West Brothers and their "Legends" creation?
Bruce.
What happened to the West brothers' Racing Legends?
Bruce Kennewell asked about Racing Legends, whose website had not been updated since February. Ashley McConnell said the developers were still working but had withdrawn from forums after threats of legal action. Others called it vapourware, compared it to Battlecruiser 3000AD and Duke Nukem Forever, and reported that the brothers had sold their house to fund it.
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Bruce Kennewell wrote:
>
> West Brothers and their "Legends" creation?
<goes to the kitchen to make popcorn>
THis should be entertaining
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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"Goy Larsen" wrote in message
Please, lets not go there. Waiting for Legends is like waiting for a decent
Aussie V8 sim.
Steve
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> Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > West Brothers and their "Legends" creation? > > <goes to the kitchen to make popcorn> > > THis should be entertainingLOL!! :)
From that reaction, I take it that here's been "some discussion" regarding
this very subject, Goy?
I've been out of the loop for a while and was just tidying up some internet
links and came across my West Bros. URL, clicked on it (first time in many
months) and found that their NEWS has not changed since February!
What are they doing.....does anyone have any hard and fast info on what was
supposed to be the "cr�me de la cr�me"?
Bruce.
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> > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > West Brothers and their "Legends" creation? > > <goes to the kitchen to make popcorn> > > THis should be entertaining > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--"Bruce Kennewell" wrote...
> LOL!! :)
> <snip>
> What are they doing.....does anyone have any hard and fast info
> on what was supposed to be the "cr�me de la cr�me"?
Supposedly, they're still working on it.
I've given up on checking the site/forum. I figure if something does come
up, I'll hear about it.
Jan.
=---
Okay, thanks for that, Jan.
Being the eternal optimist that I am, I'll take the view that they are SO
busy working on it that they simply haven't had time to update the site. :)
(Dumps internet link into wastebasket).
Bruce.
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I've given up on checking the site/forum. I figure if something does come
> up, I'll hear about it.
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> > Supposedly, they're still working on it. > > I've given up on checking the site/forum. I figure if something does come > up, I'll hear about it. > > Jan. > =--- >"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> writes:
Wow! Some people just need I life methinks... sad stuff.
why they don't talk in the foums
> anymore. I know the guys are still working hard on RL I can't wait to see
> some of the techniques Chris has been talking about!
My approach to this is the same as Jan's. I don't hold my breath, and
if things arrive, we will know about it pretty instantly anyway.
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> > > > Supposedly, they're still working on it. > > > > I've given up on checking the site/forum. I figure if something does come > > up, I'll hear about it. > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > Hi Jan, > > I can understand, when people threat legal action (for lack of updates!?!?) > and encourage other people to do the same,
>
> My approach to this is the same as Jan's. I don't hold my breath, and
> if things arrive, we will know about it pretty instantly anyway.
>
> --
Yep, sounds like the most sensible plan :)
I know from experience that this stuff isn't easy - my project is on a much
much smaller scale too. A hick-up or something you hadn't thought about
when designing can take weeks to fix. It's hard to quantify how long these
things take.
All the best,
Ash
http://www.siroccoracing.com
In article <bejcsu$15b$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
We see more activity with the free sims than we do from the Wests (we
get more feedback from Papyrus for christ's sake). We've seen
several sims released, and several updates to those sims in the time
we've all been waiting to see even a beta version of RL.
Threatening legal action is not only ludicrous, it's a meaningless
threat, and only makes those doing it look like a bunch of fuckin'
retards.
If RL ever does see the retail light of day, fine. However, I
suspect we'll have something else that's even better by then, and RL
will start out as an also-ran without ever having been the pinnacle
of sim racing the Wests originally wanted it to be.
