RASCAR: we ain't dead yet...

To give Mitch and Dave credit where credit is due, there is no one voice that can proclaim the end of RASCAR. However, regardless of how abrasive John Simmons may appear to some, he still remains the only one who has shown any interest in shepparding<sp?> the madhouse that is RASCAR and, to date, on the face of it and IMO, he has done nothing totally objectionable in the context of managing an online racing series. I therefore put it to you. I am willing, without recompensation (although contributions will be welcome), to provide a venue for RASCAR competition to continue on John's current terms. I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply to this message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. No bullshit. It has to stop sometime. Jan. =---

I'm in. If I thought my connection would hold 30 or more, I'd volunteer it. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League OAO CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695

Count me in Jan. Thanks On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:53:30 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>To give Mitch and Dave credit where credit is due, there is no one voice >that can proclaim the end of RASCAR. > >However, regardless of how abrasive John Simmons may appear to some, he >still remains the only one who has shown any interest in shepparding<sp?> >the madhouse that is RASCAR and, to date, on the face of it and IMO, he has >done nothing totally objectionable in the context of managing an online >racing series. > >I therefore put it to you. I am willing, without recompensation (although >contributions will be welcome), to provide a venue for RASCAR competition to >continue on John's current terms. > >I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply to this >message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. > >One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. No bullshit. >It has to stop sometime. > >Jan. >=--- > >

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... > To give Mitch and Dave credit where credit is due, there is no one voice > that can proclaim the end of RASCAR. > > However, regardless of how abrasive John Simmons may appear to some, he > still remains the only one who has shown any interest in shepparding<sp?> > the madhouse that is RASCAR and, to date, on the face of it and IMO, hehas > done nothing totally objectionable in the context of managing an online > racing series. > > I therefore put it to you. I am willing, without recompensation (although > contributions will be welcome), to provide a venue for RASCAR competitionto > continue on John's current terms. > > I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply tothis > message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. > > One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. Nobullshit. > It has to stop sometime. > > Jan. > =--- > > I'm in. bluestringer

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... > To give Mitch and Dave credit where credit is due, there is no one voice > that can proclaim the end of RASCAR. > > However, regardless of how abrasive John Simmons may appear to some, he > still remains the only one who has shown any interest in shepparding<sp?> > the madhouse that is RASCAR and, to date, on the face of it and IMO, hehas > done nothing totally objectionable in the context of managing an online > racing series. > > I therefore put it to you. I am willing, without recompensation (although > contributions will be welcome), to provide a venue for RASCAR competitionto > continue on John's current terms. > > I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply tothis > message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. > > One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. Nobullshit. > It has to stop sometime. > > Jan. > =--- > Count me in. Tim

Grubbat is in. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... > To give Mitch and Dave credit where credit is due, there is no one voice > that can proclaim the end of RASCAR. > > However, regardless of how abrasive John Simmons may appear to some, he > still remains the only one who has shown any interest in shepparding<sp?> > the madhouse that is RASCAR and, to date, on the face of it and IMO, hehas > done nothing totally objectionable in the context of managing an online > racing series. > > I therefore put it to you. I am willing, without recompensation (although > contributions will be welcome), to provide a venue for RASCAR competitionto > continue on John's current terms. > > I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply tothis > message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. > > One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. Nobullshit. > It has to stop sometime. > > Jan. > =--- > >

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:53:30 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply to this >message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. How does one find the information on joining RASCAR assuming it's still going to be running somewhere?

I will try. Pete "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... > To give Mitch and Dave credit where credit is due, there is no one voice > that can proclaim the end of RASCAR. > > However, regardless of how abrasive John Simmons may appear to some, he > still remains the only one who has shown any interest in shepparding<sp?> > the madhouse that is RASCAR and, to date, on the face of it and IMO, hehas > done nothing totally objectionable in the context of managing an online > racing series. > > I therefore put it to you. I am willing, without recompensation (although > contributions will be welcome), to provide a venue for RASCAR competitionto > continue on John's current terms. > > I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply tothis > message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. > > One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. Nobullshit. > It has to stop sometime. > > Jan. > =--- > >

I'll race. -- Tim White "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... >

<snip> >One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. No bullshit. >It has to stop sometime. > >Jan. Much appreciated generous offer Jan. Count me in if I'm welcome. Dan

<snip> Much appreciated generous offer Jan. Count me in if I'm welcome. Dan

"Shepherding", from "sheep herding". "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... > ......shepparding<sp?>.....

