OMG: Isle of Man!

Jim Pearson's incredibly detailed version of the fabled Isle of Man circuit here: http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/ Or via Magnus' wonderful GPL track database: http://magnust.d2g.com/

Jim Pearson's incredibly detailed version of the fabled Isle of Man circuit here: http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/ Or via Magnus' wonderful GPL track database: http://magnust.d2g.com/

Steve, is this going to be converted over to N2003? Pete "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q2eQa.4430$G%[email hidden]... > Jim Pearson's incredibly detailed version of the fabled Isle of Mancircuit

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> here: > > http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/ > > Or via Magnus' wonderful GPL track database: > > http://magnust.d2g.com/ > > >

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:raeQa.6$[email hidden]... > Steve, is this going to be converted over to N2003? Not without Jim's permission, his readme is pretty specific about that. Malc.

I cant believe you guys still play that game..(GPL) It sure would be nice for F1 2002 with all of the mods that are available.

"Mike Portnoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RefQa.66597$[email hidden]... > I cant believe you guys still play that game..(GPL) It sure would be nice > for F1 2002 with all of the mods that are available. It's not a matter of belief, just accept it & move on ;-) Correct me if I'm wrong here, but gpl has more tracks available for it than any other racing sim atm. What you drive is nice, but where you drive & how you drive are more important imo ;-) Malc.

>"Mike Portnoy" <[email hidden]> wrote > I cant believe you guys still play that game..(GPL) It sure would be nice > for F1 2002 with all of the mods that are available. There is a higher sense of satisfaction in GPL. There is also an historical importance, or acceptation that you clearly don't get in F1C. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Mike Portnoy wrote: > I cant believe you guys still play that game..(GPL) It sure would be nice > for F1 2002 with all of the mods that are available. > > BURN HIM!!

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q2eQa.4430$G%[email hidden]... > > Jim Pearson's incredibly detailed version of the fabled Isle of Mancircuit > here: > It's an incredible effort... a shame that the entire course couldn't be duplicated though. If the only issue is with AI then I'd gladly give up AI and hotlap it. D.

The only issue was not with AI. Over 25km and other weird things start happening, so he says. Bruce. "Dale Green" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > It's an incredible effort... a shame that the entire course couldn't be > duplicated though. If the only issue is with AI then I'd gladly give upAI > and hotlap it.

Boy, I sure hope so! "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:raeQa.6$[email hidden]...

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> Steve, is this going to be converted over to N2003? > > Pete > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:q2eQa.4430$G%[email hidden]... > > Jim Pearson's incredibly detailed version of the fabled Isle of Man > circuit > > here: > > > > http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/ > > > > Or via Magnus' wonderful GPL track database: > > > > http://magnust.d2g.com/ > > > > > > > >

What's important to me (now that I understand the difference) is the tire modeling. I finally know what Dave Kaemmer meant when he said he couldn't drive GPL any more (this was almost 2 years ago) because the tire model is so primitive (read: numb). "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5jfQa.48754$[email hidden]... > "Mike Portnoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RefQa.66597$[email hidden]... > > I cant believe you guys still play that game..(GPL) It sure would benice > > for F1 2002 with all of the mods that are available. > > It's not a matter of belief, just accept it & move on ;-) > > Correct me if I'm wrong here, but gpl has more tracks available for itthan > any other racing sim atm. What you drive is nice, but where you drive &how > you drive are more important imo ;-) > > Malc. > >

If GPL tracks were considered works of art, this would be a Van Gogh! What an incredible track. BD On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:30:46 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Jim Pearson's incredibly detailed version of the fabled Isle of Man circuit >here: > >http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/ > >Or via Magnus' wonderful GPL track database: > >http://magnust.d2g.com/ > >

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qqkQa.4511$G%[email hidden]... > What's important to me (now that I understand the difference) is the tire > modeling. I finally know what Dave Kaemmer meant when he said he couldn't > drive GPL any more (this was almost 2 years ago) because the tire model is > so primitive (read: numb). I suspect that DK's concept of 'primitive' and most other people's are rather different. He may be a racer too, but at the end of the day he has the heart of an engineer, and he probably feels that, quite rightly, the stuff he's built since gpl is better. His 'best' project will very probably be his latest one, just like every other engineer. gpl has plenty of flaws & faults, it could be better in alot of ways, but right now if you want to run the IOM circuit, you're going to have to load up gpl. There are worse things you could do, Steve, and believe me, it's worth it. Malc.

"Acceptation"?? Where the heck did I put my ymenard-to-English dictionary? ;o) "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9yfQa.118$[email hidden]... > > There is a higher sense of satisfaction in GPL. There is also anhistorical

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> importance, or acceptation that you clearly don't get in F1C. > > > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

"Haqsau" wrote... > "Acceptation"?? Where the heck did I put my > ymenard-to-English dictionary? ;o) Hehehe... I've never needed a dictionary to understand Francois, but then again, my French is sufficient to grasp his meaning. And he has improved *a lot* over the years. Jan. =---

>"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote > "Acceptation"?? Where the heck did I put my ymenard-to-Englishdictionary? > ;o) Ok ok, acceptationementing ;) NR2003 has a higher sense of satisfaction compared to GPL, imho. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> If GPL tracks were considered works of art, this would be a Van Gogh! > What an incredible track. AGREED! A great work of art. WOW! This is an amazing effort!!! This will give me HOURS of driving pleasure (if I can complete a lap with out stopping to see all the detailed stuff, teehee <8�) Thank you Jim Pearson for all your time and effort and for giving us all this gift! Top Notch! _______________ Pete Panaia Animator \ 3D Artist

Hear, hear! It might be old but, by Christ, it still has a lot going for it. Bruce. "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eFlQa.49399$[email hidden]... > gpl has plenty of flaws & faults, it could be better in alot of ways, but > right now if you want to run the IOM circuit, you're going to have to load > up gpl. There are worse things you could do, Steve, and believe me, it's > worth it.

LOL!! Remember, Francois is developing his own language (refer a post a couple of weeks ago). Whereas English is a bastardisation of many other languages, "Ymenard" will be a bastardisation of English. A Multi Bastard, in other words. :) Bruce. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:besrr2$8n935$[email hidden]... > "Acceptation"?? Where the heck did I put my ymenard-to-Englishdictionary?

I've just spent two hours with this circuit and am driven to say that this is, without a shadow of a doubt, an absolute masterpiece. Brilliantly conceived and executed, with distance compression so well crafted that only those who have a good knowledge of the real thing would notice. There's been some really impressive real-world circuits created for GPL since its inception and some of them are brilliant, not only in the artwork but also in the driving enjoyment. These are the ones which, because they combine the best of all aspects, sit on the very top shelf of GPL circuits. But for Isle of Man, I've had to build a new pedestal; this creation sits above all other road courses. Truly a work of art. Bruce. P.S. I am SO glad that Jim has rejected all thoughts of converting this for NASCARxxxx. To do so would be utter sacrilege.

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:30:46 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Jim Pearson's incredibly detailed version of the fabled Isle of Man circuit >here: > >http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/ Incredible is the correct word here.. I don't even dare to guess how much time it took Jim to create this masterpiece.. Andre

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Bruce Kennewell) wrote: > But for Isle of Man, I've had to build a new pedestal; this creation > sits above all other road courses. I've just DLed it and completed my first lap. And you're definitely right! It's a loooong time since I looked at a new track... I just don't have the time to check them all out (or the brain to remember them well enough to enjoy driving them :-) Now I'm beginning to realise why the TT races are so popular, there's some excellent driving to be had on this track. John's done a great job here, and the only disappointment is that GPL can't handle a full length version. Thanks to everyone here for waking me up to this track's existence. Andrew McP

"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Mike Portnoy wrote: > > I cant believe you guys still play that game..(GPL) It sure would benice > > for F1 2002 with all of the mods that are available. > > > > > > BURN HIM!! > He's a witch!! Burn!!!

> I am SO glad that Jim has rejected all thoughts of converting this for > NASCARxxxx. > To do so would be utter sacrilege. > Noooo. You got it all wrong. Nascar 2003 = GPL 2. [The Patch is near] | | :)

"Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:beu0va$8rt0t$[email hidden]...

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> > I am SO glad that Jim has rejected all thoughts of converting this for > > NASCARxxxx. > > To do so would be utter sacrilege. > > > > Noooo. You got it all wrong. > Nascar 2003 = GPL 2. > > [The Patch is near]

But it isn't here /yet/ ;-) In the mean time I thoroughly recommend gpl. It's very good you know ;-) Malc.

An absolute masterpiece!!!! Can't wait for my wifes father to get back from his holiday and show him the track. He was born on IoM. This is one years work well worth it. Jim should be made a Saint.:o) Steve

Do you know something the rest of don't? Trans-Am physics doesn't equal GPL2 for me anyway... Marc "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:beu0va$8rt0t$[email hidden]...