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> > > > > Supposedly, they're still working on it. > > > > I've given up on checking the site/forum. I figure if something does come > > up, I'll hear about it. > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > Hi Jan, > > I can understand, when people threat legal action (for lack of updates!?!?) > and encourage other people to do the same, why they don't talk in the foums > anymore. I know the guys are still working hard on RL I can't wait to see > some of the techniques Chris has been talking about! >"Bruce Kennewell" wrote in message
> LOL!! :)
> From that reaction, I take it that here's been "some discussion" regarding
> this very subject, Goy?
Put it this way Bruce, you could apply for the old age pension before its
released...:-)
Steve
"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
>
> I can understand, when people threat legal action (for lack ofupdates!?!?)
> and encourage other people to do the same, why they don't talk in thefoums
> anymore. I know the guys are still working hard on RL I can't wait to see
> some of the techniques Chris has been talking about!
>
That sounds very promising!
Visiting the forum only makes one loose faith it the whole project. Working
hard instead of pleasing the forum community is a wise choice, but I think
they should have said that's their new policy. They have promised more
frequent updates and right now the excuse for no updates is that they are
(was) moving house.
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"Ashley McConnell" wrote...
> > <snip>
> Hi Jan,
>
> I can understand, when people threat legal action (for lack of
> updates!?!?) and encourage other people to do the same, why
> they don't talk in the foums anymore.
LOL... I must have decided reading the forum was unproductive before that
happened.
> I know the guys are still working hard on RL I can't wait to see
> some of the techniques Chris has been talking about!
I don't doubt it... One's really got to believe in what one is doing to keep
hosting a forum under such conditions.
I didn't mean to sound negative about the Wests and RL, it's just that the
site is infrequently updated and the forum is a truly depressing place.
Jan.
=---
>
> > I know the guys are still working hard on RL I can't wait to see
> > some of the techniques Chris has been talking about!
>
> I don't doubt it... One's really got to believe in what one is doing tokeep
Hi Jan,
Didn't come across as negative to me, I just wanted to offer possible
reasons why they weren't getting involved (I don't discuss these matters
with Chris as I'm sure they have enough on their plate) and to assure you
work was still continuing :)
All the best,
Ash
http://www.siroccoracing.com
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> hosting a forum under such conditions. > > I didn't mean to sound negative about the Wests and RL, it's just that the > site is infrequently updated and the forum is a truly depressing place. > > Jan. > =--- >On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:52:33 +1000, "Steve Whitty"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Put it this way Bruce, you could apply for the old age pension before its
>released...:-)
>
>Steve
What? It's going to be released next week????
Andre
"Jone Tytlandsvik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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see
> > some of the techniques Chris has been talking about!
This project will be outdated even if it gets out the door which it never
will period.
This topic has been done to death...........................it called
vaporware and thats
being too kind, now off to by a teddy to support the development of the
project, LOL
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> > "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bejcsu$15b$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I can understand, when people threat legal action (for lack of > updates!?!?) > > and encourage other people to do the same, why they don't talk in the > foums > > anymore. I know the guys are still working hard on RL I can't wait toANDRE!
That was below the belt!
:)
Bruce.
"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> What? It's going to be released next week????
>
>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote
> West Brothers and their "Legends" creation?
They stopped writing that. The West Bros. are currently creating a project
we've heard called "GPaL". I really don't know what it will become of that
project, hmm.... o_0
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> If RL ever does see the retail light of day, fine. However, I
> suspect we'll have something else that's even better by then, and RL
> will start out as an also-ran without ever having been the pinnacle
> of sim racing the Wests originally wanted it to be.
Are you thinking of what I was thinking of? Battlestation 2000 or whatever it was called?
Dunno if anyone here saw that, but in 1999 or so some single-person developer got a publisher for a game he had been working on
for 10 years or something like that. It was supposed to be the next best thing to sliced bread for the
space-travel-star-wars-battle games. When it came out, everyone took one look and said..."all the hype for THIS???" Needless
to say, had it been released 5 years earlier, it would have really been something....
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"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Analogy time!!
