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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:04:02 -0500, "john smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >www.papy.com/downloads/beta_patch7.exe I believe this falls under the category "not cool". Downloading anyway. Jason

I cannot find any updates concerning the update being released. The header and trace info in the headers of the message with the link has been munged. I do not trust this at all............................. -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "john smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : :

mcwhom wrote: > I cannot find any updates concerning the update being released. The > header and trace info in the headers of the message with the link has > been munged. > > I do not trust this at all............................. > See the latest posts on the Sierra N2003 forum under Patch Update. Seems as tho someone is trying to prove a point... -Brian

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 02:51:26 GMT, "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Seems as tho someone is trying to prove a point... It the point is "the N2003 patch kicks ass" they've made it, at least to me. I should feel bad for snagging a leaked beta, and I'm not commenting in more detail, but damn, it's nice. Jason

What's not cool is a company leaking something on there OFFICAL website and some noob telling the world that posting a link is "not cool". If you place something on a server and dont password protect it people will find it. Linking to a unsecure file is not illegal, hosting the file is. "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:04:02 -0500, "john smith" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >www.papy.com/downloads/beta_patch7.exe > > I believe this falls under the category "not cool". > > Downloading anyway. > > Jason

I have already downloaded and installed, but won't have time to test until Monday as I am away for the weekend. What are your *detailed* impressions of 1.1.0.0? Marc "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 02:51:26 GMT, "B.Farmer" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Seems as tho someone is trying to prove a point... > > It the point is "the N2003 patch kicks ass" they've made it, at least > to me. > > I should feel bad for snagging a leaked beta, and I'm not commenting > in more detail, but damn, it's nice. > > Jason

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 03:31:56 GMT, "Ya OK" <[email hidden]> wrote: >What's not cool is a company leaking something on there OFFICAL website and >some noob telling the world that posting a link is "not cool". > >If you place something on a server and dont password protect it people will >find it. >Linking to a unsecure file is not illegal, hosting the file is. Someone from Papy leaked it? Jason

>"Ya OK" <[email hidden]> wrote > some noob telling the world that posting a link is "not cool". Jason Moyer, "some noob". Shut the fuck up you poseur. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:07 -0400, "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I have already downloaded and installed, but won't have time to test until >Monday as I am away for the weekend. What are your *detailed* impressions >of 1.1.0.0? Can't use it online so I can't comment on that aspect. All I'll say is all of the problems I had personally with the superspeedway realism in the release version have been addressed. I think anything more really would be unfair to Papy since it is a beta product. The more obvious changes to the physics (as noted in the readme file that was posted a few weeks ago) are very impressive in my limited play-time and add to the immersion factor substantially. If the leaked beta patch is of the same quality as the final I think we're in for a real treat. It's weird that the sim world seems to go through huge dead periods then within the span of a month or two we have F1 Challenge and a beautifully patched N2003 to play. Not to mention Live For Speed which has easily given me $20 of entertainment just in the 24 hours I've had to play with it. Jason

Well, it's gone now.... "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:07 -0400, "Marc Collins" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I have already downloaded and installed, but won't have time to testuntil > >Monday as I am away for the weekend. What are your *detailed*impressions

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> >of 1.1.0.0? > > Can't use it online so I can't comment on that aspect. > > All I'll say is all of the problems I had personally with the > superspeedway realism in the release version have been addressed. I > think anything more really would be unfair to Papy since it is a beta > product. The more obvious changes to the physics (as noted in the > readme file that was posted a few weeks ago) are very impressive in my > limited play-time and add to the immersion factor substantially. If > the leaked beta patch is of the same quality as the final I think > we're in for a real treat. > > It's weird that the sim world seems to go through huge dead periods > then within the span of a month or two we have F1 Challenge and a > beautifully patched N2003 to play. Not to mention Live For Speed > which has easily given me $20 of entertainment just in the 24 hours > I've had to play with it. > > Jason