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> > I am SO glad that Jim has rejected all thoughts of converting this for > > NASCARxxxx. > > To do so would be utter sacrilege. > > > > Noooo. You got it all wrong. > Nascar 2003 = GPL 2. > > [The Patch is near] > | > | > > > :) > >

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:05:21 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The only issue was not with AI. >Over 25km and other weird things start happening, so he says. > >Bruce. > Do such weird things happen if a NR2003 track is too long? The hard limit (5 miles) has been repealed, yes, but is there a 'soft' limit too? Aside from lag on such a memory hog of course... John DiFool

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > I am SO glad that Jim has rejected all thoughts of converting this for > NASCARxxxx. > To do so would be utter sacrilege. ROFL, you're something else Bruce, you really are Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Marc Collins wrote: > > Do you know something the rest of don't? > > Trans-Am physics doesn't equal GPL2 for me anyway... Unless you refuse to drive anything with fenders and a roof, N2003 is more than just the mods from PWF, MUCH more Hell, for all I know there may be something in there for open wheel die hards as well, we've not even tried to venture into that area Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Do such weird things happen if a NR2003 track is > too long? The hard limit (5 miles) has been repealed, > yes, but is there a 'soft' limit too? Aside from lag on > such a memory hog of course... Memory hog? Lag? So you've never driven the Nurburgring then? Shame on you ;-) Malc.

> Do such weird things happen if a NR2003 track is > too long? The hard limit (5 miles) has been repealed, > yes, but is there a 'soft' limit too? Aside from lag on > such a memory hog of course... > > John DiFool Nascar Racing 2003 does not have a length limit on tracks. -- MT

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:45:37 +1000, "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>An absolute masterpiece!!!! >Can't wait for my wifes father to get back from his holiday and show him the >track. He was born on IoM. >This is one years work well worth it. >Jim should be made a Saint.:o) > >Steve

I just called the Pope to take care of this but he was too busy driving his Lotus around IoM :-/ Andre

Pete wrote: > Steve, is this going to be converted over to N2003? Jeez, you want to drive big honky NASCAR cars on the Man TT circuit of all places? Some people really ARE nuts (like anyone who drives that track in real life ;) Maybe the Monaco GP circuit would be an even BETTER choice for those Big Fa(s)t Americans, with a 30-car field! ;) Heck, no, Crystal Palace, that's it! <grin - imagines the carnage> Regards, Rudy (GPLRank -0.89) >>Jim Pearson's incredibly detailed version of the fabled Isle of Man

ROFL Steve "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >An absolute masterpiece!!!! > >Can't wait for my wifes father to get back from his holiday and show himthe

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> >track. He was born on IoM. > >This is one years work well worth it. > >Jim should be made a Saint.:o) > > > >Steve > > I just called the Pope to take care of this but he was too busy > driving his Lotus around IoM :-/ > > Andre

Hehe, well that is quite an originamated and unusualising word. ;o) "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%BmQa.1254$[email hidden]... > > > Ok ok, acceptationementing ;) > > >

Bah, it's no GPL. Oh wait, yes it is... "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VnwQa.49451$[email hidden]... > > In the mean time I thoroughly recommend gpl. It's very good you know ;-) > > Malc. > >

"Mika Takala" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<2zDQa.1545$[email hidden]>...

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> > Do such weird things happen if a NR2003 track is > > too long? The hard limit (5 miles) has been repealed, > > yes, but is there a 'soft' limit too? Aside from lag on > > such a memory hog of course... > > > > John DiFool > > Nascar Racing 2003 does not have a length limit on tracks.

Mille Miglia! Mille Miglia! ;) Kendt

I am drooling out here..any chance this could be converted to SCGT? Kevin (aka tlgtr) **** "A GOOD friend will come bail you out of jail... but, a TRUE friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn we screwed up!!!!."

TlgtrProd wrote: > I am drooling out here..any chance this could be converted to SCGT? Sounds like a job for GEEti ;) Regards, Rudy (GPLRank -0.89) "We do this not because it is easy, but because it is hard." - JFK on GPL

I have been called worse than nuts so I will take that as a compliment. :-) With the improved physics (over GPL) the road courses are very enjoyable. With the coming addons with many different car models being taken into account, N2003 will be the game to have in order to experience it. It will be your loss if you choose not to. Pete "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bev8tv$dvr$[email hidden]...

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> Pete wrote: > > > Jeez, you want to drive big honky NASCAR cars on the Man TT circuit of > all places? > > Some people really ARE nuts (like anyone who drives that track in real > life ;) > > > Maybe the Monaco GP circuit would be an even BETTER choice for those Big > Fa(s)t Americans, with a 30-car field! ;) Heck, no, Crystal Palace, > that's it! <grin - imagines the carnage> > > Regards, Rudy > (GPLRank -0.89) > > >>Jim Pearson's incredibly detailed version of the fabled Isle of Man >

Ruud Dingemans wrote:

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> Pete wrote: > >> Steve, is this going to be converted over to N2003? > > > > > Jeez, you want to drive big honky NASCAR cars on the Man TT circuit of > all places? > > Some people really ARE nuts (like anyone who drives that track in real > life ;) > > > Maybe the Monaco GP circuit would be an even BETTER choice for those Big > Fa(s)t Americans, with a 30-car field! ;) Heck, no, Crystal Palace, > that's it! <grin - imagines the carnage> >

Yawn. If I remember correctly, there was a part of the Long Beach circuit occasionally used by Trans-Am that was 16 ft wide. With the cockpit field of view of the never-published SCCA Trans-Am game, the sides of the track appeared to be touching both sides of the car... - Matt

Goy, its a shame some people live in the past and have trouble moving on. I was at Papyrus and got to see GPL when it was still on the drawing boards. The day I was there they had the first working beta of Nascar 2 and I wasn't even interested. I just wandered around looking at all the terrific art work and modeling on GPL. It blew me away then and I had to keep my mouth shut for a long time because until it got leaked by Sierra no one even knew it was being worked on. GPL is a Classic and always will be but the physics are archaic and out of date compared to N2003. If the physics can be transfered over to other venues of racing there will be no comparison. I'm looking forward to not living in the past. Pete "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > > > I am SO glad that Jim has rejected all thoughts of converting this for > > NASCARxxxx. > > To do so would be utter sacrilege. > > ROFL, you're something else Bruce, you really are > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

I am sure there will be lots. But I was asking how NR2003=GPL2? Marc "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Marc Collins wrote: > > > > Do you know something the rest of don't? > > > > Trans-Am physics doesn't equal GPL2 for me anyway... > > Unless you refuse to drive anything with fenders and a roof, N2003 is > more than just the mods from PWF, MUCH more > > Hell, for all I know there may be something in there for open wheel die > hards as well, we've not even tried to venture into that area > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Well, whoop-de-doo for you, Pete. I can guarantee you one thing - the older you get the more you value the past and the day will come when you also hold on to a favourite. And the older you get the less you feel like "moving on"........unless you are terminally ill. I have no objections to seeing NASCAR 2003 modded to the hilt. It can spawn umpteen different classes of racing machines and I should bloody well hope that the physics ARE different to those in GPL. However, what *I* do NOT want on MY computer is a bunch of tin-tops bellowing around the Isle of Man and if Jim Pearson feels the same about his circuit then I think it's wonderful. Now.....perhaps this will give someone the incentive to do a mod of N2003 which will pop out a gaggle of Norton's, Triumph's, Ducati's.................... Bruce. "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5DJQa.3207$[email hidden]... > Goy, its a shame some people live in the past and have trouble moving > on.

Ruud Dingemans wrote:

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> Pete wrote: > >> Steve, is this going to be converted over to N2003? > > > > > Jeez, you want to drive big honky NASCAR cars on the Man TT circuit of > all places? > > Some people really ARE nuts (like anyone who drives that track in real > life ;) > > > Maybe the Monaco GP circuit would be an even BETTER choice for those Big > Fa(s)t Americans, with a 30-car field! ;) Heck, no, Crystal Palace, > that's it! <grin - imagines the carnage>

Pants Ring!?!

It's lovely. With the occasional sea view, the varied roadside attractions and the occasional pub, it has a feel much like the most beautiful stages of the visually stunning Rally Championship. It's also bloody terrifying at speed in a prancing horse. Stephen

Well all he said was he wouldn't do it himself :-) Achim "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > I am SO glad that Jim has rejected all thoughts of converting this for > NASCARxxxx. > To do so would be utter sacrilege.

You know, guys, I've always felt that there's hardly ever a racecar unsuited to a certain track or track type. Rather, it's the drivers who are unsuited to the cars, or who don't have real racing blood in their veins, because in all modesty, if you're a racer, you take the vehicle you can get hold of, make the best of it and _race_ against whoever will give you a race :-) Achim P.s.: CP is one of the circuits I'm dreaming of getting converted to N2k3, the Nascars are a _blast_ at Monaco, and the Nascar RC league I'm driving in has - at least in its top division - a lot less carnage than most GPL leagues :-) "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bev8tv$dvr$[email hidden]... ...

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> Jeez, you want to drive big honky NASCAR cars on the Man TT circuit of > all places? > > Some people really ARE nuts (like anyone who drives that track in real > life ;) > > > Maybe the Monaco GP circuit would be an even BETTER choice for those Big > Fa(s)t Americans, with a 30-car field! ;) Heck, no, Crystal Palace, > that's it! <grin - imagines the carnage>

Well, I am old. I'm only a few years behind you and yes I do have a potential terminal illness. I understand peoples favourites and obsessions but I think people have gone a little over board on ocassion myself included. Just because it says Nascar(big boat) doesn't mean the engine can't and won't be used for many other types of racing. It wouldn't surprise me at some point if we don't see a GPL2 from this physics model. I strongly suspect "Project Wildfire" is more than meets the eye. I can only go on my gut feelings from past dealings with a certain company that many interesting "projects" may be in the works. I have lots of free time to think about the past and it doesn't produce much in the way of productive results. If you and the other poster wan't to trash me for asking about it being converted to N2003 I guess I could ignore you or be like John S. and give you some personal direction. As far as filling your computer with a bunch of "Tin Tops" thats your choice. I like all forms of motorsports and don't object in the least to any conversions to whatever form it may take or evolve into. If Jim Pearson chooses not to convert it thats his choice, it would be a shame. But if some purist or elitist view on your part or his turns your crank, enjoy. It never ceases to amaze me how a simple question can get turned into trash talking spectacle. Pete "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f13787a$[email hidden]...

