Well, the grubbat dodge was dialed in but a glitch at the beginning kept
the car from starting the race untill one lap down. After getting on the
track, yellow came out and somehow got a bf for passing 11 whom I never saw.
I called it a bogus BF but Jan corrected me by saying there is no such thing
as a bogus bf in RASCAR. Started out 4 laps down when it was all said and
done and managed to keep it that way for most of the race. Number 3 car
wouldn't give me nuthin on the restart and I almost got 1 lap back but
couldn't hold off his fast car. I dont blame him now cause this is racing.
If I couldn't stay in front of him, I didn't need to be there. Simple as
that. Good race #3.
We simply had some long green flag runs here and I was surprised.
One thing about bristol: If you are a lap down and have to pit, you dont
have enough time to get your car serviced and repaired to get back out on
the track before the green flag waves. Never encountered this before now and
it really sucks.
See yall next week.
grub
RASCAR Bristol race and pace-car mix-up
After the RASCAR Bristol race, drivers argued over an early caution where Robert Huggins, the leader, slowed on the apron and several cars passed the pace car and drew black flags. Some accused him of deliberately not using chat to make a point about the no-chat rule, but explanations and apologies followed, including from Sean McWhom. The consensus was that it was a confusing Bristol moment worsened by unhelpful spotters.
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:30:15 -0400, grub wrote:
>
> One thing about bristol: If you are a lap down and have to pit, you dont
> have enough time to get your car serviced and repaired to get back out on
> the track before the green flag waves. Never encountered this before now and
> it really sucks.
>
Apparently, it's been fixed in the patch, but as I wrote earlier, all the
admin has to do is type "!yellow" on the lap before the re-start to add one
more yellow lap and that gives you plenty of time...
"grub" wrote...
> Well, the grubbat dodge was dialed in but a glitch
> at the beginning kept the car from starting the race
> untill one lap down. After getting on the track, yellow
> came out and somehow got a bf for passing 11 whom I
> never saw. I called it a bogus BF but Jan corrected me
> by saying there is no such thing as a bogus bf in RASCAR.
On the first yellow there was a problem with the pacecar picking up the
leader incorrectly or vise versa. So if you pitted on that yellow or didn't
find your correct position before the green came out, you would have gotten
a BF for that. Larry, Bryan and myself only narrowly avoided it (you can't
stop or reverse on track to get into position).
But I thought you said it happened in the pits? -As posted in reply to
Bluestringer above, I'm under the impression there's a bug with regard to
the bit of tarmac between the backstretch and frontstretch pit at T3-T4,
which I think is not totally regarded as pitroad. I think that if you happen
to get ahead of other cars (or maybe it's just the pacecar) on track before
you enter the front stretch pit you're deemed to have passed under yellow.
On the other hand, you were able to pass me there no problem so in that
respect it does act like pitroad, which is strange, to say the least.
Yeah, it was ok on that front. Too bad about the pacing mix-up right at the
beginning.
> One thing about bristol: If you are a lap down and
> have to pit, you dont have enough time to get your
> car serviced and repaired to get back out on the
> track before the green flag waves. Never encountered
> this before now and it really sucks.
Yeah, on the short tracks, the non-lead lap cars really have to boogey to be
ready for a restart. That's why it's important to catch the pacecar
correctly and close up behind it ASAP (and that doesn't mean touring around
at 6000rpm in 2nd, as I experienced today), so people can pit on their
proper lap and don't wast too much time getting in.
Jan.
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> Started out 4 laps down when it was all said and > done and managed to keep it that way for most of > the race. Number 3 car wouldn't give me nuthin on > the restart and I almost got 1 lap back but couldn't > hold off his fast car. I dont blame him now cause > this is racing. > If I couldn't stay in front of him, I didn't need > to be there. Simple as that. Good race #3. > > We simply had some long green flag runs here and > I was surprised.
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On the first yellow there was a problem with the pacecar picking up the
> leader incorrectly or vise versa. So if you pitted on that yellow ordidn't
> find your correct position before the green came out, you would havegotten
> a BF for that. Larry, Bryan and myself only narrowly avoided it (you can't
> stop or reverse on track to get into position).
On that first caution why couldn't you guys drive around the track and pass
the cars that you were already scored ahead of?
Kyle
"Kyle Roberts" wrote...
> <snip>
> On that first caution why couldn't you guys drive
> around the track and pass the cars that you were
> already scored ahead of?
Here's what happened, the caution came out and Robert Huggins took it, but
for some reasone slowed nearly to a stop on the apron down the fron stretch.
Larry, in P2, went by him as he still had momentum, with Bryan Oster and
myself following suit. Seeing as the leader was not behind the pacecar, we
continued past it. As Robert catches up with it he has to stay behind it,
leaving the 3 of us hanging out to dry. I hadn't even noticed I'd gone
around the leader eventhough he'd been in my view (but on the apron) for a
while. I even hesitated to go around this car (I didn't recognise it as beig
the leader when the caution came out... I still assumed it to be ahead of
me) as I had taken the caution, but the spotter only started whining about
the #3 well after I'd followed Brian around the pacecar.