I raced several tracks with it online last night. With everything turned off in expert mode I found that on the short tracks there wasn't a huge difference with the setups I used. On the longer tracks there is a major difference. For starters you are going to probably have to move weight at least a 100 pounds ahead to the front of the car plus have to play with your camber and caster. The trickiest part is now on the straights, where the car seems to wallow around if you aren't careful. Without any steering assist you are driving the car all the way around the track and it will require 100% concentration all the time. I'm not sure this is going to be a lot of fun in heavy traffic but perhaps with time to work on setups it can be smoothed out. As usual there was one super fast individual who didn't seem to be affected at all and hadn't appeared to have lost any speed at all. But I know he has had the patch being a beta tester which I'm sure he has used to advantage. Quicky tried a couple of the fast setups and I wasn't impressed at all. If they are the final deal........ Pete "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:07 -0400, "Marc Collins" > <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > Can't use it online so I can't comment on that aspect. > > All I'll say is all of the problems I had personally with the > superspeedway realism in the release version have been addressed. I > think anything more really would be unfair to Papy since it is a beta > product. The more obvious changes to the physics (as noted in the > readme file that was posted a few weeks ago) are very impressive in my > limited play-time and add to the immersion factor substantially. If > the leaked beta patch is of the same quality as the final I think > we're in for a real treat. > > It's weird that the sim world seems to go through huge dead periods > then within the span of a month or two we have F1 Challenge and a > beautifully patched N2003 to play. Not to mention Live For Speed > which has easily given me $20 of entertainment just in the 24 hours > I've had to play with it. > > Jason

Some final thoughts. Cars bottom very easily now. It took a far bit of juggling of the ride height, weight, springs and shocks to sort this out. You can still go faster with the car dragging a bit but you can't make any sudden moves when you do. Again doing this in traffic will be dicey. The draft effect is much less pronounced and the tire wear and heat patterns are different and much better from what I could tell. Over all I like what they have done but I still think a little bit of steering assist would have been benficial. As even TSW recommend 25%. Pete "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2YfSa.7376$[email hidden]...

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> I raced several tracks with it online last night. With everything > turned off in expert mode I found that on the short tracks there > wasn't a huge difference with the setups I used. On the longer > tracks there is a major difference. For starters you are going to > probably have to move weight at least a 100 pounds ahead to the front > of the car plus have to play with your camber and caster. > The trickiest part is now on the straights, where the car seems > to wallow around if you aren't careful. Without any steering assist > you are driving the car all the way around the track and it will > require 100% concentration all the time. I'm not sure this is going > to be a lot of fun in heavy traffic but perhaps with time to work on

setups > it can be smoothed out. > As usual there was one super fast individual who didn't seem > to be affected at all and hadn't appeared to have lost any speed at all. > But I know he has had the patch being a beta tester which I'm sure he has > used to advantage. > Quicky tried a couple of the fast setups and I wasn't impressed atall. > If they are the final deal........ > > Pete

I just tried some of the road courses and all I can say is steering by armstong. :-) I don't know how many of you are old enough to remember manual steering but thats what it feels like. You can't run a low steering lock because the car will wallow all over the track but as soon as you put the steering lock up trying to make sharp corners becomes hard work and makes my TSW uselss because I have the large sport wheel on it. Moving to a smaller wheel on the MS wheel makes it tolerable but it doesn't feel very natural. It now feels like you are driving a tank around. I suppose there will be tweaks and workarounds to be discovered but I'm not sure a lot of people will be happy with the steering situation. Especially with steering assist is disabled. Physics wise things look excellent and there are major changes in the way the tires react and behave. Tire temperatures appear to be much more equalized across the face of the tire and the front to rear balance is much closer. The tire temperatures also appear to be much lower but if you do start getting them hot they go away very quickly. The first few laps on a road coarse require you to tip toe around until the temperatures get up and also for your braking to be completely effective. There appears to be about 2% change in roll-couple from the unpatched version. And camber and caster are now critcal in the setup. Pete "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2YfSa.7376$[email hidden]...

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> I raced several tracks with it online last night. With everything > turned off in expert mode I found that on the short tracks there > wasn't a huge difference with the setups I used. On the longer > tracks there is a major difference. For starters you are going to > probably have to move weight at least a 100 pounds ahead to the front > of the car plus have to play with your camber and caster. > The trickiest part is now on the straights, where the car seems > to wallow around if you aren't careful. Without any steering assist > you are driving the car all the way around the track and it will > require 100% concentration all the time. I'm not sure this is going > to be a lot of fun in heavy traffic but perhaps with time to work on

setups > it can be smoothed out. > As usual there was one super fast individual who didn't seem > to be affected at all and hadn't appeared to have lost any speed at all. > But I know he has had the patch being a beta tester which I'm sure he has > used to advantage. > Quicky tried a couple of the fast setups and I wasn't impressed atall. > If they are the final deal........ > > Pete

Pete, Frankly I am happy to read about what you are saying, but be careful in judging what you have in your hands. We(at least I) don't know how old this is and what has been changed. I am starting to see a bunch of threads around saying what is wrong with it. This was never meant to be out and who knows what's been fixed. I am not trying to ride you, I am just saying, we don't know. Chad "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w6jSa.7480$[email hidden]...

