RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

Ive kept saying this over and over but no one seems to agree. I fail to see what racing with yellows on has ever added to the fun of a race. We arent playing for points or money, so I just dont get it. The only reasons I can see for having yellows on are: -When you crash, you dont get lapped. Ok, but if you crash, you probably wont win, so what does it matter whether you finish on the lead lap or not. -Its easier to pit. Yea, but pitting under green is way more exciting and FUN. -Its easier to avoid a wreck Not really, cause chances are you will encounter the wreck before anyone slows for yellow anyway. -The real guys do it. Well, the real guys dont wreck so often. All I am saying is i'd much rather end the race 10 laps down driving FAST the whole time, than finish on the lead lap driving SLOW so much.

"frederickson" wrote... > Ive kept saying this over and over but no one seems > to agree. It's not a Nascar simulation without yellows... we can't help it if you trip over other cars or lose gears. Jan. =---

"frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:NLoLa.203494$[email hidden]: > I fail to see what racing with yellows > on has ever added to the fun of a race. Yellows make a BIG difference strategy-wise. When the racing stays relatively clean it adds a lot of fun and excitement to the game.

my first rascar race, i have to admit i liked the feel of it. A lot of yellows though. I pitted early and because of the yellows ended op with enough fuel to end the race. At the sixth or seventh restart (you lose count), JSimmons past me, and i prepared myself for the others. Wasn't planning to give them a hard time, but unfortunaly i maybe eased a bit to much and got a little bump from Dave. Then everyone tried to ride trough me and I ended the race. Better luck next time, going to find out who had won ;-) "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:aVoLa.4322$[email hidden]... > "frederickson" wrote... > > Ive kept saying this over and over but no one seems > > to agree. > > It's not a Nascar simulation without yellows... we can't help it if youtrip > over other cars or lose gears. > > Jan. > =--- > >

> we can't help it if you trip over other cars or lose gears. huh?? what are you talking about and what does that have to do with yellows?

"frederickson" wrote... > > we can't help it if you trip over other cars or lose gears. > > huh?? what are you talking about and what does that have to do > with yellows? Sorry... bad English. "If people trip over other cars or lose gears", would have been better. And eh... these things cause accidents/yellows. I thought that was obvious. Jan. =---

Well done, Guido, but bad luck on not completing it. Mark Seery won it. 'Twas a long session for me - up at 5:30 AM, finished racing at 8:30 AM! I also enjoyed it; sitting back and watching others fall over all around me! :) I think I started about 18th. and ended up 6th., thanks to the incidents. (Sort of reminds me of the fable of the hare and tortoise! :) ) And, as this thread is about Yellows, my tuppence worth:- I don't mind one way or the other. It's just a game. :) Bruce. "Guido Mielekamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:L2pLa.84656$Ur1.3702400@Flipper... > my first rascar race, i have to admit i liked the feel of it.

Pitting under green, or not getting enough chances at it, is a topic very important to me but turn off yellows on ovals and watch the frustration of getting punted sore. The number of cautions in online racing has always indicated the quality of the group involved. As for RASCAR, considering its' open membership policy, its turnover, and the abililty for members to drive when they can, RASCAR as a group does a good job keeping the yellows down. I've seen alot worse. Like Jan said, cautions are part of Cup racing. Pit strategy can still play a huge part in a fixed setup race. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NLoLa.203494$[email hidden]... > Ive kept saying this over and over but no one seems to agree. I fail to see > what racing with yellows on has ever added to the fun of a race. We arent > playing for points or money, so I just dont get it. > > The only reasons I can see for having yellows on are: > > -When you crash, you dont get lapped. > > Ok, but if you crash, you probably wont win, so what does it matter whether > you finish on the lead lap or not. > > -Its easier to pit. > > Yea, but pitting under green is way more exciting and FUN. > > -Its easier to avoid a wreck > > Not really, cause chances are you will encounter the wreck before anyone > slows for yellow anyway. > > -The real guys do it. > > Well, the real guys dont wreck so often. > > > All I am saying is i'd much rather end the race 10 laps down driving FAST > the whole time, than finish on the lead lap driving SLOW so much. > >