It would have been a lot easier if Robert had just kept going. Even if,
after blowing past it, he was ordered to stay behind the pacecar, he would
have been ahead of us to stop us going around another lap at speed and
getting out of sync with the field. I have to ask: what was the deal with
slowing a crawl off track on taking the yellow, Robert? -It sure as hell had
nothing to with avoidance of the incident which triggered the yellow. How
could you possibly have assumed we'd notice you slowing for the caution when
you didn't do it on track? -Not responding to our chat messages wasn't
exactly helpfull either.
Anyway, here's the reason why this shit happens: we have no human sitting on
top of the crash cart telling us what to do. We rely on the game for
information and it never once protested about passing #3 or the pacecar
before it was *WAY* too late to do anything about it.
This incident ruined an otherwise relatively good race. 9 yellows is not
exactly excessive for a Bristol race.
Jan.
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> How
> could you possibly have assumed we'd notice you slowing for the cautionwhen
> you didn't do it on track? -Not responding to our chat messages wasn't
> exactly helpfull either.
>
Chatting isn't allowed, remember?
"frederickson" wrote...
> > <sni>
>
> Chatting isn't allowed, remember?
There's a difference between "chatting" and relaying vital information to
fellow competitors. Unless Robert was trying to make a point, of course.
Jan.
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"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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For Pete's Sake. As John has already said, racing related (important)
information is allowable.
I will grant that I am in a pissy mood myself today but really, what are we
a bunch of high school kids.
Get off the semantecs and live with the intention of the rules.
Sean
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> "frederickson" wrote... > > > <sni> > > > > Chatting isn't allowed, remember? > > There's a difference between "chatting" and relaying vital information to > fellow competitors. Unless Robert was trying to make a point, of course. > > Jan. > =--- > >
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It still would have made the field accordion its too hard to read while
driving
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> "frederickson" wrote... > > > <sni> > > > > Chatting isn't allowed, remember? > > There's a difference between "chatting" and relaying vital information to > fellow competitors. Unless Robert was trying to make a point, of course. > > Jan.My apologies to Brian Farmer. Had some good clean racing with you for awhile. I
lost it out of 4? and completly screwed the pooch by not being able to keep my
car off the track and came right up in front of Brian killing both of our
motors. Sorry Brian...
Dan
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I have to ask: what was the deal with slowing a crawl off track on takingthe yellow, Robert?
Lap 13, turn 3, the 83 car warps taking out the 99 car to bring out the
caution. This happened right in front of me. I was on the brakes not
knowing how hard the 99 car was going to bounce off the outside wall. Then
I was on the gas to pass the 99 car. Then I remember recently passing the
42 car putting him a lap down. I went low to allow him to pass safely and
get his lap back before I took the yellow flag. The 92, 98, and 27 cars
also passed me; but they passed me after I had crossed the s/f line to take
the yellow. I stayed behind the pace car since that is what my spotter was
telling me to do.
We are not allowed to chat during the race. Right? Autochat only. Right?
(LTB-Race#98) cmon 92 car
(BOster#27) Pass LOW.
(LTB-Race#98) where is the 3 ?
(seery#00) 3 go
(LTB-Race#98) cmon 2
(j_versch#17) come on #3
(LTB-Race#98) 3
(seery#00) ffs 3
(LTB-Race#98) 3, get up here!
(grubbat#83) Pitting this lap. Pass HIGH.
(BFarmer#15) 3 pass pc
(seery#00) trying to get us black flagged?#
(LTB-Race#98) cmon 3 now now now!!!
(LTB-Race#98) we're screwed.
(BOster#27) yup
(seery#00) you complete idiot #3
(j_versch#17) slower lar
(LTB-Race#98) LNB, you have screwed us all'
(grubbat#83) tks 11
(steve wh#92) i'm screwed got bf
(Bamadano#45) shit....my bad
(Bamadano#45) sorry
(jsimmons#43) mark
(BFarmer#15) k...blu mtr
(RDressle#52) Pitting.
(j_versch#17) pit #3
(jsimmons#43) mark pass me
(Bamadano#45) damn sorry brian
(steve wh#92) con gone flacky. hve fun guys
(BFarmer#15) no sweat dan... all messed up anyway
(grubbat#83) 3lps down. this is terrible
(Bamadano#45) lol...no excuses..i lost it
steve whitty:Client has manually disconnected.
(seery#00) Pitting this lap. Pass HIGH.
s_brunt:Client has manually disconnected.
(jsimmons#43) 1
(jsimmons#43) this is redeiculous
(jsimmons#43) i'm out
(grubbat#83) tks 3, could have gotton that lap back
(jsimmons#43) nobody's paying attention to what the pace car is doing
jsimmons:Client has manually disconnected.
(grubbat#83) rs
"Robert Huggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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><snip>
exactly what I was saying
So, #3 you are making an example out of the rest of the field to make a
point????