1a. Racing Legends is like the "Elite 4" of the racing community.
(conversely)
1b. The West bros are like the David Braben of the racing community.
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>>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote >> West Brothers and their "Legends" creation? > > > They stopped writing that. The West Bros. are currently creating a > project we've heard called "GPaL". I really don't know what it will > become of that project, hmm.... o_0 > >"ymenard" wrote:
> > West Brothers and their "Legends" creation?
>
> They stopped writing that. The West Bros. are currently creating aproject
> we've heard called "GPaL". I really don't know what it will become ofthat
> project, hmm.... o_0
I'd heard they were writing Duke Nukem Forever. DNF... hmmm interesting
acronym.
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Jan Kohl wrote:
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> Are you thinking of what I was thinking of? Battlestation 2000 or whatever it was called?
BattleCruiser 3000 AD !!!, by Derek Smart
I sold 5 copies of that game in my shop, 4 of them was returned within a
week and the 5th guy told me he would hang on to it as a momentum....
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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Steve Whitty wrote:
>
> Please, lets not go there. Waiting for Legends is like waiting for a decent
> Aussie V8 sim.
In that case you're in luck mate, some really clever people I know are
working on a mod for N2003, Stan "That's not a knife" Allen has sworn to
succeed or die, since he's Bruce's age that is a little worrying of
course, but ....:-)
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
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Bruce Kennewell wrote:
Told you so, just wait until Doug Ellison finds this thread :-)
> What are they doing.....does anyone have any hard and fast info on what was
> supposed to be the "cr�me de la cr�me"?
Someone I know recently spoke to one of them and they're still at it
apparently, which is good news I suppose, and they're very committed,
I'll give them that, apparently they sold their house to fund the
continuation of the project...
Which is both good and bad news I suppose, shows the level of
commitment, but also shows that they are flat broke at this point, which
is sad as while I have my doubts about them ever finishing it, I would
have been right there, credit card in hand, looking to get a copy as
soon as humanly possible
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
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> > LOL!! :) > From that reaction, I take it that here's been "some discussion" regarding > this very subject, Goy? > I've been out of the loop for a while and was just tidying up some internet > links and came across my West Bros. URL, clicked on it (first time in many > months) and found that their NEWS has not changed since February!They tried to make the best racing simulator ever, which is great, but they
tried to do it in one release, which is stupid, and a perfect example of how
not to undertake software development.
Look at it this way, if the West's had spent 2 years making a sim that was
exactly the same as GTR2002, not perfect by any means, but one of the best
sims available, with some driving aids, they could have sold it
commercially, raked in the cash - to plumb back into developing a newer,
better version.
Also, everybody in RAS would be shouting at the top of their voice about
just how amazing the West's were, with their amazing sim, even modelling
tyre temps / brake temps etc.
Not to mention how much better the West's were compared to that roundabout
Papy stuff <g>
In article <SOkPa.254960$[email hidden]>,
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> > If RL ever does see the retail light of day, fine. However, I
> > suspect we'll have something else that's even better by then, and RL
> > will start out as an also-ran without ever having been the pinnacle
> > of sim racing the Wests originally wanted it to be.
>
> Are you thinking of what I was thinking of? Battlestation 2000 or whatever it was called?
Nah., I was just speaking as a programmer.
:)
In article <3f0d0de7$[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell"
<[email hidden]> writes:
>West Brothers and their "Legends" creation?
>
>Bruce.
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Sure! Right after we get...
I can't do it...<g>
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>On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:52:33 +1000, "Steve Whitty" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Put it this way Bruce, you could apply for the old age pension before its >>released...:-) >> >>Steve > >What? It's going to be released next week????
"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> Someone I know recently spoke to one of them and they're still at it
> apparently, which is good news I suppose, and they're very committed,
Well, if they had to sell their house in order to fund further work, maybe
they SHOULD be committed.
That's a hell of a thing to do without any guarantee at all of success,
financial or oherwise.
