talent in this area myself, I'm > fortunate enough to be associated with some of the most talented people > there is in this area, it was only a couple of hours ago I saw the > latest renderer of the Commodore :-), it wasn't a Castrol Perkins > Commodore, but there you go :-)

Oh it was a Commodore 64 then? dh

Quoted text (9 lines)

> > The next TPTCC patch ought to be something special if we can piece it > all together :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" >

Wasn't there an (uncle) Earnie in Tommy?

Oh it was a Commodore 64 then? dh Wasn't there an (uncle) Earnie in Tommy?

Dave Henrie wrote:

Quoted text (10 lines)

> > >> I think I might be reading something from Goy's enthusiasm here! > > > > Since I have very little (read "no") talent in this area myself, I'm > > fortunate enough to be associated with some of the most talented people > > there is in this area, it was only a couple of hours ago I saw the > > latest renderer of the Commodore :-), it wasn't a Castrol Perkins > > Commodore, but there you go :-) > > Oh it was a Commodore 64 then?

As you can plainly see, Herr von Henrie isn't funny *all* the time..:-) > Wasn't there an (uncle) Earnie in Tommy? No idea....Tommy ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

c) educated. "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bcsjbp$mf4ha$[email hidden]... > > > Thats arse backwards then. N2k3 has a much better physics engine thanF12k2.

Quoted text (8 lines)

> Anyone suggesting otherwise is a) stupid b) a liar > > However - their latest announcement suggests they'll be using ISI's latest > engine ( thus f12k2 ) > > Doug > >