High school antics at its best!!!
Damn guys, get a grip!
Sean
Upon further review, I would boot the #3 car from the league for this stupid
shit!!!!!!!!
Autochat only, what a bunch of BS.
Sean
"McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Upon further review, I would boot the #3 car from the league for thisstupid
> shit!!!!!!!!
> Autochat only, what a bunch of BS.
>Bets on how many left in the "league" by Friday are being taken now.
I say 2. Adolf and Herman.
Sorry bout that. I didnt know that I warped.
grub
"Robert Huggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > I have to ask: what was the deal with slowing a crawl off track ontaking
> the yellow, Robert?
>
> Lap 13, turn 3, the 83 car warps taking out the 99 car to bring out the
> caution. This happened right in front of me. I was on the brakes not
> knowing how hard the 99 car was going to bounce off the outside wall.Then
> I was on the gas to pass the 99 car. Then I remember recently passing the
> 42 car putting him a lap down. I went low to allow him to pass safely and
> get his lap back before I took the yellow flag. The 92, 98, and 27 cars
> also passed me; but they passed me after I had crossed the s/f line totake
> the yellow. I stayed behind the pace car since that is what my spotterwas
> telling me to do.
>
> We are not allowed to chat during the race. Right? Autochat only.Right?
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> > (LTB-Race#98) cmon 92 car > (BOster#27) Pass LOW. > (LTB-Race#98) where is the 3 ? > (seery#00) 3 go > (LTB-Race#98) cmon 2 > (j_versch#17) come on #3 > (LTB-Race#98) 3 > (seery#00) ffs 3 > (LTB-Race#98) 3, get up here! > (grubbat#83) Pitting this lap. Pass HIGH. > (BFarmer#15) 3 pass pc > (seery#00) trying to get us black flagged?# > (LTB-Race#98) cmon 3 now now now!!! > (LTB-Race#98) we're screwed. > (BOster#27) yup > (seery#00) you complete idiot #3 > (j_versch#17) slower lar > (LTB-Race#98) LNB, you have screwed us all' > (grubbat#83) tks 11 > (steve wh#92) i'm screwed got bf > (Bamadano#45) shit....my bad > (Bamadano#45) sorry > (jsimmons#43) mark > (BFarmer#15) k...blu mtr > (RDressle#52) Pitting. > (j_versch#17) pit #3 > (jsimmons#43) mark pass me > (Bamadano#45) damn sorry brian > (steve wh#92) con gone flacky. hve fun guys > (BFarmer#15) no sweat dan... all messed up anyway > (grubbat#83) 3lps down. this is terrible > (Bamadano#45) lol...no excuses..i lost it > steve whitty:Client has manually disconnected. > (seery#00) Pitting this lap. Pass HIGH. > s_brunt:Client has manually disconnected. > (jsimmons#43) 1 > (jsimmons#43) this is redeiculous > (jsimmons#43) i'm out > (grubbat#83) tks 3, could have gotton that lap back > (jsimmons#43) nobody's paying attention to what the pace car is doing > jsimmons:Client has manually disconnected. > (grubbat#83) rs > > > > >Actually, for a bristol race, that really not a lot of chatting.
"Robert Huggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:eoU1b.83807$[email hidden]...
> > I have to ask: what was the deal with slowing a crawl off track ontaking
> the yellow, Robert?
>
> Lap 13, turn 3, the 83 car warps taking out the 99 car to bring out the
> caution. This happened right in front of me. I was on the brakes not
> knowing how hard the 99 car was going to bounce off the outside wall.Then
> I was on the gas to pass the 99 car. Then I remember recently passing the
> 42 car putting him a lap down. I went low to allow him to pass safely and
> get his lap back before I took the yellow flag. The 92, 98, and 27 cars
> also passed me; but they passed me after I had crossed the s/f line totake
> the yellow. I stayed behind the pace car since that is what my spotterwas
> telling me to do.
>
> We are not allowed to chat during the race. Right? Autochat only.Right?
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> > (LTB-Race#98) cmon 92 car > (BOster#27) Pass LOW. > (LTB-Race#98) where is the 3 ? > (seery#00) 3 go > (LTB-Race#98) cmon 2 > (j_versch#17) come on #3 > (LTB-Race#98) 3 > (seery#00) ffs 3 > (LTB-Race#98) 3, get up here! > (grubbat#83) Pitting this lap. Pass HIGH. > (BFarmer#15) 3 pass pc > (seery#00) trying to get us black flagged?# > (LTB-Race#98) cmon 3 now now now!!! > (LTB-Race#98) we're screwed. > (BOster#27) yup > (seery#00) you complete idiot #3 > (j_versch#17) slower lar > (LTB-Race#98) LNB, you have screwed us all' > (grubbat#83) tks 11 > (steve wh#92) i'm screwed got bf > (Bamadano#45) shit....my bad > (Bamadano#45) sorry > (jsimmons#43) mark > (BFarmer#15) k...blu mtr > (RDressle#52) Pitting. > (j_versch#17) pit #3 > (jsimmons#43) mark pass me > (Bamadano#45) damn sorry brian > (steve wh#92) con gone flacky. hve fun guys > (BFarmer#15) no sweat dan... all messed up anyway > (grubbat#83) 3lps down. this is terrible > (Bamadano#45) lol...no excuses..i lost it > steve whitty:Client has manually disconnected. > (seery#00) Pitting this lap. Pass HIGH. > s_brunt:Client has manually disconnected. > (jsimmons#43) 1 > (jsimmons#43) this is redeiculous > (jsimmons#43) i'm out > (grubbat#83) tks 3, could have gotton that lap back > (jsimmons#43) nobody's paying attention to what the pace car is doing > jsimmons:Client has manually disconnected. > (grubbat#83) rs > > > > >"Robert Huggins" wrote...