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> I just tried some of the road courses and all I can say is > steering by armstong. :-) > I don't know how many of you are old enough to remember > manual steering but thats what it feels like. > You can't run a low steering lock because the car will wallow > all over the track but as soon as you put the steering lock up > trying to make sharp corners becomes hard work and makes > my TSW uselss because I have the large sport wheel on it. > Moving to a smaller wheel on the MS wheel makes it tolerable > but it doesn't feel very natural. It now feels like you are driving > a tank around. > I suppose there will be tweaks and workarounds to be discovered > but I'm not sure a lot of people will be happy with the steering > situation. Especially with steering assist is disabled. > Physics wise things look excellent and there are major changes > in the way the tires react and behave. Tire temperatures appear to > be much more equalized across the face of the tire and the front to > rear balance is much closer. The tire temperatures also appear to > be much lower but if you do start getting them hot they go away very > quickly. The first few laps on a road coarse require you to tip toe > around until the temperatures get up and also for your braking to be > completely effective. > There appears to be about 2% change in roll-couple from the > unpatched version. And camber and caster are now critcal in the > setup. > > Pete > > "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2YfSa.7376$[email hidden]... > > I raced several tracks with it online last night. With everything > > turned off in expert mode I found that on the short tracks there > > wasn't a huge difference with the setups I used. On the longer > > tracks there is a major difference. For starters you are going to > > probably have to move weight at least a 100 pounds ahead to the front > > of the car plus have to play with your camber and caster. > > The trickiest part is now on the straights, where the car seems > > to wallow around if you aren't careful. Without any steering assist > > you are driving the car all the way around the track and it will > > require 100% concentration all the time. I'm not sure this is going > > to be a lot of fun in heavy traffic but perhaps with time to work on > setups > > it can be smoothed out. > > As usual there was one super fast individual who didn't seem > > to be affected at all and hadn't appeared to have lost any speed at all. > > But I know he has had the patch being a beta tester which I'm sure he

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> > used to advantage. > > Quicky tried a couple of the fast setups and I wasn't impressed at > all. > > If they are the final deal........ > > > > Pete > >

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2YfSa.7376$[email hidden]...

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> I raced several tracks with it online last night. With everything > turned off in expert mode I found that on the short tracks there > wasn't a huge difference with the setups I used. On the longer > tracks there is a major difference. For starters you are going to > probably have to move weight at least a 100 pounds ahead to the front > of the car plus have to play with your camber and caster. > The trickiest part is now on the straights, where the car seems > to wallow around if you aren't careful. Without any steering assist > you are driving the car all the way around the track and it will > require 100% concentration all the time. I'm not sure this is going > to be a lot of fun in heavy traffic but perhaps with time to work on setups > it can be smoothed out. > As usual there was one super fast individual who didn't seem > to be affected at all and hadn't appeared to have lost any speed at all. > But I know he has had the patch being a beta tester which I'm sure he has > used to advantage. > Quicky tried a couple of the fast setups and I wasn't impressed at all. > If they are the final deal........ > > Pete >

Don, is that you? ;-)

I used to beta test Papyrus products so I have some idea of how they do things. I have no doubt that they will make some final changes to things in fact some one has already contacted me suggesting one of the changes. I am very pleased with what the physics are showing. The only problem I have already seen some big numbers with the "new setups" by beta testers and it looks like there are ways to exploit things. They are going almost as fast as before. Pete "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Pete, > > Frankly I am happy to read about what you are saying, but be careful in > judging what you have in your hands. We(at least I) don't know how oldthis > is and what has been changed. I am starting to see a bunch of threads > around saying what is wrong with it. This was never meant to be out andwho > knows what's been fixed. I am not trying to ride you, I am just saying,we > don't know. > Chad

Sorry, but no. Pete "gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfcoag$15b$[email hidden]... > > " > Don, is that you? ;-) > >