> The number of cautions in online racing has always indicated the qualityof the group involved. As for RASCAR, considering its' > open membership policy, its turnover, and the abililty for members todrive when they can, RASCAR as a group does a good job keeping > the yellows down. > > I've seen alot worse. LOL you didnt see today's race ;-) But thanks for actually DISCUSSING it

of the group involved. As for RASCAR, considering its' drive when they can, RASCAR as a group does a good job keeping LOL you didnt see today's race ;-) But thanks for actually DISCUSSING it

I am wondering exactly how many people - not necessarily here, but of *all* those racing across the internet - understand the basics of the terms "warp" and "lag" and the effect that the numbers have on what can occur when 22 people are attempting to share a given "space". Some of the vitriol which I've come across in a variety of pick-up races over the past several weeks would indicate that the basic knowledge regarding warp and lag leaves an enormous amount to be desired. There is obviously a vast number of people who appear to think that a data-derived and configured bounding-box sitting on a collection of bits and bytes, all attempting to cohere, relocate and reassemble at the speed of light as the signal is travelling halfway around the world through a multitude of junctions, is the same as sitting in their car outside in the street as they negotiate the neighbourhood on the way to the shop. And in this blissful ignorance they scream blue bloody murder, cry "FOUL" and flay you with cess-pit language when their collection of electrons attempts to share the same piece of time and space as yours even though, to their eyes, they are several feet away. Buffoons! Bruce.

"Bruce Kennewell" wrote... > <snip> > Buffoons! Well said Bruce... Jan. =---

Nice Rant Bruce! I try to avoid this pitfall and hope others will forgive me my electrons. -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3efe7e1b$[email hidden]... : I am wondering exactly how many people - not necessarily here, but of *all* : those racing across the internet - <snip> : : Buffoons! : : Bruce. : :

I think yellows are pointless too. I mean, it is a *race*. That means fast driving and overtaking, not 60mph laps in single file. Yellows just seem to favour the drivers who get into trouble. Sure it's annoying when somebody punts you, and it's nice in that situation to not lose a lap, but more often than not, it's the, er, less consistent drivers (like myself) who get into a spot of trouble, and if the patch allows yellows for debris, this is going to get worse. Why not just race, and if you put it in the wall, get/stay out of the way of everybody else and suffer the punishment of going a lap or two down.

How about a little realism? How about not being totally out of a race because someone else spun you? I won't even get into how important it is as far as pit strategy goes. Yellows are a necessary part of _Nascar_ racing. Yes, Saturdays race sucked. It sucked for everyone. However, it's usually _not_ like that around here and we typically do quite well when it comes to yellows. -Larry "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NLoLa.203494$[email hidden]... > Ive kept saying this over and over but no one seems to agree. I fail tosee

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> what racing with yellows on has ever added to the fun of a race. We arent > playing for points or money, so I just dont get it. > > The only reasons I can see for having yellows on are: > > -When you crash, you dont get lapped. > > Ok, but if you crash, you probably wont win, so what does it matter

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> you finish on the lead lap or not. > > -Its easier to pit. > > Yea, but pitting under green is way more exciting and FUN. > > -Its easier to avoid a wreck > > Not really, cause chances are you will encounter the wreck before anyone > slows for yellow anyway. > > -The real guys do it. > > Well, the real guys dont wreck so often. > > > All I am saying is i'd much rather end the race 10 laps down driving FAST > the whole time, than finish on the lead lap driving SLOW so much. > >

This race was not typical Rascar. A combination of rather bizarre track, not enough practice, to agressive driving in some cases, and Papy not programming the Pace laps properly into the track all added up to a miserable day for just about everyone. I don't think any of us who wanted Yellows on had any idea the track programming was so screwed up. I know I, for one, would have forgone Yellows in this case if I would have known it. -Larry "Guido Mielekamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:L2pLa.84656$Ur1.3702400@Flipper... > my first rascar race, i have to admit i liked the feel of it. > A lot of yellows though. I pitted early and because of the yellows endedop > with enough fuel to end the race. > At the sixth or seventh restart (you lose count), JSimmons past me, and i > prepared myself for the others. Wasn't planning to give them a hard time, > but unfortunaly i maybe eased a bit to much and got a little bump fromDave. > Then everyone tried to ride trough me and I ended the race. Better lucknext