There's fairly little opportunity to let anyone have their lap back at
Bristol, but fair enough. It's our fault for assuming you'd be up the road.
I would have appreciated you indicating you were stuck behind the pacecar
though.
> We are not allowed to chat during the race. Right?
> Autochat only. Right?
> <snip>
You didn't honestly believe anyone would take a blind bit of notice in a
situation like that? -Anyway, here's another rule...
"Once you cross the start/finish line, DO NOT slam on the brakes or make
sudden movements or lane changes. Just lift and lightly brake if needed."
Let's call it even, shall we?
Jan.
=---
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> > <snip> > Lap 13, turn 3, the 83 car warps taking out the 99 car > to bring out the caution. This happened right in front > of me. I was on the brakes not knowing how hard the 99 > car was going to bounce off the outside wall. Then > I was on the gas to pass the 99 car. Then I remember > recently passing the 42 car putting him a lap down. I > went low to allow him to pass safely and get his lap > back before I took the yellow flag. The 92, 98, and 27 > cars also passed me; but they passed me after I had > crossed the s/f line to take the yellow. I stayed > behind the pace car since that is what my spotter was > telling me to do.
"McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Upon further review, I would boot the #3 car from the league for thisstupid
Which one of the RASCAR drivers is Sean McWhom ?
Guys, I'm just trying to follow the rules here and not get a penalty.
Why do so many RASCAR participants think everyone is out to get them?
I read the rules. I exchanged messages with John in the RASCAR forum about
some of them.
John even pointed out that I violated a rule at Michigan by driving over 65
mph on 3 of the 4 restarts when I was the leader.
I was trying real hard to follow the RASCAR rules and not get a penalty.
I did not intentionally do anything that would hurt any of my RASCAR
friends. I was trying to help the 42 car by giving him his lap back.
Please accept my apologies for anything that I did wrong.
Please tell me what I did wrong and I will try to do better next time.
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> shit!!!!!!!! > Autochat only, what a bunch of BS. > > > Sean > >Robert, I'm pretty confident it's just a matter of everyone getting used to you.
Last year, I wrecked everyone trying to give a lap back, and if it hadn't been
for Brian speaking up, I'm sure it would have been much worse for me.
Don't fret over it.
--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com
"Robert Huggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >
> Please tell me what I did wrong and I will try to do better next time.
>
You can always find McWhom easily Huggins. He's the guy spinning himself
out or wrecking others due to ineptitude :)
"Robert Huggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
"Robert Huggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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about
> some of them.
>
> John even pointed out that I violated a rule at Michigan by driving over65
Thanks for that Robert. I saw you on the apron, and I knew you was waiting
for me to go by. I wasn't up front, so I don't know what the deal was with
the pace car.
bluestringer #42
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> > "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Upon further review, I would boot the #3 car from the league for this > stupid > > shit!!!!!!!! > > Autochat only, what a bunch of BS. > > > > > > Sean > > > > > Which one of the RASCAR drivers is Sean McWhom ? > > Guys, I'm just trying to follow the rules here and not get a penalty. > > Why do so many RASCAR participants think everyone is out to get them? > > I read the rules. I exchanged messages with John in the RASCAR forumQuoted text (15 lines)
> mph on 3 of the 4 restarts when I was the leader. > > I was trying real hard to follow the RASCAR rules and not get a penalty. > > I did not intentionally do anything that would hurt any of my RASCAR > friends. I was trying to help the 42 car by giving him his lap back. > > Please accept my apologies for anything that I did wrong. > > Please tell me what I did wrong and I will try to do better next time. > > > > >
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I don't want to start a back and forth situation here. I admit there were
several people confused and they all think I did something wrong so
apparently I goofed. I'm sorry about that.
Please tell me what I was supposed to do, within the rules, that could have
made the race better.
I do not understand your phrase "You didn't honestly believe anyone would
take a blind bit of notice in a situation like that?"
Are you saying that it would have been OK to violate the "no chat" rule
because several racers were confused?
What one line chat could I have typed while driving that could have cleared
everything up?