I checked the date on the file and it was July 18/2003. It can't be real old. :-) Pete "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Pete, > > Frankly I am happy to read about what you are saying, but be careful in > judging what you have in your hands. We(at least I) don't know how oldthis > is and what has been changed. I am starting to see a bunch of threads > around saying what is wrong with it. This was never meant to be out andwho > knows what's been fixed. I am not trying to ride you, I am just saying,we > don't know. > Chad

What road courses did you try? I will do more experimenting but in order to get the wobble out I've had to turn the steering lock way up. I'm used to running with 100% linearity that may need to be changed. Pete "Jeff Vogel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yLmSa.13204$[email hidden]... > Seems fine to me wit hthe steering. I just adjusted my linearity and mytsw2 > feels great. I love it

Seems fine to me wit hthe steering. I just adjusted my linearity and my tsw2 feels great. I love it "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w6jSa.7480$[email hidden]...

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> I just tried some of the road courses and all I can say is > steering by armstong. :-) > I don't know how many of you are old enough to remember > manual steering but thats what it feels like. > You can't run a low steering lock because the car will wallow > all over the track but as soon as you put the steering lock up > trying to make sharp corners becomes hard work and makes > my TSW uselss because I have the large sport wheel on it. > Moving to a smaller wheel on the MS wheel makes it tolerable > but it doesn't feel very natural. It now feels like you are driving > a tank around. > I suppose there will be tweaks and workarounds to be discovered > but I'm not sure a lot of people will be happy with the steering > situation. Especially with steering assist is disabled. > Physics wise things look excellent and there are major changes > in the way the tires react and behave. Tire temperatures appear to > be much more equalized across the face of the tire and the front to > rear balance is much closer. The tire temperatures also appear to > be much lower but if you do start getting them hot they go away very > quickly. The first few laps on a road coarse require you to tip toe > around until the temperatures get up and also for your braking to be > completely effective. > There appears to be about 2% change in roll-couple from the > unpatched version. And camber and caster are now critcal in the > setup. > > Pete > > "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2YfSa.7376$[email hidden]... > > I raced several tracks with it online last night. With everything > > turned off in expert mode I found that on the short tracks there > > wasn't a huge difference with the setups I used. On the longer > > tracks there is a major difference. For starters you are going to > > probably have to move weight at least a 100 pounds ahead to the front > > of the car plus have to play with your camber and caster. > > The trickiest part is now on the straights, where the car seems > > to wallow around if you aren't careful. Without any steering assist > > you are driving the car all the way around the track and it will > > require 100% concentration all the time. I'm not sure this is going > > to be a lot of fun in heavy traffic but perhaps with time to work on > setups > > it can be smoothed out. > > As usual there was one super fast individual who didn't seem > > to be affected at all and hadn't appeared to have lost any speed at all. > > But I know he has had the patch being a beta tester which I'm sure he

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> > used to advantage. > > Quicky tried a couple of the fast setups and I wasn't impressed at > all. > > If they are the final deal........ > > > > Pete > >

I can't explain it, but since the new physics model introduced with N4 I am just nowhere near as competitive as I used to be. I have tried everything, have 3 different wheels - Original Momo FF, MSFF, and TSW2, have tried with some aids on recently just to see if I could get any faster, and I constantly remain a good .5 second or more slower than the front runners. But, the league I am in has some of the fastest out there ( fixed setup racing), so it may be I am not as slow as I think, but it sure is frustrating. I hope the patch helps me for fixed setup racing, I really would like to participate more but any more I feel like I just get in folks way. Don Pete wrote:

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> I used to beta test Papyrus products so I have some idea of how > they do things. I have no doubt that they will make some final changes > to things in fact some one has already contacted me suggesting one > of the changes. > I am very pleased with what the physics are showing. The only > problem I have already seen some big numbers with the "new setups" by > beta testers and it looks like there are ways to exploit things. > They are going almost as > fast as before. > > Pete > > "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Pete, >> >> Frankly I am happy to read about what you are saying, but be careful >> in judging what you have in your hands. We(at least I) don't know >> how old this is and what has been changed. I am starting to see a >> bunch of threads around saying what is wrong with it. This was >> never meant to be out and who knows what's been fixed. I am not >> trying to ride you, I am just saying, we don't know. >> Chad