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> time, going to find out who had won ;-) > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:aVoLa.4322$[email hidden]... > > "frederickson" wrote... > > > Ive kept saying this over and over but no one seems > > > to agree. > > > > It's not a Nascar simulation without yellows... we can't help it if you > trip > > over other cars or lose gears. > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > > > >

Today's race was NOT typical. -Larry "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eLuLa.159362$[email hidden]...

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> > The number of cautions in online racing has always indicated the quality > of the group involved. As for RASCAR, considering its' > > open membership policy, its turnover, and the abililty for members to > drive when they can, RASCAR as a group does a good job keeping > > the yellows down. > > > > I've seen alot worse. > > LOL you didnt see today's race ;-) > > But thanks for actually DISCUSSING it > >

Well, you got the first 10% of racing down pat :) -Larry "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bdn280$ubnbj$[email hidden]... > I think yellows are pointless too. I mean, it is a *race*. That means fast > driving and overtaking, not 60mph laps in single file. Yellows just seemto > favour the drivers who get into trouble. Sure it's annoying when somebody > punts you, and it's nice in that situation to not lose a lap, but moreoften > than not, it's the, er, less consistent drivers (like myself) who get intoa > spot of trouble, and if the patch allows yellows for debris, this is going > to get worse. > > Why not just race, and if you put it in the wall, get/stay out of the wayof > everybody else and suffer the punishment of going a lap or two down. > >

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> This race was not typical Rascar. A combination of rather bizarre track, > not enough practice, to agressive driving in some cases, and Papy not > programming the Pace laps properly into the track all added up to a > miserable day for just about everyone. > > I don't think any of us who wanted Yellows on had any idea the track > programming was so screwed up. I know I, for one, would have forgone > Yellows in this case if I would have known it.

I wouldn't have, and the programming isn't screwed up. If you watch the replay, time and time again, people waited too long to slow for turn entries. Also, people didn't give enough room when racing side- by-side, even though they know how online racing is. The slightest contact can send you into a circus tuble down the track. It wasn't the track or the sim - it was people's driving that caused all the cautions.

You completely missed my point about the programming, John. That comment was strictly in relation to the NUMBER of yellow flag laps. There was always one, sometimes two too many with no obvious reason for it. I was not relating to anything else. -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <pvFLa.34926$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > This race was not typical Rascar. A combination of rather bizarretrack,

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> > not enough practice, to agressive driving in some cases, and Papy not > > programming the Pace laps properly into the track all added up to a > > miserable day for just about everyone. > > > > I don't think any of us who wanted Yellows on had any idea the track > > programming was so screwed up. I know I, for one, would have forgone > > Yellows in this case if I would have known it. > > I wouldn't have, and the programming isn't screwed up. If you watch > the replay, time and time again, people waited too long to slow for > turn entries. Also, people didn't give enough room when racing side- > by-side, even though they know how online racing is. The slightest > contact can send you into a circus tuble down the track. > > It wasn't the track or the sim - it was people's driving that caused > all the cautions.

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <pvFLa.34926$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > This race was not typical Rascar. A combination of rather bizarretrack,

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> > not enough practice, to agressive driving in some cases, and Papy not > > programming the Pace laps properly into the track all added up to a > > miserable day for just about everyone. > > > > I don't think any of us who wanted Yellows on had any idea the track > > programming was so screwed up. I know I, for one, would have forgone > > Yellows in this case if I would have known it. > > I wouldn't have, and the programming isn't screwed up. If you watch > the replay, time and time again, people waited too long to slow for > turn entries. Also, people didn't give enough room when racing side- > by-side, even though they know how online racing is. The slightest > contact can send you into a circus tuble down the track. > > It wasn't the track or the sim - it was people's driving that caused > all the cautions.