"WHEN YOU COME TO THE YELLOW FLAG, STAY BEHIND THE PACE CAR" ???
I was told the rule was "no chat" and I followed that rule. Please re-state
that rule differently and get it published on the RASCAR rules page if I was
supposed to do anything different.
I guess you are trying to point out that I violated another rule by typing:
> "Once you cross the start/finish line, DO NOT slam on the brakes or make
> sudden movements or lane changes. Just lift and lightly brake if needed."
Well, as stated before, I had to slow for the wreck. I stayed low BEFORE
the s/f line. I maintained the low and slow position I was in because of
the wreck avoidance. I DID NOT slam on brakes or make sudden movements
after I crossed the start/finish line.
OK, guys, let's stop this back and forth.
I admit there was confusion during that first caution.
I admit some of that confusion resulted from me going low to allow the 42
car to get his lap back.
Please give me whatever punishment the RASCAR rules say I deserve and let's
be fair about this.
I am sorry if I messed anyone up. I did not intentionally do anything to
cause the caution or the confusion during the caution. I just reacted to
the events of the race as they happened to the best of my ability.
Some of you guys seem to think it was all a plot to ruin your race.
I'm sorry for the mistakes I made during the Bristol race!
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> You didn't honestly believe anyone would take a blind bit of notice in a > situation like that? -Anyway, here's another rule... > > "Once you cross the start/finish line, DO NOT slam on the brakes or make > sudden movements or lane changes. Just lift and lightly brake if needed." > > Let's call it even, shall we? > > Jan. > =--- > >
"Robert Huggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...<snip>
> >
> Which one of the RASCAR drivers is Sean McWhom ?
>I am the #12 car, McWhom is my psuedonym on usenet.
> Guys, I'm just trying to follow the rules here and not get a penalty.
>
> Why do so many RASCAR participants think everyone is out to get them?
>
> I read the rules. I exchanged messages with John in the RASCAR forumabout
> some of them.
>
> John even pointed out that I violated a rule at Michigan by driving over65
It seemed to me that you had not responded to the chats on purpose and then
posted to make a point of following the rules to the letter by not
responding where it would seem a response was needed.
I read in foul intent, I apologize to you if I was mistaken.
Sean
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> mph on 3 of the 4 restarts when I was the leader. > > I was trying real hard to follow the RASCAR rules and not get a penalty. > > I did not intentionally do anything that would hurt any of my RASCAR > friends. I was trying to help the 42 car by giving him his lap back. > > Please accept my apologies for anything that I did wrong. > > Please tell me what I did wrong and I will try to do better next time. >
> I don't want to start a back and forth situation here. I admit there were
> several people confused and they all think I did something wrong so
> apparently I goofed. I'm sorry about that.
>
> Please tell me what I was supposed to do, within the rules, that couldhave
cleared
> everything up?
>
> "WHEN YOU COME TO THE YELLOW FLAG, STAY BEHIND THE PACE CAR" ???
>
> I was told the rule was "no chat" and I followed that rule. Pleasere-state
> that rule differently and get it published on the RASCAR rules page if Iwas
> supposed to do anything different.
>
>
>
> I guess you are trying to point out that I violated another rule bytyping:
>
> > "Once you cross the start/finish line, DO NOT slam on the brakes or make
> > sudden movements or lane changes. Just lift and lightly brake ifneeded."
let's
Now this guy has class.
I though grub was the best fisherman here, as well !
Are you going to throw any of these suckers back, or what ???
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> made the race better. > > I do not understand your phrase "You didn't honestly believe anyone would > take a blind bit of notice in a situation like that?" > > Are you saying that it would have been OK to violate the "no chat" rule > because several racers were confused? > > What one line chat could I have typed while driving that could haveQuoted text (15 lines)
> > Well, as stated before, I had to slow for the wreck. I stayed low BEFORE > the s/f line. I maintained the low and slow position I was in because of > the wreck avoidance. I DID NOT slam on brakes or make sudden movements > after I crossed the start/finish line. > > > OK, guys, let's stop this back and forth. > > I admit there was confusion during that first caution. > > I admit some of that confusion resulted from me going low to allow the 42 > car to get his lap back. > > Please give me whatever punishment the RASCAR rules say I deserve andQuoted text (9 lines)
> be fair about this. > > I am sorry if I messed anyone up. I did not intentionally do anything to > cause the caution or the confusion during the caution. I just reacted to > the events of the race as they happened to the best of my ability. > > Some of you guys seem to think it was all a plot to ruin your race. > > I'm sorry for the mistakes I made during the Bristol race!Next time help me out by giving me back my 3 laps!!!!
:)
I would do the same, trust me. :)
grub
"Robert Huggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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about
> some of them.
