RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

..........which proves things are out of hand. Download replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/ I didn't have a single problem in practice with anyone until I made up about three or four seconds on John at one point. He then was all over the track in front of me (not sure why, makes me wonder though) for a few laps in replay 1, and then when I went to go past him, he gave me no room through T3/4 and on exit (despite he himself asking if we should cancel the race just a little while earlier due to latency). He ended up hitting me and wiping out. He makes a sarcastic remark afterwards. Sorry John, I still rarely ever cause a yellow, so you can stuff your little comment. Talking like that during a RASCAR event is not within the "rules" I think also. John apparently won't even concede a position during practice when he's slower or beaten through a turn. Everyone else cooperated nicely under similiar circumstances. Not John. He stays in the black right with me and even though there's a whole lot of track to his right (look at heli view), he ignores it. In replay 2, after pitting, he comes out ahead of me again (happy day) and brakes hard right in front of me, screeching his tires, dropping down to 94 mph at a point entering T1 (gray line after light) when most cars are usually doing 110 to 115 (check #3 and others in replay). We collide, and he then threatens to kick me off the server. ????? No problems in practice with any other drivers except with John. Nice and clean. Clean race. 1 incident point for me, which Grubbat immediately took the blame for when he got loose and some cars rear ended each other. Threatening to kick someone off the server has never happened before, and (surprise) it just happened to occur to me, and right after the talk the past few days. What a coincidence. Yes, I'm sure things will be just fine with the new rules/black flags/punishments. David G Fisher

To start off. I don't know you personally David. So my judgement of you is made on your posts here in ras. You know Dave. I was going to ignore all your comments etc. But you've got me totally pissed off. I had enough of your smartass type when I worked in retail. But you're worse than the them. My customers had an excuse, they were drunk or stoned or both. you're a troll. All you want to do is start another bitch fight with John. You couldn't let todays race be, could you. For fuck sake man. Grow up. If you don't like John, don't talk to him. don't race him. just stay right the hell away from him. I've only just started racing in rascar. If this keeps up, i'll probably leave. not because of John, but you. Which is probably what you're after. Your agenda at the moment, or so it seems is to piss John off, and cause the demise of rascar. Christ man, you two had a coming together on the track. woopee f*****g chook. is it going to scar you for life. Since you were racing on a PRIVATELY owned server, you were there at the owners leisure. He could've booted anyone and not had to give an excuse. It was HIS server. Its just a game. you know, you went to the shop and paid for it. Its designed to give enjoyment. It gives me enjoyment, because I know nothing in it is real. Once I turn it off, its all over. Who gives a shit where we finish in the races. So what if we crash. Is it the end of the world. Is someone going to drop a nuke because of it. Maybe you need, how do the Americans say it.....therapy. If a game and one person can cause you to be so childish in your attitude and actions, you have major problems. Get your hand off your dick and get grip on life. Why did you have to bring this up here and not in the Rascar forum? Simple. to start a public bitch fight. Grow up. Its just a game. I very rarely react like this to someones comments. For all I know, you could be one of the nicest people on Earth. I tried to stay out of this. But like I said at the start, its really pissing me off. If I didn't like Johns attitude or the way he drives, or anyone else that I'm racing near(at the back of the field) in rascar, I wouldn't race. Why put myself in a position to get worked up and angry for. Its the way I was brought up. If you see a problem, avoid it, don't go full steam ahead into it and make the problem worse. Sit back and have a good think about what you're doing, man. Its not healthy. ok. got that off my chest. I'll just put my flack jacket on and fire proof overalls on. Fire away.... Steve "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > ..........which proves things are out of hand. > > Download replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/ > > I didn't have a single problem in practice with anyone until I made upabout

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> three or four seconds on John at one point. He then was all over the track > in front of me (not sure why, makes me wonder though) for a few laps in > replay 1, and then when I went to go past him, he gave me no room through > T3/4 and on exit (despite he himself asking if we should cancel the race > just a little while earlier due to latency). He ended up hitting me and > wiping out. He makes a sarcastic remark afterwards. Sorry John, I still > rarely ever cause a yellow, so you can stuff your little comment. Talking > like that during a RASCAR event is not within the "rules" I think also.

John > apparently won't even concede a position during practice when he's sloweror > beaten through a turn. Everyone else cooperated nicely under similiar > circumstances. Not John. He stays in the black right with me and eventhough > there's a whole lot of track to his right (look at heli view), he ignores > it. > > In replay 2, after pitting, he comes out ahead of me again (happy day) and > brakes hard right in front of me, screeching his tires, dropping down to94 > mph at a point entering T1 (gray line after light) when most cars are > usually doing 110 to 115 (check #3 and others in replay). We collide, andhe

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> then threatens to kick me off the server. > > ????? > > No problems in practice with any other drivers except with John. Nice and > clean. Clean race. 1 incident point for me, which Grubbat immediately took > the blame for when he got loose and some cars rear ended each other. > > Threatening to kick someone off the server has never happened before, and > (surprise) it just happened to occur to me, and right after the talk the > past few days. > > What a coincidence. > > Yes, I'm sure things will be just fine with the new rules/black > flags/punishments. > > David G Fisher > >

"Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f486592$0$6529$[email hidden]... > To start off. Dave, I would say it is time to take a break. You are our of supporters and starting to add newbies to the list. I know, you think I am against you, but if you will look back, I think you will find that I as well as others have decided that you are just unable to find fault in your own driving. Not that this is the case now, I have not and will not look at the replays. John is running RASCAR now, I and others support him. Either get in line or find another group to race with, it is time for this finger pointing shit to stop. If John had originally volunteered and then took charge, that is fine with me. If he needs to be elected then I will be the first to nominate him for office. Any seconds?? Sean

Lol. So basically you think it's ok for a guy who thinks he's got control of RASCAR to cause two incidents in practice with me, make rude comments against me in front of all the other drivers while blaming me for them, and then threaten to throw me off the server even though they weren't my fault? I think you might be the one who needs some therapy (take John with you btw). David G Fisher "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f486592$0$6529$[email hidden]... > To start off. I don't know you personally David. So my judgement of youis > made on your posts here in ras. > You know Dave. I was going to ignore all your comments etc. But you'vegot > me totally pissed off. I had enough of your smartass type when I workedin > retail. But you're worse than the them. My customers had an excuse, they > were drunk or stoned or both. > you're a troll. All you want to do is start another bitch fight withJohn. > You couldn't let todays race be, could you. For fuck sake man. Grow up. > If you don't like John, don't talk to him. don't race him. just stayright > the hell away from him. I've only just started racing in rascar. If this > keeps up, i'll probably leave. not because of John, but you. Which is > probably what you're after. Your agenda at the moment, or so it seems isto

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> piss John off, and cause the demise of rascar. > Christ man, you two had a coming together on the track. woopee f*****g > chook. is it going to scar you for life. Since you were racing on a > PRIVATELY owned server, you were there at the owners leisure. He could've > booted anyone and not had to give an excuse. It was HIS server. > Its just a game. you know, you went to the shop and paid for it. Its > designed to give enjoyment. It gives me enjoyment, because I know nothing

in > it is real. Once I turn it off, its all over. Who gives a shit where we > finish in the races. So what if we crash. Is it the end of the world.Is > someone going to drop a nuke because of it. > Maybe you need, how do the Americans say it.....therapy. If a game andone > person can cause you to be so childish in your attitude and actions, you > have major problems. Get your hand off your dick and get grip on life. > Why did you have to bring this up here and not in the Rascar forum?Simple. > to start a public bitch fight. > Grow up. Its just a game. > I very rarely react like this to someones comments. For all I know, you > could be one of the nicest people on Earth. I tried to stay out of this. > But like I said at the start, its really pissing me off. If I didn't like > Johns attitude or the way he drives, or anyone else that I'm racingnear(at > the back of the field) in rascar, I wouldn't race. Why put myself in a > position to get worked up and angry for. Its the way I was brought up.If > you see a problem, avoid it, don't go full steam ahead into it and makethe > problem worse. > Sit back and have a good think about what you're doing, man. Its not > healthy. > > ok. got that off my chest. I'll just put my flack jacket on and fireproof

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> overalls on. Fire away.... > > Steve > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > ..........which proves things are out of hand. > > > > Download replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/ > > > > I didn't have a single problem in practice with anyone until I made up > about > > three or four seconds on John at one point. He then was all over the

track > > in front of me (not sure why, makes me wonder though) for a few laps in > > replay 1, and then when I went to go past him, he gave me no roomthrough > > T3/4 and on exit (despite he himself asking if we should cancel the race > > just a little while earlier due to latency). He ended up hitting me and > > wiping out. He makes a sarcastic remark afterwards. Sorry John, I still > > rarely ever cause a yellow, so you can stuff your little comment.Talking > > like that during a RASCAR event is not within the "rules" I think also. > John > > apparently won't even concede a position during practice when he'sslower > or > > beaten through a turn. Everyone else cooperated nicely under similiar > > circumstances. Not John. He stays in the black right with me and even > though > > there's a whole lot of track to his right (look at heli view), heignores > > it. > > > > In replay 2, after pitting, he comes out ahead of me again (happy day)and > > brakes hard right in front of me, screeching his tires, dropping down to > 94 > > mph at a point entering T1 (gray line after light) when most cars are > > usually doing 110 to 115 (check #3 and others in replay). We collide,and > he > > then threatens to kick me off the server. > > > > ????? > > > > No problems in practice with any other drivers except with John. Niceand > > clean. Clean race. 1 incident point for me, which Grubbat immediatelytook > > the blame for when he got loose and some cars rear ended each other. > > > > Threatening to kick someone off the server has never happened before,and

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> > (surprise) it just happened to occur to me, and right after the talk the > > past few days. > > > > What a coincidence. > > > > Yes, I'm sure things will be just fine with the new rules/black > > flags/punishments. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > >

"McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3f486592$0$6529$[email hidden]... > > To start off. > > Dave, I would say it is time to take a break. You are our of supportersand > starting to add newbies to the list. I know, you think I am against you, > but if you will look back, I think you will find that I as well as others > have decided that you are just unable to find fault in your own driving. > Not that this is the case now, I have not and will not look at thereplays. > John is running RASCAR now, I and others support him. Either get in lineor > find another group to race with, it is time for this finger pointing shitto > stop. > If John had originally volunteered and then took charge, that is fine with > me. If he needs to be elected then I will be the first to nominate himfor > office. Any seconds?? > > Sean I nominate you. David G Fisher >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Lol. > > So basically you think it's ok for a guy who thinks he's got control of > RASCAR to cause two incidents in practice with me, make rude comments > against me in front of all the other drivers while blaming me for them,and > then threaten to throw me off the server even though they weren't myfault? > > I think you might be the one who needs some therapy (take John with you > btw). > > David G Fisher I don't race RASCAR and I am unsure of exactly what it is even, to be honest, but from reading this thread a conclusion or two can be made: - No, it's not okay, but it doesn't look like something you can fix, either. If this John person wants to be (insert word of choice here) he has the right to, it's his server and he can kick anyone out without a reason. Nobody's saying it's right, but if he does it, it's not against any rules. - If this is giving you such a hard time perhaps you really should join another series. Why? If incidents like this can occur, then regardless of what it might look like to outsiders you obviously deserve better. - If you do stay within the series, just stay away from that guy on track. Annoying? Yes. Life-threatening? No. Just an outside two cents, J.R.

> - If this is giving you such a hard time perhaps you really should join > another series. Why? If incidents like this can occur, then regardless of > what it might look like to outsiders you obviously deserve better. > > - If you do stay within the series, just stay away from that guy ontrack. > Annoying? Yes. Life-threatening? No. We just need to virtually smack their heads together and tell them to sort it out! Problem is they both enjoy the argument more than most... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Aq02b.2969$[email hidden]... > > Problem is they both enjoy the argument more than most... > Quite possibly the reason why is available in a book called "Malignant Self Love" by Sam Vaknin.. Here's a quote out of the book's abstract. "The narcissist is an actor enacting a monodrama, yet forced to remain behind the scenes. The scenes take centre stage, instead. The Narcissist does not cater at all to his own needs. Contrary to his reputation, the Narcissist does not "love" himself in any true sense of this loaded word. He feeds off other people, who hurl back at him an image that he projects to them. This is their sole function in his world: to reflect, to admire, to applaud, to detest - in a word, to assure him that he exists. Otherwise, they have no right to tax his time, energy, or emotions - so he feels. The Narcissist's ego is weak and lacks clear borders. Many of the ego functions are projected. The Superego is sadistic and punishing. The Id is unrestrained. Primary objects in the Narcissist's childhood were badly idealised and internalised. His object relations are distraught and destroyed." Then again, it may have nothing to do with the situation whatsoever. :) Bruce.

"Bruce Kennewell" wrote: > > Problem is they both enjoy the argument more than most... > > Quite possibly the reason why is available in a book called "MalignantSelf > Love" by Sam Vaknin.. > > Here's a quote out of the book's abstract. > > "The narcissist is an actor enacting a monodrama...<snip> Yeh, same as wot I said... <G> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

I've already spent my time with in therapy. I used to take myself and life too seriously. That was until I had a razor sharp machete on the back of my neck for 4 minutes during a hold-up. Yes, I seriously thought I would die. It changed my life dramatically. What was it that I learned from that experience. I was 34 yrs old, and life is too short to worry myself about petty unimportant things. Like I said before, its just a game. chill out. To answer your questions. First, it was Johns server. He can do as he likes. Put it this way. If you come into my home, you act and behave as I would like. If you don't, I ask you to leave or escort you to the door. Johns server is the same. I don't have to agree with him, just respect it was his server. The same goes when we're on Eldreds server. Second. John doesn't think he is running Rascar. He and Eldred are!! In the words of John Lennon: Give peace a chance Steve "David G Fisher" wrote in message > Lol. > > So basically you think it's ok for a guy who thinks he's got control of > RASCAR to cause two incidents in practice with me, make rude comments > against me in front of all the other drivers while blaming me for them,and > then threaten to throw me off the server even though they weren't myfault? > > I think you might be the one who needs some therapy (take John with you > btw). > > David G Fisher >

I've handled this. See the obviously targetted thread. I can't require anyone to not respond to Dave's subsequent replies (and I'm sure it will be tempting to do so), but in the interst of maintaining a little order here, I would appreciate it if you guys didn't.

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"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > ..........which proves things are out of hand. > > Download replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/ >If Simmons really is a vet then that clearly explains the erratic driving..It looks like a 60 year old going to the local shops on Sunday ! And I swear, if you look closely enough, you can see his doddering wife sitting next to him.

"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:biak4h$7abll$[email hidden]...

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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > ..........which proves things are out of hand. > > > > Download replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/ > > > If Simmons really is a vet then that clearly explains the erratic > driving..It looks like a 60 year old going to the local shops on Sunday ! > And I swear, if you look closely enough, you can see his doddering wife > sitting next to him. >

Are you having fun instigating here? Do you have anything to say other than trying to keep the bullshit flying?? Why don't you go post about sims or hardware or something. Sean

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> > "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:biak4h$7abll$[email hidden]... > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > ..........which proves things are out of hand. > > > > > > Download replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/ > > > > > If Simmons really is a vet then that clearly explains the erratic > > driving..It looks like a 60 year old going to the local shops on Sunday ! > > And I swear, if you look closely enough, you can see his doddering wife > > sitting next to him. > > > > Are you having fun instigating here? Do you have anything to say other than > trying to keep the bullshit flying?? > Why don't you go post about sims or hardware or something. >

It's been handled, Sean.