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> Well, whoop-de-doo for you, Pete. > I can guarantee you one thing - the older you get the more you value the > past and the day will come when you also hold on to a favourite. And the > older you get the less you feel like "moving on"........unless you are > terminally ill. > > I have no objections to seeing NASCAR 2003 modded to the hilt. > It can spawn umpteen different classes of racing machines and I should > bloody well hope that the physics ARE different to those in GPL. > > However, what *I* do NOT want on MY computer is a bunch of tin-tops > bellowing around the Isle of Man and if Jim Pearson feels the same about

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> circuit then I think it's wonderful. > > Now.....perhaps this will give someone the incentive to do a mod of N2003 > which will pop out a gaggle of Norton's, Triumph's, > Ducati's.................... > > Bruce. > > "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5DJQa.3207$[email hidden]... > > Goy, its a shame some people live in the past and have trouble

moving > > on. > >

Hi Bruce, > the older you get the more you value the past and the day will > come when you also hold on to a favourite. And the > older you get the less you feel like "moving on"... That doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, though, does it? :-) I still remember with awe and fascination the small yellow Lotus cars racing against Opel Diplomats, the modified Fiats, Cobras (some of them drove home on the public streets after the race), the Triumphs, Austin Healeys or MG's and all the others race around the Norisring in the era ~40 years ago. I can actually still see some of the racing scenes before me. And I can hear the awesome sounds of I forget what they were called at the time - prototypes? Single-seaters with a sound that shook your bones so deeply you'd bite your teeth to prevent them from getting shaken out :-) But I'll also recognise when something new and good is coming my way in terms of racing, and I'll enjoy it with just as much pleasure as I enjoyed those ancient racecars :-) Achim P.s.: AAMOF, Nascar technology should send pleasant shudders down the spine of anyone adoring racing history :-) (no offense to Nascars meant) :-)

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> > > Do such weird things happen if a NR2003 track is > > > too long? The hard limit (5 miles) has been repealed, > > > yes, but is there a 'soft' limit too? Aside from lag on > > > such a memory hog of course... > > > > > > John DiFool > > > > Nascar Racing 2003 does not have a length limit on tracks. > > Mille Miglia! > Mille Miglia! > ;) > > Kendt

Targa Florio! All 3 versions too! Should only take a decade or so of spare time :) David

In article <vMNQa.2336$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Pete) wrote: > If Jim Pearson chooses not to convert it thats his choice, > it would be a shame. I think if pressed I'd have to say that the creator's wishes should be honoured. But a big part of me says this is such a great track (in driving terms and as an example of excellent craftsmanship) that the wider the audience, the better. And if it were to be secretly converted I'd secretly download it and feel a little guilty. One thing I *really* enjoy about the N2003 engine is the variable lighting conditions. IoM, like so many of GPL's great tracks, would benefit from the extra "life" that lighting can breathe into the experience. Well, for me anyway! Andrew McP

Andrew, the main advantage N2k3 has over GPL for me personally is the dramatically more advanced tire model. Driving the same track in GPL and N2k3, the track will feel endlessly more real to me in N2k3 than it does in GPL. I'll feel things I'd never feel in GPL driving that same track. Hence, converting a track to N2k3 will bring out its true beauty. It'll make it _really_ shine in terms of immersion and the feeling of 'being there' for me. Achim "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <vMNQa.2336$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Pete) wrote: > > > If Jim Pearson chooses not to convert it thats his choice, > > it would be a shame. > > I think if pressed I'd have to say that the creator's wishes should be > honoured. But a big part of me says this is such a great track (in > driving terms and as an example of excellent craftsmanship) that the > wider the audience, the better. And if it were to be secretly converted > I'd secretly download it and feel a little guilty. > > One thing I *really* enjoy about the N2003 engine is the variable > lighting conditions. IoM, like so many of GPL's great tracks, would > benefit from the extra "life" that lighting can breathe into the > experience. Well, for me anyway! > > Andrew McP >

Simply because the physics as far as I understand it will be open for modifications. :-) "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QMJQa.1410$[email hidden]...

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> I am sure there will be lots. But I was asking how NR2003=GPL2? > > Marc > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Marc Collins wrote: > > > > > > Do you know something the rest of don't? > > > > > > Trans-Am physics doesn't equal GPL2 for me anyway... > > > > Unless you refuse to drive anything with fenders and a roof, N2003 is > > more than just the mods from PWF, MUCH more > > > > Hell, for all I know there may be something in there for open wheel die > > hards as well, we've not even tried to venture into that area > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > > > http://www.theuspits.com > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > > --Groucho Marx-- > >

In article <bf0css$9mp9g$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Joachim Trensz) wrote: > the main advantage N2k3 has over GPL for me personally is the > dramatically more advanced tire model Oh, I agree Achim, though it wasn't until I drove N2003 on some of the converted GPL tracks that I was able to really appreciate some of the advances in realism and "feel". Which is why I agree with... > Driving the same track in GPL and N2k3, the track will feel > endlessly more real to me in N2k3 than it does in GPL I drove Zandvort in N2003 for the first time last week and it was far *far* more enjoyable than I ever expected. It was always my favourite track for GPL and now... well, now it doesn't feel quite the same in GPL any more! I sort of feel like I've been unfaithful :-) Of course having been enthusiastic about N2003, I'm really excited by the prospect of driving something a little less Nascar-flavoured in the rumoured mod/s. Though I must admit to being confused by those mods... why aren't Papyrus/Sierra doing it themselves and making money on it? All will no doubt be revealed! Andrew McP

Hi Andrew, > I sort of feel like I've been unfaithful :-) Among the GPL beta testers we were an extremely dedicated and enthusiastic bunch for GPL at the time. And at its time, GPL was no doubt the best ever, and it's still a milestone in physics modelling, and online capability. There's no doubt about it. But, life goes on, and you've got to move on with it - or else you'll be left behind, hold everyone else up, and miss a lot of the good stuff that's happening. I wouldn't want to fall for every silly new fashion or pseudo-ism some of the younger folks get drawn into, but I'd like to bring the good stuff from the past with me and try to integrate it with the good new stuff. Holding everyone else up isn't what a racer wants to do, does he, except on the last lap if he's leading but can't go full speed anymore :-) Like you, I'm looking forward with excitement to the modified physics commonly labelled TransAm. I'm hoping for them to open the door for a couple of mods besides PWF's TransAm mod, and I sincerely hope they'll resemble a bit more the street racecars we Europeans are used to. But until then, I'll race using the sim which gets closest to reality, and I won't waste a second thinking about what they or what a racecar should be or should not be. If it's got decent horsepower and cornering speed, it qualifies as a racecar for me :-) Achim "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <bf0css$9mp9g$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Joachim Trensz) wrote: > > > the main advantage N2k3 has over GPL for me personally is the > > dramatically more advanced tire model > > Oh, I agree Achim, though it wasn't until I drove N2003 on some of the > converted GPL tracks that I was able to really appreciate some of the > advances in realism and "feel". Which is why I agree with... > > > Driving the same track in GPL and N2k3, the track will feel > > endlessly more real to me in N2k3 than it does in GPL > > I drove Zandvort in N2003 for the first time last week and it was far > *far* more enjoyable than I ever expected. It was always my favourite > track for GPL and now... well, now it doesn't feel quite the same in GPL > any more! > > I sort of feel like I've been unfaithful :-) > > Of course having been enthusiastic about N2003, I'm really excited by > the prospect of driving something a little less Nascar-flavoured in the > rumoured mod/s. Though I must admit to being confused by those mods... > why aren't Papyrus/Sierra doing it themselves and making money on it? > > All will no doubt be revealed! > > Andrew McP

I'm not "trashing" you for wanting the thing converted; I'm wielding the stick for your comment about people living in the past and that they should move on. I LIKE the past, mate! Some of the best things to ever happen to me occurred in the past (so did some of the worst, but we won't go into that!). In fact, what I just typed is now in the past. :) I also like a lot about the present - a hell of a lot. (Not too sure about the future, though.) But when it comes to racing sims, I LOVE the past, totally HATE the present. SO I don't give a rat's arse if "GPL 2" never sees the light of day. In fact, the one thing that I'm hanging out for at the moment is the 1965 mod for GPL, followed by the 1950's mod. If they both see the light of day then GPL will be on my computer well into the next century. Cheers, Pete! Bruce.