> ......as while I have my doubts about them ever finishing it, I would
> have been right there, credit card in hand, looking to get a copy as
> soon as humanly possible
You and me both, Goy.
Two years ago I actually put off upgrading my PC until Wests product was
released....and then there was that ugly scene with Empire Interactive and
the whole thing went bleccch!
I have a feeling that we will never see the result of their dream. It will
take a financial miracle to occur.
Bruce.
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I recently spoke with a friend who is dating a girl that works with a
dude that is engaged to the barmaid that serves the West Brothers beer
at a local tavern.....and HE said that they are scraping the "Racing
Legends" idea and using the "CORE" of the software engine to develope
a new sim based on the WILDLY popular sport of "Pinewood Derby"
racing.
WHEN they are finished ( he said they would have a working demo out
as soon as the legal issues are ironed out with the Boy Scouts...)they
will have every detail imaginable pertaining to "Derby" racing such
as: 1)when you start the game, you must first use a "Virtual" set of
X-acto knives to carve your piece of wood...the full version will let
you choose the denisity of your block of wood!! 2) The full version
will also include as many as 10 different color schemes to apply to
your creation ( an intergrated paint program will be available soon
after the "Official" release as an add-on for only $59.00 BUT will
include at no charge a "Racing Legends" OR "World Sports Car" dust
cover for your mouse!) 3)Gravity will also be modeled like never
before! Choose a higher altitude for some REALLY crazy racing action!
4)If you are a "newbie" and want to get right into the action, there's
always the virtual "Dad" you can choose to help you with your car.He
will carve it and align your wheels for you...if you win enough races,
you can trade up to a REALLY cool dad that will even paint it for you
while you watch cartoons!
Obviously i'm a big fan of satire...LOL
I think we all get that sinking feeling when we read posts about
"RL"...the whole "west Bros." thing reminds me of "The Wizard of OZ"
....It's not hard to start making comparisons after you ponder it
awhile.....sigh.
SpeedRat
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> They tried to make the best racing simulator ever, which is great, but they > tried to do it in one release, which is stupid, and a perfect example of how > not to undertake software development. > > Look at it this way, if the West's had spent 2 years making a sim that was > exactly the same as GTR2002, not perfect by any means, but one of the best > sims available, with some driving aids, they could have sold it > commercially, raked in the cash - to plumb back into developing a newer, > better version. > > Also, everybody in RAS would be shouting at the top of their voice about > just how amazing the West's were, with their amazing sim, even modelling > tyre temps / brake temps etc. > > Not to mention how much better the West's were compared to that roundabout > Papy stuff <g>On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:54:27 +0200, Goy Larsen
<[email hidden]> wrote:
Derek seems to have become a legend in some circles for opening his
mouth to scream at anyone that has a complaint about the game, calling
them stupid (and other unprintable things) and removing posts from his
forum when the disagree with him (reading the few interviews are
hilarious- males you feel the interviewer wants out of there so fast).
Last year he released an updated version that he said would never be
able to be pirated and within 3 hours was cracked and ready to
download (got it for the hell of it played it for an hour or so then
toasted it)
For some ungodly reason he has a deal with another publishing company
and has another game in the works.
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> > >Jan Kohl wrote: >> >> Are you thinking of what I was thinking of? Battlestation 2000 or whatever it was called? > >BattleCruiser 3000 AD !!!, by Derek Smart > >I sold 5 copies of that game in my shop, 4 of them was returned within a >week and the 5th guy told me he would hang on to it as a momentum.... >On 11 Jul 2003 01:34:03 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:
You just made a very wise decision ;)
Andre
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>>What? It's going to be released next week???? > >Sure! Right after we get... > >I can't do it...<g> > >EldredOn 10 Jul 2003 22:32:33 -0700, [email hidden] (SpeedRat)
wrote:
>I recently spoke with a friend who is dating a girl that works with a
>dude that is engaged to the barmaid that serves the West Brothers beer
>at a local tavern.....