> > If Simmons really is a vet then that clearly explains the erratic > > driving..It looks like a 60 year old going to the local shops on Sunday! > > And I swear, if you look closely enough, you can see his doddering wife > > sitting next to him. > > > > Are you having fun instigating here? Do you have anything to say otherthan > trying to keep the bullshit flying?? > Why don't you go post about sims or hardware or something. > Loads of fun, thanks. Simmons getting his panties all knotted up is ample entertainment.

> > Are you having fun instigating here? Do you have anything to say otherthan > > trying to keep the bullshit flying?? > > Why don't you go post about sims or hardware or something. > > > > It's been handled, Sean. How's that ? Gonna get some of your army buddies to come round and teach me how to suck eggs, Grandpa ? Nobody believes your crap anymore.

No Ted the Army is for MEN the Navy is for girls :)) "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:biaoqm$78g4h$[email hidden]... > > > > Are you having fun instigating here? Do you have anything to sayother

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> than > > > trying to keep the bullshit flying?? > > > Why don't you go post about sims or hardware or something. > > > > > > > It's been handled, Sean. > > How's that ? Gonna get some of your army buddies to come round and teach

me > how to suck eggs, Grandpa ? > Nobody believes your crap anymore. > >

Maybe un-stick your lips from JS ass for a second and you may realize that JS is an idiot and hasnt got the ability to run himself out of toilet paper let alone run RASCAR. You werent around when this started so your views are slanted. If you like go away with JS and start your own series and rules. Dont come here trying to vote JS into whats not up for a vote, get it? "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote > Dave, I would say it is time to take a break. You are our of supporters and > starting to add newbies to the list. I know, you think I am against you, > but if you will look back, I think you will find that I as well as others > have decided that you are just unable to find fault in your own driving. > Not that this is the case now, I have not and will not look at thereplays. > John is running RASCAR now, I and others support him. Either get in lineor > find another group to race with, it is time for this finger pointing shitto > stop. > If John had originally volunteered and then took charge, that is fine with > me. If he needs to be elected then I will be the first to nominate himfor > office. Any seconds?? > > Sean > >

Not only BAD rules but selective rules enforcment. Now thats a winning combination :)) "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > ..........which proves things are out of hand. > > Download replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/ > > I didn't have a single problem in practice with anyone until I made upabout

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> three or four seconds on John at one point. He then was all over the track > in front of me (not sure why, makes me wonder though) for a few laps in > replay 1, and then when I went to go past him, he gave me no room through > T3/4 and on exit (despite he himself asking if we should cancel the race > just a little while earlier due to latency). He ended up hitting me and > wiping out. He makes a sarcastic remark afterwards. Sorry John, I still > rarely ever cause a yellow, so you can stuff your little comment. Talking > like that during a RASCAR event is not within the "rules" I think also.

John > apparently won't even concede a position during practice when he's sloweror > beaten through a turn. Everyone else cooperated nicely under similiar > circumstances. Not John. He stays in the black right with me and eventhough > there's a whole lot of track to his right (look at heli view), he ignores > it. > > In replay 2, after pitting, he comes out ahead of me again (happy day) and > brakes hard right in front of me, screeching his tires, dropping down to94 > mph at a point entering T1 (gray line after light) when most cars are > usually doing 110 to 115 (check #3 and others in replay). We collide, andhe

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> then threatens to kick me off the server. > > ????? > > No problems in practice with any other drivers except with John. Nice and > clean. Clean race. 1 incident point for me, which Grubbat immediately took > the blame for when he got loose and some cars rear ended each other. > > Threatening to kick someone off the server has never happened before, and > (surprise) it just happened to occur to me, and right after the talk the > past few days. > > What a coincidence. > > Yes, I'm sure things will be just fine with the new rules/black > flags/punishments. > > David G Fisher > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� news:[email hidden]... > ..........which proves things are out of hand. > > Download replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/ > > Replay #1: jsimmons goes a bit wide, and daveGF goes under. After that, jsimmons doesn't give enough room for 2 cars on the corner. At the same time daveGF slightly touches the apron and tries to get maximum speed for the straight and goes a bit wide. This is a racing incident as far as I can tell, and believe me, I have some experience - a couple of hundred races watched and penalized at the Finnish league (www.ruutulippu.net) Replay #2: jsimmons locks the brakes in T1, theres nothing daveGF could have done. In our series jsimmons would have been penalized if this was a racing situation - but in practise sessions these can happen freely... I really cannot say whats wrong in RASCAR, as those angry posts one way and the other have flooded this group - just as John Maxon's STS-51L conspiracy theory has flooded sci.space.shuttle! Simple situations in practise sessions and this happens... phew -- Mika Takala

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>I've already spent my time with in therapy. I used to take myself and life >too seriously. That was until I had a razor sharp machete on the back of my >neck for 4 minutes during a hold-up. Yes, I seriously thought I would die. >It changed my life dramatically. What was it that I learned from that >experience. I was 34 yrs old, and life is too short to worry myself about >petty unimportant things. >Like I said before, its just a game. chill out. >To answer your questions. First, it was Johns server. He can do as he >likes. Put it this way. If you come into my home, you act and behave as I >would like. If you don't, I ask you to leave or escort you to the door. >Johns server is the same. I don't have to agree with him, just respect it >was his server. The same goes when we're on Eldreds server. >Second. John doesn't think he is running Rascar. He and Eldred are!! >

Basic difference. I could NEVER see Eldred threatening to throw anyone off his server for a racing incident. -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

In article <3f486592$0$6529$[email hidden]>, Steve Whitty <[email hidden]> writes <snip> > Since you were racing on a >PRIVATELY owned server, you were there at the owners leisure. He >could've >booted anyone and not had to give an excuse. It was HIS server. And you would find it acceptable that the owner could boot someone out of the race because he's pissed off and owns the server? Very strange. -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Wd62b.4597$[email hidden]... > Maybe un-stick your lips from JS ass for a second and you may realize that > JS is an idiot and hasnt got the ability to run himself out of toiletpaper > let alone run RASCAR. > > You werent around when this started so your views are slanted. If youlike > go away with JS and start your own series and rules. Dont come heretrying > to vote JS into whats not up for a vote, get it? > >Mitch, you can kiss my ass. I joined this group, I am a part of it. You are the one that brought this whole mess over here from the forum in the first place. I assume that is to get the help of the people in R.A.S. that have issues with John. I have yet to see you propose a rule set. I have yet to see you do anything other than bitch and moan. I don't have any issues with your driving. Hell you haven't even been involved in any of the incidents that brought all this about. None of these rules would even affect you with the way you drive and handle yourself in the league. I understand your objections, I even objected to the same things. But..... I can give these rules a chance to see how they work, I am willing to have a stricter racing environment if it means I don't spend half the race behind the pace car. Can you just relax and give it a chance????? If you want to attack me personally over this then you are the prick here, not John. At least he had the decency to have a rational debate with me over the issues without resorting to personal attacks Why don't you and Dave just go off and have a nice little butt fuck session together? Sean

oh yeah, I was in the Navy too. Fuckin Buttwipe trouble maker...... Sean You think I only talk shit in NGs? I don't talk shit, I back up my words.

"McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > oh yeah, I was in the Navy too. Did it get lonely, sailor ? I fart in your general direction. Tosser.

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> oh yeah, I was in the Navy too. > Fuckin Buttwipe trouble maker...... > > > Sean > > You think I only talk shit in NGs? > > I don't talk shit, I back up my words.

Sean (dude, yer almost as intense as I am). I think it's best if we just don't reply to posts by non RASCAR members that are just made to stir things up even more. They're just pinging on the RASCAR guys because they know it's likely to start a long thread that they can denounce as making the newsgroup too RASCAR-oriented (and the cycle will continue).

LOL You just made my point. KB tough guy ROTFLMAO. BTW this is RAS where the whole idea behind RASCAR was formed ignorant one. Plonk! "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> oh yeah, I was in the Navy too. > Fuckin Buttwipe trouble maker...... > > > Sean > > You think I only talk shit in NGs? > > I don't talk shit, I back up my words. > > > > >

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> > "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > oh yeah, I was in the Navy too. > > Did it get lonely, sailor ? > I fart in your general direction. > Tosser. > >

LOL, yeah Those ports of call were great though. Beer and whores, Didn't usually make it to the tourist spots :) Sean

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dn72b.1170$[email hidden]... > LOL You just made my point. KB tough guy ROTFLMAO. > > BTW this is RAS where the whole idea behind RASCAR was formed ignorantone. > > Plonk! > > >I assume "Plonk!" means you killfiled me. I will ask this anyway what is "KB tough guy"? ignorance is not a sin, I do however read very well. I know RASCAR was dreamed up here, that does not mean it will never change. Change is a constant and not always bad. Sean

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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� > news:[email hidden]... > > ..........which proves things are out of hand. > > > > Download replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/ > > > > > > Replay #1: > > jsimmons goes a bit wide, and daveGF goes under. After that, jsimmons > doesn't give enough room for 2 cars on the corner. At the same time daveGF > slightly touches the apron and tries to get maximum speed for the straight > and goes a bit wide. > > This is a racing incident as far as I can tell, and believe me, I have

some > experience - a couple of hundred races watched and penalized at theFinnish > league (www.ruutulippu.net) Sounds fine to me. He was all over the road the laps before though, and he certainly could of just eased up a bit exiting T4 (like everyone else does in similiar ciircumstances in practice) instead of racing me. The problem is that he made a sarcastic comment immediately after the incident. He said "I've been Fisherized". I rarely cause yellows in RASCAR, and I don't appreciate or warrant that kind of garbage talk in front of 18 other drivers during a practice session before a race. Someone who's so full of rules, and supposedly owns RASCAR, shouldn't be acting that way. I said NOTHING about his driving after that incident. > Replay #2: > > jsimmons locks the brakes in T1, theres nothing daveGF could have done. In > our series jsimmons would have been penalized if this was a racing > situation - but in practise sessions these can happen freely... Sure they happen in practice. The BIG issue though is that immediately after he caused this incident, he said to me, "I can throw you off this server". That is shit behavior. It raised comments from other drivers. It pissed me off. I wanted to tell him to go f**k himself, but I kept my mouth shut so as not to ruin the race for the other guys before it even started. He acted like an a**hole, threw his supposed power around, threw blame at me for his bad driving, made shitty comments that were unprovoked, and tried to embarrass me in front of the other RASCAR drivers. If he hadn't done any of that garbage, I never would of posted those replays or started this thread. He's being exposed for what he did, and how he really is. Thanks for reviewing the replays. David G Fisher

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> >"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:dn72b.1170$[email hidden]... >> LOL You just made my point. KB tough guy ROTFLMAO. >> >> BTW this is RAS where the whole idea behind RASCAR was formed ignorant >one. >> >> Plonk! >> >> >> >I assume "Plonk!" means you killfiled me. >I will ask this anyway what is "KB tough guy"?

Keyboard Tough Guy. In other words, he was commenting on how you replied in much the same fashion you were accusing others of. Acting tough while safely sitting behind the keyboard. But don't respond to me. I'm just a lurker and have no dog in this hunt. I am finding the thread amusing though. ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" - (Calvin and Hobbes)

Thanks, wasn't sure. Kilobyte tough guy, Keyboard tough guy. I have to laugh at myself for even putting that stuff in my message. Anyway, I need to look like an idiot every now and then, it helps to ground me :-) Sean "EGK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:46:37 -0400, "McWhom" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > > >"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

EGK, it appears several are finding it amusing and some are adding fuel to the fire. I find myself reading all the RASCAR post too. :) I dont want to miss anything. Things are moving rather quick right now. Now, If i could just market this RASCAR SOAP I'd be rich!! It would even be better than Joe Millionare. By the way, did Joe ever hook up with the school teacher? She was cute as a button but she did walk kinda funny like she might have been disabled or something. grub "EGK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:46:37 -0400, "McWhom" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > > >"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:dn72b.1170$[email hidden]... > >> LOL You just made my point. KB tough guy ROTFLMAO. > >> > >> BTW this is RAS where the whole idea behind RASCAR was formed ignorant > >one. > >> > >> Plonk! > >> > >> > >> > >I assume "Plonk!" means you killfiled me. > >I will ask this anyway what is "KB tough guy"? > > Keyboard Tough Guy. In other words, he was commenting on how you replied > in much the same fashion you were accusing others of. Acting tough while > safely sitting behind the keyboard. > > But don't respond to me. I'm just a lurker and have no dog in this hunt.

I > am finding the thread amusing though. ;) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people > didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" > - (Calvin and Hobbes)

David, I do appreciate you not getting into a flaming war during practice. I was wondering if one was going to break out but it never did and I am thankful. grub "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Mika Takala" <[email hidden]>wrote

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> in message news:UM62b.856$[email hidden]... > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� > > news:[email hidden]... > > > ..........which proves things are out of hand. > > > > > > Download replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/ > > > > > > > > > > Replay #1: > > > > jsimmons goes a bit wide, and daveGF goes under. After that, jsimmons > > doesn't give enough room for 2 cars on the corner. At the same time

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> > and goes a bit wide. > > > > This is a racing incident as far as I can tell, and believe me, I have > some > > experience - a couple of hundred races watched and penalized at the > Finnish > > league (www.ruutulippu.net) > > Sounds fine to me. He was all over the road the laps before though, and he > certainly could of just eased up a bit exiting T4 (like everyone else does > in similiar ciircumstances in practice) instead of racing me. The problem

is > that he made a sarcastic comment immediately after the incident. He said > "I've been Fisherized". I rarely cause yellows in RASCAR, and I don't > appreciate or warrant that kind of garbage talk in front of 18 otherdrivers > during a practice session before a race. Someone who's so full of rules,and > supposedly owns RASCAR, shouldn't be acting that way. I said NOTHING about > his driving after that incident. > > > Replay #2: > > > > jsimmons locks the brakes in T1, theres nothing daveGF could have done.In > > our series jsimmons would have been penalized if this was a racing > > situation - but in practise sessions these can happen freely... > > Sure they happen in practice. The BIG issue though is that immediatelyafter > he caused this incident, he said to me, "I can throw you off this server". > That is shit behavior. It raised comments from other drivers. It pissed me > off. I wanted to tell him to go f**k himself, but I kept my mouth shut soas > not to ruin the race for the other guys before it even started. > > He acted like an a**hole, threw his supposed power around, threw blame atme > for his bad driving, made shitty comments that were unprovoked, and triedto > embarrass me in front of the other RASCAR drivers. If he hadn't done anyof > that garbage, I never would of posted those replays or started thisthread.