Why not?? Holding onto those things which you treasure never hurt anyone......that's why nostalgia is such big business and why (amongst other things) car manufacturers and movie makers are recycling themes, albeit with a 21st. century bent. The day that GPL ceases to give me enjoyment will be a day that it is replaced by something very, VERY special indeed. If that happens to be a mod for NASCAR2003, well and good, so long as the mod is in tune with the circuit on which it is intended to race. See, Joachim, although it probably makes no sense to you whatsoever, I use GPL a little differently to most of you. My settings are "realistic", for a start. As an example, I don't bottom-out the suspension to get the car as low as possible; I use settings which are closer to historical reality, within the constraints of the program, that is. I don't run 1967 F1 season races on anything other than the circuits that were used (including that bloody dreadful "Mickey Mouse" thing called Le Mans - Bugatti). All the add-on circuits I simply use for single races. There are a couple of other silly "conditions" to which I try and adhere but they're more to do with the teams and drivers. As far as I'm concerned, I am a "GPL fan" - NOT necessarily in the general category of "Race-Sim fan". Do you understand my idiosyncrasy now? :) Bruce. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf09nh$9n1qb$[email hidden]... > That doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, though, does it? :-) >

Have a read of his Terms and Conditions, Joachim. Bruce. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf086f$9kaca$[email hidden]... > Well all he said was he wouldn't do it himself :-) >

I can't get over the smoothness with the high level of detail. No other add-on approaching this size runs as smoothly as IoM does on my PC. Bruce. "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f13a455$[email hidden]... > It's lovely..............

ExSQUEEZE me, but I'm the one who drew r.a.s.'s attention to this wonderful effort. "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eFlQa.49399$[email hidden]... > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qqkQa.4511$G%[email hidden]... > > What's important to me (now that I understand the difference) is thetire > > modeling. I finally know what Dave Kaemmer meant when he said hecouldn't > > drive GPL any more (this was almost 2 years ago) because the tire modelis > > so primitive (read: numb). > > I suspect that DK's concept of 'primitive' and most other people's are > rather different. He may be a racer too, but at the end of the day he has > the heart of an engineer, and he probably feels that, quite rightly, the > stuff he's built since gpl is better. His 'best' project will veryprobably

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> be his latest one, just like every other engineer. > > gpl has plenty of flaws & faults, it could be better in alot of ways, but > right now if you want to run the IOM circuit, you're going to have to load > up gpl. There are worse things you could do, Steve, and believe me, it's > worth it. > > Malc. > >

Hear! Hear! "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf08jj$9j1as$[email hidden]... > You know, guys, I've always felt that there's hardly ever a racecarunsuited > to a certain track or track type. Rather, it's the drivers who areunsuited > to the cars, or who don't have real racing blood in their veins, becausein

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> all modesty, if you're a racer, you take the vehicle you can get hold of, > make the best of it and _race_ against whoever will give you a race :-) > > Achim > > P.s.: CP is one of the circuits I'm dreaming of getting converted to N2k3, > the Nascars are a _blast_ at Monaco, and the Nascar RC league I'm driving

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> has - at least in its top division - a lot less carnage than most GPL > leagues :-) > > > "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bev8tv$dvr$[email hidden]... > ... > > Jeez, you want to drive big honky NASCAR cars on the Man TT circuit of > > all places? > > > > Some people really ARE nuts (like anyone who drives that track in real > > life ;) > > > > > > Maybe the Monaco GP circuit would be an even BETTER choice for those Big > > Fa(s)t Americans, with a 30-car field! ;) Heck, no, Crystal Palace, > > that's it! <grin - imagines the carnage> > >

Carrera Panamericana! Gran Premio de Argentina! Redex Round Australia Rally! Cannonball Baker Sea-to-Shining-Sea Memorial Trophy Dash! "Kendt Eklund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Mika Takala" <[email hidden]>wrote in message news:<2zDQa.1545$[email hidden]>...

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> > > Do such weird things happen if a NR2003 track is > > > too long? The hard limit (5 miles) has been repealed, > > > yes, but is there a 'soft' limit too? Aside from lag on > > > such a memory hog of course... > > > > > > John DiFool > > > > Nascar Racing 2003 does not have a length limit on tracks. > > Mille Miglia! > Mille Miglia! > ;) > > Kendt

What Carl said! "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:beu0va$8rt0t$[email hidden]...

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> > I am SO glad that Jim has rejected all thoughts of converting this for > > NASCARxxxx. > > To do so would be utter sacrilege. > > > > Noooo. You got it all wrong. > Nascar 2003 = GPL 2. > > [The Patch is near] > | > | > > > :) > >

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<3f13787a$[email hidden]>... > However, what *I* do NOT want on MY computer is a bunch of tin-tops > bellowing around the Isle of Man and if Jim Pearson feels the same about his > circuit then I think it's wonderful. But if it became available for N2003 no-one's gonna come around and rape your PC by forcibly installing it. I think it's a little sad that you're happy about restricted choice. Our N2K3 league runs a version of Rouen with restrictor plated Cup cars and it's an absolute hoot once you get used to how bloody wide the car feels! Regards, Mark

Uh, Marc? The N2003 physics (well, N2002, actually) *were* the GPL2 physics. "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YOAQa.2892$[email hidden]...

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> Do you know something the rest of don't? > > Trans-Am physics doesn't equal GPL2 for me anyway... > > Marc > > "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:beu0va$8rt0t$[email hidden]... > > > I am SO glad that Jim has rejected all thoughts of converting this for > > > NASCARxxxx. > > > To do so would be utter sacrilege. > > > > > > > Noooo. You got it all wrong. > > Nascar 2003 = GPL 2. > > > > [The Patch is near] > > | > > | > > > > > > :) > > > > > >

He says conversions need his approval, if I understand this correctly? Achim "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Have a read of his Terms and Conditions, Joachim. > > Bruce. > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bf086f$9kaca$[email hidden]... > > Well all he said was he wouldn't do it himself :-) > > > >

He says conversions need his approval, if I understand this correctly? Achim > Have a read of his Terms and Conditions, Joachim. > Bruce. > > Well all he said was he wouldn't do it himself :-)

Hi Bruce, I see where you're coming from, and of course I respect your attitude and personal preferences. But, I'd like to race IoM in N2k3 for various reasons, and am of course not happy when I see people applauding Jim for not converting it. I think it wouldn't distract from your enjoyment of your own way of racing when others raced whatever other cars at the IoM - unless you met them there while racing? ;-) Achim "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f13e819$[email hidden]...

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> Why not?? > Holding onto those things which you treasure never hurt anyone......that's > why nostalgia is such big business and why (amongst other things) car > manufacturers and movie makers are recycling themes, albeit with a 21st. > century bent. > > The day that GPL ceases to give me enjoyment will be a day that it is > replaced by something very, VERY special indeed. > If that happens to be a mod for NASCAR2003, well and good, so long as the > mod is in tune with the circuit on which it is intended to race. > > See, Joachim, although it probably makes no sense to you whatsoever, I use > GPL a little differently to most of you. > My settings are "realistic", for a start. > As an example, I don't bottom-out the suspension to get the car as low as > possible; I use settings which are closer to historical reality, within

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> they're more to do with the teams and drivers. > > As far as I'm concerned, I am a "GPL fan" - NOT necessarily in the general > category of "Race-Sim fan". > > Do you understand my idiosyncrasy now? :) > > Bruce. > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bf09nh$9n1qb$[email hidden]... > > That doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, though, does it? :-) > > > >

Yeah, the seascape coming down into Douglas is incredible! Rarely have there been any ocean views in GPL (E. London is the only example I can think of, altho there have been others in Papy sims: Detroit, Cleveland, Surfers). It looks like it took a thousand monks a thousand years to finish all the details. Entire villages! It reminds me of the scenery in Mobil 1 Rally Championship. The textures! The colors! It's the polar opposite of what Alison Hine once coldly dismissed as "tree wallpaper" in some lame fantasy track. What a lovely romp! I don't think there's ever been as magnificent a track for GPL...including the original 11. "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f13a455$[email hidden]... > It's lovely. With the occasional sea view, the varied roadsideattractions > and the occasional pub, it has a feel much like the most beautiful stagesof > the visually stunning Rally Championship. It's also bloody terrifying at > speed in a prancing horse. > > Stephen > >

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f13e480$[email hidden]... <snip> > But when it comes to racing sims, I LOVE the past, totally HATE thepresent. > SO I don't give a rat's arse if "GPL 2" never sees the light of day. > In fact, the one thing that I'm hanging out for at the moment is the 1965 > mod for GPL, followed by the 1950's mod. > > If they both see the light of day then GPL will be on my computer wellinto > the next century. > > Cheers, Pete! > > Bruce. > But what if the 1950's mod is created using Nascar 2003 as platform? If it in one month becomes evident that the N2k3 platform is similar to GPL but easier to mod, I'd be surprised if the modders doesn't switch platform much like the F1-200X modders now use F1C. To me, it isn't a big deal how they create it. I'm just happy to be here when it happens :-) Cheers, Carl

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>"Mika Takala" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<2zDQa.1545$[email hidden]>... >> > Do such weird things happen if a NR2003 track is >> > too long? The hard limit (5 miles) has been repealed, >> > yes, but is there a 'soft' limit too? Aside from lag on >> > such a memory hog of course... >> > >> > John DiFool >> >> Nascar Racing 2003 does not have a length limit on tracks. > >Mille Miglia! >Mille Miglia! >;) > >Kendt

If you gonna do it, do it. One Lap of America.