I think Larry means that there were too many pace laps per yellow programmed into the game, which is absolutely true. David G Fisher

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pvFLa.34926$[email hidden]... > This race was not typical Rascar. A combination of rather bizarre track, > not enough practice, to agressive driving in some cases, and Papy not > programming the Pace laps properly into the track all added up to a > miserable day for just about everyone. I really like this track. Fun, wide, fast, and very forgiving to a point. The green flag racing that we did manage was fun. I had some great racing with John, David, Steve, 00(name?), and others. Kyle

Correct :) Dave gets a Milk-Bone :) -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <pvFLa.34926$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > > says... > > > This race was not typical Rascar. A combination of rather bizarre > track, > > > not enough practice, to agressive driving in some cases, and Papy not > > > programming the Pace laps properly into the track all added up to a > > > miserable day for just about everyone. > > > > > > I don't think any of us who wanted Yellows on had any idea the track > > > programming was so screwed up. I know I, for one, would have forgone > > > Yellows in this case if I would have known it. > > > > I wouldn't have, and the programming isn't screwed up. If you watch > > the replay, time and time again, people waited too long to slow for > > turn entries. Also, people didn't give enough room when racing side- > > by-side, even though they know how online racing is. The slightest > > contact can send you into a circus tuble down the track. > > > > It wasn't the track or the sim - it was people's driving that caused > > all the cautions. > > I think Larry means that there were too many pace laps per yellow

programmed > into the game, which is absolutely true. > > David G Fisher > >

00 = Mark Seery, Kyle. (He's obviously got a 'double-oh' license to kill and works for Her Majesty's government.) "Seery, Mark Seery". Nope.....just doesn't grab me. :) Bruce. "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2nJLa.16225$[email hidden]... > I had some great racing with John, David, Steve, 00(name?), and others.

That wasn't a "rant", if you don't mind, thank you very much! It was a dissertation - a totally different thing. :) Bruce. "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Nice Rant Bruce!

"Saturday's race"??! No WONDER I was in strife.........I was racing on SUNDAY! Bruce. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ktFLa.34925$[email hidden]... > Yes, Saturdays race sucked.

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ktFLa.34925$[email hidden]... > Yellows are a necessary part of _Nascar_ racing. That's exactly the point. We are not racing in NASCAR. We are racing in a computer simulation. The yellow flag rule in NASCAR is there because of driver safety. If a driver parks it in the wall on a roundabout, it is a potentially lethal situation for that driver, other drivers, and marshalls. That's why they have full course cautions. In sim racing, we don't have that problem. The worst possible outcome is somebody gets miffed because they raced 95% of the way to the flag and then wrecked. We also have the major problems of lag and warp, and the fact that anybody can race, regardless of talent. Lag and warp cause most online accidents, but are not a problem in NASCAR itself, as the only lag is in human perception and reaction. If the very medium we use to race against each other causes the most accidents in races, and each accident means 3 or more laps of 'follow the leader' reduced pace, then we are just making the experience worse for ourselves. Don't get me wrong, the occasional yellow is a good thing - it's more realistic to NASCAR, it allows drivers to reduce their concentration, take a mini break from flat out racing, think about strategy a bit more clearly. But when there was a maximum of 3 consecutive green flag laps and 33/43 laps were under yellow, it's pushing it a bit too far, don't you think? BTW I didn't race at Papy MP but those figures are what I have read on RAS.

Friday night test race - Daytona, no yellows 8pm eastern, RASCAR2003 server Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>>The slightest contact can send you into a circus tuble down the track.>> Whats a "tuble"? :)) Mike

True, but they (the cautions) DID give us the opportunity to relax, reduce our high levels of concentration and to think about what strategy we would use in the one-and-a-half green laps before the next yellow. Bruce. (with tongue firmly lodged in cheek!) "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bdq7b6$vu1pm$[email hidden]... > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ktFLa.34925$[email hidden]... >it's pushing it a bit too far, don't you think?