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> He's being exposed for what he did, and how he really is. > > Thanks for reviewing the replays. > > David G Fisher > >

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Aq02b.2969$[email hidden]... > > - If this is giving you such a hard time perhaps you really should join > > another series. Why? If incidents like this can occur, then regardlessof

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> > what it might look like to outsiders you obviously deserve better. > > > > - If you do stay within the series, just stay away from that guy on > track. > > Annoying? Yes. Life-threatening? No. > > We just need to virtually smack their heads together and tell them to sort > it out! > > Problem is they both enjoy the argument more than most...

Or maybe there are people in this world who simply won't be pushed around. David G Fisher

read my post. I don't have to agree with the decision. I just have to respect the decision that he did Steve "Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oKZBaGA6sPS$[email hidden]...

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> In article <3f486592$0$6529$[email hidden]>, Steve Whitty > <[email hidden]> writes > > <snip> > > > Since you were racing on a > >PRIVATELY owned server, you were there at the owners leisure. He > >could've > >booted anyone and not had to give an excuse. It was HIS server. > > And you would find it acceptable that the owner could boot someone out > of the race because he's pissed off and owns the server? Very strange. > -- > Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email > If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) > GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

<Snip> > Then again, it may have nothing to do with the situation whatsoever. > > :) > > Bruce. Get stuffed, Bruce. I've just had an old fashioned Vegeserver moment of biblical proportions, with a can of coke and a monitor taking the leading role ;-) MS > >

LOL!!! :) :) I was hoping I'd give somebody a bit of a laugh, Mark! Extra points on the fact that it was you! :) Bruce. "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bibfn0$san$[email hidden]... > > Get stuffed, Bruce. > > I've just had an old fashioned Vegeserver moment of biblical proportions, > with a can of coke and a monitor taking the leading role ;-)

In article <3f49355b$0$4189$[email hidden]>, Steve Whitty <[email hidden]> writes >read my post. I don't have to agree with the decision. I just have to >respect the decision that he did > Well I believe that kind of behaviour doesn't deserve respect and therefore don't agree with it. It smacks of 'taking my ball away, coz I'm not getting things my way!'

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>Steve > >"Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in >message >news:oKZBaGA6sPS$[email hidden]... >> In article <3f486592$0$6529$[email hidden]>, Steve >Whitty >> <[email hidden]> writes >> >> <snip> >> >> > Since you were racing on a >> >PRIVATELY owned server, you were there at the owners leisure. He >> >could've >> >booted anyone and not had to give an excuse. It was HIS server. >> >> And you would find it acceptable that the owner could boot someone out >> of the race because he's pissed off and owns the server? Very strange.

-- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

"Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nciivEAVjpS$[email hidden]...

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> In article <3f49355b$0$4189$[email hidden]>, Steve Whitty > <[email hidden]> writes > >read my post. I don't have to agree with the decision. I just have to > >respect the decision that he did > > > > Well I believe that kind of behaviour doesn't deserve respect and > therefore don't agree with it. It smacks of 'taking my ball away, coz > I'm not getting things my way!' >

More like, I am taking my ball and going home 'cause all you guys want to do is argue over what to do with the ball. I would do the same. Sean

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> In article <3f49355b$0$4189$[email hidden]>, Steve Whitty > <[email hidden]> writes > >read my post. I don't have to agree with the decision. I just have to > >respect the decision that he did > > > > Well I believe that kind of behaviour doesn't deserve respect and > therefore don't agree with it. It smacks of 'taking my ball away, coz > I'm not getting things my way!' > > >Steve > > > >"Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in > >message > >news:oKZBaGA6sPS$[email hidden]... > >> In article <3f486592$0$6529$[email hidden]>, Steve > >Whitty > >> <[email hidden]> writes > >> > >> <snip> > >> > >> > Since you were racing on a > >> >PRIVATELY owned server, you were there at the owners leisure. He > >> >could've > >> >booted anyone and not had to give an excuse. It was HIS server. > >> > >> And you would find it acceptable that the owner could boot someone out > >> of the race because he's pissed off and owns the server? Very strange. > >

I really don't have any idea why you guys are even discussing this. Sure I reminded Dave that I could easily just eject him from the race, but did it happen? No. Was I within my rights to do so if I wished? You bet - I owned the hardware and the software running on it, as well as being paid up on my cable bill which nobody connected to the server was helping me pay. Did I? No. Why? Because it was a league race and until Eldred said so, Dave was still a member (despite the fact that I had submitted a formal request to Eldred to remove Dave from the league, and as far as I was concerned, he was no longer an issue). My server still uses the RASCAR invite list (and will continue using it) as it stood on Saturday at Bristol, and Dave and Mitch are even still on the list. Whenever they see my server up, the folks still on my copy of the invite list are welcomed to race as long as they behave.

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> >"Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in >message >news:nciivEAVjpS$[email hidden]... >> In article <3f49355b$0$4189$[email hidden]>, Steve >Whitty >> <[email hidden]> writes >> >read my post. I don't have to agree with the decision. I just have to >> >respect the decision that he did >> > >> >> Well I believe that kind of behaviour doesn't deserve respect and >> therefore don't agree with it. It smacks of 'taking my ball away, coz >> I'm not getting things my way!' >> >More like, I am taking my ball and going home 'cause all you guys want to do >is argue over what to do with the ball. >I would do the same.

Ok, here's what I think it's more like, and please, its only meant as a bit of fun: :) You can't do that! Yes I can. Who says you can? I do. It's my ball. No it isn't. Yes it is. Who says it is? I do. Since when? Since always. But I've been here from the start. I don't remember you bringing the ball. Well you weren't paying attention then. They know it's my ball. Oh, that sucks. I thought it belonged to everyone. Nope its mine, and while I'm at it here's how we're going to play from now on. You can't do that! I can, it's my ball. When did you buy it? I didn't. It was given to me. What? By your mum. No dummy, by this lot here. But I've been here all along, I don't remember them giving it to you. Well they did, so let's get back to these new rules. They're not just for me you know. Can't I have a say? Look, its my ball. I make the rules. Thats the rule. Everyone knows that. Well I don't like it. Well, thanks for your input. Now I've got to get on with getting things sorted. You're just making things more difficult. Everyone here wants to carry on playing and you're just spoiling it for everyone. But I'm trying to make it better for everyone, not spoil it. What, by coming on here and whining about who's ball it is? Give me a break. A voice from the crowd: Right, everyone out of my garden. I've had enough of this! But where are we going to play? J's garden's quite big. Ok, everyone over to J's!! And someone get that ball off of S!! Who's going in goal? Who cares. Let's just play!!! -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

That was pretty good! :-) Uhm, I guess I thought we were talking about eldred and his server. He really didn't say much, but when it all got so crazy he just packed it up. I don't blame him. Sean

Damn, read it again. Even better haha, your right. Sean

"Peter Ives" wrote... > <snip> You, sir, have entirely too much time on your hands!! <G> Jan. =---

Ok, watch it Mitch or this former Navy Chief will kick yer ass :) -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O762b.4596$[email hidden]... > No Ted the Army is for MEN the Navy is for girls :))

I did put dbl smileys didnt I :) AAMOF I went through Airborne school with a bunch of Navy seals. Quite an "eye-opening" experience. They be badass :)) Could you email me Larry? Mitch "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_aA2b.12552$Go4.3152@lakeread01...

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> Ok, watch it Mitch or this former Navy Chief will kick yer ass :) > > -Larry > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:O762b.4596$[email hidden]... > > No Ted the Army is for MEN the Navy is for girls :)) > >

John, apologies if I'm assessing this incorrectly because I wasn't there, but IMHO simply threatening Dave did the same damage as if you'd actually kicked him, because it looked as if you used your admin power to solve a personal conflict you ran into as a _driver_ (where you should be a peer of the others). Achim "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ...

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> Sure I reminded Dave that I could easily just eject him from the > race, but did it happen? No. > > Was I within my rights to do so if I wished? You bet - I owned the > hardware and the software running on it, as well as being paid up on > my cable bill which nobody connected to the server was helping me > pay. > > Did I? No. Why? Because it was a league race and until Eldred said > so, Dave was still a member (despite the fact that I had submitted a > formal request to Eldred to remove Dave from the league, and as far > as I was concerned, he was no longer an issue).

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:46:41 +0200, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote: >John, apologies if I'm assessing this incorrectly because I wasn't there, >but IMHO simply threatening Dave did the same damage as if you'd actually >kicked him, because it looked as if you used your admin power to solve a >personal conflict you ran into as a _driver_ (where you should be a peer of >the others). >I am not part of RASCAR so obviously my comments don't count much, but I totally agree. If a person owns and runs a public server, then yes, they can do what they like, but that doesn't foster an atmosphere that is a fun place for others to game on and want to return to. For something like RASCAR which is supposed to be a haven from the numbnuts on public servers, an admin that throws his weight around is rather counterproductive. Andrew.

In article <bif35b$8pive$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > John, apologies if I'm assessing this incorrectly because I wasn't there, > but IMHO simply threatening Dave did the same damage as if you'd actually > kicked him, because it looked as if you used your admin power to solve a > personal conflict you ran into as a _driver_ (where you should be a peer of > the others). He was causing a problem. I told him I could just eject him. That's where it ended. My job as "peer" ended when dave started the crcok of shit that's been flowing steadily since before the race.

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> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:46:41 +0200, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >John, apologies if I'm assessing this incorrectly because I wasn't there, > >but IMHO simply threatening Dave did the same damage as if you'd actually > >kicked him, because it looked as if you used your admin power to solve a > >personal conflict you ran into as a _driver_ (where you should be a peer of > >the others). > > > I am not part of RASCAR so obviously my comments don't count much, but > I totally agree. If a person owns and runs a public server, then yes, > they can do what they like, but that doesn't foster an atmosphere that > is a fun place for others to game on and want to return to. For > something like RASCAR which is supposed to be a haven from the > numbnuts on public servers, an admin that throws his weight around is > rather counterproductive. > > Andrew. >

I was running a server as a favor to Eldred. It was MY server. I could have just shut it off, but I didn't. I could have ejected Dave (and rightfully so), but I didn't. I just reminded him that the possibility was there. When I did, he calmed down. It had the desired effect. Whether you people think I was right or wrong in reminding him that I could eject him is completely immaterial.

Yes, he made a rude comment to me after the first incident (I hadn't said a word yet) so as to make everyone think I caused it, and then after the second incident he immediately threatened to kick me off the server, again attempting to make everyone think I had caused that incident as well, and on purpose. I said NOTHING to provoke him. I said nothing rude AT ALL after either incident even though I was extremely angry at what he was doing. I did not want to ruin the race for others before it started, and I have more respect for the other participants than John does apparently. The replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/ show what happened. They show him weaving all over the track the previous couple of laps, and squeezing/racing me tight through T3/4in *practice* (despite the fact I was clearly faster--caught up 3-4 seconds on him in previous laps) before incident 1. They show him lock up in front of me before incident 2. At a point entering T1 (gray line after light) where most cars are supposed to be at 110-115 mph, John locks up and suddenly drops to 94 mph right in front of me. Immediately I read, "I can kick you off this server". In this thread, Mika Takala reviewed the incidents and in neither one does he blame me, or say that it looks like I did anything intentional. I hope you'll read that review. I also hope you and others will look at those replays and see for yourself how he's trying to mislead. John is once again this morning in his replies to you trying to convince those here at r.a.s. that I caused those incidents on purpose, that he "rightfully" could have ejected me, and that his threats "had the desired effect" which "calmed" me down. He's delusional. I kept quiet after his threat because the only thing I really wanted to say to him was that he could go f**k himself, but I kept quiet out of respect for the others. I knew I did nothing wrong. I kept control and refused to drag myself down to his level during that race and possibly ruin it for others. What he's saying is all a bunch of garbage meant to ruin my reputation, and a perfect example as to why he should not be a dictator in control of RASCAR. David G Fisher "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bif35b$8pive$[email hidden]... > John, apologies if I'm assessing this incorrectly because I wasn't there, > but IMHO simply threatening Dave did the same damage as if you'd actually > kicked him, because it looked as if you used your admin power to solve a > personal conflict you ran into as a _driver_ (where you should be a peerof

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> the others). > > Achim > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > ... > > Sure I reminded Dave that I could easily just eject him from the > > race, but did it happen? No. > > > > Was I within my rights to do so if I wished? You bet - I owned the > > hardware and the software running on it, as well as being paid up on > > my cable bill which nobody connected to the server was helping me > > pay. > > > > Did I? No. Why? Because it was a league race and until Eldred said > > so, Dave was still a member (despite the fact that I had submitted a > > formal request to Eldred to remove Dave from the league, and as far > > as I was concerned, he was no longer an issue). > > > >

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <bif35b$8pive$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > John, apologies if I'm assessing this incorrectly because I wasn'tthere, > > but IMHO simply threatening Dave did the same damage as if you'dactually > > kicked him, because it looked as if you used your admin power to solve a > > personal conflict you ran into as a _driver_ (where you should be a peerof > > the others). > > He was causing a problem. Lie. David G Fisher

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, aep@nospam > says... > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:46:41 +0200, "Joachim Trensz" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >John, apologies if I'm assessing this incorrectly because I wasn'tthere, > > >but IMHO simply threatening Dave did the same damage as if you'dactually > > >kicked him, because it looked as if you used your admin power to solvea > > >personal conflict you ran into as a _driver_ (where you should be apeer of

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> > >the others). > > > > > I am not part of RASCAR so obviously my comments don't count much, but > > I totally agree. If a person owns and runs a public server, then yes, > > they can do what they like, but that doesn't foster an atmosphere that > > is a fun place for others to game on and want to return to. For > > something like RASCAR which is supposed to be a haven from the > > numbnuts on public servers, an admin that throws his weight around is > > rather counterproductive. > > > > Andrew. > > > > I was running a server as a favor to Eldred. It was MY server. I > could have just shut it off, but I didn't. I could have ejected Dave > (and rightfully so),

You have some real problems in that head of yours. > but I didn't. I just reminded him that the > possibility was there. When I did, he calmed down. It had the > desired effect. You think so? > Whether you people think I was right or wrong in reminding him that I > could eject him is completely immaterial. That's why you are where you are now. David G Fisher

Dave, don't worry so much about your reputation as a driver. I don't think it is at stake, as this discussion is about something different. Achim

John, sometimes it's simply a good idea to not use the right although you have it. To keep it in the here-so-popular ballgame analogy - where I grew up, among the kids when we played football or something, if the guy who owned the ball took it away simply because he didn't like a referee's decision, this wasn't considered good manners, although he of course had the right to do it. Worse even if the referree owned the ball, and took it away because we didn't like his decisions <g> Achim "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ...

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> I was running a server as a favor to Eldred. It was MY server. I > could have just shut it off, but I didn't. I could have ejected Dave > (and rightfully so), but I didn't. I just reminded him that the > possibility was there. When I did, he calmed down. It had the > desired effect. > > Whether you people think I was right or wrong in reminding him that I > could eject him is completely immaterial. >

LOL!!!!!!!!! Marc "ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lH12b.3395$[email hidden]...