Pff, and that makes YOU the expert? I ran over a dog who was infected
by another dog who used to chase Spooky the cat...so I'm the expert
here! I know all about the project, but like all other insiders, I'm
not telling you! Nananananana
Remco
I'm sure the grammar is horible, but you try writing after 18
cappaccino's...
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:55:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco
Moedt) wrote:
>Remco
>
>I'm sure the grammar is horible, but you try writing after 18
>cappaccino's...
Let me guess, you can't even remember the last time you went to sleep
eh :-/
Andre
>"Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Are you thinking of what I was thinking of? Battlestation 2000 orwhatever it was called?
SHHHH!!! It's like Beetlejuice, don't say the words "Derek Smart" 3 times
in a row ;)
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>"ssrat" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Derek seems to have become a legend in some circles for opening his
> mouth to scream at anyone that has a complaint about the game, calling
> them stupid (and other unprintable things) and removing posts from his
> forum when the disagree with him (reading the few interviews are
> hilarious- males you feel the interviewer wants out of there so fast).
I've followed the "Derekgate" for personnal pleasure all throughout the
years. One google peak
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=derek+smart is
enough to satisfy anybody with hours of entertainment :)
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"SpeedRat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I recently spoke with a friend who is dating a girl that works with a dudethat is engaged to the barmaid that serves the West Brothers beer at a local
tavern.....
Now I KNOW you're lying; they don't drink beer, only wine spritzers!
Bruce.
Whatever happened to... Jack Rambo?
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> >"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > > West Brothers and their "Legends" creation? > > > They stopped writing that. The West Bros. are currently creating a project > we've heard called "GPaL". I really don't know what it will become of that > project, hmm.... o_0 > > > > > > > > -- > -- François Ménard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (SpeedRat) writes:
> I think we all get that sinking feeling when we read posts about
>"RL"...the whole "west Bros." thing reminds me of "The Wizard of OZ"
>....It's not hard to start making comparisons after you ponder it
>awhile.....sigh.
>
Pay no attention to the programmer behind the curtain...<g>
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> Whatever happened to... Jack Rambo?
Jack did make a comeback to RAS and explained what happened some while ago.
Probably not worth going through it again :)
I raced with Jack in my first ever GPL league - he is damn nice chap. Last
I heard he was starting a new career and doing fine.
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"SpeedRat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
> Legends" idea and using the "CORE" of the software engine to develope
> a new sim based on the WILDLY popular sport of "Pinewood Derby"
> racing.
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Admittedly I'm outta the papyrus loop right now, but the scuttlebutt is
the patch will contain base for a quick Trans AM mod correct? The closest
American series to Aussie V8's is Trans Am, Horsepower is similar, I think
the TA cars have a bit more Aero Downforce than the Aussies. But then the
Supercars can be tweeked to touch 300kph at Bathurst and I don't think the
TA cars ever get up to that pace. It would be interesting to send a
Rocketsports Jag downunder to compete...ANyhooo...
Since Trans AM is in the patch, an Aussie Hack of that mod should be
easy. It may not be accurate, but close enough until a full conversion is
attempted.
dave henrie
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> > > Steve Whitty wrote: >> >> Please, lets not go there. Waiting for Legends is like waiting for a >> decent Aussie V8 sim. > > In that case you're in luck mate, some really clever people I know are > working on a mod for N2003, Stan "That's not a knife" Allen has sworn > to succeed or die, since he's Bruce's age that is a little worrying of > course, but ....:-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" >
Dave Henrie wrote:
We most certainly intend to hack one of the new physics models and
making it as close to the AussieV8's as possible, just as we intend to
do with the NLegends mod
How close we'll get depends on how much of it we'll be able to decipher,
with or without help from Papy, I have no idea if they plan to release
this kind of info, but we're making nice progress with what we've got so
far
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
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