RASCAR: Watkins Glenn

Good race. No yellows. Congrats to Michael, who posted the some speeds with the fast setup that I would have thought impossible. grub

Sorry to Larry for punting you in lap 1/2, I realised too late I couldnt use my normal braking point :-( I was runnig steady from then, but got a disco around lap 21. When I returned in the race and was put in my pitstall a very strange thing happened - someone drove through me and I was thrown backwards with a very high force causing me to swirle to the beginning of pit road where John just came in - hope you managed to get by safely.

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> Sorry to Larry for punting you in lap 1/2, > I realised too late I couldnt use my normal > braking point :-( I was runnig steady from > then, but got a disco around lap 21. When I > returned in the race and was put in my > pitstall a very strange thing happened - > someone drove through me and I was thrown > backwards with a very high force causing me > to swirle to the beginning of pit road where > John just came in - hope you managed to get > by safely.

It's a very normal thing to happen, that's why I keep shouting at people when I see them drive through stalls at any point in a race. I've found out the hard way, when reconnecting, it's very important to wait for your entry list to fill up before going to track. Otherwise your game might start getting position updates on another car and show it to you when you're right on top of it. Jan. =---

"grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Good race. No yellows. Congrats to Michael, who posted the some speedswith > the fast setup that I would have thought impossible. > > grub > > Yes, good race. But I think yellows were turned off. bluestringer

Well, I enjoyed the first race with you guys. Hope I wasn't too much of a moving road block for you. I tried to give room when it was safe to do so. Started off one lap down. Had do disconnect(for the first time ever online, I was getting screen lockups:o( ) and by the time I got back in the start sequence had started and had to start from pit lane. Sorry again to Tim (car#2). My wife forgot it was my first race with you guys and didn't tell my 4 year old kid to stay away from the 'puter room. I was going to give you room, but my kid grabbed my arm and turned me into you. Steve

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> Sorry to Larry for punting you in lap 1/2, I realised too late I > couldnt use my normal braking point :-( > I was runnig steady from then, but got a disco around lap 21. When I > returned in the race and was put in my pitstall a very strange thing > happened - someone drove through me and I was thrown backwards with a > very high force causing me to swirle to the beginning of pit road > where John just came in - hope you managed to get by safely.

Oops didnt check my identity Cheers jurjen

I need someone to help me understand how to clear black flags. I was doing well until my pitstop at about 1/2 distance. After the stop I was informed that I had been black flagged for speeding in the pitlane. I stopped on the next lap without speeding. The crew changed my tires and off I went only to be told I would be DQ'd if I didn't serve the penalty. I then stopped on the next lap (having turned off the tire change) and left the pits when the voice said go, go, go. I was then booted (DQ'd from the race). I never saw the official with the stop watch. Did I do it incorrectly? I thought you just had to stop in your spot to clear it. Thanks, Spark

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> I need someone to help me understand how to clear black flags. I was doing > well until my pitstop at about 1/2 distance. After the stop I was informed > that I had been black flagged for speeding in the pitlane. I stopped on the > next lap without speeding. The crew changed my tires and off I went only to > be told I would be DQ'd if I didn't serve the penalty. I then stopped on the > next lap (having turned off the tire change) and left the pits when the > voice said go, go, go. I was then booted (DQ'd from the race). I never saw > the official with the stop watch. Did I do it incorrectly? I thought you > just had to stop in your spot to clear it. > > Thanks, > Spark

Did your spotter tell you it was a stop-n-go, or a drive through penalty. If it's a drive through, it won't clear if you stop. If it's a stop-n-go, it won't clear if you drive thru without stopping.

Thanks John. That is something I did not know. I think the same thing screwed up another race for me also. Oh well, the race was fun while it lasted for me. Spark > Did your spotter tell you it was a stop-n-go, or a drive through > penalty. If it's a drive through, it won't clear if you stop. If it's > a stop-n-go, it won't clear if you drive thru without stopping. >

"spark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:38gZa.78087$[email hidden]... > Thanks John. That is something I did not know. I think the same thing > screwed up another race for me also. Oh well, the race was fun while it > lasted for me. > > Spark ><SNIP> Speeding in pit lane should be a drive through, unsafe is a stop and go. Spotter only tells you once, I learned the hardway too. :-( Sean #12

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >If it's a drive through, it won't clear if you stop. Well, THAT sucks... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "McWhom" <[email hidden]> writes: >Speeding in pit lane should be a drive through, unsafe is a stop and go. >Spotter only tells you once, I learned the hardway too. :-( > Hmm... I've gotten a speeding penalty before, and it was a stop and go... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

:) Like I said, no yellows. gurb "bluestringer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vpeZa.10356$[email hidden]...

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> > "grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Good race. No yellows. Congrats to Michael, who posted the some speeds > with > > the fast setup that I would have thought impossible. > > > > grub > > > > > > > > Yes, good race. But I think yellows were turned off. > > bluestringer > > >

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "McWhom" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Speeding in pit lane should be a drive through, unsafe is a stop and go. > >Spotter only tells you once, I learned the hardway too. :-( > > > > Hmm... I've gotten a speeding penalty before, and it was a stop and go... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I think that has to do with speeding entering or exiting. I tend to speed entering. Michigan is loosey Goosey, I can run around good till I want to try to pass someone, then I seem to loose my arc and spin, over and over. I have a week to figure this out though. Sean

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:37:30 -0400, grub wrote: > Good race. No yellows. Congrats to Michael, who posted the some speeds with > the fast setup that I would have thought impossible. > > grub > > Good race lads! I would have liked to see a bit more patience by some people trying to pass or lap me into the last turn, but all in all it was great fun. During the first half of the race I noticed some nasty warping by T(im?) Paullin who I was running with, but that seemed to improve later. Jan, why did you "give back" that lap when I let you lap me? Thanks! ;-) Bye for now, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> > <snip> > > Good race lads! I would have liked to see a bit > more patience by some people trying to pass or > lap me into the last turn, but all in all it > was great fun. > > During the first half of the race I noticed some > nasty warping by T(im?) Paullin who I was running > with, but that seemed to improve later.

True he was winking out and hopping around quite a bit. We may even have "warp touched" at one point. If we did I'm sorry. > Jan, why did you "give back" that lap when I let you lap me? > Thanks! ;-) You're welcome. I was trying to do a no-stopper (possible if one can run in clean air a lot), so I couldn't risk locking up a wheel trying to keep you behind. The tyres had lost their edge by then and eventhough I was lapping 8/10ths to a second quicker than while I was bottled up behind you, you still caught up, so I chose minimum time loss and let you back around. This time around you were able to stay ahead and I ended up having to pit anyway so no harm no foul. I would have gained some time (and you too, possibly) if you'd let me around immediately, but probably not enough to have had a shot at Neil in the end. Jan. =---

I've just joined the "no yellow flags" group after todays race. Hell of alot easier to fit it into my schedule when a great race like that happens! Tim "grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> :) > > Like I said, no yellows. > > gurb > > > "bluestringer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vpeZa.10356$[email hidden]... > > > > "grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Good race. No yellows. Congrats to Michael, who posted the some speeds > > with > > > the fast setup that I would have thought impossible. > > > > > > grub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, good race. But I think yellows were turned off. > > > > bluestringer > > > > > > > >

"Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f35763e$0$4186$[email hidden]... > Well, I enjoyed the first race with you guys. Hope I wasn't too much of a > moving road block for you. I tried to give room when it was safe to doso. > Started off one lap down. Had do disconnect(for the first time everonline, > I was getting screen lockups:o( ) and by the time I got back in thestart > sequence had started and had to start from pit lane. > Sorry again to Tim (car#2). My wife forgot it was my first race with you > guys and didn't tell my 4 year old kid to stay away from the 'puter room.I > was going to give you room, but my kid grabbed my arm and turned me into > you. > > Steve > no big deal Steve, I got into the turn a little too hot anyway<g> Apologies to whoever I hit while turning around. Tim >

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> > "spark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:38gZa.78087$[email hidden]... > > Thanks John. That is something I did not know. I think the same thing > > screwed up another race for me also. Oh well, the race was fun while it > > lasted for me. > > > > Spark > > > <SNIP> > Speeding in pit lane should be a drive through, unsafe is a stop and go. > Spotter only tells you once, I learned the hardway too. :-( > > Sean #12 > >

I did a "stop and go" for my penalty and lost a lap:-( Tim

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> > Good race lads! I would have liked to see a bit more patience > by some people trying to pass or lap me into the last turn, but > all in all it was great fun. > > During the first half of the race I noticed some nasty warping > by T(im?) Paullin who I was running with, but that seemed to > improve later. > > Jan, why did you "give back" that lap when I let you lap me? > Thanks! ;-) > > Bye for now, > > uwe >

yeah my wife's computer was on the network, had her shut it off all was well. (btw that's what happened at Daytona) Tim

"Tim Paullin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bh5ed4$bkv$[email hidden]... > > "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3f35763e$0$4186$[email hidden]... > > Well, I enjoyed the first race with you guys. Hope I wasn't too much ofa

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> > moving road block for you. I tried to give room when it was safe to do > so. > > Started off one lap down. Had do disconnect(for the first time ever > online, > > I was getting screen lockups:o( ) and by the time I got back in the > start > > sequence had started and had to start from pit lane. > > Sorry again to Tim (car#2). My wife forgot it was my first race with

you > > guys and didn't tell my 4 year old kid to stay away from the 'puterroom.

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> I > > was going to give you room, but my kid grabbed my arm and turned me into > > you. > > > > Steve > > > > no big deal Steve, I got into the turn a little too hot anyway<g> > > Apologies to whoever I hit while turning around. > > Tim > > > >

That was me. No big deal, I should have went in a little higher. bluestringer

Did you get a drive thru, or a stop & go? I suspect you got a drive-thru. If you actually stop when you have a drive-thru penalty, it won't count :( I got bit by this earlier in the year. -Larry "spark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7QeZa.177763$[email hidden]... > I need someone to help me understand how to clear black flags. I was doing > well until my pitstop at about 1/2 distance. After the stop I was informed > that I had been black flagged for speeding in the pitlane. I stopped onthe > next lap without speeding. The crew changed my tires and off I went onlyto > be told I would be DQ'd if I didn't serve the penalty. I then stopped onthe

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> next lap (having turned off the tire change) and left the pits when the > voice said go, go, go. I was then booted (DQ'd from the race). I never saw > the official with the stop watch. Did I do it incorrectly? I thought you > just had to stop in your spot to clear it. > > Thanks, > Spark > >

Sean, Here's a tip for you. Try this. First, you may be slowing down _too_ much. That's bad, because it takes air off the rear spoiler. Practice with the racing line. The markers are decent for this track. Before you let up on the gas for the corner, pre-load the brakes just a _tad_. This may help you keep the car straight. NOTE - I _think_ this applies at Michigan. I haven't started practice there yet, but this trick helps a ton at places like Richmond, and Richmond is basically a troll-sized Michigan :) Also, you don't have to let up on the gas much here. Just 1/4 throttle or so. Letting up too much, going in too slow, etc... will get you into worse trouble here than going in to hot. You can deal with too hot as you'll just wash up a bit. Start off by purposely going in too hot, then back off a little more each time until you find just the right amount. Of course, this will change as your tires wear and the fuel burns off as the car will become tighter, especially off the corners. Finally, you get back into the gas pretty early here. Don't just floor it. Feather the gas in slowly. You want to be back at full throttle just as the car is pointing straight again. Any combination of the above or all will help. -Larry "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, "McWhom" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Speeding in pit lane should be a drive through, unsafe is a stop and

go. > > >Spotter only tells you once, I learned the hardway too. :-( > > > > > > > Hmm... I've gotten a speeding penalty before, and it was a stop andgo...

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> > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > I think that has to do with speeding entering or exiting. I tend to speed > entering. > > Michigan is loosey Goosey, I can run around good till I want to try to

pass > someone, then I seem to loose my arc and spin, over and over. I have aweek > to figure this out though. > > Sean > >

No problem :) The start of that happened in front of us. I don't know whether it started with the car in front of me, or further up the line, but someone braked WAY, WAY too early going into the Bus Stop and it caused a daisy-chain effect. I had to slam on the brakes to keep from hitting the car in front of me, and we were no where near the normal braking point :( -Larry "JJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f356d2a$0$49111$[email hidden]...

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> Sorry to Larry for punting you in lap 1/2, I realised too late I couldnt > use my normal braking point :-( > I was runnig steady from then, but got a disco around lap 21. When I > returned in the race and was put in my pitstall a very strange thing > happened - someone drove through me and I was thrown backwards with a very > high force causing me to swirle to the beginning of pit road where John > just came in - hope you managed to get by safely.

In article <nEtZa.12256$ug.11869@lakeread01>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >No problem :) The start of that happened in front of us. I don't know >whether it started with the car in front of me, or further up the line, but >someone braked WAY, WAY too early going into the Bus Stop and it caused a >daisy-chain effect. I had to slam on the brakes to keep from hitting the >car in front of me, and we were no where near the normal braking point :( Remember, not everyone brakes at the same point... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Tim Paullin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bh5ecp$bkv$[email hidden]... > I've just joined the "no yellow flags" group after todays race. Hell of > alot easier to fit it into my schedule when a great race like thathappens! I agree with no yellow flags on the road courses, but not on the ovals. Kyle

"Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" wrote... > > <snip> > Jan, why did you "give back" that lap when I let you lap me? > Thanks! ;-) Looked at that again and realised I remembered it wrong. I thought I'd clocked off a mid 1'17, but I forgot about the overrotation at T1. Regardless, you found the sub-1'17s once I got in front and you would have stayed there but for you T1 excursion. I was swapping between the fuel, tire and lap info screen at the time and didn't really notice that, to be honest. <sheepish grin> Jan. =---

Well, no shit :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <nEtZa.12256$ug.11869@lakeread01>, "Larry" <[email hidden]>writes: > > >No problem :) The start of that happened in front of us. I don't know > >whether it started with the car in front of me, or further up the line,but

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> >someone braked WAY, WAY too early going into the Bus Stop and it caused a > >daisy-chain effect. I had to slam on the brakes to keep from hitting the > >car in front of me, and we were no where near the normal braking point :( > > Remember, not everyone brakes at the same point... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Well, no shit :) > >-Larry > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >someone braked WAY, WAY too early going into the Bus Stop and it caused a >> >daisy-chain effect. I had to slam on the brakes to keep from hitting the >> >car in front of me, and we were no where near the normal braking point :( >> >> Remember, not everyone brakes at the same point...

I was just reminding you to be *aware* of such a situation. Say you're following someone, and you normally brake at the 100 marker. The person you're following brakes at the 300 marker, you're caught unawares, and punt him. Who's fault is that crash? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred, I think you kind of missed what I was trying to describe. There's early, and there's WAY WAY too early. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >Well, no shit :) > > > >-Larry > > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >> >someone braked WAY, WAY too early going into the Bus Stop and it

caused a > >> >daisy-chain effect. I had to slam on the brakes to keep from hittingthe > >> >car in front of me, and we were no where near the normal braking point:( > >> > >> Remember, not everyone brakes at the same point... > > I was just reminding you to be *aware* of such a situation. Say you're > following someone, and you normally brake at the 100 marker. The personyou're

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> following brakes at the 300 marker, you're caught unawares, and punt him. > Who's fault is that crash? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

You just have to be more aware of the guy(s) you're following so you can avoid setting yourself up for a wreck. In article <BAh%a.1351$Go4.330@lakeread01>, [email hidden] says...

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> Eldred, > > I think you kind of missed what I was trying to describe. > > There's early, and there's WAY WAY too early. > > -Larry > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >Well, no shit :) > > > > > >-Larry > > > > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > >> >someone braked WAY, WAY too early going into the Bus Stop and it > caused a > > >> >daisy-chain effect. I had to slam on the brakes to keep from hitting > the > > >> >car in front of me, and we were no where near the normal braking point > :( > > >> > > >> Remember, not everyone brakes at the same point... > > > > I was just reminding you to be *aware* of such a situation. Say you're > > following someone, and you normally brake at the 100 marker. The person > you're > > following brakes at the 300 marker, you're caught unawares, and punt him. > > Who's fault is that crash? > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > >

Ok. -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> You just have to be more aware of the guy(s) you're following so you > can avoid setting yourself up for a wreck. > > > In article <BAh%a.1351$Go4.330@lakeread01>, [email hidden] says... > > Eldred, > > > > I think you kind of missed what I was trying to describe. > > > > There's early, and there's WAY WAY too early. > > > > -Larry > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > >Well, no shit :) > > > > > > > >-Larry > > > > > > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > >> >someone braked WAY, WAY too early going into the Bus Stop and it > > caused a > > > >> >daisy-chain effect. I had to slam on the brakes to keep from

hitting > > the > > > >> >car in front of me, and we were no where near the normal brakingpoint > > :( > > > >> > > > >> Remember, not everyone brakes at the same point... > > > > > > I was just reminding you to be *aware* of such a situation. Sayyou're > > > following someone, and you normally brake at the 100 marker. Theperson > > you're > > > following brakes at the 300 marker, you're caught unawares, and punthim.

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> > > Who's fault is that crash? > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > >

In article <BAh%a.1351$Go4.330@lakeread01>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred, > >I think you kind of missed what I was trying to describe. > >There's early, and there's WAY WAY too early. Some people also have a tendency to brake early when they're being followed. Call it distraction, nervousness, lack of confidence, whatever. There is also a problem(at least in GPL) of losing the sound of your own engine because of the other car. In your car it sounds like you're going much faster. As a result, you slow down more(and sooner) than you normally would... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Then there is the situation we had at Watkins Glen. I was ahead of Larry and watching the car in front of me closely for braking as we were deep in the field on the first lap of the race with a tight pack in front. I was watching for early braking, I also probably ( most likely) braked too hard. :-( Sean "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >Well, no shit :) > > > >-Larry > > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >> >someone braked WAY, WAY too early going into the Bus Stop and it

caused a > >> >daisy-chain effect. I had to slam on the brakes to keep from hittingthe > >> >car in front of me, and we were no where near the normal braking point:( > >> > >> Remember, not everyone brakes at the same point... > > I was just reminding you to be *aware* of such a situation. Say you're > following someone, and you normally brake at the 100 marker. The personyou're

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> following brakes at the 300 marker, you're caught unawares, and punt him. > Who's fault is that crash? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.