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> Ya know what this sim is missing the most? > > Those Spencer/Busch moments > > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > Member: > Screamers Racing League > OAO > CORS > RASCAR > GPL Rank + 17.415 > MoGPL Rank + 318.586 > N2002 Rank + 7.695 > > > http://www.ZZBusch.com > ---------------- > Busch Motorsports: > Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward > ----------------- > Busch Carpentry: > A good carpenter can nail anything > ----------------- > > > > > >

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> I was running a server as a favor to Eldred. It was MY server. I > could have just shut it off, but I didn't. I could have ejected Dave > (and rightfully so), but I didn't. I just reminded him that the > possibility was there. When I did, he calmed down. It had the > desired effect. > > Whether you people think I was right or wrong in reminding him that I > could eject him is completely immaterial.

John: You sound like you are way out of bounds here. I was under the impression that RASCAR was a club. In a club the members have a say of what happens and what the rules are. Im all for strict racing, but it appears as thought RASCAR has gone from a fun racing club to a HITLER HELL HOLE! I dont know how you went from carset boy to HITLER! Man you need to get a grip! I dont see you really have the rights to do anything. It seems to me that there might of been some RASCAR rules, but you have appended your own set of rules and authority that never was approved by the members or club. Should be not RIP RASCAR, but more properly RIP SIMMONS! DW

"Don Wilshe" wrote... > > <snip> > > John: > > You sound like you are way out of bounds here.<snip> Don, this aspect has been dealt with in 3 threads already, I would be gratefull if you could refrain from continuing it in a 4th... RASCAR is and was not a club. It was and will remain a small group of people volunteering their time so registered RAS members can race on a regular basis in a controlled environment. The "Club" racing ceased to be "fun" and people were leaving because of it. It was decided to make changes in order to address that. This the only thing the membership as a whole wasn't consulted on. A draft rules/penalty system was posted, amended and, eventually, dropped. In its place came the addition of penalties to the original ruleset and, because there was a tendency among some to drag discussions about on-track incidents on past their sell-by date a rule was added to limit disussion to 9pm central on Tuesday following the race on John's initiative. Again discussion and amending followed (though not of the discussion cap, which I still think is sensible, from an admin point of view). Hardly a Hitler Hell Hole, but, like I said before, personal antagonism (IMO) caused a highly exaggerated plot to spill over into RAS with the known results. Would you mind letting us get on with picking up the pieces now? -Thanks. Jan. =---

Fine, you don't like John either. Big whoop. If it matters, and I certainly doubt it does, some think your flaming is laughable at best, considering John was still running the show until Eldred pulled his server. Apparently, RASCAR now means 'anyone who yelps I got a server to race on for Saturdays so I'm running it the way I want it run'. If one cannot at least understand that, then labeling John a hitler is pretty much lame to me. More to the point, if you were a real man about it why did you wait until it was obvious John and Eldred were out before leveling your sniper? A lot of people here may find it easy to jump on a bandwagon but at least most of them voiced their opinions when it mattered. -- Tim White "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZgP2b.2811$[email hidden]... > > > I was running a server as a favor to Eldred. It was MY server. I > > could have just shut it off, but I didn't. I could have ejected Dave > > (and rightfully so), but I didn't. I just reminded him that the > > possibility was there. When I did, he calmed down. It had the > > desired effect. > > > > Whether you people think I was right or wrong in reminding him that I > > could eject him is completely immaterial. > > > John: > > You sound like you are way out of bounds here. I was under the impression > that RASCAR was a club. In a club the members have a say of what happens > and what the rules are. Im all for strict racing, but it appears as thought > RASCAR > has gone from a fun racing club to a HITLER HELL HOLE! I dont know how > you went from carset boy to HITLER! Man you need to get a grip! I dont > see you > really have the rights to do anything. It seems to me that there might of > been some > RASCAR rules, but you have appended your own set of rules and authority that > never was approved by the members or club. > > Should be not RIP RASCAR, but more properly RIP SIMMONS! > > DW >

If one cannot at least understand that, then labeling John a hitler is pretty much lame to me. > -- > Tim White I agree Tim about as lame as you cheating with doctored fastlaps in nascar 2... remember. . hehe DW

> More to the point, if you were a real man about it why did you wait untilit was > obvious John and Eldred were out before leveling your sniper? > -- > Tim White Timmy Boy: I was out of town working. I guess i should of skipped over 1000 messages.. DW Dont act like you are innocent! You know the story...

Tim you want to talk about being a real man.. why didnt you ever admit you cheated in FASTLAP with your bogus laps. Time our your little secret be exposed as I didnt say nothing for 6 years.. DW "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xhQ2b.3102$[email hidden]... > > > More to the point, if you were a real man about it why did you waituntil

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> it was > > obvious John and Eldred were out before leveling your sniper? > -- > > Tim White > > Timmy Boy: > > I was out of town working. I guess i should of skipped over 1000

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> > DW > > Dont act like you are innocent! You know the story... > > > >

So much has been said about this that I actually went and re-installed NR-2003 to take a look at these replays.

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> I didn't have a single problem in practice with anyone until I made up about > three or four seconds on John at one point. He then was all over the track > in front of me (not sure why, makes me wonder though) for a few laps in > replay 1, and then when I went to go past him, he gave me no room through > T3/4 and on exit (despite he himself asking if we should cancel the race > just a little while earlier due to latency). He ended up hitting me and > wiping out.

First up I would say it's really difficult looking at a local replay - you would need to also see John's to balance based upon what he was seeing. First incident I would say is just a racing incident. John looked a little unsettled into the turns, which I can empathise with at Bristol. You guys almost tagged in the exact same way on the previous lap, and sure enough it actually happened a lap later. From your replay John could see you move low and see you on his left exiting T2, but you moved a bit up and he moved a bit down. Given the recent history I'd say both could (should?) have been more wary, but then equally given the recent history probably better to let a faster driver pass in practice, especially if car is a little unpredictable. > In replay 2, after pitting, he comes out ahead of me again (happy day) and > brakes hard right in front of me, screeching his tires, dropping down to 94 > mph at a point entering T1 (gray line after light) when most cars are > usually doing 110 to 115 (check #3 and others in replay). We collide, and he > then threatens to kick me off the server. In fairness if you look at replay one John does the same thing to almost the same speed. His exit from T4 was a bit slow (due to just out of the pits), and entry speed into T1 where you got together was also well down. Therefore if braking at same point, turn-in speed will also be well down - and all were, by about 10mph. Also in replay 1 John's car "looks" to stand on it's nose as though he has locked up, although he enters the corner normally. Probably the lockup is just latency or replay issues. You'd need to see John's replay (braking points, levels) to know. That said, the issue is clearly not about the incident(s), but about what has gone before and what happened afterward. You guys seriously need to fix this, and get on with racing together, or agree to disagree and let it go. Everyone is blaming each other, and we all know how long that can go on on Usenet, but when it brings in and disrupts others it's getting too much - from both parties. Hope you guys can sort it out, it would be a shame to see the series rent asunder by this. John PS - Before anyone troubles to tell me - I know, I know, I'm not RASCAR, shag all to do with this, mind my own, etc etc. If the series rules compel people to wash their dirty laundry in public, I'm entitled to comment in public, especially if any way to help (which is very much the

I never cheated in Fastlap. Prove that. What I did I TOLD you I did and you said, ahh that's not cheating. As for adding time to qualifying you SAID you knew people were already doing that. If I recall, you contacted me first, wanting setups, teammates. I was one of the FEW that supported you when Papyrus wanted to boot your ass for dl'd EVERYONE ELSES setups. Or do you forget that too lol -- Tim White "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wfQ2b.3091$[email hidden]... > > If one cannot at least understand that, then labeling John a hitler is > pretty much lame to me. > > -- > > Tim White > > I agree Tim about as lame as you cheating with doctored fastlaps in nascar > 2... remember. . > > hehe > > DW > > >

Not since Nascar 1.. Send me some of yours. hehe.. Tim gets a free pass for 7 years like he is an angel. Right!! DW

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> If we're going to start some real mud slinging in here, then I'm going > to join as well, harvested any setups lately Don or have you been too > busy selling time shares ? > > hehe > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no"

Innocent of what? What story, exactly? I'm curious what a someone like you would think the 'story' is lol -- Tim White "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xhQ2b.3102$[email hidden]... > > Dont act like you are innocent! You know the story... > > >

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If we're going to start some real mud slinging in here, then I'm going to join as well, harvested any setups lately Don or have you been too busy selling time shares ? hehe Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

I even uploaded the replay of the dega run to the aol group, WHILE I WAS USING IT. When did YOU tell everyone you were stealing all their setups? Buddy, you are the LAST person to ever call someone a cheater, lol You must be losing it ... -- Tim White

"John Wallace" wrote... > <snip> Good assesment, could I interest you in a non-paying position reviewing RASCAR races? <vwg> Jan. =---

"Tim" wrote... > <snip> Tim, Don, Could you guys start a new thread for this? -I don't want old, unrelated issues adding to the RASCAR noise on RAS. Thanks, Jan. =---

Don, Why I'm bothering with you I'm not sure.... But please tell me if you recall our phone conversation, and what I was trying to explain THEN to you about why Fastlap was so hackable, running a dos batch file to reset the system clock simply because you chose forget people WERE running windows. They could change everything and you'd never know it if they reset the clock back before the batch exited back to fastlap? Do you remember what you said to that??? Was it something like, "Well the guy who wrote the program isn't really willing to go to all that trouble, plus N2 is out bla bla bla, anyway what are you running at Daytona?" If I were gonna cheat 2000+ members of IVGA I'd sure remember what I said. You should be ashamed of yourself. Just because you go so busted does not mean everyone else must be like you. -- Tim White "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rpQ2b.3142$[email hidden]... > Not since Nascar 1.. Send me some of yours. hehe.. Tim gets a free > pass for 7 years like he is an angel. Right!! > > DW > > > > If we're going to start some real mud slinging in here, then I'm going > > to join as well, harvested any setups lately Don or have you been too > > busy selling time shares ? > > > > hehe > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > >

Sorry Jan, your right. :) -- Tim White "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qzQ2b.89103$[email hidden]... > "Tim" wrote... > > <snip> > > Tim, Don, > > Could you guys start a new thread for this? -I don't want old, unrelated > issues adding to the RASCAR noise on RAS. > > Thanks, >

Don Wilshe wrote: > > Not since Nascar 1.. Send me some of yours. hehe.. Tim gets a free > pass for 7 years like he is an angel. Right!! Pffft, you're the one digging up the past, so you knew about this 6-7 years ago eh, just kept it to yourself until you felt like using it ? Very convenient since few people keep their e-mails and things like that for that long, all it takes is a big mouth and someone is labeled a cheater, *very* convenient Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Nah Goy, Don has been pulling this crap all along. I'm used to it. It never stopped with him :) -- Tim White "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Don Wilshe wrote: > > > > Not since Nascar 1.. Send me some of yours. hehe.. Tim gets a free > > pass for 7 years like he is an angel. Right!! > > Pffft, you're the one digging up the past, so you knew about this 6-7 > years ago eh, just kept it to yourself until you felt like using it ? > > Very convenient since few people keep their e-mails and things like that > for that long, all it takes is a big mouth and someone is labeled a > cheater, *very* convenient > >

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2oQ2b.27235$[email hidden]... > I never cheated in Fastlap. Prove that. > > What I did I TOLD you I did and you said, ahh that's not cheating. As for > adding time to qualifying you SAID you knew people were already doingthat. doctored fastlaps with hexedit arent cheating. hehe ok if that what you think.. DW

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gEQ2b.27280$[email hidden]... > Don, > > Why I'm bothering with you I'm not sure.... > > But please tell me if you recall our phone conversation, and what I wastrying > to explain THEN to you about why Fastlap was so hackable, running a dosbatch > file to reset the system clock simply because you chose forget people WERE > running windows. I think you did a good job explaining how you hacked fastlap.. enuff said.. Hack anything else lately.. DW

Tim wrote: > > Nah Goy, > > Don has been pulling this crap all along. I'm used to it. It never stopped with > him :) What I don't get is how Don thinks he's going to make any money from this crap.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <bifirq$8phb2$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > John, sometimes it's simply a good idea to not use the right although you > have it. What are you talking about? I told him I could always eject him, and I DID NOT do it. By your last statement, I very much did have the right, but I did not exercise it.

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> > > I was running a server as a favor to Eldred. It was MY server. I > > could have just shut it off, but I didn't. I could have ejected Dave > > (and rightfully so), but I didn't. I just reminded him that the > > possibility was there. When I did, he calmed down. It had the > > desired effect. > > > > Whether you people think I was right or wrong in reminding him that I > > could eject him is completely immaterial. > > > John:

<snip> Oh, and like *you* have the right to critisize me? You are really funny Don. You're just pissed off because I disallowed your membership for trying to de-fraud another league by siging up as someone else because they wouldn't let you join. You're pathetic Wilshe. Why don't you go back to hording your NR1 setups.

I did NOT doctor the fastlap file you moron and never needed a hexedit. Someone like you might ... You keep making up this shit adding stink, hoping it will stick but you need to look at how your' throwing it. As I told you back when it mattered, I wrote a batch file that simply reset the windows system clock and set it back before Fastlap wrote it's files. Never hacked a file you wrote. Prove I did. Prove I ever said that. All that DOS batch file did was allow me to keep restarting Qual until I got a lap I liked with the same setup. That was it. And YOU KNEW IT CAUSE I TOLD YOU lol. I actually liked the Fastlap concept and tried to help you improve it and you feel the need to label me a cheater. That's a real laugh. For an entirely different reason I uploaded the dega run to the AOL group and several people actually went faster with it than I did. It wasn't rocket science. Now, writing an executable that copies everyone' setups who uses it not only took forward thought, but since you didn't write it, it took convincing someone else to help you cheat. So Don, who exactly did you conspire with to get someone to write cheat code for you??? What you need to do is shut up and act like you can't read r.a.s anymore before someone else gets dragged down by your lies and deceit. -- Tim White "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4LQ2b.3244$[email hidden]... > > "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2oQ2b.27235$[email hidden]... > > I never cheated in Fastlap. Prove that. > > > > What I did I TOLD you I did and you said, ahh that's not cheating. As for > > adding time to qualifying you SAID you knew people were already doing > that. > > doctored fastlaps with hexedit arent cheating. hehe > > ok >

lolol -- Tim White "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > What I don't get is how Don thinks he's going to make any money from > this crap.... >

"John Simmons" wrote: > > John, sometimes it's simply a good idea to not use the right althoughyou > > have it. > > What are you talking about? I told him I could always eject him, and > I DID NOT do it. By your last statement, I very much did have the > right, but I did not exercise it. My head hurts - is this still the thread about the right to have babies? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

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> So much has been said about this that I actually went and re-installed > NR-2003 to take a look at these replays. > > > I didn't have a single problem in practice with anyone until I made up about > > three or four seconds on John at one point. He then was all over the track > > in front of me (not sure why, makes me wonder though) for a few laps in > > replay 1, and then when I went to go past him, he gave me no room through > > T3/4 and on exit (despite he himself asking if we should cancel the race > > just a little while earlier due to latency). He ended up hitting me and > > wiping out. > > First up I would say it's really difficult looking at a local replay - > you would need to also see John's to balance based upon what he was > seeing. >

Well, to be honest, I'd love to be able to say that I brake-checked him, but I didn't, so I can't.