Joachim Trensz wrote: > You know, guys, I've always felt that there's hardly ever a racecar unsuited > to a certain track or track type. Rather, it's the drivers who are unsuited > to the cars, or who don't have real racing blood in their veins, because in > all modesty, if you're a racer, you take the vehicle you can get hold of, > make the best of it and _race_ against whoever will give you a race :-) > Achim, I own and race a prokart. These karts are the_most_disgusting_to_drive racing vehicles available, but probably the cheapest (one of anyway) form of motor racing you can get involved in. Real world racing being very expensive, I just have to make do with the old prokark in all it's disgustingness! But at least in sim racing I can afford to exercise my preference! :) > Achim > > P.s.: CP is one of the circuits I'm dreaming of getting converted to N2k3, > the Nascars are a _blast_ at Monaco, and the Nascar RC league I'm driving in > has - at least in its top division - a lot less carnage than most GPL > leagues :-) Sounds like fun. :) Did I tell you I met one of the top GPL'ers at Goodwood last year? Well what a disappointment that was! The guys was an utter nerd, and with his veal crate complexion, he looked like he'd spent the last four years alone in his room hotlapping. Gerry

Carl Ribbegaardh wrote: > > Simply because the physics as far as I understand it will be open for > modifications. > :-) Open yes, but it might have some limits that we're not aware of yet simply because we haven't tried to model a vehicle that differs that much from a Nascar Stocker, and while we done some work on the physics, I really don't know the answers to that Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Hi Gerry, I'll reply to that in a private mail :-) Achim "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > You know, guys, I've always felt that there's hardly ever a racecarunsuited > > to a certain track or track type. Rather, it's the drivers who areunsuited > > to the cars, or who don't have real racing blood in their veins, becausein > > all modesty, if you're a racer, you take the vehicle you can get holdof,

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> > has - at least in its top division - a lot less carnage than most GPL > > leagues :-) > > Sounds like fun. :) > > Did I tell you I met one of the top GPL'ers at Goodwood last year? Well > what a disappointment that was! The guys was an utter nerd, and with his > veal crate complexion, he looked like he'd spent the last four years > alone in his room hotlapping. > > Gerry > >

Joachim Trensz wrote: > He says conversions need his approval, if I understand this correctly? Just out of interest, and not wanting to stir up a hornets nest, are the rights to the real TT circuit owned by anyone? Gerry

"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > He says conversions need his approval, if I understand this correctly? > > Just out of interest, and not wanting to stir up a hornets nest, are the > rights to the real TT circuit owned by anyone? I sometimes wonder that about 3rd party tracks too, but I don't worry too much about it, and I guess the track makers know what they're doing ;-) The IOM circuit is a public road course except for about 50ft of someone's driveway iirc, so I doubt anyone will be bothered, plus technically it's not the IOM, so in this particular case it wouldn't be an issue anyway. Damn well looks like it though ;-) Malc.

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> "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>Joachim Trensz wrote: >> >>>He says conversions need his approval, if I understand this correctly? >> >>Just out of interest, and not wanting to stir up a hornets nest, are the >> rights to the real TT circuit owned by anyone? > > > I sometimes wonder that about 3rd party tracks too, but I don't worry too > much about it, and I guess the track makers know what they're doing ;-) > > The IOM circuit is a public road course except for about 50ft of someone's > driveway iirc, so I doubt anyone will be bothered, plus technically it's not > the IOM, so in this particular case it wouldn't be an issue anyway. > > Damn well looks like it though ;-) > > Malc. > >

Oh of course, public roads! You're right. I went to Goodwood festival os speed last year, and there was a GPL stand there with some BRD racing frames setup with computers running GPL and a version of the goodwood hill climb course. I asked if the track was being released to the public, but was told Lord March had banned any public use! Tight git! Maybe he thought sony would give him a better deal, inbred twat! I'll never go to another FOS, it's a rip-off in my opinion. Gerry

I have no idea. However, I agree with the others, it's all public roads. Someone might own the name, but probably not the track. Achim "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Joachim Trensz wrote: > > He says conversions need his approval, if I understand this correctly? > > Just out of interest, and not wanting to stir up a hornets nest, are the > rights to the real TT circuit owned by anyone? > > Gerry >

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> > That doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, though, does it? :-) > > I still remember with awe and fascination the small yellow Lotus cars racing > against Opel Diplomats, the modified Fiats, Cobras (some of them drove home > on the public streets after the race), the Triumphs, Austin Healeys or MG's > and all the others race around the Norisring in the era ~40 years ago. I can > actually still see some of the racing scenes before me. And I can hear the > awesome sounds of I forget what they were called at the time - prototypes? > Single-seaters with a sound that shook your bones so deeply you'd bite your > teeth to prevent them from getting shaken out :-) > > But I'll also recognise when something new and good is coming my way in > terms of racing, and I'll enjoy it with just as much pleasure as I enjoyed > those ancient racecars :-) > > Achim > > P.s.: AAMOF, Nascar technology should send pleasant shudders down the spine > of anyone adoring racing history :-) (no offense to Nascars meant) :-)

Wow, you're almost as old as Bruce aren't you ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

See next couple of posts in this thread, Carl. Bruce. "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf0uft$a1j97$[email hidden]... > > > But what if the 1950's mod is created using Nascar 2003 as platform? >

I'd say that there's probably little chance of that happening, Joachim. I've dabbled in on-line racing but, due to personal time constraints, usually end up giving it away. RASCAR is the most recent example. I "drive" for the entertainment and if the AI is half reasonable, that's fine by me. In GPL I get the vast majority of my pleasure simply by the excellence of tracks such as IoM. But your point is valid - about converting IoM. But then so is that of the person who created it and I endorse his personal wishes concerning no NASCAR tin on the course. You never know - if someone creates a superb mod for historic GP cars he might well change his mind. Bruce. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf0r78$9qbvb$[email hidden]... > I think it wouldn't distract from your enjoyment of your own way of racing > when others raced whatever other cars at the IoM - unless you met themthere > while racing? ;-)

Sad? Hmmm.....maybe, Mark. But then so would be the situation of someone "raping" the creation of one simply to satisfy their own desires, I s'pose. I'm not "happy about restricted choice", Mark, I'm happy to support someone who doesn't want their work bastardised because they prefer not to have that happen. And as one who has some artistic ability, I can understand from where Jim is coming. Bruce. "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > But if it became available for N2003 no-one's gonna come around and > rape your PC by forcibly installing it. I think it's a little sad > that you're happy about restricted choice.

Or maybe he didn't want it commercialised, bastardised and any other "-ised" that you care to insert. If anyone is a "twat" (which down here is slang for the female sex organ), I'd say that you're exhibiting a few traits with that post. Bruce. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Tight git! Maybe he thought sony would give him a better deal, inbred > twat! I'll never go to another FOS, it's a rip-off in my opinion.

Correct. Some difference between the meaning of that clause and saying that "he wouldn't do it himself". Bruce. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf0r77$9qbvb$[email hidden]... > He says conversions need his approval, if I understand this correctly?

I have no idea how old Bruce is. However, I certainly _look_ younger than you <g> Achim "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > Wow, you're almost as old as Bruce aren't you ?

Doesn't mean it's never gonna be converted either, right? ;-) Achim "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Correct. > Some difference between the meaning of that clause and saying that "he > wouldn't do it himself".

Joachim Trensz wrote: > > I have no idea how old Bruce is. However, I certainly _look_ younger than > you <g> Wouldn't surprise me if it were true.....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> >> Do such weird things happen if a NR2003 track is >> too long? The hard limit (5 miles) has been repealed, >> yes, but is there a 'soft' limit too? Aside from lag on >> such a memory hog of course... >> >> John DiFool > >Nascar Racing 2003 does not have a length limit on tracks.

Duhh... :-p If you will read my question more carefully, I was wondering if there was a point in NR2003 where the game engine starts getting wonky if the track is too long. No addon tracks for NR'03 exceed 5 miles (currently), I presume because the track designers didn't know about the hard limit going bye-bye until right before the game was released 6 months ago. Yes the 'Ring runs fine (if you have sufficient RAM, natch). JD

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>Yeah, the seascape coming down into Douglas is incredible! Rarely have >there been any ocean views in GPL (E. London is the only example I can think >of, altho there have been others in Papy sims: Detroit, Cleveland, Surfers). >It looks like it took a thousand monks a thousand years to finish all the >details. Entire villages! It reminds me of the scenery in Mobil 1 Rally >Championship. The textures! The colors! It's the polar opposite of what >Alison Hine once coldly dismissed as "tree wallpaper" in some lame fantasy >track. What a lovely romp! I don't think there's ever been as magnificent >a track for GPL...including the original 11. >

The beauty of the track goes without saying. It's a pain in the *ss to drive tho (and I mean that in the best possible way!) because oftentimes you are having to brake while in a turn to make the next (slower) corner, and for someone hopeless like me I'm constantly spinning out because of how braking affects a car which is turning. For the aliens out there this certainly isn't a problem... JD

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf1una$a2utu$[email hidden]... > Doesn't mean it's never gonna be converted either, right? ;-) Of course not. I think you need to check back to see what this thread is about. Here I'll help you: ______________________ "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:raeQa.6$[email hidden]... > Steve, is this going to be converted over to N2003? Not without Jim's permission, his readme is pretty specific about that. Malc. ______________________ HTH, Malc.

Pffff! A kiddy-car event, little more exciting than The Great Race, i.e., okay if you like stately touring in legally-licensed street iron. "A.M.Tronic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 14 Jul 2003 18:33:40 -0700, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) > wrote: > > >"Mika Takala" <[email hidden]>wrote in message news:<2zDQa.1545$[email hidden]>...