Don, it takes as much tweaking of your hardware to be competitve some times even with the fixed setup. Some combinations work great with nothing done to them, put them with a killer driver and they fly. Some hardware can be tweaked to work really well for those of us a notch slower. All I can say is you have to try playing with linearity, steering lock etc. I just finished a race with high ranked Dega drivers with the patch all aids turned off. Let me tell you they looked like rookies out there. Almost no one could hold a line. If not for the skills of those in the race there would have been numerous wrecks. Everyone was trying to take it easy but without any steering assistance all the cars wobbled. I have tried a half dozen tracks now with the fast setup and I don't like it at all. It is very loose. Almost everyone I have seen try a fixed ends up spinning if they start to push it at all. Granted the setups may not be finalized for the official release but fixed racing at some tracks with all aids off may be rather scary. Pete "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I can't explain it, but since the new physics model introduced with N4 Iam > just nowhere near as competitive as I used to be. I have tried everything, > have 3 different wheels - Original Momo FF, MSFF, and TSW2, have triedwith

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> some aids on recently just to see if I could get any faster, and I > constantly remain a good .5 second or more slower than the front runners. > But, the league I am in has some of the fastest out there ( fixed setup > racing), so it may be I am not as slow as I think, but it sure is > frustrating. > I hope the patch helps me for fixed setup racing, I really would like to > participate more but any more I feel like I just get in folks way. > > Don

In article <[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> writes: >I can't explain it, but since the new physics model introduced with N4 I am >just nowhere near as competitive as I used to be. I have tried everything, >have 3 different wheels - Original Momo FF, MSFF, and TSW2, have tried with >some aids on recently just to see if I could get any faster, and I >constantly remain a good .5 second or more slower than the front runners. You're a HALF second off? I think I was a FULL second off the pace at Louden. That's a track with only a 30 second laptime. Don't worry about it - get in there! :-) Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

For me it's been entirely the opposite. I'd never driven much N2 or N3, and wasn't really fast either on the ovals, but when N4 was released, I became aware that I'd never really understood what the car was doing on these ovals, and that N4 gave me all the information and feedback. And all of a sudden I understood what the car was doing and became competitive on the ovals. Achim "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I can't explain it, but since the new physics model introduced with N4 Iam > just nowhere near as competitive as I used to be. I have tried everything, > have 3 different wheels - Original Momo FF, MSFF, and TSW2, have triedwith

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> some aids on recently just to see if I could get any faster, and I > constantly remain a good .5 second or more slower than the front runners. > But, the league I am in has some of the fastest out there ( fixed setup > racing), so it may be I am not as slow as I think, but it sure is > frustrating. > I hope the patch helps me for fixed setup racing, I really would like to > participate more but any more I feel like I just get in folks way. > > Don

Yea I usually run around 50 with my tsw2 13" GT Wheel on it. "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LJmSa.7566$[email hidden]...

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> What road courses did you try? I will do more experimenting > but in order to get the wobble out I've had to turn the steering lock > way up. I'm used to running with 100% linearity that may need to > be changed. > > Pete > > "Jeff Vogel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yLmSa.13204$[email hidden]... > > Seems fine to me wit hthe steering. I just adjusted my linearity and my > tsw2 > > feels great. I love it > >

After much experimenting and a change of thinking on how to make the chassis respond, I have figured out how to get rid of the wobble. I'm not sure these changes are realistic and by fixing one hole they may have opened up others but the car is definitely a handfull. Pete

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> Sorry, but no. > > Pete > > "gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bfcoag$15b$[email hidden]... > > > > " > > Don, is that you? ;-) > > > >

I am a long time RAS lurker and even though you deny it, your posts have an eerie resemblance to the ones DW makes here regularly. Like you, he is a former beta tester. He also publicly claims to run a TSW wheel which gives him trouble in N2003. Always making reference to deficiencies in Papy's physics and new patches. Always noting that there may be holes in the program which can be exploited. Never really giving any genuine praise to Papyrus for their product. While testing this patch, did you remember to keep the ground wire hooked up?...... 8^)p