In article <2oQ2b.27235$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I never cheated in Fastlap. Prove that. > I would put your word over Wilshe's ANY day Tim. He's just the evil turd spawn of redTed.

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> > "John Simmons" wrote: > > > > John, sometimes it's simply a good idea to not use the right although > you > > > have it. > > > > What are you talking about? I told him I could always eject him, and > > I DID NOT do it. By your last statement, I very much did have the > > right, but I did not exercise it. > > My head hurts - is this still the thread about the right to have babies?

Why would you want that when you don't have a womb ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> "Tim" wrote... > > <snip> > > Tim, Don, > > Could you guys start a new thread for this? -I don't want old, unrelated > issues adding to the RASCAR noise on RAS. > > Thanks, > > Jan. > =--- > > >

Jan, stay outa this. Wilshe is a dick, and I rather enjoy seeing someone pound him into a virtual puddle. :)

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> > <snip> > > Oh, and like *you* have the right to critisize me? > You are really funny Don. You're just pissed off > because I disallowed your membership for trying to > de-fraud another league by siging up as someone > else because they wouldn't let you join. > > You're pathetic Wilshe. Why don't you go back to > hording your NR1 setups.

John, The "no pulling old cows out of the canal" (local saying) under RASCAR monniker also goes for you. Rename the thread or start a new one. Jan. =---

"Goy Larsen" wrote: > > > What are you talking about? I told him I could always eject him, and > > > I DID NOT do it. By your last statement, I very much did have the > > > right, but I did not exercise it. > > > > My head hurts - is this still the thread about the right to havebabies? > > Why would you want that when you don't have a womb ? You're just obsessed with wombs Goy! It is my right to have babies we are fighting for - symbolic and all that Bloody Romans... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

I sometimes wish I knew the cheats John. I'd be the guy who posts them everywhere, that closet crap always pisses me off :)) -- Tim White "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <2oQ2b.27235$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > I never cheated in Fastlap. Prove that. > > > > I would put your word over Wilshe's ANY day Tim. He's just the evil > turd spawn of redTed.

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> "John Simmons" wrote: > > > > John, sometimes it's simply a good idea to not use the right although > you > > > have it. > > > > What are you talking about? I told him I could always eject him, and > > I DID NOT do it. By your last statement, I very much did have the > > right, but I did not exercise it. > > My head hurts - is this still the thread about the right to have babies? >

This is just too freakin funny... LOLOL

> > I never cheated in Fastlap. Prove that. > > > > I would put your word over Wilshe's ANY day Tim. He's just the evil > turd spawn of redTed. Affirmation from Jethro Simmons. Now that really means something. If your a bigoted inbred from some trailer park in East Yokelsville.

"John Simmons" wrote... > > > <snip> > Jan, stay outa this. Wilshe is a dick, and I rather > enjoy seeing someone pound him into a virtual puddle. > :) And I say recent events have done enough to damage the RASCAR image, wouldn't you agree? This has nothing to do with RASCAR so take it out of a RASCAR thread, please. Jan. =---

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> "John Simmons" wrote... > > > > <snip> > > Jan, stay outa this. Wilshe is a dick, and I rather > > enjoy seeing someone pound him into a virtual puddle. > > :) > > And I say recent events have done enough to damage the RASCAR image, > wouldn't you agree? > > This has nothing to do with RASCAR so take it out of a RASCAR thread, > please. > > Jan. > =---

But I ain't in RASCAR no more, and Wilshe ain't in RASCAR, and it would be hard to llure Wilshe into another thread because his attention span is shorter than a human hair is thin...

John Simmons wrote: > > Jan, stay outa this. Wilshe is a dick, and I rather enjoy seeing > someone pound him into a virtual puddle. > > :) Besides, what's he gonna do, ban us from the next RASCAR event ? :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Goy Larsen" wrote... > <snip> > Besides, what's he gonna do, ban us from the next > RASCAR event ? :-) Thanks a bunch for rewarding me for being civil about it. Jan./not pleased. =---

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> > > John Simmons wrote: > > > > Jan, stay outa this. Wilshe is a dick, and I rather enjoy seeing > > someone pound him into a virtual puddle. > > > > :) > > Besides, what's he gonna do, ban us from the next RASCAR event ? :-) >

I personally think that r.a.s. is a lot more fun now that I don't have to pretend to be nice to people I don't really care for. Believe me, I let a LOT of bullshit fly through the fan without commenting on the smell. :)

Tony Rickard wrote: > > You're just obsessed with wombs Goy! Well, I know babies come from the womb, and I do enjoy "making babies", so I'm guessing that's it, Freud would probably have another theory though > It is my right to have babies we are fighting for - symbolic and all that > > Bloody Romans... Yeah, what did they ever do for us eh ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> You exercised your power by reminding him you had it. I didn't say you had > the right btw. I said sometimes it's better to not use it even if you have > the right (or power). > > But I really don't want to start a nit-picking game here. > > Achim > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > ... > > What are you talking about? I told him I could always eject him, and > > I DID NOT do it. By your last statement, I very much did have the > > right, but I did not exercise it. >

Me either. Besides, I'm having too much fun abusing Wilshe right now. :)

You exercised your power by reminding him you had it. I didn't say you had the right btw. I said sometimes it's better to not use it even if you have the right (or power). But I really don't want to start a nit-picking game here. Achim "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > What are you talking about? I told him I could always eject him, and > I DID NOT do it. By your last statement, I very much did have the > right, but I did not exercise it.

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> > Besides, what's he gonna do, ban us from the next RASCAR event ? :-) > > > > > I personally think that r.a.s. is a lot more fun now that I don't > have to pretend to be nice to people I don't really care for. > Believe me, I let a LOT of bullshit fly through the fan without > commenting on the smell. >

So...................? What you gonna do, Simmo ? Type us to death ? You ignorant waste of space.

Trying to get it out of RASCAR Jan, honest. I agree with you 100%. Just that Don always seems to remember it the way it suits him, right or wrong. He's not the only one who digs this crap up, but sometimes it finds me on a bad day. I'm trying :) -- Tim White "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QmR2b.89140$[email hidden]... > "Goy Larsen" wrote... > > <snip> > > Besides, what's he gonna do, ban us from the next > > RASCAR event ? :-) > > Thanks a bunch for rewarding me for being civil about it. > > Jan./not pleased. > =--- > >

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>"Goy Larsen" wrote... >> <snip> >> Besides, what's he gonna do, ban us from the next >> RASCAR event ? :-) > >Thanks a bunch for rewarding me for being civil about it. > >Jan./not pleased.

Yup, that's what you get for being civil and trying to stay above the fray. Now the very guy you were supporting is making you look bad right along with himself. I'm just a bystander but was thinking of joining RASCAR or whatever else came along. Almost everyone here besides you and Eldred is just making us on the outside glad we never took part. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" - (Calvin and Hobbes)

hehe, I noticed :-) Achim "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > Me either. Besides, I'm having too much fun abusing Wilshe right now. > :)

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> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:41:52 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >"Goy Larsen" wrote... > >> <snip> > >> Besides, what's he gonna do, ban us from the next > >> RASCAR event ? :-) > > > >Thanks a bunch for rewarding me for being civil about it. > > > >Jan./not pleased. > > Yup, that's what you get for being civil and trying to stay above the fray. > Now the very guy you were supporting is making you look bad right along with > himself. > > I'm just a bystander but was thinking of joining RASCAR or whatever else > came along. Almost everyone here besides you and Eldred is just making us > on the outside glad we never took part.

If you provide a mailing address we can send you our new "Holier Than Thou" merit badge and certificate of accomplishment (suitable for framing, of course).

"John Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > So much has been said about this that I actually went and re-installed > NR-2003 to take a look at these replays. > > > I didn't have a single problem in practice with anyone until I made upabout > > three or four seconds on John at one point. He then was all over thetrack > > in front of me (not sure why, makes me wonder though) for a few laps in > > replay 1, and then when I went to go past him, he gave me no roomthrough

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> > T3/4 and on exit (despite he himself asking if we should cancel the race > > just a little while earlier due to latency). He ended up hitting me and > > wiping out. > > First up I would say it's really difficult looking at a local replay - > you would need to also see John's to balance based upon what he was > seeing. > > First incident I would say is just a racing incident. John looked a > little unsettled into the turns, which I can empathise with at Bristol.

He was also weaving on the straights in during the previous laps. He was up and down in the turns. Go to the heli view and watch the two of us. One driver is all over the track, and one driver is smooth and clean and simply trying to make a clean pass past a slower driver who he had easily caught up to in previous laps.

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> You guys almost tagged in the exact same way on the previous lap, and > sure enough it actually happened a lap later. From your replay John > could see you move low and see you on his left exiting T2, but you moved > a bit up and he moved a bit down. > > Given the recent history I'd say both could (should?) have been more > wary, but then equally given the recent history probably better to let a > faster driver pass in practice, especially if car is a little > unpredictable.

Yes, it was practice and I assumed being the veteran he is that he knew I had caught him up quickly (using F2 and his mirror), and that he would do what other drivers do in practice and let a faster driver by cleanly. Practice is for practice, and not racing. Drivers cooperate in practice. They dren't racing each other. Using the heli view, he is in the black with me all theway through the turn and has me pinned down exiting the turn. It was just racing incident as long as he wasn't racing me to try and show me who's boss. His rude comment IMMEDIATELY after the collision ("I've been Fisherized") was totally uncalled for. > > In replay 2, after pitting, he comes out ahead of me again (happy day)and > > brakes hard right in front of me, screeching his tires, dropping down to94 > > mph at a point entering T1 (gray line after light) when most cars are > > usually doing 110 to 115 (check #3 and others in replay). We collide,and he

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> > then threatens to kick me off the server. > > In fairness if you look at replay one John does the same thing to almost > the same speed. His exit from T4 was a bit slow (due to just out of the > pits), and entry speed into T1 where you got together was also well > down. Therefore if braking at same point, turn-in speed will also be > well down - and all were, by about 10mph. Also in replay 1 John's car > "looks" to stand on it's nose as though he has locked up, although he > enters the corner normally. Probably the lockup is just latency or > replay issues.

His tires screech (key), his nose dips, and his speed drops quickly to 94mph at that gray line after the light. He should be at 110-to 115mph at that exact point (check #3, andother drivers from other repalys if you have thechance). At no point on that track, unless a driver makes a mistake, should they drop anywhere near 94mph. Lowest speed midway through the turns on worn tires is usually about 100mph. If he was on cold tires, why didn't he just do what every other driver with basic knowledge would do under similiar circumstances and go high into the turn, allowing the driver behind him to pass low and continue on the ideal line? Simple, basic stuff. I think he was purposely trying to keep me behind me. Can't prove it, and I never accused him of that in practice, despite the crap he threw at me in front of the group. Mika's review elsewhere stated there was nothing I could of done to avoid rear ending John, and he's right. > You'd need to see John's replay (braking points, levels) to know. > > That said, the issue is clearly not about the incident(s), but about > what has gone before and what happened afterward. That's right, it's about his rude comment after incident 1, and his threat to ban me after incident 2. It's about his efforts to blame me for those incidents in front of the group, and then control me and make me look small in front of the group by threatening to ban me. I said and did nothing to warrant any of that nonsense. > John > > PS - Before anyone troubles to tell me - I know, I know, I'm not RASCAR, > shag all to do with this, mind my own, etc etc. If the series rules > compel people to wash their dirty laundry in public, I'm entitled to > comment in public, especially if any way to help (which is very much the People can say whatever they want. Doesn't bother me a bit. Glad you gave an opinion. David G Fisher

Jan Verschueren wrote: > > Thanks a bunch for rewarding me for being civil about it. > > Jan./not pleased. Actually, I've been more than civil about the whole RASCAR issue, sitting silently by and watching some people do their best to drag a decent guy down, but since I knew it wouldn't make a difference one way or the other what I said and it was obvious where it was heading, I decided to let it pass However, when a snake oil peddler like Wilshe decides to drag another decent person's rep down in the mud with some ancient crap that may or may not have happened and nobody can prove either way, I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and be quiet about it Some people decided that it was a good idea to drag this RASCAR mess over here from the forums in the first place, but since you're one of the good guys, I'll keep my mouth shut in this thread from now if DW does the same Goy. /not pleased either

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> > > Jan Verschueren wrote: > > > > Thanks a bunch for rewarding me for being civil about it. > > > > Jan./not pleased. > > Actually, I've been more than civil about the whole RASCAR issue, > sitting silently by and watching some people do their best to drag a > decent guy down, but since I knew it wouldn't make a difference one way > or the other what I said and it was obvious where it was heading, I > decided to let it pass > > However, when a snake oil peddler like Wilshe decides to drag another > decent person's rep down in the mud with some ancient crap that may or > may not have happened and nobody can prove either way, I'll be damned if > I'm going to sit here and be quiet about it > > Some people decided that it was a good idea to drag this RASCAR mess > over here from the forums in the first place, but since you're one of > the good guys, I'll keep my mouth shut in this thread from now if DW > does the same > > > Goy. /not pleased either >

Goy, you should keep participating. Obi-Goy, you're our only hope. John. /naked and oily

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > So much has been said about this that I actually went and re-installed > > NR-2003 to take a look at these replays. > > > > > I didn't have a single problem in practice with anyone until I made upabout > > > three or four seconds on John at one point. He then was all over thetrack > > > in front of me (not sure why, makes me wonder though) for a few lapsin > > > replay 1, and then when I went to go past him, he gave me no roomthrough > > > T3/4 and on exit (despite he himself asking if we should cancel therace > > > just a little while earlier due to latency). He ended up hitting meand

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> > > wiping out. > > > > First up I would say it's really difficult looking at a local replay - > > you would need to also see John's to balance based upon what he was > > seeing. > > > > Well, to be honest, I'd love to be able to say that I brake-checked > him, but I didn't, so I can't.

Just bad driving by you I guess. David G Fisher >

"John Simmons" wrote... > > > > > <snip> > But I ain't in RASCAR no more, and Wilshe ain't in > RASCAR, and it would be hard to llure Wilshe into > another thread because his attention span is shorter > than a human hair is thin... John, please, I have been fair to you throughout this whole mess. Be fair to me. Jan. =---

> > But I ain't in RASCAR no more, and Wilshe ain't in > > RASCAR, and it would be hard to llure Wilshe into > > another thread because his attention span is shorter > > than a human hair is thin... > > John, please, I have been fair to you throughout this whole mess. Be fairto > me. > > Jan. You still can't see the wood for the tree's, Jan. The guy is prime, grade A toe-jam.