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Exactly - it's like a higher-speed Nurburgring...with pubs. "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:31:37 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Yeah, the seascape coming down into Douglas is incredible! Rarely have > >there been any ocean views in GPL (E. London is the only example I canthink > >of, altho there have been others in Papy sims: Detroit, Cleveland,Surfers). > >It looks like it took a thousand monks a thousand years to finish all the > >details. Entire villages! It reminds me of the scenery in Mobil 1 Rally > >Championship. The textures! The colors! It's the polar opposite ofwhat > >Alison Hine once coldly dismissed as "tree wallpaper" in some lamefantasy > >track. What a lovely romp! I don't think there's ever been asmagnificent

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> >a track for GPL...including the original 11. > > > > The beauty of the track goes without saying. > > It's a pain in the *ss to drive tho (and I mean that in the > best possible way!) because oftentimes you are having to brake > while in a turn to make the next (slower) corner, and for someone > hopeless like me I'm constantly spinning out because of how > braking affects a car which is turning. For the aliens out there > this certainly isn't a problem... > > JD >

John, why are you saying that no add-on tracks exceed 5 miles when the Nurburgring is 14.16 miles long? Sorry, just trying to understand. Achim "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > No addon tracks for NR'03 exceed 5 miles > (currently)... > Yes the 'Ring runs fine (if you have sufficient RAM, > natch).

Hi Malc, I appreciate your help <g> but maybe you need to read the thread more thoroughly yourself ;-) as you'll then find that I'm neither replying to Pete's nor to your statement, but to a little statement from Bruce, which went like this: > P.S. > I am SO glad that Jim has rejected all thoughts of converting this for > NASCARxxxx. > To do so would be utter sacrilege. Maybe I misunderstood Bruce, but I wanted to point out that Jim's only said he won't do it himself, and that any conversions made by others need his prior consent. I.e., he might one day give his permission to someone else, when someone asks. All my replies regarding that topic are in that little sub-branch of this thread. Achim "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rL%Qa.48088$[email hidden]...

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> "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bf1una$a2utu$[email hidden]... > > Doesn't mean it's never gonna be converted either, right? ;-) > > Of course not. I think you need to check back to see what this thread is > about. > > Here I'll help you: > > ______________________ > > "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:raeQa.6$[email hidden]... > > Steve, is this going to be converted over to N2003? > > Not without Jim's permission, his readme is pretty specific about that. > > Malc. > > ______________________ > > HTH, Malc. > >

Joachim Trensz wrote: > to a certain track or track type. Rather, it's the drivers who are unsuited > to the cars, or who don't have real racing blood in their veins, because in > all modesty, if you're a racer, you take the vehicle you can get hold of, > make the best of it and _race_ against whoever will give you a race :-) Hear hear! Now, take that Solex moped out and let's have a hillclimb! ;) > P.s.: CP is one of the circuits I'm dreaming of getting converted to N2k3, > the Nascars are a _blast_ at Monaco, and the Nascar RC league I'm driving in > has - at least in its top division - a lot less carnage than most GPL > leagues :-) Yeah well Achim, it has to be said of course, that modern-day Nascar cars are for wussies compared to 1967's open-wheeled no-grip death rockets, ok? ;) Regards, Rudy (GPLRank -0.89)

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > But when it comes to racing sims, I LOVE the past, totally HATE the present. > SO I don't give a rat's arse if "GPL 2" never sees the light of day. Ummm... Not quite sure I grasp this comment, at least in the 'reasons why'-department. I'm deeply into GPL as well, and am much less 'into' Nascar (being European, although I do have Nascar 4), but if an N2003 mod yields an even better GPL-type sim since basically it's an updated GPL physics model, what's there to hate about that, really? Just wonderin'... Besides, with tracks like Interlagos, Charade & Man just released for GPL, can't say I resent the present-day sim world, mate! Reards, Rudy (GPLRank -0.89)

Steve Smith wrote: > Carrera Panamericana! Gran Premio de Argentina! Redex Round Australia > Rally! Cannonball Baker Sea-to-Shining-Sea Memorial Trophy Dash! Cannonball Run, Smokey & the Bandit, Dukes of Hazzard and the Boonta Classic! >>Mille Miglia! >>Mille Miglia! Regards, Ruud

Steve Smith wrote: > Exactly - it's like a higher-speed Nurburgring...with pubs. Hmmm, if I were the proprietors of said establishments I'd be a little worried then - "Uh oh, here come the GPL'ers, remember what they did to the little french fries bar at Masta?" Regards, Rudy (GPLRank -0.89)

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > Or maybe he didn't want it commercialised, bastardised and any other "-ised" > that you care to insert. > > If anyone is a "twat" (which down here is slang for the female sex organ), > I'd say that you're exhibiting a few traits with that post. His Lordship is generally accepted to be a twat by the locals. Are the two of you related? He didn't want the GPL track released because it was free, and he wouldn't make any money (like he hasn't got enough!) out of it.

Wot, you drive a VeloSolex and call _me_ a wussie? <g> Achim "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf2nsd$coe$[email hidden]... > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > to a certain track or track type. Rather, it's the drivers who areunsuited > > to the cars, or who don't have real racing blood in their veins, becausein > > all modesty, if you're a racer, you take the vehicle you can get holdof, > > make the best of it and _race_ against whoever will give you a race :-) > > > Hear hear! Now, take that Solex moped out and let's have a hillclimb! ;) > > > P.s.: CP is one of the circuits I'm dreaming of getting converted toN2k3, > > the Nascars are a _blast_ at Monaco, and the Nascar RC league I'mdriving in

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Ruud, even the original N2k3 with the converted road circuits is a better GPL, as the physics really are what GPL2 could have been. Not to mention that graphics and sound have also been improved since GPL. Achim "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf2og1$hsp$[email hidden]... ... > if an N2003 mod yields an even better GPL-type > sim since basically it's an updated GPL physics > model, what's there to hate about that, really?

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Ah, a good old fashioned (right up our alley then Bruce :-) slagging match, been a while since we had a good one in here, and I'm all out of pop corn.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> Hi Malc, > > I appreciate your help <g> but maybe you need to read the thread more > thoroughly yourself ;-) as you'll then find that I'm neither replying to > Pete's nor to your statement, but to a little statement from Bruce, which > went like this: > > > P.S. > > I am SO glad that Jim has rejected all thoughts of converting this for > > NASCARxxxx. > > To do so would be utter sacrilege. > > Maybe I misunderstood Bruce, but I wanted to point out that Jim's only

said > he won't do it himself, and that any conversions made by others need his > prior consent. I.e., he might one day give his permission to someone else, > when someone asks. > > All my replies regarding that topic are in that little sub-branch of this > thread. I certainly wouldn't disagree, that point is where Bruce & I differ. Sorry for coming down so hard on you :-( There are literally hundreds of great tracks for gpl, it annoys me somewhat that there seems to be so much chat about converting the one (to my knowledge) track where the maker has specifically put their opinion across on the matter. Malc.

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Sad? > Hmmm.....maybe, Mark. > But then so would be the situation of someone "raping" the creation of one > simply to satisfy their own desires, I s'pose. But the creation wouldn't be changed in the slightest. It's the chance to drive different cars on the same track. The track is the creation. I have no idea about the motivations of the creator, or even if he is against other sims making use of his track, but I sure as hell know that if *I* had spend hours/days/months on creating a great track, I'd want to drive it in anything I could get my hands on. > I'm not "happy about restricted choice", Mark, I'm happy to support someone > who doesn't want their work bastardised because they prefer not to have that > happen. Still not sure about how driving a different car on an unchanged track can be considered: A - A bastardisation (the track is not changed) B - Anything other than positive. As others have posted, the N2K3 physics can bring GPL tracks to life in a way not possible with GPL itself. > And as one who has some artistic ability, I can understand from where Jim is > coming. To set out my stall, then. I have little artistic ability but I do have enthusiasm and have contributed, albeit in a very small way, to the sim-racing world by helping run a couple of leagues (costs me time *and* money) and painting cars for members. Also I've had the pleasure of being involved - again only in a minor way - with a privateer race team creating mock-ups in N2K3 for the team's sponsorship proposals. *If* Jim is wanting this to be a GPL-only production, I can *not* understand where he's coming from. In no way do I want this to be a NASCAR vs historic F1 discussion. It would be great to see the track converted for F1C which would open up even more possibilities for different hardware to be blatted around the superb course. To labour the point even more ;)... How can willingly restricting the audience for such a great creation be in any way a positive thing? Regards, Mark

Malc wrote: > > There are literally hundreds of great tracks for gpl, it annoys me somewhat > that there seems to be so much chat about converting the one (to my > knowledge) track where the maker has specifically put their opinion across > on the matter. Well, until someone else figures out how to do it, it's safe Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

What is it that you don't understand? What I'm saying is that GPL, as it currently sits, gives me what I want - an extremely enjoyable playable history lesson. I don't *need* any other versions of GPL in order to continue my enjoyment - thus the reason for my statement that I don't care whether "GPL2" eventuates or not. If it does - fine. If it doesn't - fine too. Bruce. "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf2og1$hsp$[email hidden]... > > Ummm... Not quite sure I grasp this comment, at least in the 'reasons > why'-department.