In article <[email hidden]>, race1530 @aol.comnojunk says... > >>The slightest contact can send you into a circus tuble down the track.>> > > Whats a "tuble"? :)) > > Mike > tumble - sorry :)

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> True, but they (the cautions) DID give us the opportunity to relax, reduce > our high levels of concentration and to think about what strategy we would > use in the one-and-a-half green laps before the next yellow. > > Bruce. (with tongue firmly lodged in cheek!) > > "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bdq7b6$vu1pm$[email hidden]... > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ktFLa.34925$[email hidden]... > >it's pushing it a bit too far, don't you think? > > >

We had exactly 16 green-flag laps. I think we should run the track again instead of running Daytona. :)

EldredP wrote: > Friday night test race - Daytona, no yellows > 8pm eastern, RASCAR2003 server 8:00pm is a bit late (2:00am) for us europeans Eldred.. :-( Having said that - I would'nt make it anyway... if yellow's go - I go. It's just not stockcar racing (or fun for that matter) without them. -- ed_

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<kvuLa.190894$[email hidden]>... > The number of cautions in online racing has always indicated the quality of the group involved. As for RASCAR, considering its' > open membership policy, its turnover, and the abililty for members to drive when they can, RASCAR as a group does a good job keeping > the yellows down. > > I've seen alot worse. Me too. I have actually sat through a number of online "races" that barely managed to complete even a single lap under green. I kept thinking all the boneheads would finally give up and we could get some racing in, but the torture just went on and on and on and. . . I think the number of cautions and the quality of the group involved tends to reflect in the real world as well. Ever catch some of the feeder series races? Some of their restarts look for all the world like lap one of a 0-10 Papy loop race. And even the Cup series can get ridiculous at times. I have a strong notion of having been to races at Bristol that were 20-30% run under yellow. Yellows breed yellows, and sometimes even the pros have a hard time getting it together. In the real world the Cup drivers get one and a half hours of practice driving around with one another at the track before going racing. If online racing groups were to do something like this, I think it would go a long way toward cutting down on some of the mischief. Of course, who the heck has the time to do it? I have never raced with you guys, but I read all the reports. I agree, you sound like you are doing fine. Carry on! Gerald

No yellows are fine for the practice race, but are you considering no yellows for the real race on Sat. too? David G Fisher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Friday night test race - Daytona, no yellows > 8pm eastern, RASCAR2003 server > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info onmy > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > 00 = Mark Seery, Kyle. > (He's obviously got a 'double-oh' license to kill and works for Her > Majesty's government.) Working for her Majesty eh? I only live in her realm, Bruce. Where I come from, Irish is pronounced, Oyrish, Guinnes is made from Liffey water and Englishmen, (what goes around comes around <G>), are currently employed as road building navvies. There is a severe shortage of unskilled labour in the Emerald Isle these days :-) MS

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > True, but they (the cautions) DID give us the opportunity to relax, reduce > our high levels of concentration and to think about what strategy we would > use in the one-and-a-half green laps before the next yellow. lol!

I would be into a practice race, no yellows is fine, I would not like to see the *official* race run without them though. -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] : says... : > True, but they (the cautions) DID give us the opportunity to relax, reduce : > our high levels of concentration and to think about what strategy we would : > use in the one-and-a-half green laps before the next yellow. : > : > Bruce. (with tongue firmly lodged in cheek!) : > : > "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > news:bdq7b6$vu1pm$[email hidden]... : > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > > news:ktFLa.34925$[email hidden]... : > >it's pushing it a bit too far, don't you think? : > : > : > : : We had exactly 16 green-flag laps. I think we should run the track : again instead of running Daytona. :) :

We've already gone over this, and the only time we run without yellows is on road courses. Our regularly scheduled races will be run with yellows ON (except road courses) - get used to the fact, and everyone stop whining. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I would be into a practice race, no yellows is fine, I would not like to see > the *official* race run without them though. > > --

JS opened a bottle of whine and said: Our regularly scheduled races will be run with yellows ON (except road courses) - get used to the fact, and everyone stop whining. -------------------------- And I just got a good bottle of vintage Andretti, damn. ;-) -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