"redTed" wrote... > > <snip> > > You still can't see the wood for the tree's, Jan. > The guy is prime, grade A toe-jam. Takes one to know one. Sheesh! Jan. =---

"David G Fisher" wrote... > > Tim is a guy who threatens to wreck people in RASCAR > races over nothing. Not even a racing deal that > created a yellow flag incident. He then comes to > r.a.s. and repeats the threat without any provocation. > Not a decent guy. Will you let it rest as well? -This is never gonna end if we don't end it. Jan. =---

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> "redTed" wrote... > > > <snip> > > > > You still can't see the wood for the tree's, Jan. > > The guy is prime, grade A toe-jam. > > Takes one to know one. Sheesh! >

Well at least i'm not grovelling in the dirt at his feet begging for fairness . Double sheesh

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> > > Jan Verschueren wrote: > > > > Thanks a bunch for rewarding me for being civil about it. > > > > Jan./not pleased. > > Actually, I've been more than civil about the whole RASCAR issue, > sitting silently by and watching some people do their best to drag a > decent guy down, but since I knew it wouldn't make a difference one way > or the other what I said and it was obvious where it was heading, I > decided to let it pass > > However, when a snake oil peddler like Wilshe decides to drag another > decent person's rep down in the mud with some ancient crap that may or > may not have happened and nobody can prove either way, I'll be damned if > I'm going to sit here and be quiet about it > > Some people decided that it was a good idea to drag this RASCAR mess > over here from the forums in the first place, but since you're one of > the good guys, I'll keep my mouth shut in this thread from now if DW > does the same > > > Goy. /not pleased either

Tim is a guy who threatens to wreck people in RASCAR races over nothing. Not even a racing deal that created a yellow flag incident. He then comes to r.a.s. and repeats the threat without any provocation. Not a decent guy. David G Fisher

"redTed" wrote... > > > Well at least i'm not grovelling in the dirt at his > feet begging for fairness . > Double sheesh LOL... you're about to find out how far one can get by asking or I am about to find out if I've been wasting my time trying to present a more balanced view of the situation here. That's what this is Ted. I am truly sorry I've had to explain that to you. Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eYR2b.89160$[email hidden]...

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> "redTed" wrote... > > > > > Well at least i'm not grovelling in the dirt at his > > feet begging for fairness . > > Double sheesh > > LOL... you're about to find out how far one can get by asking or I am

about > to find out if I've been wasting my time trying to present a more balanced > view of the situation here. That's what this is Ted. I am truly sorry I've > had to explain that to you. >I could have saved you all this grief. I know what it's about, but I also know exactly the kind of person your dealing with.

"Goy Larsen" wrote... > <snip> Ok, I had that coming... LOL. Jan. =---

David G Fisher wrote: > > Tim is a guy who threatens to wreck people in RASCAR races over nothing. Not > even a racing deal that created a yellow flag incident. He then comes to > r.a.s. and repeats the threat without any provocation. Not a decent guy. I never said Tim was perfect and obviously he has a temper, big effing deal, but if Don Wilshe doesn't like him, then that's all I need to be assured he's a decent guy Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > Tim is a guy who threatens to wreck people in RASCAR races over nothing. Not > > even a racing deal that created a yellow flag incident. He then comes to > > r.a.s. and repeats the threat without any provocation. Not a decent guy. > > I never said Tim was perfect and obviously he has a temper, big effing > deal, but if Don Wilshe doesn't like him, then that's all I need to be > assured he's a decent guy >

Ditto, ditto, and ditto. Once again, you show your omnipotent wiseness, oh great and powerful Obi-Goy. :)

In article <3xQ2b.89098$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Good assesment, could I interest you in a non-paying position reviewing > RASCAR races? <vwg> Y'know, the one thing I didn't write, but which went through my mind when watching the replay, is that it is one TOUGH call to make. A case could be made that John brake-tested David into T1, but equally a careful look at earlier laps shows it's far more likely to have been lower T1 exit speed and just "one of those things". John PS - That's a "Hell no!" by the way :-)

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> However, when a snake oil peddler like Wilshe decides to drag another > decent person's rep down in the mud with some ancient crap that may or > may not have happened and nobody can prove either way, I'll be damned if > I'm going to sit here and be quiet about it > > Goy. /not pleased either

Well it was just fine for you to accuse me of getting setups in nascar 1, but you ' give tim a pass for hacking fastlaps in nascar 1 there was a big differnce.. i wasnt racing and was league admin and he was sending in fastlap as if he had run them for competition agasint the other drivers.. .. hehe.. your a piece of work.. dw

I apologized to the group for that, not that it would matter to you. What have you apologized for? -- Tim White "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Tim is a guy who threatens to wreck people in RASCAR races over nothing. Not > even a racing deal that created a yellow flag incident. He then comes to > r.a.s. and repeats the threat without any provocation. Not a decent guy. >

Jan Verschueren wrote: > > "Goy Larsen" wrote... > > <snip> > > Ok, I had that coming... LOL. :-) Actually, I should have posted a new thread rather than just change the subject line since it will still show up in the old thread for people who sort by thread rather than subject, sorry about that, honest Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> In article <3xQ2b.89098$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Good assesment, could I interest you in a non-paying position reviewing > > RASCAR races? <vwg> > > Y'know, the one thing I didn't write, but which went through my mind > when watching the replay, is that it is one TOUGH call to make. A case > could be made that John brake-tested David into T1, but equally a > careful look at earlier laps shows it's far more likely to have been > lower T1 exit speed and just "one of those things". > > John > > PS - That's a "Hell no!" by the way :-) >

If I *had* brake-checked him, I would gladly admit it. Dave has a historically bad record of seeing racing incidents in whatever way puts his performance/involvement in the best light.

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> > > However, when a snake oil peddler like Wilshe decides to drag another > > decent person's rep down in the mud with some ancient crap that may or > > may not have happened and nobody can prove either way, I'll be damned if > > I'm going to sit here and be quiet about it > > > > > Goy. /not pleased either > > Well it was just fine for you to accuse me of getting setups in nascar 1, > but you ' > give tim a pass for hacking fastlaps in nascar 1 > > there was a big differnce.. i wasnt racing and was league admin and he was > sending in fastlap as if he had run them for competition agasint the other > drivers.. > > .. hehe.. your a piece of work.. >

And "your" an illiterate dickhead. It's "you're" you moron.

John Simmons wrote: > > Ditto, ditto, and ditto. > > Once again, you show your omnipotent wiseness, oh great and powerful > Obi-Goy. Yes, well, I've been taking lessons from Jan Kohl lately :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I personally think that r.a.s. is a lot more fun now that I don't > have to pretend to be nice to people I don't really care for. > Believe me, I let a LOT of bullshit fly through the fan without > commenting on the smell. As, I'm sure, does almost everyone else here. I believe the anthropological term is "civilisation". The signal/noise ratio here is pretty bad as it is. If some start commenting on everything, in our wildest dreams can we imagine others will exercise restraint and not hit back? I believe there may once, somewhere, have been an argument on Usenet that finally resulted in a change of opinion, but it was probably in alt.folklore.urban. Given that, I doubt it's worth the effort, and I'd hate to think there were any form of gratification from it.

"Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EcS2b.4256$[email hidden]... > give tim a pass for hacking fastlaps in nascar 1 > > there was a big differnce.. i wasnt racing and was league admin and he was > sending in fastlap as if he had run them for competition agasint the other > drivers.. > Definition of insanity: Repeating the same thing and expecting different results. Note, DID NOT HACK FASTLAP READ THIS CAREFULLY DID NOT HACK FASTLAP RESET TIME CLOCK RUN FASTLAP RESET TIME CLOCK WAKE UP YOUR REACHING WAKE UP Apparently, you don't even remember the phone call otherwise you'd lie about that as well. Please, make more shit up, it's the only time you open your mouth -- Tim White

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > He was also weaving on the straights in during the previous laps. He was up > and down in the turns. Go to the heli view and watch the two of us. One > driver is all over the track, and one driver is smooth and clean and simply > trying to make a clean pass past a slower driver who he had easily caught up > to in previous laps. Agree with that, and as I said, in practice it is strange not to move over, let the guy pass and get on with driving. Damn sure I can't judge my setup if I've got someone quicker all over me. > Yes, it was practice and I assumed being the veteran he is that he knew I > had caught him up quickly (using F2 and his mirror), and that he would do > what other drivers do in practice and let a faster driver by cleanly. > Practice is for practice, and not racing. Drivers cooperate in practice. > They dren't racing each other. Using the heli view, he is in the black with > me all theway through the turn and has me pinned down exiting the turn. Yep, and the same thing happened the previous lap. Judging by your caution _into_ the turns I'd say your were hell bent on not having an incident (or maybe I'm a dive-bombing open-wheeler!), and the issue on the exit was just one of those things. > His tires screech (key), his nose dips, and his speed drops quickly to 94mph > at that gray line after the light. He should be at 110-to 115mph at that > exact point (check #3, andother drivers from other repalys if you have > thechance). At no point on that track, unless a driver makes a mistake, > should they drop anywhere near 94mph Again in fairness if you look at the other replays on many occasions John's speed is <100mph, even 9xmph around the apexes (apices?). It looks like he was still developing his setup, and the stability or max speed was not there. Given the situation (gap, closing speed) I agree there was no way to avoid rear-ending, but unless John deliberately brake-tested you, which your replay strongly suggests he didn't, then again just one of those things. In general terms the following driver is almost invariably considered at fault in a rear-ending. However, those replays are the spark, not the fire. The point is as you say, the comments and ramifications afterward. I'm also not the most backward at coming forward, and pretty much reckon I'd have acted in the same way. Maybe we should ask some of the old SPRTSIMS commishs to advise for a while. There were issues, but I don't remember them being driven so far out of hand. For sure the powers that be should pour water on the flames, not fan them. John

What does me beating kevin king and mike ramsden back to back at VRW have to do with RASCAR. DW

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> Oh, and like *you* have the right to critisize me? You are really > funny Don. You're just pissed off because I disallowed your > membership for trying to de-fraud another league by siging up as > someone else because they wouldn't let you join. > > You're pathetic Wilshe. Why don't you go back to hording your NR1 > setups. > > > >

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:x1R2b.27312$[email hidden]... > I did NOT doctor the fastlap file you moron and never needed a hexedit.Someone > like you might ... > > You keep making up this shit adding stink, hoping it will stick but youneed to > look at how your' throwing it. > > > As I told you back when it mattered, I wrote a batch file that simplyreset the > windows system clock and set it back before Fastlap wrote it's files. So resetting the clock to give yourself an illegal time isnt cheating. Do you know bill clinton? huh,, DW

>"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]... > > And "your" an illiterate dickhead. > > It's "you're" you moron. John does it surprise anyone you arent part of RASCAR no more. hehe.. Admin I give you an F Grade. Name Calling.. A+++ you are the best.. not only to me. . But to most all the drivers in RASCAR. DW While I raced in RASCAR i want to thank you john. you was good for lapping and points.. hehe

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> In article <[email hidden]>, search-apnic-not- > [email hidden] says... > > > > > > Jan Verschueren wrote: > > > > > > Thanks a bunch for rewarding me for being civil about it. > > > > > > Jan./not pleased. > > > > Actually, I've been more than civil about the whole RASCAR issue, > > sitting silently by and watching some people do their best to drag a > > decent guy down, but since I knew it wouldn't make a difference one way > > or the other what I said and it was obvious where it was heading, I > > decided to let it pass > > > > However, when a snake oil peddler like Wilshe decides to drag another > > decent person's rep down in the mud with some ancient crap that may or > > may not have happened and nobody can prove either way, I'll be damned if > > I'm going to sit here and be quiet about it > > > > Some people decided that it was a good idea to drag this RASCAR mess > > over here from the forums in the first place, but since you're one of > > the good guys, I'll keep my mouth shut in this thread from now if DW > > does the same > > > > > > Goy. /not pleased either > > > > Goy, you should keep participating. Obi-Goy, you're our only hope. > > John. /naked and oily

Ya . . . don't turn to the Dark Side, Goy. Elrikk

I apologize, after reading your and Simmons' posts attacking Wilshe in this thread, for not realizing just how pathetic you two are long, long time ago. David G Fisher "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6fS2b.27334$[email hidden]...

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> I apologized to the group for that, not that it would matter to you. > > What have you apologized for? > > -- > Tim White > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Tim is a guy who threatens to wreck people in RASCAR races over nothing.

Not > > even a racing deal that created a yellow flag incident. He then comes to > > r.a.s. and repeats the threat without any provocation. Not a decent guy. > > > >

"Tim" SAID: > RESET TIME CLOCK > RUN FASTLAP > RESET TIME CLOCK [Arrr-aaagghhh-uuuu-eeemmm muuuust reeessissttt strrooong poweerrrr -- toouuhh sttrong - caaannt cope - musst gggiiive in tooo prrrreessssuureeee - and so on - and so on...] Okey... somebody is bound to ask - so it might as well be me; Why did you reset the clock --- twice? -- ed_ (just *asking*)

I didn't say it was not cheating. YOU SAID IT WASN'T Cheating. You can't remember that cause you were too busy begging for setups. You said it when we talked on the phone, right in the middle of Fastlap. Right in the middle of me telling you what I was doing to help you improve Fastlap. Ever since then you keep saying I HACKED Fastlap, and I didn't, and you know it. And for the record, those times were legit. No, I didn't spend all week restarting fastlap. I've said that from day one. I said it in 1996. And although I could duplicate those times online, others were still faster. After 7 years, your still not man enough to explain to everyone here why you took everyone's setups in the first place. You certainly did not tell ME that when I was letting you know how to DOS batch file Fastlap. What really is laughable, is that you think restarting Fastlap to get my best lap somehow equates to you downloading 1000's of setups for every single track in Nascar. You could not admit it at all until someone confronted you with it, thus screeching Fastlap to a halt and forever reminding people of your true nature. Now, 7 years later, you can't get into any leagues, and I can, gee wiz. And you wonder why. I'll tell you why. Because you have no shame. You only feel good about yourself when you make anyone else look bad. Let someone call you on your mistakes, and you either make a joke of it, or throw so much bs out there, most just choose to ignore it altogether while donny the snake slides silently back into the night ... To my recollection, you have Never once admitted even an error in judgment when it came to copying setups using Fastlap. Never. In fact, what you DID do was post some pathetic poll on IVGA claiming no one supported Papy in suggesting you ban yourself. For all the world knows, the creation of Fastlap was only to steal in the first place. My god, the more you spew the more you make a fool of yourself and a mockery of the beginnings of sim racing. -- Tim White "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6LS2b.3870$[email hidden]... > > So resetting the clock to give yourself an illegal time isnt cheating.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:41:52 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >"Goy Larsen" wrote... > > >> <snip> > > >> Besides, what's he gonna do, ban us from the next > > >> RASCAR event ? :-) > > > > > >Thanks a bunch for rewarding me for being civil about it. > > > > > >Jan./not pleased. > > > > Yup, that's what you get for being civil and trying to stay above the

fray. > > Now the very guy you were supporting is making you look bad right alongwith > > himself. > > > > I'm just a bystander but was thinking of joining RASCAR or whatever else > > came along. Almost everyone here besides you and Eldred is just makingus > > on the outside glad we never took part. > If you provide a mailing address we can send you our new "Holier Than > Thou" merit badge and certificate of accomplishment (suitable for > framing, of course). Now! There's the John we all (?) know and love. ;o) Elrikk

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > > He was also weaving on the straights in during the previous laps. He was up > > and down in the turns. Go to the heli view and watch the two of us. One > > driver is all over the track, and one driver is smooth and clean and simply > > trying to make a clean pass past a slower driver who he had easily caught up > > to in previous laps. > > Agree with that, and as I said, in practice it is strange not to move over, > let the guy pass and get on with driving. Damn sure I can't judge my > setup if I've got someone quicker all over me. >

We had to do two restarts. One was because I forgot to turn the replay saving on, and I forget what the other reason was. After the 2nd restart of the server, Eldred was telling me that someone couldn't get in, and I had to tell him that I forgot the race password and that the guy should have been on the practice server at least once to verify that he could indeed connect. After that, the chat was flying pretty heavy, and I was trying to watch that and drive, hence the weaving I was doing. I only had a couple hours notice to run the server, so things got off to a rocky un-tested start, and I was trying to do too many things at once. Wake me when Dave comes up with something with some factual basis, instead of his typical whiney bullshit.