85 this November. Or is it 86? Hard to keep track, some days. Bruce. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf1ukv$a3c61$[email hidden]... > I have no idea how old Bruce is.

He told you that, personally, did he Gerry? And no, sadly, we aren't related. Not that I'm aware but if you can dig up some proof I'd be most happy to pop over to the ancestral home and have a chat with His Lordship. Bruce. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > He didn't want the GPL track released because it was free, and he > wouldn't make any money (like he hasn't got enough!) out of it. > >

Hat's off to you then, Sir :-) Achim "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f1532b9$[email hidden]...

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Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > He told you that, personally, did he Gerry? > > And no, sadly, we aren't related. Not that I'm aware but if you can dig up > some proof I'd be most happy to pop over to the ancestral home and have a > chat with His Lordship. Pffft, booooring Byron, could you come over to this thread please, ? :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > He told you that, personally, did he Gerry? Now let me think... No, not exactly. But I can think of no other GOOD reason why it's public use should have been restricted to one weekend last summer. > And no, sadly, we aren't related. Not that I'm aware but if you can dig up > some proof I'd be most happy to pop over to the ancestral home and have a > chat with His Lordship. Whatever... Why does me not liking Lord March and calling him a twat (you should hear what Jody Scheckter says about him and his FOS) make you want to chime in in such a abrasive manner? Gerry

Gentlemen, you can't fight here. This is the War Room! "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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>John, why are you saying that no add-on tracks exceed 5 miles when the >Nurburgring is 14.16 miles long? Sorry, just trying to understand. > >Achim > > >"John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >... >> No addon tracks for NR'03 exceed 5 miles >> (currently)... >> Yes the 'Ring runs fine (if you have sufficient RAM, >> natch). >

[bottom posting] I clearly did allude to the 'Ring in my post above-why are people misconstruing what I'm saying? The 'Ring (semantic nitpick) isn't an "addon track made specifically/originally for NR2003", as it was made for GPL. I haven't seen a USER- made track that long so far-all are under 5 miles. I'll ask this on the Pits board where I'm sure to get a straight answer... :-p JD

Steve Smith wrote: > Exactly - it's like a higher-speed Nurburgring...with pubs. Now that's funny! :)

Steve Smith wrote: > > Gentlemen, you can't fight here. This is the War Room! Oh I don't fight, I just instigate them Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Joachim Trensz wrote: > Wot, you drive a VeloSolex and call _me_ a wussie? <g> Heck no, in real life, a Solex is way too scary for me! ;) Regards, Rudy (GPLRank -0.89)

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > What is it that you don't understand? Well, the part where you said that as for racing sims you hate the present. Or did you mean that you like the fact that GPL takes place in the past (when things were more interesting in some respects), instead of referring to current "GPL2" developments? Regards, Rudy (GPLRank -0.89) > What I'm saying is that GPL, as it currently sits, gives me what I want - an > extremely enjoyable playable history lesson.

Thanks for the explanation. I wasn't construing anything btw, I was just asking because I hadn't understood. As for the longer add-on tracks - I'd guess the longer the track, the longer it takes to create the track and all the environment involved. Maybe N2k3 simply isn't hasn't been available for long enough time for someone to already have created a really long track for N2k3 - considering that IoM took a year to create, and anyone creating for N2k3 will first have to learn how to make tracks for this sim as well. Achim "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > NR2003", as it was made for GPL. I haven't seen a USER- > made track that long so far-all are under 5 miles. I'll ask this > on the Pits board where I'm sure to get a straight answer... :-p

I thought a Solex was a carburettor? Why would it be scary? Bruce. "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf49u8$jpe$[email hidden]... > Heck no, in real life, a Solex is way too scary for me! ;) >

Yes, Ruud. That's about it. I cannot stand modern F1, for example, and the Aussie V8 series is a travesty of what touring car racing used to be like back in the late 1960's through the 1970's and into the 1980's. Once again, as we old blokes have seen, it's motor racing tailored for TV. Because F1 of the mid 1950's through the 1960's is part of my real world I associate very strongly with it. That was the time, after all, when I developed an interest in motor racing - F1 in particular. Jack Brabham becoming world champ also helped to amplify that interest. It is a known fact amongst those who study human behaviour that the things and events with which we are most comfortable and with which we have the closest associations all stem from our formative years, particularly those between the ages of 10 and 25. After that period we settle into a groove and, even as the years pass, we look back on our youth with mostly fond memories....rose coloured glasses, for sure, but that's the way our brains work. So that's why I love that period in motor racing, because that's when my association started. Now, if N2003 could spin off mods for F1 of the 1950's when those glorious Lancia, Mercedes, Ferrari, Maserati, BRM, Vanwall etc cars were in the forefront, I'd become a drooling fool (or drooling more than I do at the moment). Or if mods such as the Can-Am of the 1960's and the Trans-Am of the 1960's were developed, I'd become a gibbering idiot. I love most of the technology of the present day and if that can be put to good use in giving us historical simulations, that's fabulous in my book. Regards, Bruce. "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf4a82$me8$[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > Or did you mean that you like the fact that GPL takes place in the past > (when things were more interesting in some respects), instead of > referring to current "GPL2" developments?

LOL! "How I learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb".......right, Dimitri? :) Bruce. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GYeRa.122686$[email hidden]... > Gentlemen, you can't fight here. This is the War Room!

Aaah! Well, that's totally different then, I'm sure you'd agree. You THINK that's the reason. That's how nasty, vicious and often damaging rumours start, you know. And your not liking His Lordship and referring to him as you did irks me because you make an immediate, on-the-spot determination about the personality of someone you've never, ever had a conversation with and that assessment is based on innuendo, gossip and third-party "information". I don't know what Lord March is like; he could be the Devil Incarnate or the Angel Gabriel but until I actually met, conversed with and had some on-going interaction with the person I would keep my mind wide-open. That's a philosophy which has stood me in good stead all my adult life, in both business and personal relationships. Bruce. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > No, not exactly. But I can think of no other GOOD reason why it's public > use should have been restricted to one weekend last summer. > > Why does me not liking Lord March and calling him a twat (you should > hear what Jody Scheckter says about him and his FOS) make you want to > chime in in such a abrasive manner?

Speaking of pubs......... At one of the races at Longford (Tasmania) back in the 1950's, Lex Davidson's car conked out at the corner on which the Longford pub stood, so Lex hopped out, went into the bar and spent the rest of the race having a few beers and spectating from a window! http://big.business.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/Retro/Images/Tasman/longf59b.jpg http://big.business.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/Retro/Images/Tasman/longf59.jpg http://big.business.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/Retro/Images/Tasman/longfrd.jpg http://big.business.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/Retro/Images/Tasman/longfd.jpg http://big.business.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/Retro/Images/Tasman/longf59a.jpg Now THAT is motor racing, folks! Bruce. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b22Ra.117623$[email hidden]... > Exactly - it's like a higher-speed Nurburgring...with pubs.

http://www.solexoldtimer.de/ :-) "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f15c955$[email hidden]... > I thought a Solex was a carburettor? > Why would it be scary? > > Bruce.

Aaaah! Now I understand. :) Bruce. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf4k4d$am5h9$[email hidden]...

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> > Now, if N2003 could spin off mods for F1 of the 1950's when those glorious > Lancia, Mercedes, Ferrari, Maserati, BRM, Vanwall etc cars were in the > forefront, I'd become a drooling fool (or drooling more than I do at the > moment). > Or if mods such as the Can-Am of the 1960's and the Trans-Am of the 1960's > were developed, I'd become a gibbering idiot. >

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > Aaah! Well, that's totally different then, I'm sure you'd agree. > You THINK that's the reason. > That's how nasty, vicious and often damaging rumours start, you know. In a free society I'm free to theorize. What's your best guess? Or are you to shy to form an opinion on this issue? > And your not liking His Lordship and referring to him as you did irks me > because you make an immediate, on-the-spot determination about the > personality of someone you've never, ever had a conversation with and that > assessment is based on innuendo, gossip and third-party "information". I don't like his views, which, BTW, are in the public domain. He has been exhibited a few traits of twatism over the years. I think GWB is a twat too, never met the chap of course, but I still think he's a draft dodging twat. Although I don't know for sure he dodged the draft, I only heard it third hand! > I don't know what Lord March is like; he could be the Devil Incarnate or the > Angel Gabriel but until I actually met, conversed with and had some on-going > interaction with the person I would keep my mind wide-open. So you don't know if he's a twat or not. But your happy to form an opinion about me, although we've never met!? Your happy to form that opinion on only what I've posted here? But in your humble opinion, I'm wrong to pass judgment on his Lordship formed on what he has written and done over the years, it that right, is that your POV? > That's a philosophy which has stood me in good stead all my adult life, in > both business and personal relationships. So Hitler wasn't evil, IYO, because the facts are all third party? You never met the chap, don't forget! Oh yeah, also remember that I lives near Goodwood for the first twenty years of my life!

Who's "GWB", Gerry? As for the rest of your post, as you say, you're entitled to your opinions, certainly. It's how you go about forming them that may be open to question. I have no opinion on Lord March; I know less about him than I do about Kim Il Sung. And I said that your were exhibiting some twatish traits....not that you *are* one. A big difference, old chap. I have no opinion of you - for all I know you could be a 22 year old female mouldscraper who collects butterflies and likes crocheting. Then again you might well be the 65 year-old gatekeeper at Goodwood and have a beef about the Lord. There is no way of knowing and that's a reason why I do NOT form opinions about those I come across on the 'net: I will critique what they *SAY*, not who or what they might (or might not) be. Bruce.