I hope not. One person posts about no yellows and all of a sudden its this huge issue. We had a bad race. Lets get over it and just keep going with what we got. Heck, at Mich. we only had 3 yellows, so its not like every race is a huge problem. I agree with Ed above, I might run a couple of practice races w/o yellows, but if yellows go, so do I. Yellow flags ARE a part of NASCAR and they ARE a part of sim racing. They bring a huge element of strategy that would be missing w/o them. Besides, in Sat. race I got punted on the first lap and was able to come back and get a top 5. If we did not have yellows, my day would have been over on the first lap and I would have left.... which is what most everyone else would have done so you will end up with about 4 people finishing races... what fun is that. Brian Oster On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:55:02 -0400, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>No yellows are fine for the practice race, but are you considering no >yellows for the real race on Sat. too? > >David G Fisher > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Friday night test race - Daytona, no yellows >> 8pm eastern, RASCAR2003 server >> >> Eldred >> -- >> Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on >my >> homepage) >> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> >> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

That would be fine with me. I don't really care for the plate tracks. Brian Oster On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:59:23 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >says... >> True, but they (the cautions) DID give us the opportunity to relax, reduce >> our high levels of concentration and to think about what strategy we would >> use in the one-and-a-half green laps before the next yellow. >> >> Bruce. (with tongue firmly lodged in cheek!) >> >> "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:bdq7b6$vu1pm$[email hidden]... >> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:ktFLa.34925$[email hidden]... >> >it's pushing it a bit too far, don't you think? >> >> >> > >We had exactly 16 green-flag laps. I think we should run the track >again instead of running Daytona. :)

Nope. John has already reiterated the fact that only road courses have no yellows applicable. Ovals have yellows. Bruce. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > No yellows are fine for the practice race, but are you considering no > yellows for the real race on Sat. too?

In article <[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >No yellows are fine for the practice race, but are you considering no >yellows for the real race on Sat. too? Yes, I am. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> writes: >EldredP wrote: > >> Friday night test race - Daytona, no yellows >> 8pm eastern, RASCAR2003 server > >8:00pm is a bit late (2:00am) for us europeans Eldred.. :-( Hell - there's a lady in one of my leagues that races with our start time of 9:30 eastern...<g> >Having said that - I would'nt make it anyway... if yellow's go - I go. >It's just not stockcar racing (or fun for that matter) without them. Well, driving 60%+ of the race behind the pace car isn't exactly a recipe for excitement, either...<g> Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >No yellows are fine for the practice race, but are you considering no > >yellows for the real race on Sat. too? > > Yes, I am. > > Eldred

You and John need to get together then, because he's pretty adamant against turning off the yellows for anything but road courses. David G Fisher

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >No yellows are fine for the practice race, but are you considering no > > >yellows for the real race on Sat. too? > > > > Yes, I am. > > > > Eldred > > You and John need to get together then, because he's pretty adamant against > turning off the yellows for anything but road courses. > > David G Fisher

I don't think turning yellows off is the answer. I think everyone is overrreacting to the last race. Everyone should just shut up and race.

John Simmons wrote: > > I don't think turning yellows off is the answer. I think everyone is > overrreacting to the last race. Everyone should just shut up and > race. This probably won't happen often... but I agree with John ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

In article <[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >You and John need to get together then, because he's pretty adamant against >turning off the yellows for anything but road courses. Truthfully, it doesn't matter what ONE person thinks. If he was the only one against no yellows, we might still try it. However, it seems that everyone wants to keep yellows on - so we will... I still think it will be a boring yellow-filled race. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> Truthfully, it doesn't matter what ONE person thinks. If he was the onlyone > against no yellows, we might still try it. However, it seems thateveryone > wants to keep yellows on - so we will... > I still think it will be a boring yellow-filled race. > > Eldred thats a very safe bet

"frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CXiNa.8568$[email hidden]... > > Truthfully, it doesn't matter what ONE person thinks. If he was theonly

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> one > > against no yellows, we might still try it. However, it seems that > everyone > > wants to keep yellows on - so we will... > > I still think it will be a boring yellow-filled race. > > > > Eldred > > thats a very safe bet

There's NO excuse for it if it turns out that way. David G Fisher