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> What does me beating kevin king and mike ramsden back to back at VRW > have to do with RASCAR. > > DW > > > > Oh, and like *you* have the right to critisize me? You are really > > funny Don. You're just pissed off because I disallowed your > > membership for trying to de-fraud another league by siging up as > > someone else because they wouldn't let you join. > > > > You're pathetic Wilshe. Why don't you go back to hording your NR1 > > setups.

Are you sure you're in the right newsgroup? I looked all over (and I even checked Google Groups), and not once did I mention the names Kevin King or Mike Ramsden. Read my post again, buffoon.

"Tim" wrote... > <snip> Tim, tie in your replies to RASCAR again or abandon this thread, please. I am getting tired of asking people not to rekindle old fueds in RASCAR threads. I think we have caused RAS enough bother as it is. Jan. =---

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> > >"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > And "your" an illiterate dickhead. > > > > It's "you're" you moron. > > > John does it surprise anyone you arent part of RASCAR no more. hehe.. > > Admin I give you an F Grade. > > Name Calling.. A+++ you are the best.. not only to me. . But to most all > the drivers in RASCAR. > > DW > > While I raced in RASCAR i want to thank you john. you was good for lapping > and > points.. hehe

Oh - that really hurts, especially coming from you Don. I think that bothers me almost as much as if Dave Fisher or redTed had said it. Beyond that, I'm not part of RASCAR anymore by CHOICE. You simply aren't welcomed in any leagues ANYWHERE because you can't bve trusted. I'd rather be an asshole than be you, Don.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I apologize, after reading your and Simmons' posts attacking Wilshe in this > thread, for not realizing just how pathetic you two are long, long time ago. > > David G Fisher > Weenie-head.

"John Simmons" wrote... > <snip. > Are you sure you're in the right newsgroup? I looked all > over (and I even checked Google Groups), and not once did > I mention the names Kevin King or Mike Ramsden. > > Read my post again, buffoon. 'k... thanks for the loyalty John. I had already let slip one more post because I thought it might be propagation and a couple more because they were somewhat on-topic, but this is it. I fail to see what "I don't like Don Wilshe" has to do with RASCAR. If you insist on being at odds with everyone, even those who supported you in difficult times, you've now had your way. Good luck with that. Jan. =---

LOL, good one Ed, Actually, you have me there. :) Originally I Was getting it twice, in case I needed it, just never removed the first one. Didn't know I wouldn't need it until after I sent in the first Fastlap-created file to IVGA and no one caught it. I STAND CORRECTED :) Fastlap used the system clock as a timer, giving you just enough time to start N1, go to qual, get out, and exit Fastlap. You could restart Fastlap and retry as many times as you wanted; every track, any time. I was the classic dega head then; the only track I ran in N1. I could not lay down two consitent laps to save my life. I was fast, but I'd always get too nervous lol. Restarting Fastlap was such a royal pain in the ass it got to the point, for me anyway, that I was dealing with inferior programming. A batch file just let me save a lot of time, and work on a rhythm. Obviously unfair, but still running legit setups. Although I was the guy who found driving backwards and self spinning not only shortened the overall time for a dega q run, it heated up the rears vastly more than any other way people were backing up. The over driving the car on the first 2 laps, heating up the tires, driving thru the infield, all that, those were found by someone else. There was very little you could do to a setup at dega in N1 with the setup itself, other than the restrictor plate hack, which I never saw. So I wrote a batch that grabbed the clock, saving it, then resetting to that time plus a random elapsed time Fastlap would expect after leaving N1 and before Fastlap wrote the files. IVGA told us what the time limits were for the tracks so I didn't have to guess on that. I always wondered why they would tell us that. Before I ever wrote that batch file, I severely overthought what Fastlap was capable of in terms of security. Maybe I'm the only one who batched Fastlap that way, maybe not. Turned out it was about the most simple way of thinking for such a large group of competitors. Every one who ran Hawaii had to at least know about Fastlap. And knowing what we all know now about computers, thinking no one else hacked Fastlap, could be naive at best. I wanted Don to know that, to let him know that at the least, Fastlap could be improved, and told him why ... Anyway, had I know what else Don was writing to that file, I probably would've temp renamed all my setups to the default beginners setups lol :) -- Tim White "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f4bfde7$[email hidden]... > "Tim" SAID: > > > RESET TIME CLOCK > > RUN FASTLAP > > RESET TIME CLOCK > > [Arrr-aaagghhh-uuuu-eeemmm muuuust reeessissttt strrooong poweerrrr -- > toouuhh sttrong - caaannt cope - musst gggiiive in tooo > prrrreessssuureeee - and so on - and so on...] > > Okey... somebody is bound to ask - so it might as well be me; > > Why did you reset the clock --- twice? >

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> "John Simmons" wrote... > > <snip. > > Are you sure you're in the right newsgroup? I looked all > > over (and I even checked Google Groups), and not once did > > I mention the names Kevin King or Mike Ramsden. > > > > Read my post again, buffoon. > > 'k... thanks for the loyalty John. I had already let slip one more post > because I thought it might be propagation and a couple more because they > were somewhat on-topic, but this is it. > > I fail to see what "I don't like Don Wilshe" has to do with RASCAR. If you > insist on being at odds with everyone, even those who supported you in > difficult times, you've now had your way. Good luck with that. >

Well, buffoon's comments refer to RASCAR and his performance in the races he ran. I think it's "on topic". The only RASCAR member I've taken pot shots at today is Dave, and quite frankly, I think I'm due.

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FdT2b.28812$[email hidden]... > I didn't say it was not cheating. YOU SAID IT WASN'T Cheating. You can't > remember that cause you were too busy begging for setups. > > You said it when we talked on the phone, right in the middle of Fastlap.Right > in the middle of me telling you what I was doing to help you improveFastlap. > Ever since then you keep saying I HACKED Fastlap, and I didn't, and youknow it. >Just to throw in my $0.02 where it doesn't belong :) I think that a DOS batch file to reset the clock would definetly be a hack of the program, by definition. I would have to say that giving yourself a couple of chances to rerun the lap for a better time would be preferable to causing a false laptime to be recorded. Sean

fyi, You could run Fastalp over and over. I just cut out the waiting to restart it. But no doubt it was unfair, I agree. I also agreed when I told Don in about it 1996, during Fastlap. He just didn't call it cheating then. :) -- Tim White "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FdT2b.28812$[email hidden]... > > I didn't say it was not cheating. YOU SAID IT WASN'T Cheating. You can't > > remember that cause you were too busy begging for setups. > > > > You said it when we talked on the phone, right in the middle of Fastlap. > Right > > in the middle of me telling you what I was doing to help you improve > Fastlap. > > Ever since then you keep saying I HACKED Fastlap, and I didn't, and you > know it. > > > Just to throw in my $0.02 where it doesn't belong :) > I think that a DOS batch file to reset the clock would definetly be a hack > of the program, by definition. I would have to say that giving yourself a > couple of chances to rerun the lap for a better time would be preferable to > causing a false laptime to be recorded. > > Sean > >

> > > > And "your" an illiterate dickhead. Hehe. That should read "you're" an illiterate dickhead <G> MS > > It's "you're" you moron.

Ooooo that was a _dangerous_ statement to make, John. Are you accepting bets on how long it takes for someone to find the magic reply to that one? ;-) Achim "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > I'd rather be an asshole than be you, Don.

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> > > > > > > And "your" an illiterate dickhead. > > Hehe. > That should read "you're" an illiterate dickhead <G> > > MS > > > > > It's "you're" you moron. >

That's what I was trying to tell him Mark. :)

Well, I may be an asshole, but I can change if I want to. Don will always be Wilshe. I figure I'm ahead of the game. :) In article <3f4c739b$0$317$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Ooooo that was a _dangerous_ statement to make, John. Are you accepting bets > on how long it takes for someone to find the magic reply to that one? ;-) > > Achim > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > ... > > I'd rather be an asshole than be you, Don. > > > > >

Prove that! ;-) Achim "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, I may be an asshole, but I can change if I want to....

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > > says... > > > > > He was also weaving on the straights in during the previous laps. Hewas up > > > and down in the turns. Go to the heli view and watch the two of us.One > > > driver is all over the track, and one driver is smooth and clean andsimply > > > trying to make a clean pass past a slower driver who he had easilycaught up > > > to in previous laps. > > > > Agree with that, and as I said, in practice it is strange not to moveover,

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> > let the guy pass and get on with driving. Damn sure I can't judge my > > setup if I've got someone quicker all over me. > > > > We had to do two restarts. One was because I forgot to turn the > replay saving on, and I forget what the other reason was. After the > 2nd restart of the server, Eldred was telling me that someone > couldn't get in, and I had to tell him that I forgot the race > password and that the guy should have been on the practice server at > least once to verify that he could indeed connect. > > After that, the chat was flying pretty heavy, and I was trying to > watch that and drive, hence the weaving I was doing. I only had a > couple hours notice to run the server, so things got off to a rocky > un-tested start, and I was trying to do too many things at once. > > Wake me when Dave comes up with something with some factual basis, > instead of his typical whiney bullshit.

So you are admitting that you were driving poorly (whatever your lame excuse is--even if it's true, you should of just gotten out of the way then), yet you went ahead anyway after that first incident and blamed me in front of the group to try and make me look bad . You then used that blame bogus blame of me of the first incident to threaten to kick me out after the second incident which nobdy here has yet said was my fault. By admitting you were weaving, you are also admitting that all that crap you said to Joachim about me "causing a problem" with my driving in that practice session was a lie, and that I didn't deserve your sh**ty remarks or your threat. Glad everyone here is able to read your lies. David G Fisher

I prove it quite often, but I actually *like* the dark side... :) In article <3f4c7cb5$0$288$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Prove that! ;-) > > Achim > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Well, I may be an asshole, but I can change if I want to.... > > > >

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> So you are admitting that you were driving poorly (whatever your lame excuse > is--even if it's true, you should of just gotten out of the way then), yet > you went ahead anyway after that first incident and blamed me in front of > the group to try and make me look bad . You then used that blame bogus blame > of me of the first incident to threaten to kick me out after the second > incident which nobdy here has yet said was my fault. By admitting you were > weaving, you are also admitting that all that crap you said to Joachim about > me "causing a problem" with my driving in that practice session was a lie, > and that I didn't deserve your sh**ty remarks or your threat. > > Glad everyone here is able to read your lies.

Man Dave, you just never let go do you? I'd respond, but I am quite bored with pinging on you. Go back to spankin' yer monkey, you pathetic loser piece of shi - er - I mean "buffoon"...

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:23:52 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: >Man Dave, you just never let go do you? >If events happened as Dave is claiming, I think he is well within his rights to challenge you and anyone else who is giving him a hard time. I haven't seen you refute his claims. Andrew. -- Andrew

Yeah I can imagine it's fun <g> Achim "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > ...I actually *like* the dark side...

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> >> I was running a server as a favor to Eldred. It was MY server. I >> could have just shut it off, but I didn't. I could have ejected Dave >> (and rightfully so), but I didn't. I just reminded him that the >> possibility was there. When I did, he calmed down. It had the >> desired effect. >> >> Whether you people think I was right or wrong in reminding him that I >> could eject him is completely immaterial. > > >John: > >You sound like you are way out of bounds here. I was under the impression >that RASCAR was a club. In a club the members have a say of what happens >and what the rules are. Im all for strict racing, but it appears as thought >RASCAR >has gone from a fun racing club to a HITLER HELL HOLE! I dont know how >you went from carset boy to HITLER! Man you need to get a grip! I dont >see you >really have the rights to do anything. It seems to me that there might of >been some >RASCAR rules, but you have appended your own set of rules and authority that >never was approved by the members or club. > >Should be not RIP RASCAR, but more properly RIP SIMMONS! > >DW >

Man, its fun watching this whole thing spiral down from the outside....

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> it. > > But no doubt it was unfair, I agree. > I also agreed when I told Don in about it 1996, during Fastlap. > > He just didn't call it cheating then. > > :) > > -- > Tim White >

Tim: Yee Protest To Much! You know what you did was wrong. You clearly did what you did for an advantage. There is no explanation for what you did other than you took advantage of an exploit in the logic. You benefitted from what you did unfairly at the expense of your fellow competitors. Enuff Said on this subject. Lets wind this down. We had a rule at IVGA where we dont call people cheaters. We make the software accountable and if we find a flaw we would change the software.. Based on what you did to get an unfair advantaage only your peers will judge you as my opionion isnt important to you. I believe you violated the sprit of competition and as far as begging you for setups. Right. I had the best setup people in the world than with Alec Flory, Julian Data and Bob Peters.. And they were faster than you. Why would i want your setups. Now if my program was capturing setups why would i have to ask you for yours. DW

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FTT2b.28822$[email hidden]... > LOL, good one Ed, > Obviously unfair, but still running legit setups. > > -- > Tim White > Yes I guess they were legit setups, but you maximized the unfairness to exploit your competitors with bogus times.. So Sad Tim! DW

PUNK!! "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I apologize, after reading your and Simmons' posts attacking Wilshe inthis > thread, for not realizing just how pathetic you two are long, long timeago.

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> > David G Fisher > > "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6fS2b.27334$[email hidden]... > > I apologized to the group for that, not that it would matter to you. > > > > What have you apologized for? > > > > -- > > Tim White > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Tim is a guy who threatens to wreck people in RASCAR races over

nothing. > Not > > > even a racing deal that created a yellow flag incident. He then comesto > > > r.a.s. and repeats the threat without any provocation. Not a decentguy. > > > > > > > > >

He can't, there are captured replays Otherwise he would be spinning quite the tale <aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:23:52 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Man Dave, you just never let go do you? > > > If events happened as Dave is claiming, I think he is well within his > rights to challenge you and anyone else who is giving him a hard time. > I haven't seen you refute his claims. > > Andrew. > -- > Andrew

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>Yee Protest To Much! You know what you did was wrong. You clearly did what >you did for an >advantage. There is no explanation for what you did other than you took >advantage of an exploit >in the logic. You benefitted from what you did unfairly at the expense of >your fellow competitors. >Enuff Said on this subject. Lets wind this down. We had a rule at IVGA >where we dont call >people cheaters. We make the software accountable and if we find a flaw we >would change the >software.. Based on what you did to get an unfair advantaage only your >peers will judge you

If we did, would it make the blindest bit of difference to anyone?