>
> John even pointed out that I violated a rule at Michigan by driving over65
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> > "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Upon further review, I would boot the #3 car from the league for this > stupid > > shit!!!!!!!! > > Autochat only, what a bunch of BS. > > > > > > Sean > > > > > Which one of the RASCAR drivers is Sean McWhom ? > > Guys, I'm just trying to follow the rules here and not get a penalty. > > Why do so many RASCAR participants think everyone is out to get them? > > I read the rules. I exchanged messages with John in the RASCAR forumQuoted text (15 lines)
> mph on 3 of the 4 restarts when I was the leader. > > I was trying real hard to follow the RASCAR rules and not get a penalty. > > I did not intentionally do anything that would hurt any of my RASCAR > friends. I was trying to help the 42 car by giving him his lap back. > > Please accept my apologies for anything that I did wrong. > > Please tell me what I did wrong and I will try to do better next time. > > > > >No plot, you were just so doggone good.
grub
"Robert Huggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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needed."
have
cleared
> everything up?
>
> "WHEN YOU COME TO THE YELLOW FLAG, STAY BEHIND THE PACE CAR" ???
>
> I was told the rule was "no chat" and I followed that rule. Pleasere-state
> that rule differently and get it published on the RASCAR rules page if Iwas
> supposed to do anything different.
>
>
>
> I guess you are trying to point out that I violated another rule bytyping:
>
> > "Once you cross the start/finish line, DO NOT slam on the brakes or make
> > sudden movements or lane changes. Just lift and lightly brake ifneeded."
let's
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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5y32b.84911$[email hidden]... > > You didn't honestly believe anyone would take a blind bit of notice in a > > situation like that? -Anyway, here's another rule... > > > > "Once you cross the start/finish line, DO NOT slam on the brakes or make > > sudden movements or lane changes. Just lift and lightly brake ifQuoted text (13 lines)
> > > > Let's call it even, shall we? > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > > > > I don't want to start a back and forth situation here. I admit there were > several people confused and they all think I did something wrong so > apparently I goofed. I'm sorry about that. > > Please tell me what I was supposed to do, within the rules, that couldQuoted text (9 lines)
> made the race better. > > I do not understand your phrase "You didn't honestly believe anyone would > take a blind bit of notice in a situation like that?" > > Are you saying that it would have been OK to violate the "no chat" rule > because several racers were confused? > > What one line chat could I have typed while driving that could haveQuoted text (15 lines)
> > Well, as stated before, I had to slow for the wreck. I stayed low BEFORE > the s/f line. I maintained the low and slow position I was in because of > the wreck avoidance. I DID NOT slam on brakes or make sudden movements > after I crossed the start/finish line. > > > OK, guys, let's stop this back and forth. > > I admit there was confusion during that first caution. > > I admit some of that confusion resulted from me going low to allow the 42 > car to get his lap back. > > Please give me whatever punishment the RASCAR rules say I deserve andQuoted text (15 lines)
> be fair about this. > > I am sorry if I messed anyone up. I did not intentionally do anything to > cause the caution or the confusion during the caution. I just reacted to > the events of the race as they happened to the best of my ability. > > Some of you guys seem to think it was all a plot to ruin your race. > > I'm sorry for the mistakes I made during the Bristol race! > > > > > >"Robert Huggins" wrote...
> > <snip>
>
> I don't want to start a back and forth situation here. I
> admit there were several people confused and they all
> think I did something wrong so apparently I goofed.
> I'm sorry about that.
Neither do I, I was perhaps a bit too confrontational because I was miffed
about getting hung out to dry like that and looking stupid.
I wouldn't say you did anything wrong, but rather acted in an unexpected
way. I've never seen anyone give a lap back at Bristol unless they were
still side by side, because of the difficulty and dangers involved in really
slowing to let someone through. Indeed, if you'd done it the normal way, I
think the 3 of us would have piled into you (the racing line had cleared
when we got to the incident).
> Please tell me what I was supposed to do, within the
> rules, that could have made the race better.
You're not supposed to do anything. Now that I know what actually happened,
I know where I went wrong (that's the trouble with racing, you can't sit
back and think things through before acting) and can try to avoid that in
future. I simply didn't realise the car on the apron was not involved in the
incident and had taken the yellow normally. I also didn't recognise it as
being that of the race leader.
At the time I had expected you to continue, at speed until at least T1,
perhaps waiting for the pacecar near the end of the back straight.
Basically, as the race leader, I think you should plant your car on the
racing line so nobody gets any ideas about getting ahead of you. Being on
the apron gives the impression you were involved in the incident and
therefore the game might allow one to pass you.
> I do not understand your phrase "You didn't honestly believe
> anyone would take a blind bit of notice in a situation like
> that?"
>
> Are you saying that it would have been OK to violate the
> "no chat" rule because several racers were confused?
I'm saying most of us know John is less draconian as he sounds. He's been
saying "no chat" for almost two years now.
Besides, from my point of view it's not a bad thing to start a the back in
the next race if it prevents me from getting my ass black flagged in this
one.
> What one line chat could I have typed while driving that
> could have cleared everything up?
"stuck behind pacecar"
> "WHEN YOU COME TO THE YELLOW FLAG, STAY BEHIND THE PACE CAR" ???