gordo wrote: > Pete's spelling is better, but that's because he and Don got separated at birth and Pete got a better education, they're identical twins you see Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Think what you want. People who know me know that I'm not Don. Although I don't post as much as I used to I have been around these forums longer than Don has. As far as the ground wire it works better on the ECCI than on the TSW. Don, has a TSW but regularily uses his MS wheel with ECCI pedals. I use a MS wheel with my TSW pedals most of the time but I do experiment. I was also a beta tester before Don and much longer than Don. I have been to Papyrus to my knowledge Don never has. The fact that I anaylze things comes easily for me as I do that for a living. Anything else you would like to know? As far as giving praise to Papyrus you must really be a newbie. I was one of their few defenders during the days of waiting for TEN to start. I stopped defending them when they lied to me and didn't honour things they said they would. I lost a lot respect when I watched them letting some of their best employees go because they were too cheap to pay them or to cheap to fix things in the game they didn't agree with. I could go on but enough said. As far as Don goes I have had many fights and disagreements with him over the years but today we are actually good friends, as I am with many who have been around from the early days. My email address is in Canada, Don is in Florida. I could further elucidate you but I think you get the picture. Pete "gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bff3ht$8t1$[email hidden]... > > I am a long time RAS lurker and even though you deny it, your posts havean eerie resemblance to the ones DW makes here regularly. > Like you, he is a former beta tester. He also publicly claims to run a TSWwheel which gives him trouble in N2003. > Always making reference to deficiencies in Papy's physics and new patches. > Always noting that there may be holes in the program which can beexploited. > Never really giving any genuine praise to Papyrus for their product. > While testing this patch, did you remember to keep the ground wire hookedup?...... 8^)p > >

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> After much experimenting and a change of thinking on how to make >the chassis respond, I have figured out how to get rid of the wobble. > I'm not sure these changes are realistic and by fixing one hole they >may have opened up others but the car is definitely a handfull. > > > Pete

Good news indeed!! Andre PS Which sim are you actually talking about?

LOL it was fraternal. I must have hung out in the womb for six or seven years before popping out. :-) Pete "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Pete's spelling is better, but that's because he and Don got separated > at birth and Pete got a better education, they're identical twins you > see > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

N2003 after being patched. :-) Pete "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:11:58 -0400, "Pete" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > Good news indeed!! > > Andre > > PS Which sim are you actually talking about? >

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> "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bomSa.7557$[email hidden]... >> Sorry, but no. >> >> Pete >> >> "gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:bfcoag$15b$[email hidden]... >>> >>> " >>> Don, is that you? ;-) >>> >>> > I am a long time RAS lurker and even though you deny it, your posts > have an eerie resemblance to the ones DW makes here regularly. Like > you, he is a former beta tester. He also publicly claims to run a TSW > wheel which gives him trouble in N2003. > Always making reference to deficiencies in Papy's physics and new > patches. > Always noting that there may be holes in the program which can be > exploited. > Never really giving any genuine praise to Papyrus for their product. > While testing this patch, did you remember to keep the ground wire > hooked up?...... 8^)p

Actually, if you compare the prose, you will notice a big difference between Don and Pete's writings. They both have been around a long time. -- Don Burnette remove clothes when replying via email

I will vouch for Pete... I will vouch that he is not DW. I won't vouch that he's any better, but...... ;) Do I smell BHMS...... <VBG> -- Scott B. Husted "PA-Scott" ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QMESa.318$[email hidden]... > Think what you want. People who know me know that I'm not Don. > Although I don't post as much as I used to I have been around these > forums longer than Don has. > As far as the ground wire it works better on the ECCI than on the TSW. > Don, has a TSW but regularily uses his MS wheel with ECCI pedals. I use > a MS wheel with my TSW pedals most of the time but I do experiment. > I was also a beta tester before Don and much longer than Don. > I have been to Papyrus to my knowledge Don never has. > The fact that I anaylze things comes easily for me as I do that for a > living. > Anything else you would like to know? > As far as giving praise to Papyrus you must really be a newbie. I was > one > of their few defenders during the days of waiting for TEN to start. I > stopped defending > them when they lied to me and didn't honour things they said they would. > I lost a lot respect when I watched them letting some of their best > employees > go because they were too cheap to pay them or to cheap to fix things in the > game they didn't agree with. I could go on but enough said. > As far as Don goes I have had many fights and disagreements with him > over > the years but today we are actually good friends, as I am with many who have > been around from the early days. > My email address is in Canada, Don is in Florida. > I could further elucidate you but I think you get the picture. > > Pete > >

I'm not sure this is a wringing endorsement but I'll take it. :-) Yes you probably do smell BHMS as they are affliated with the unclean of the world. ;-) Pete "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I will vouch for Pete... I will vouch that he is not DW. I won't vouch > that he's any better, but...... ;) > > Do I smell BHMS...... <VBG> > > -- > Scott B. Husted > "PA-Scott" > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc

Prosaic and profound at the same time. :-) Pete "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Actually, if you compare the prose, you will notice a big differencebetween

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> Don and Pete's writings. > They both have been around a long time. > > > -- > Don Burnette > > remove clothes when replying via email > >

Just busting your chops Pete. ;) -- Scott B. Husted "PA-Scott" ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gNGSa.433$[email hidden]... > I'm not sure this is a wringing endorsement but > I'll take it. :-) > Yes you probably do smell BHMS as they are affliated > with the unclean of the world. ;-) > > Pete

Scott, no problem. I get moody with all the crap I have to take into me. The pain killers don't help either so I have lots of bad days. Hell, I can't even believe I wasted my time talking with Adam the other day. Talk about wasting time. :-) Pete "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f1b7152$[email hidden]...

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> Just busting your chops Pete. ;) > > -- > Scott B. Husted > "PA-Scott" > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc

Does the NR2003.exe in your directory really show a date of July 18, 2003? Achim "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xEmSa.7563$[email hidden]... > I checked the date on the file and it was July 18/2003. > It can't be real old. :-)

Joachim, yes it does. I strongly suspect this is a brand new patch as there was an older beta patch in the directory as well. The language used in the install also suggests this must be very close to the final if its not indeed the final. Pete "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfg36b$e8hqh$[email hidden]...

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> Does the NR2003.exe in your directory really show a date of July 18, 2003? > > Achim > > > > "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xEmSa.7563$[email hidden]... > > I checked the date on the file and it was July 18/2003. > > It can't be real old. :-) > >

1.1.0.0 sounds like the final to me. Marc "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:07 -0400, "Marc Collins" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I have already downloaded and installed, but won't have time to testuntil > >Monday as I am away for the weekend. What are your *detailed*impressions

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> >of 1.1.0.0? > > Can't use it online so I can't comment on that aspect. > > All I'll say is all of the problems I had personally with the > superspeedway realism in the release version have been addressed. I > think anything more really would be unfair to Papy since it is a beta > product. The more obvious changes to the physics (as noted in the > readme file that was posted a few weeks ago) are very impressive in my > limited play-time and add to the immersion factor substantially. If > the leaked beta patch is of the same quality as the final I think > we're in for a real treat. > > It's weird that the sim world seems to go through huge dead periods > then within the span of a month or two we have F1 Challenge and a > beautifully patched N2003 to play. Not to mention Live For Speed > which has easily given me $20 of entertainment just in the 24 hours > I've had to play with it. > > Jason

LOL--it won't. The .exe date is June 25th. He's obviously looking at the installation or download date of...something. Marc "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfg36b$e8hqh$[email hidden]...

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> Does the NR2003.exe in your directory really show a date of July 18, 2003? > > Achim > > > > "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xEmSa.7563$[email hidden]... > > I checked the date on the file and it was July 18/2003. > > It can't be real old. :-) > >

Thanks for the info, Pete. So you didn't download the beta_patch7.exe this thread's first posting links to? What was your's called? Achim "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rGNSa.909$[email hidden]... > Joachim, yes it does. I strongly suspect this is a brand new > patch as there was an older beta patch in the directory as well. > The language used in the install also suggests this must > be very close to the final if its not indeed the final.

That goes beyond wasting time - almost to self mental mutilation. ;) -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 439540 http://www.Husted.cc "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GiKSa.527$[email hidden]... > Scott, no problem. I get moody with all the > crap I have to take into me. The pain killers don't > help either so I have lots of bad days. > Hell, I can't even believe I wasted my time talking > with Adam the other day. Talk about wasting time. :-) > > Pete > > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3f1b7152$[email hidden]... > > Just busting your chops Pete. ;) > > > > -- > > Scott B. Husted > > "PA-Scott" > > ICQ# 4395450 > > http://www.Husted.cc > >

Joachim, my appologies. Looks like my sleep deprivation had me looking at the wrong file. The date is June 25. Now that I finally got a few hours I feel worse. Sorry again. Pete "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfgt4r$en6jf$[email hidden]... > Thanks for the info, Pete. So you didn't download the beta_patch7.exe this > thread's first posting links to? What was your's called? > > Achim

Marc, not sure what I looked at but it wasn't the right file. June 25th is correct. Pete "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3vSSa.667$[email hidden]... > LOL--it won't. The .exe date is June 25th. He's obviously looking at the > installation or download date of...something. > > Marc

I feel like a truck hit me today must be aftershock. :-) Pete "Scott B. Husted�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a_SSa.1198$[email hidden]...

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> That goes beyond wasting time - almost to self mental mutilation. ;) > > -- > Scott B. Husted > ICQ# 439540 > http://www.Husted.cc > "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one > behind me." > - General George S. Patton

LOL He's not Don Wilshe!! Did he try to sell you a time share or term life insurance?? No?? Then it's not Don!!! gordo wrote:

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>"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bomSa.7557$[email hidden]... > > >> Sorry, but no. >> >> Pete >> >>"gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:bfcoag$15b$[email hidden]... >> >> >>>" >>>Don, is that you? ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >I am a long time RAS lurker and even though you deny it, your posts have an eerie resemblance to the ones DW makes here regularly. >Like you, he is a former beta tester. He also publicly claims to run a TSW wheel which gives him trouble in N2003. >Always making reference to deficiencies in Papy's physics and new patches. >Always noting that there may be holes in the program which can be exploited. >Never really giving any genuine praise to Papyrus for their product. >While testing this patch, did you remember to keep the ground wire hooked up?...... 8^)p > > > >

-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

Pete wrote: > > I feel like a truck hit me today must be aftershock. :-) Totally natural reaction, that's why I gave it up myself Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Thanks anyway for all the info you posted! It's probably not really outdated anyway, considering that the patch went to Sierra testing more than two weeks ago if I remember correctly what was posted about this. I.e., your exe is not older than ~ two weeks before the 'final'. Achim "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c0TSa.1175$[email hidden]...

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> Joachim, my appologies. Looks like my sleep deprivation had me > looking at the wrong file. The date is June 25. > Now that I finally got a few hours I feel worse. > Sorry again. > > Pete > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bfgt4r$en6jf$[email hidden]... > > Thanks for the info, Pete. So you didn't download the beta_patch7.exe

this > > thread's first posting links to? What was your's called? > > > > Achim > >

So how did you fix the wobble? "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nTESa.329$[email hidden]...

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> N2003 after being patched. :-) > > Pete > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:11:58 -0400, "Pete" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > Good news indeed!! > > > > Andre > > > > PS Which sim are you actually talking about? > > > >

So how did you fix the wobble?

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> N2003 after being patched. :-) > Pete > > Good news indeed!! > > Andre > > PS Which sim are you actually talking about?

In article <WjZSa.165965$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> writes: >So how did you fix the wobble? > >"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message He stopped drinking... <ducking> Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Its a combination of camber, caster and toe-in. It varies from track to track. But the tracks with the longest straightaways require the most or least of settings. Pick a track and I'll send you a setup and you can see what I mean. I always ran a bit of steering assist before. I'm assuming if people run races with everything turned off after the patch you will have to adjust accordingly. If they allow it, it won't be as crucial. Pete "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WjZSa.165965$[email hidden]... > So how did you fix the wobble? >

Zandvoort. "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:E2_Sa.6297$[email hidden]...

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> Its a combination of camber, caster and toe-in. It varies from > track to track. But the tracks with the longest straightaways require > the most or least of settings. > Pick a track and I'll send you a setup and you can see what I mean. > I always ran a bit of steering assist before. I'm assuming if people run > races with everything turned off after the patch you will have to adjust > accordingly. If they allow it, it won't be as crucial. > > Pete > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WjZSa.165965$[email hidden]... > > So how did you fix the wobble? > > > >

Haven't done anything there it will give me an excuse to. Did you ever try any of the other setups I did? They have to be all redone with the patch anyway. Pete "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ok%Sa.6557$[email hidden]... > Zandvoort. >

Check your emails. Pete "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ok%Sa.6557$[email hidden]... > Zandvoort. >

Thx, Pete! "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TZ2Ta.7460$[email hidden]...

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> Check your emails. > > Pete > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ok%Sa.6557$[email hidden]... > > Zandvoort. > > > >

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w6jSa.7480$[email hidden]... <snip> > It now feels like you are driving a tank around. Wow, they made it *that* realistic?