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>We had to do two restarts. One was because I forgot to turn the >replay saving on, and I forget what the other reason was. After the >2nd restart of the server, Eldred was telling me that someone >couldn't get in, and I had to tell him that I forgot the race >password and that the guy should have been on the practice server at >least once to verify that he could indeed connect. > >After that, the chat was flying pretty heavy, and I was trying to >watch that and drive, hence the weaving I was doing. I only had a >couple hours notice to run the server, so things got off to a rocky >un-tested start, and I was trying to do too many things at once.

Understand all that, and it surely explains or justifies the weaving (which I didn't comment as I saw no issue with it). The late notice, the chat etc are all good reasons, but they're not reasons to not let a faster car by in practice, nor for squeezing so close when he is passing. Same goes for Dave, he should've given more room too. However, had Dave done what you did, and been reading chat while driving, weaving, wisecracking on you after an incident - you would justifiably be able to censure him. However I can't reconcile that you censure him when you did all that to him. >Wake me when Dave comes up with something with some factual basis, >instead of his typical whiney bullshit. I'm sure Occam would believe everything is already fully explained.

Pretty funny how you toss names out there who dislike you more than we do lol. So long as judging you for stealing everyone's setups, INCLUDING Alec, etc, is okay too, I don't have a problem with that. What I did was in no way near as offensive as what you did, especially since YOU were the only one who knew it lol. What does that say about you Don? Anyway, at least I can still join leagues using my real name. :) -- Tim White "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6323b.1796$[email hidden]... > setups. Now if my program was capturing setups why would i have to ask you > for yours. > DW > > > >

Razor sharp today. :-) Pete "John Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:05:15 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > I'm sure Occam would believe everything is already fully explained.

"Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote > You sound like you are way out of bounds here. I was under theimpression > that RASCAR was a club. In a club the members have a say of what happens > and what the rules are. Yes. Let's do that Don. Oh, and while we're there, we should all send our fastest setups to dwilshe@ivga so that you can test them to see if they are "fast enough" for the league. Yeah. Yeah. <adds fire to the fuel> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Besides, what's he gonna do, ban us from the next RASCAR event ? :-) Perhaps he'll start selling virtual advertising on the RASCAR event. Yay! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:23:52 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Man Dave, you just never let go do you? > > > If events happened as Dave is claiming, I think he is well within his > rights to challenge you and anyone else who is giving him a hard time. > I haven't seen you refute his claims. > > Andrew. >

I think you'll find that few (if any) RASCAR drivers see things the way Dave does.

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> He can't, there are captured replays > > Otherwise he would be spinning quite the tale > > <aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:23:52 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Man Dave, you just never let go do you? > > > > > If events happened as Dave is claiming, I think he is well within his > > rights to challenge you and anyone else who is giving him a hard time. > > I haven't seen you refute his claims. > >

Yeah, like you were there Cliff...

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> Razor sharp today. :-) > > Pete > > "John Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:05:15 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I'm sure Occam would believe everything is already fully explained.

<groan!> Elrikk ;o)

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> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:05:15 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > <snip> > > >After that, the chat was flying pretty heavy, and I was trying to > >watch that and drive, hence the weaving I was doing. I only had a > >couple hours notice to run the server, so things got off to a rocky > >un-tested start, and I was trying to do too many things at once. > > Understand all that, and it surely explains or justifies the weaving > (which I didn't comment as I saw no issue with it). The late notice, > the chat etc are all good reasons, but they're not reasons to not let > a faster car by in practice, nor for squeezing so close when he is > passing. > > Same goes for Dave, he should've given more room too.

I don't think Dave's driving was at fault as much as him jackin' his jaws about how he thinks I brake-checked him. > However, had Dave done what you did, and been reading chat while > driving, weaving, wisecracking on you after an incident - you would > justifiably be able to censure him. However I can't reconcile that you > censure him when you did all that to him. Dave started in on me immediately after he hit me. Beyond that, I don't understand your comment. > >Wake me when Dave comes up with something with some factual basis, > >instead of his typical whiney bullshit. > > I'm sure Occam would believe everything is already fully explained. > Who is Occam?

>"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote > Obviously unfair, but still running legit setups. Although I was the guywho > found driving backwards and self spinning not only shortened the overalltime > for a dega q run, it heated up the rears vastly more than any other waypeople > were backing up. The over driving the car on the first 2 laps, heating upthe > tires, driving thru the infield, all that, those were found by someoneelse. > There was very little you could do to a setup at dega in N1 with the setup > itself, other than the restrictor plate hack, which I never saw. It reminds me of something I've done. The last time I went to Daytona USA at the Daytona Speedway, it was just past the year 2000 in January. They still had the hybrid N1/N2 version of their sim running the Daytona track. Very crude, but hey back then we would drool just thinking about racing "Orange County speedway" (lovely Dega with .mip's changed to Daytona). I easily beat all those already-established laptimes of the day doing a dozen qualifying runs, but on the last shot I tried the good-old drive-through-the-pits trick without anybody noticing. That qual run was amazingly fast compared to my other (already fast) qual runs, and one of the employee said to me they had never seen as high speed as that on the qual run billboard. I never told him I cheated ;-D -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"John Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote > I believe there may once, somewhere, have been an argument on Usenet > that finally resulted in a change of opinion, but it was probably in > alt.folklore.urban. I heard a rumor that it was in alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.. I doubt even Google can find such thing John, you've hit the "impossible to answer" situation ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote > I sometimes wish I knew the cheats John. It's pretty easy. At the old Atlanta track in N2, you could smash your car against the wall. That would make you faster. Having a smaller, crashed car, would creates less air-flow. Yes. Don said that. :-O -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote > What does me beating kevin king and mike ramsden back to back at VRW > have to do with RASCAR. Don, sometimes (well, most of the time), you just look like a crocked car salesmen. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote > Are you sure you're in the right newsgroup? I looked all over (and I > even checked Google Groups), and not once did I mention the names > Kevin King or Mike Ramsden. Well, if Don reads this, he can always join us on the news server news.mhogaming.com (newsgroup : general.discussion) for some true, flame threading. Bring on the asbestos suit! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote > My head hurts - is this still the thread about the right to have babies? Which came first, the egg or LeChicken? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

A pre-medieval monk who had a very minimalist philosophy of life. He also said something to the effect that plurality should only be used if absolutely necessary :-) A pretty fast guy in the US drives in an N2k3 league under that name, but I don't think John was referring to him :) Achim "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > Who is Occam?

Sorry, bad play on words but I couldn't resist. :-) Pete "elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LB93b.7332$[email hidden]... > <groan!> > > Elrikk ;o) >

Occam's Razor "The simplest answer is usually the correct one." "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > Who is Occam?

lol That's a good one :) -- Tim White

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:05:15 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > >After that, the chat was flying pretty heavy, and I was trying to > > >watch that and drive, hence the weaving I was doing. I only had a > > >couple hours notice to run the server, so things got off to a rocky > > >un-tested start, and I was trying to do too many things at once. > > > > Understand all that, and it surely explains or justifies the weaving > > (which I didn't comment as I saw no issue with it). The late notice, > > the chat etc are all good reasons, but they're not reasons to not let > > a faster car by in practice, nor for squeezing so close when he is > > passing. > > > > Same goes for Dave, he should've given more room too. > > I don't think Dave's driving was at fault as much as him jackin' his > jaws about how he thinks I brake-checked him. > > > However, had Dave done what you did, and been reading chat while > > driving, weaving, wisecracking on you after an incident - you would > > justifiably be able to censure him. However I can't reconcile that you > > censure him when you did all that to him. > > Dave started in on me immediately after he hit me. Beyond that, I > don't understand your comment.

Lie. Post the chat log. After incident 1, The first chat message posted by either of us was you saying, "I've been Fisherized". You were blaming me for th eincident even thoughyou now admit you were weaving. Since I'm one of the drivers in RASCAR who's always caused the least amount of yellows, I don't appreciate that comment. I said NOTHING derogatory towards you after your accusatory comment at me. I didn't blame you for anything. I didn't say a negative workd about you or your driving. After incident 2, the first chat message was by me which was, "that was not intentional". You said, "I can kick you off the server". Others then chimed in. The ONLY hting I said after that was that you were at 94 mph entering T1. Post the damn chat log you punk liar. David G Fisher

rofl, I forgot about that one :) -- Tim White "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AH93b.10442$[email hidden]... > >"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I sometimes wish I knew the cheats John. > > > > It's pretty easy. At the old Atlanta track in N2, you could smash your car > against the wall. That would make you faster. Having a smaller, crashed > car, would creates less air-flow. Yes. Don said that. :-O > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bij9hf$9fmns$[email hidden]... > A pre-medieval monk who had a very minimalist philosophy of life. He also > said something to the effect that plurality should only be used if > absolutely necessary :-) > > A pretty fast guy in the US drives in an N2k3 league under that name, butI

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> don't think John was referring to him :) > > Achim > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > ... > > Who is Occam?

His descendents founded the Gillette Company, or was that the Shick Company, anyway he had something to do with the early shaving industry. I'm not absolutly sure though. ;o) Elrikk

WOW! "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <KI33b.273814$o%2.124888@sccrnsc02>, > [email hidden] says... > > He can't, there are captured replays > > > > Otherwise he would be spinning quite the tale > > > > <aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:23:52 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Man Dave, you just never let go do you? > > > > > > > If events happened as Dave is claiming, I think he is well within his > > > rights to challenge you and anyone else who is giving him a hard time. > > > I haven't seen you refute his claims. > > > > > Yeah, like you were there Cliff...

I only used one smiley. Sorry :) I wasn't a Seal... I hunted and killed Submarines. Now days, the only Sub's I kill come from Quiznos. -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3wA2b.6490$[email hidden]...

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> I did put dbl smileys didnt I :) > > AAMOF I went through Airborne school with a bunch of Navy seals. Quite an > "eye-opening" experience. They be badass :)) > > Could you email me Larry? > > Mitch > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_aA2b.12552$Go4.3152@lakeread01... > > Ok, watch it Mitch or this former Navy Chief will kick yer ass :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:O762b.4596$[email hidden]... > > > No Ted the Army is for MEN the Navy is for girls :)) > > > > > >

hehe :-) Achim "elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hfb3b.47646$[email hidden]... ... > His descendents founded the Gillette Company, or was that the ShickCompany, > anyway he had something to do with the early shaving industry. > > I'm not absolutly sure though. ;o) > > Elrikk...

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Same goes for Dave, he should've given more room too. > > I don't think Dave's driving was at fault as much as him jackin' his > jaws about how he thinks I brake-checked him. By your own admission the "jaw jackin'" was started by yourself right after the incident. I believe Dave kept quiet. If you follow the premise that we are talking about this incident, and that Dave did not deliberately hit you, and that you know you didn't deliberately hit him - then the whole sorry affair was kicked off by your chat comments over a racing incident. If that is not the case then you are asserting ; - He deliberately hit you (proof?) - You deliberately hit him (proof?) - You didn't think there was deliberate contact, yet used the chat comments during practice to suggest there was. Incidents on track happen all the time - the snap judgement and reaction to them is the issue. That is what you were trying to stamp out in RASCAR, yet ironically it seems to be your own snap judgement and reaction that has ripped RASCAR as was to pieces. I don't see how Dave can be blamed for this incident as happened on track (or at least as has been explained here and by replay).

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> > However, had Dave done what you did, and been reading chat while > > driving, weaving, wisecracking on you after an incident - you would > > justifiably be able to censure him. However I can't reconcile that you > > censure him when you did all that to him. > > Dave started in on me immediately after he hit me. Beyond that, I > don't understand your comment.

This is the first time I have heard such a thing - Dave and others stated that you immediately made a "Fisherised" comment and threatened to kick him. Clearly you were angry, so the mere fact Dave wasn't kicked suggests he didn't respond. > Who is Occam? William of Ockam. A man of whom Gillette would be envious. John ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =---

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> "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Incidents on track happen all the time - the snap judgement and reaction to > them is the issue. That is what you were trying to stamp out in RASCAR, yet > ironically it seems to be your own snap judgement and reaction that has > ripped RASCAR as was to pieces. I don't see how Dave can be blamed for this > incident as happened on track (or at least as has been explained here and by > replay). > > > > However, had Dave done what you did, and been reading chat while > > > driving, weaving, wisecracking on you after an incident - you would > > > justifiably be able to censure him. However I can't reconcile that you > > > censure him when you did all that to him. > > > > Dave started in on me immediately after he hit me. Beyond that, I > > don't understand your comment. > > This is the first time I have heard such a thing - Dave and others stated > that you immediately made a "Fisherised" comment and threatened to kick him. > Clearly you were angry, so the mere fact Dave wasn't kicked suggests he > didn't respond.

I was being a smart-ass - he was being vindictive and accusatory by saying I intentionally brake-checked him. At that point, I went from being mildy amused and annoyed at being punted, to full-on pissed off. Dave has a history of making accusations like that (ask Tim about that), and I wasn't in the mood to put up with it. He was just waiting for something like that to happen, but you'll be long-dead from natural causes before you hear him admit it. Beyond this post, I won't be making any further attempts to to defend my actions on *MY* server. No matter what I do or how many ways it's explained, some of you won't agree with what I did, and Dave will continue to press the issue in order to have the last word.

It's snake oil, not cars. =) -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 439540 http://www.Husted.cc "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gJ93b.10443$[email hidden]... > >"Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote > > What does me beating kevin king and mike ramsden back to back at VRW > > have to do with RASCAR. > > > > > Don, sometimes (well, most of the time), you just look like a crocked car > salesmen. > > > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I was being a smart-ass - he was being vindictive and accusatory by > saying I intentionally brake-checked him. It doesn't sound like he said that _at_the_time_, only later. Then you must accept a portion of the blame, even if it was only from being a smart-ass? Hell, the sentiment or your reaction is understandable, I can't say I wouldn't do the same, but had Dave been involved in a racing incident and made a remark, in jest or otherwise, suggesting it was your fault, you've got to admid you'd have been mad. I know I would have been. > He was just waiting for something like that to happen, but you'll be > long-dead from natural causes before you hear him admit it. I can't speak for the whole history, but in this case I genuinely don't think so. If you watch Dave's replays there's two or three times I thought "pussy" (sorry Dave!) because he pulled out of a potential passing opportunity to avoid causing an incident. (That statement probably speaks volumes about why I drive open-wheelers, and would probably cause the biggest international incident in history were my dive-bombing butt ever to end up on a RASCAR grid :-) I have no particular axe to grind, and Dave and I have crossed keyboards ourselves in the past, but I've got to say that in this case it clearly looks like he was driving in a very cautious and controlled manner to avoid any incident. With the recent history I can understand why he would do that. > Beyond this post, I won't be making any further attempts to to defend > my actions on *MY* server. In this instance I would say it was the RASCAR server and you were the RASCAR "commendatore". If you say it was you and *YOUR* server then you cannot invoke RASCAR rules to punish Dave for your infraction of the RASCAR rules. > No matter what I do or how many ways it's > explained, some of you won't agree with what I did, and Dave will > continue to press the issue in order to have the last word. It wouldn't be Usenet otherwise! ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =---