turn off yellows
Proposal to turn off yellow flags in RASCAR
A one-line suggestion to solve the RASCAR dispute by turning off yellow flags was rejected by John Simmons and opposed by Jan Verschueren and others, who said cautions are integral to NASCAR racing. Eldred listed the drawbacks. The thread became another round of Mitch_A questioning Simmons's authority to decide, with a late call for a members' vote.
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In article <9Hy1b.3540$[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...
> turn off yellows
That ain't gonna happen.
In article <9Hy1b.3540$[email hidden]>, "frederickson"
<[email hidden]> writes:
>turn off yellows
>
Truthfully, I *like* that idea. But it brings its own set of problems. No pit
strategy. Drivers who get caught in a crash early are likely to quit, because
they have no chance of competing. Slower drivers now have NO chance of staying
on the lead lap because there won't be any flags to 'save' them. Faster
drivers might now use the chrome horn more when lapping cars because a)it won't
bring out a yellow, and b) if they lift for a second the guy behind will be all
over them.
Eldred
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Again, for the thousandth time. And who the F*&K are you to make that
decision? Gee, I voulunteered to help out so I guess Im in charge of all
things RASCAR now.
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <9Hy1b.3540$[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
> says...
> > turn off yellows
>
> That ain't gonna happen.
Would that be any different than having yellows turned on and not having a
yellow flag thrown during the race?
"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No pit
> strategy. Drivers who get caught in a crash early are likely to quit,because
> they have no chance of competing. Slower drivers now have NO chance ofstaying
> on the lead lap because there won't be any flags to 'save' them. Faster
> drivers might now use the chrome horn more when lapping cars because a)itwon't
> bring out a yellow, and b) if they lift for a second the guy behind willbe all
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> In article <9Hy1b.3540$[email hidden]>, "frederickson" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >turn off yellows > > > > Truthfully, I *like* that idea. But it brings its own set of problems.Quoted text (7 lines)
> over them. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply."Mitch_A" wrote...
> Again, for the thousandth time. And who the F*&K are
> you to make that decision? Gee, I voulunteered to help
> out so I guess Im in charge of all things RASCAR now.
Read my lips then: never, no way, no how.
Jan.
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"EldredP" wrote...
Turning off yellows indeed turns the races into a free for all. I'm
vehemently opposed to that idea.
Jan.
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> Truthfully, I *like* that idea. But it brings its own > set of problems. No pit strategy. Drivers who get > caught in a crash early are likely to quit, because > they have no chance of competing. Slower drivers now > have NO chance of staying on the lead lap because there > won't be any flags to 'save' them. Faster drivers > might now use the chrome horn more when lapping cars > because a)it won't bring out a yellow, and b) if they > lift for a second the guy behind will be all over them.In article <AOM1b.932$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
> Would that be any different than having yellows turned on and not having a
> yellow flag thrown during the race?
>
Given the state of oniine racing, you could view it either as a
"miracle", or as "a damn good race".
I dont want yellows off either Jan. Thats not the point.
The "read my lips" comment doesnt work to well, just ask G.Bush Sr. :-)
Hell that comment single handedly elected B.Clinton. Keyword here,
"ELECTED".
"Jan Verschueren" >
> Read my lips then: never, no way, no how.
>
> Jan.
> =---
>
>
"Mitch_A" wrote...
> I dont want yellows off either Jan. Thats not
> the point.
No the point is there's also drivers who do support John running the show.
Who says you are the voice of the people?
> The "read my lips" comment doesnt work to well,
> just ask G.Bush Sr. :-)
> Hell that comment single handedly elected
> B.Clinton. Keyword here, "ELECTED".
Can G. Bush Jr. even pronounce that word? <g>
Jan.
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In article <16N1b.83137$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
We know he can't pronounce "nuclear"...
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> "Mitch_A" wrote... > > I dont want yellows off either Jan. Thats not > > the point. > > No the point is there's also drivers who do support John running the show. > Who says you are the voice of the people? > > > The "read my lips" comment doesnt work to well, > > just ask G.Bush Sr. :-) > > Hell that comment single handedly elected > > B.Clinton. Keyword here, "ELECTED". > > Can G. Bush Jr. even pronounce that word? <g> >Believe me JS this is one rule Id fight against. Yellows are an integral
part of Nascar racing and should be on.
See we can occasionally agree on something. Like Ive said before, this isnt
anything personal against you or Eldred. I do APPRECIATE what both of you
do for RASCAR. Why we can "try-out" or "test" your rules and others are
just blatantly refused is my concern. As Ive said over and over. A few
small steps at a time to improve the racing and Im in lock-step. Telling me
when I can or cant say something/anything is over stepping your bounds
totally.
.
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <AOM1b.932$[email hidden]>,
> [email hidden] says...
> > Would that be any different than having yellows turned on and not havinga
> > yellow flag thrown during the race?
> >
>
> Given the state of oniine racing, you could view it either as a
> "miracle", or as "a damn good race".
In article <sfN1b.996$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
Funny you should mention that...
The stop arguing by Tuesday idea was Sean's. See, I do listen, and I
do implement good ideas that I think will be beneficial for the
group.
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> Believe me JS this is one rule Id fight against. Yellows are an integral > part of Nascar racing and should be on. > > See we can occasionally agree on something. Like Ive said before, this isnt > anything personal against you or Eldred. I do APPRECIATE what both of you > do for RASCAR. Why we can "try-out" or "test" your rules and others are > just blatantly refused is my concern.I never claimed to anyone's voice but my own unlike the other half. My
problem is my voice doesnt count at all and others voices count for
everything. Thats against what RASCAR was founded on. Just to be clear, I
support making the racing better, some of the many proposed rules have no
relationship to better racing and thats the crux.
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> No the point is there's also drivers who do support John running the show.
> Who says you are the voice of the people?
>
Notice the three I's.
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message .
See, I do listen, and I
> do implement good ideas that I think will be beneficial for the
> group.
>
Re-re-re-re-hash:
RASCAR was formed to give like-minded drivers a place to race longer
races without being worried about intentional wreckers ruining their
day. The side benefit is supposed to be that we get to know our
fellow competitors racing styles and learn how to adapt our own to
fit into the grand scheme of racing with the group. Nowhere anywhere
ever has there been a stated desire to make sure everyone got to have
their own personal set of rules implemented. To provide guidance, the
first rules were actually called "guidelines", suggesting proper
behaviour onthe track, and what you should/shouldn't in order to
promote the clean racing we all really wanted.
This season, we decided to make some of the guidelines into actual
bona-fide "rules" because of the swell of interest in the league by
newbies and aliens alike. In the two years we've been running
RASCAR, only three drivers have ever been punished for something, and
only one of those was for something they did on the track. The other
two were punished because of an overly heated exchange in this
newsgroup.
Because of these incidents, and the generally lower quality of racing
we've been experiencing, the rules were clarified, and actual on-
track penalties were announced. Now, you have to repeatedly break the
rules to get a suspension, but breaking the rules earns you a black
flag for the next race you run in. At least you're still racing (and
with a very real chance of still placing well) instead of sitting the
race out completely.
I think the mere threat of penalties will improve the racing. If
someone decides to test the system, everyone will see that I do, in
fact mean business, and everyone will then hopefully settle down
again, and try to drive smarter and come to races more prepared than
earlier in the season.
I really don't see why you have a problem with that Mitch.
In article <xkN1b.998$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
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> I never claimed to anyone's voice but my own unlike the other half. My > problem is my voice doesnt count at all and others voices count for > everything. Thats against what RASCAR was founded on. Just to be clear, I > support making the racing better, some of the many proposed rules have no > relationship to better racing and thats the crux. > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:16N1b.83137$[email hidden]... > > No the point is there's also drivers who do support John running the show. > > Who says you are the voice of the people? > > > > >And who are you then? Oh, I forgot. You are the guy who was ordered
yesterday not to do any more race reports.
David G Fisher
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Mitch_A" wrote... > > Again, for the thousandth time. And who the F*&K are > > you to make that decision? Gee, I voulunteered to help > > out so I guess Im in charge of all things RASCAR now. > > Read my lips then: never, no way, no how. > > Jan. > =--- > >I don't want yellows turned off
Sean
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Mitch_A" wrote... > > Again, for the thousandth time. And who the F*&K are > > you to make that decision? Gee, I voulunteered to help > > out so I guess Im in charge of all things RASCAR now. > > Read my lips then: never, no way, no how. > > Jan. > =--- > >"David G Fisher" wrote...
> And who are you then? Oh, I forgot. You are the guy
> who was ordered yesterday not to do any more race
> reports.
No, I'm the guy who likes yellow on. Don't get off topic. <g>
Jan.
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Why even go there? This isnt the Flight-Sim NG <vbseg>
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in > Can G.
Bush Jr. even pronounce that word? <g>
>
> Jan.
> =---
>
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In article <AOM1b.932$[email hidden]>, "Mitch_A"
<[email hidden]> writes:
>Would that be any different than having yellows turned on and not having a
>yellow flag thrown during the race?
If we EVER had a RASCAR race without a yellow flag(when it was enabled), I'd
probably have a heart attack...<g>
Come on, even at Indy Michigan we had 5 flags. If *I* can get around those
tracks without wrecking, they're EASY. Most of the rest of the drivers in our
group are better than me, but they still crashed.
Eldred
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"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yPM1b.83082$[email hidden]...
Be democratic about it.
Let everyone vote on it.