There have only been a couple of scratch-built N2003 tracks. Most are conversions. I'm guessing most track designers are waiting for the track-building tools alledgedly part of the forthcoming N2003 patch. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf4f32$b7lmn$[email hidden]... > Thanks for the explanation. I wasn't construing anything btw, I was just > asking because I hadn't understood. > > As for the longer add-on tracks - I'd guess the longer the track, thelonger > it takes to create the track and all the environment involved. Maybe N2k3 > simply isn't hasn't been available for long enough time for someone to > already have created a really long track for N2k3 - considering that IoM > took a year to create, and anyone creating for N2k3 will first have tolearn

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> how to make tracks for this sim as well. > > Achim > > > "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > ... > > NR2003", as it was made for GPL. I haven't seen a USER- > > made track that long so far-all are under 5 miles. I'll ask this > > on the Pits board where I'm sure to get a straight answer... :-p > > >

Thirded! "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf4vdj$b4kse$[email hidden]... > Seconded! > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Now, if N2003 could spin off mods for F1 of the 1950's when thoseglorious > > Lancia, Mercedes, Ferrari, Maserati, BRM, Vanwall etc cars were in the > > forefront, I'd become a drooling fool (or drooling more than I do at the > > moment). > > Or if mods such as the Can-Am of the 1960's and the Trans-Am of the1960's > > were developed, I'd become a gibbering idiot. > > > >

Don't click on these images unless you love pop-ups. Great piccies, tho. Longford looks to be one of the few tracks left that would make a sterling (NOT stirling!) addition to GPL. "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f15d294$[email hidden]... > Speaking of pubs......... > > At one of the races at Longford (Tasmania) back in the 1950's, Lex > Davidson's car conked out at the corner on which the Longford pub stood,so

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> Lex hopped out, went into the bar and spent the rest of the race having a > few beers and spectating from a window! > http://big.business.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/Retro/Images/Tasman/longf59b.jpg > > http://big.business.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/Retro/Images/Tasman/longf59.jpg > > http://big.business.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/Retro/Images/Tasman/longfrd.jpg > > http://big.business.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/Retro/Images/Tasman/longfd.jpg > > http://big.business.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/Retro/Images/Tasman/longf59a.jpg > > Now THAT is motor racing, folks! > > Bruce. > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b22Ra.117623$[email hidden]... > > Exactly - it's like a higher-speed Nurburgring...with pubs. > > >

Steve, weren't most of these ovals, except Bathurst and Queensland? I.e., most of these scratch built tracks won't exceed the 5 mile limit because, well, because ovals don't get that long? :-) Achim "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BuwRa.24971$G%[email hidden]... > There have only been a couple of scratch-built N2003 tracks. Most are > conversions. I'm guessing most track designers are waiting for the > track-building tools alledgedly part of the forthcoming N2003 patch.

Bruce You're clearly one of the world's great undiscovered philosophers! Gerry

> Now, if N2003 could spin off mods for F1 of the 1950's when those glorious > Lancia, Mercedes, Ferrari, Maserati, BRM, Vanwall etc cars were in the > forefront, I'd become a drooling fool (or drooling more than I do at the > moment). > Or if mods such as the Can-Am of the 1960's and the Trans-Am of the 1960's > were developed, I'd become a gibbering idiot. And wouldn't it be nice to have this TT circuit ready and running for those car... ;-) Regards, Mark

Sorry, ovals don't even show up on my radar. I meant the new road circuits...which aren't over 5 miles, either (except for conversions like the Nurburgring). All I meant to imply is that nobody's going to expend a lot of time and effort to create any new tracks with a whole set of (free) tools supposedly right around the corner. Thereafter, I reckon, we'll quickly discover what limitations are built in. I'd hope for a 24-hour race with GT Prototypes and production GTs, but who knows? "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6b61$bhdgr$[email hidden]...

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> Steve, weren't most of these ovals, except Bathurst and Queensland? I.e., > most of these scratch built tracks won't exceed the 5 mile limit because, > well, because ovals don't get that long? :-) > > Achim > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BuwRa.24971$G%[email hidden]... > > There have only been a couple of scratch-built N2003 tracks. Most are > > conversions. I'm guessing most track designers are waiting for the > > track-building tools alledgedly part of the forthcoming N2003 patch. > > >

Even if he doesn't know Dubya from Ludwig Wittgenstein. ;o) "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce > > You're clearly one of the world's great undiscovered philosophers! > > Gerry >

Steve > Even if he doesn't know Dubya from Ludwig Wittgenstein. ;o) Shame Dubya didn't remain one the great undiscovered ********** of your time! I say '**********' because I don't want Bruce's childlike innocence to be adulterated by the knowledge that *** and ***** are one and the same. ;) Gerry

Steve Shame Dubya didn't remain one the great undiscovered ********** of your time! I say '**********' because I don't want Bruce's childlike innocence to be ***erated by the knowledge that *** and ***** are one and the same. ;) Gerry

Oh...HIM! Down Here we just refer to the US President as "Bush" (or if one is a respected, serious journalist then it's "President Bush"). We don't use the nick-names or acronyms which are predominant in the North Americas, or even in Europe, I imagine. In fact, most of the time I think that we try and ignore him. ("We" being the general populace, not necessarily the politicians). Oh...and thanks so much for the "childlike innocence" bit, Gerry. Most quaint. Bruce.

Has that site now incorporated pop-ups, Steve? :( (I have a filter, so was not aware of it). Sorry about that.....if I ever get the time I'll move that entire collection to my current server. But you're correct, Longford, if created with the same artistic flair as IoM, would make wonderful addition; Reims with a few more wiggly bits! It's very picturesque and if set in the late 1950's - mid 1960's it would be delightful. (That section of track passing under the railway viaduct is bloody dangerous, though!) Bruce. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MAwRa.24973$G%[email hidden]... > Don't click on these images unless you love pop-ups. Great piccies, tho.

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> > Has that site now incorporated pop-ups, Steve? :( > (I have a filter, so was not aware of it). > Sorry about that.....if I ever get the time I'll move that entire collection > to my current server. > > But you're correct, Longford, if created with the same artistic flair as > IoM, would make wonderful addition; Reims with a few more wiggly bits! > It's very picturesque and if set in the late 1950's - mid 1960's it would be > delightful. > (That section of track passing under the railway viaduct is bloody > dangerous, though!)

Thx for the links Bruce, never saw any pop-up's here, but then again I use a decent browser with built in pop-up killer, and yes, the site works just fine in Opera :-) I loved the crossing :-), reminds of that movie Brewster's Millions or whatever, where they had a rail road track going through the Baseball park Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> >Among the GPL beta testers we were an extremely dedicated and enthusiastic >bunch for GPL at the time. And at its time, GPL was no doubt the best ever, >and it's still a milestone in physics modelling, and online capability. >There's no doubt about it. > >But, life goes on, and you've got to move on with it - or else you'll be >left behind, hold everyone else up, and miss a lot of the good stuff that's >happening.

<Gasps> You've gone over to the dark side!?!?!? The king of the hotlap in a NASCAR? :-) John

Are you the John Wallace late of GPL "Beta Busters" fame? "John Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:11:24 +0200, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Among the GPL beta testers we were an extremely dedicated andenthusiastic > >bunch for GPL at the time. And at its time, GPL was no doubt the bestever, > >and it's still a milestone in physics modelling, and online capability. > >There's no doubt about it. > > > >But, life goes on, and you've got to move on with it - or else you'll be > >left behind, hold everyone else up, and miss a lot of the good stuffthat's

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> >happening. > > <Gasps> You've gone over to the dark side!?!?!? > > The king of the hotlap in a NASCAR? > > :-) > > John

In article <E%uUa.123831$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Steve Smith) wrote: > Are you the John Wallace late of GPL "Beta Busters" fame? God help us if there's *two* of them! Andrew McP

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:04:36 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Are you the John Wallace late of GPL "Beta Busters" fame? That I am, or at least an older, slower approximation of him. You cannot be Steve "Four Wheel Drift" Smith? He of the Golden Keyboard and the Featherweight Foot? :-) John

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> > In article <E%uUa.123831$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Steve Smith) wrote: > > > Are you the John Wallace late of GPL "Beta Busters" fame? > > God help us if there's *two* of them!

Instant Classic !! Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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>On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:04:36 GMT, "Steve Smith" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Are you the John Wallace late of GPL "Beta Busters" fame? > >That I am, or at least an older, slower approximation of him. You >cannot be Steve "Four Wheel Drift" Smith? He of the Golden Keyboard >and the Featherweight Foot? :-)

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The same. Welcome back. Whatcha been up to? "John Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:04:36 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Are you the John Wallace late of GPL "Beta Busters" fame? > > That I am, or at least an older, slower approximation of him. You > cannot be Steve "Four Wheel Drift" Smith? He of the Golden Keyboard > and the Featherweight Foot? :-) > > John

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:25:16 GMT, Steve Smith wrote: > Don't click on these images unless you love pop-ups. Great piccies, tho. > Longford looks to be one of the few tracks left that would make a sterling > (NOT stirling!) addition to GPL. Popups? What popups? Man, gotta love this Firebird thingy ;-) cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61