Yes, but there's the trouble, you see, everyone passing s/f behind you gets
a "we're under caution" message, regardless of whether you, the leader, have
taken the caution or not. The only way we know we're really under caution is
to see you slowing to get behind the pacecar and, until last race, that did
not include you sitting on the apron of T1 waiting for the pacecar to leave
the pits.
> I was told the rule was "no chat" and I followed that rule.
> Please re-state that rule differently and get it published
> on the RASCAR rules page if I was supposed to do anything
> different.
The rule remains intact and now that John has the power to enforce it, it
might get broken less often. <g>
And I'll have to drive with that <bleep>ing annoying, flashing, distracting,
multi-coloured F2 screen open to prevent me from getting caught out like
that again. No, on second thoughts, I'll take the black flag from the game.
No, you took the yellow flag in an unpredictable manner, which I think is
the spirit of that rule, but, like I said, that was too confrontational of
me.
What penalty can we give you? -You're already at the back of the next one
for winning the race. Just to show we appreciate your talent, you
understand... <vwg>
> I am sorry if I messed anyone up. I did not intentionally
> do anything to cause the caution or the confusion during the
> caution. I just reacted to the events of the race as they
> happened to the best of my ability.
The only thing that happened to us was we couldn't pit under that yellow. I
figured it out just in time and wanted to chat "Larry: STOP!!", but I
couldn't get the message typed. Luckily, Larry figured it out for himself.
> Some of you guys seem to think it was all a plot to ruin
> your race.
I admit I entertained the notion it was a deliberate action on your part to
either get your nearest competitors black flagged, or, at the very least,
make a point about the no chat rule by leaving us hanging, yes.
> I'm sorry for the mistakes I made during the Bristol race!
I forgive you.
Jan.
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> I guess you are trying to point out that I violated another > rule by typing: > > > <snip> > Well, as stated before, I had to slow for the wreck. I > stayed low BEFORE the s/f line. I maintained the low and > slow position I was in because of the wreck avoidance. > I DID NOT slam on brakes or make sudden movements after I > crossed the start/finish line.Quoted text (9 lines)
> OK, guys, let's stop this back and forth. > > I admit there was confusion during that first caution. > > I admit some of that confusion resulted from me going low > to allow the 42 car to get his lap back. > > Please give me whatever punishment the RASCAR rules say I > deserve and let's be fair about this."Robert Huggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > I have to ask: what was the deal with slowing a crawl off track ontaking
> the yellow, Robert?
>
> Lap 13, turn 3, the 83 car warps taking out the 99 car to bring out the
> caution. This happened right in front of me. I was on the brakes not
> knowing how hard the 99 car was going to bounce off the outside wall.Then
> I was on the gas to pass the 99 car. Then I remember recently passing the
> 42 car putting him a lap down. I went low to allow him to pass safely and
> get his lap back before I took the yellow flag. The 92, 98, and 27 cars
> also passed me; but they passed me after I had crossed the s/f line totake
> the yellow. I stayed behind the pace car since that is what my spotterwas
> telling me to do.
>
> We are not allowed to chat during the race. Right? Autochat only.Right?
>
<snip>
> (BFarmer#15) 3 pass pc
<snip>
^^^^
Robert, sorry about this, I thought you were holding things up. :o( You
were showing up in 4th (5th?) on my F2 screen &, seeing some of the other
chat, misunderstood the situation. Also didn't realise who LNB3 (?) was at
the time (brain fade) & should have known better. ;o( (never assume).
After the scolding you got at MI, can't see any other reasonable response.
<VBG>
-Brian
"Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> My apologies to Brian Farmer. Had some good clean racing with you forawhile. I
> lost it out of 4? and completly screwed the pooch by not being able tokeep my
> car off the track and came right up in front of Brian killing both of our
> motors. Sorry Brian...
> Dan
No worries, mate. (just like the sound of that) ;o)
Was fun for awhile, & I look foward to racin' w/ you again.
-Brian
awl shucks, thanks redTed. (Blushing)
(tears forming in grubs eyes)
kinda neat to know that someone out there really cares about the ole grub.
"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> > I don't want to start a back and forth situation here. I admit therewere
would
make
> > > sudden movements or lane changes. Just lift and lightly brake if
> needed."
> >
> > Well, as stated before, I had to slow for the wreck. I stayed lowBEFORE
> > the s/f line. I maintained the low and slow position I was in becauseof
42
to
> > cause the caution or the confusion during the caution. I just reactedto
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> > several people confused and they all think I did something wrong so > > apparently I goofed. I'm sorry about that. > > > > Please tell me what I was supposed to do, within the rules, that could > have > > made the race better. > > > > I do not understand your phrase "You didn't honestly believe anyoneQuoted text (23 lines)
> > take a blind bit of notice in a situation like that?" > > > > Are you saying that it would have been OK to violate the "no chat" rule > > because several racers were confused? > > > > What one line chat could I have typed while driving that could have > cleared > > everything up? > > > > "WHEN YOU COME TO THE YELLOW FLAG, STAY BEHIND THE PACE CAR" ??? > > > > I was told the rule was "no chat" and I followed that rule. Please > re-state > > that rule differently and get it published on the RASCAR rules page if I > was > > supposed to do anything different. > > > > > > > > I guess you are trying to point out that I violated another rule by > typing: > > > > > "Once you cross the start/finish line, DO NOT slam on the brakes orQuoted text (9 lines)
> > the wreck avoidance. I DID NOT slam on brakes or make sudden movements > > after I crossed the start/finish line. > > > > > > OK, guys, let's stop this back and forth. > > > > I admit there was confusion during that first caution. > > > > I admit some of that confusion resulted from me going low to allow theQuoted text (7 lines)
> > car to get his lap back. > > > > Please give me whatever punishment the RASCAR rules say I deserve and > let's > > be fair about this. > > > > I am sorry if I messed anyone up. I did not intentionally do anythingQuoted text (12 lines)
> > the events of the race as they happened to the best of my ability. > > > > Some of you guys seem to think it was all a plot to ruin your race. > > > > I'm sorry for the mistakes I made during the Bristol race! > > Now this guy has class. > I though grub was the best fisherman here, as well ! > Are you going to throw any of these suckers back, or what ??? > > >"McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I am the #12 car, McWhom is my psuedonym on usenet.
I don't see a #12 car in the RASCAR Bristol race.
Sean McWhom, did you race in the RASCAR Bristol race?
Which one of the RASCAR drivers is Sean McWhom ?
We were being told to wait for the 3 car.
-Larry
"Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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can't
> > stop or reverse on track to get into position).
>
> On that first caution why couldn't you guys drive around the track andpass
> the cars that you were already scored ahead of?
>
> Kyle
>
>
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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:1sS1b.83658$[email hidden]... > > On the first yellow there was a problem with the pacecar picking up the > > leader incorrectly or vise versa. So if you pitted on that yellow or > didn't > > find your correct position before the green came out, you would have > gotten > > a BF for that. Larry, Bryan and myself only narrowly avoided it (youThat's exactly right, Jan. I didn't even _see_ the 3 car. I thought that
car down on the Apron _was_ the reason for the Yellow.
I was waiting for help from my spotter, but he just wouldn't say anything
until it was all out of control and then started saying "Let the 3 pass"
every 4 seconds. I wanted to shoot my spotter at that point :)
So, we slowed to about 5mph and I didn't thing the 3 was _ever_ going to
show up, and I thought we were all just screwed.
But, finally, he and the Pace car came along and it mostly worked out.
Just one of those common, weird Bristol pace things. That track has a
history of being hard to figure out pace wise.
-Larry
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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stretch.
> Larry, in P2, went by him as he still had momentum, with Bryan Oster and
> myself following suit. Seeing as the leader was not behind the pacecar, we
> continued past it. As Robert catches up with it he has to stay behind it,
> leaving the 3 of us hanging out to dry. I hadn't even noticed I'd gone
> around the leader eventhough he'd been in my view (but on the apron) for a
> while. I even hesitated to go around this car (I didn't recognise it asbeig
had
> nothing to with avoidance of the incident which triggered the yellow. How
> could you possibly have assumed we'd notice you slowing for the cautionwhen
> you didn't do it on track? -Not responding to our chat messages wasn't
> exactly helpfull either.
>
> Anyway, here's the reason why this shit happens: we have no human sittingon
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> "Kyle Roberts" wrote... > > <snip> > > On that first caution why couldn't you guys drive > > around the track and pass the cars that you were > > already scored ahead of? > > Here's what happened, the caution came out and Robert Huggins took it, but > for some reasone slowed nearly to a stop on the apron down the fronQuoted text (9 lines)
> the leader when the caution came out... I still assumed it to be ahead of > me) as I had taken the caution, but the spotter only started whining about > the #3 well after I'd followed Brian around the pacecar. > > It would have been a lot easier if Robert had just kept going. Even if, > after blowing past it, he was ordered to stay behind the pacecar, he would > have been ahead of us to stop us going around another lap at speed and > getting out of sync with the field. I have to ask: what was the deal with > slowing a crawl off track on taking the yellow, Robert? -It sure as hellQuoted text (11 lines)
> top of the crash cart telling us what to do. We rely on the game for > information and it never once protested about passing #3 or the pacecar > before it was *WAY* too late to do anything about it. > > This incident ruined an otherwise relatively good race. 9 yellows is not > exactly excessive for a Bristol race. > > Jan. > =--- > >You didn't do anything wrong, Robert. It was just one of those confusing,
mystical, Bristol moments where no one knew WTF was going on, and the
spotters were not helping much.
I don't think a ONE of us ever got a message not to pass the pace car. I
know I didn't. I didn't even see the thing...
Larry
"Robert Huggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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about
> some of them.
>
> John even pointed out that I violated a rule at Michigan by driving over65