>John calls the shots Just read the web page. Have you discussed this with John? Or, are you still willing to do this John? Dan

"hocking" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:53:30 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply tothis > >message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. > > How does one find the information on joining RASCAR assuming it's still > going to be running somewhere? > http://rascar.racesimcentral.com/ tim

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]:

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> To give Mitch and Dave credit where credit is due, there is no one > voice that can proclaim the end of RASCAR. > > However, regardless of how abrasive John Simmons may appear to some, > he still remains the only one who has shown any interest in > shepparding<sp?> the madhouse that is RASCAR and, to date, on the face > of it and IMO, he has done nothing totally objectionable in the > context of managing an online racing series. > > I therefore put it to you. I am willing, without recompensation > (although contributions will be welcome), to provide a venue for > RASCAR competition to continue on John's current terms. > > I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply to > this message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. > > One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. No > bullshit. It has to stop sometime. > > Jan. > =--- > > >

Good for you Jan, I couldn't agree more. If you can pull it off I think most of us would happily contribute. Nascar isn't a democracy and I see no reason Rascar should be. Jerry

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... > I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply tothis > message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. I'll continue to race RASCAR. I'm thinking John went over the edge long ago. Maybe at Watkins Glen with the automatic transmission. :-)

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... <snip> > I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply tothis > message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. > > One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. Nobullshit. > It has to stop sometime. > > Jan. > =--- I've always considered myself to be a "bit" more of a leftist, libertarian then John ( not my fault; I'm Canadian ) but have had no problem with his ruling the roost at RASCAR. Actually I like his sense of humour and the great paint job he did for me. I would like to be included, provided that I didn't earn enough demerits in the Bristol Night Race to be banned for life. Elrikk

This Aussie is in. Steve

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... > To give Mitch and Dave credit where credit is due, there is no one voice > that can proclaim the end of RASCAR. > > However, regardless of how abrasive John Simmons may appear to some, he > still remains the only one who has shown any interest in shepparding<sp?> > the madhouse that is RASCAR and, to date, on the face of it and IMO, hehas > done nothing totally objectionable in the context of managing an online > racing series. > > I therefore put it to you. I am willing, without recompensation (although > contributions will be welcome), to provide a venue for RASCAR competitionto > continue on John's current terms. > > I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply tothis > message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. > > One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. Nobullshit. > It has to stop sometime. > > Jan. > =--- > > Jan, thanks for the offer, but i think i will pass. I have read John's "post-race analysis" for rascar in the past and i personaly found them to be very unfair and loaded with provocative language, your "post-race analysis" i found to be very fair and presented in a very civil manner. As far as i can see the only reason this "service" became John's responsability was because John decided your reviews were being posted too late and decided to post them himself, i dont agree with John on this and would rather that you would continue to deal with any post-race analysis in your own time. It seems to me that most of the rules and recent changes deal only with John's pet hates and do nothing to improve the quality of the racing or the atmosphere, penaltys for chatting during yellows and after the race are just the start of more draconian rules i fear. We all know John and his "abrasive" style and i have learnt to deal with him by turning a deaf ear towards him, in his current position i cant simply ignore him. If the choice is John's way "or the highway" i will choose the highway. Cheers Ginger

From the looks of it, Mitch has taken control. I think that if you want RASCAR to continue, you should give Mitch the same chance to succeed that you gave me. I personally think everyone that was already in RASCAR should be grandfathered in as capable drivers, but that's Mitch's call. If you don't want to race under whatever rules Mitch puts up, don't complain, and don't bitch/moan about it - just quit, and look for a league/group that does have rules you can live with (it's always been just that simple). Mitch, whether or not the website stays as the RASCAR website or is taken back by Ed for his BGN thing is between you and Ed, and you'll have to get the password to the ftp server from him. I'm not trying to be difficult - I deleted the email that he sent me (with the password) long ago, and my ftp program shows asterisks for it. But whatever happens, it shouldn't happen until after Friday since that's how long I told the guys they would have to suck replays an car files. Lastly, I appreciate the vote of confidence that everyone's shown in this thread. I'd like to respond to Ginger's remarks, but I really don't think it would do any good. It's really too bad that what *was* RASCAR was destroyed by just a few people.

"Tim Paullin" wrote... > > <snip> > http://rascar.racesimcentral.com/ Think you might want to check the forum untill the site is transferred to Mitch. Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" wrote... > <snip> Thanks for the support. However, Mitch appears to want to have a crack at it and I don't want to get into a situation where we have two competing RASCARs. I haven't heard back from John either. So I suggest we put the "buy our way out of trouble"-option on the back-burner and support what Mitch is trying to do. Jan. =---

"Bruce Kennewell" wrote... > "Shepherding", from "sheep herding". Thanks. Jan. =---

I'm in. (whichever way it goes) -Brian "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... > To give Mitch and Dave credit where credit is due, there is no one voice > that can proclaim the end of RASCAR. > > However, regardless of how abrasive John Simmons may appear to some, he > still remains the only one who has shown any interest in shepparding<sp?> > the madhouse that is RASCAR and, to date, on the face of it and IMO, hehas > done nothing totally objectionable in the context of managing an online > racing series. > > I therefore put it to you. I am willing, without recompensation (although > contributions will be welcome), to provide a venue for RASCAR competitionto > continue on John's current terms. > > I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply tothis > message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. > > One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. Nobullshit. > It has to stop sometime. > > Jan. > =--- > >

"John Simmons" wrote... > From the looks of it, Mitch has taken control. > I think that if you want RASCAR to continue, > you should give Mitch the same chance to > succeed that you gave me. I agree. This has always been about the continuation of RASCAR. As long as Mitch didn't provide an alternative there was no way to step aside. You can't run a league to someone else's vision > I personally think everyone that was already > in RASCAR should be grandfathered in as capable > drivers, but that's Mitch's call. Indeed, he who does the work gets to call the shots. > If you don't want to race under whatever rules > Mitch puts up, don't complain, and don't bitch/moan > about it - just quit, and look for a league/group > that does have rules you can live with (it's always > been just that simple). Don't worry, if I'm allowed in I'll be as critical of him as I was critical of you. The trouble with other NASCAR leagues is most, and the best ones invariably, run at a distinctly Euro-unfriendly hours. Not their fault, obviously, and I can see how nighttime US is very convenient for people living there, but I find it very annoying nonetheless.

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> <snip> > Lastly, I appreciate the vote of confidence that > everyone's shown in this thread. I'd like to > respond to Ginger's remarks, but I really don't > think it would do any good. It's really too bad > that what *was* RASCAR was destroyed by just a > few people.

I don't see how replying to Ginger could hurt either. He's not going to try and argue you into the ground. I wouldn't say RASCAR was destroyed. I am a little worried about the long run, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_Gn2b.86728$[email hidden]... > The trouble with other NASCAR leagues is most, and the best onesinvariably, > run at a distinctly Euro-unfriendly hours. Hey! Take that back, Jayvee! :-)))))

If you speak at least _some German, have a look at http://forum.virtualracing.org/index.php?sid=/ They've got oval and RC leagues. They're well organized, and at least on the RCs, the racing is very realistic. Despite Damage being on Realistic, usually most of the drivers finish... :-) Andy Wilke drives there, and me as well (only RCs). We finish in the top ten, in most races <g> Achim "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_Gn2b.86728$[email hidden]... ... > The trouble with other NASCAR leagues is most, and the best onesinvariably, > run at a distinctly Euro-unfriendly hours. Not their fault, obviously, andI > can see how nighttime US is very convenient for people living there, but I > find it very annoying nonetheless....

"Colin Harris" wrote... > > <snip> > > Hey! Take that back, Jayvee! :-))))) And the UK leagues run at Jan-unfriendly times... better? ;-)) Jan. =---

"Joachim Trensz" wrote... > If you speak at least _some German, have a look at > > http://forum.virtualracing.org/index.php?sid=/ I can read German fine; can't find when those are run, though. > <snip> BTW: is there any reason why I should voluntarily subject myself to getting distanced by you and Andy at a rate of 4 seconds per lap? <g> Jan. =---

Jan, at least in the RC branch they've got a faster and a slower grid. Dunno about the ovals, but would assume it's similar. I know they have a Rookie thing going there (no offense meant). The RC league runs at irregular intervals, never more often than every fortnight, but often less frequently, Friday evenings at 20:00 CET. Again, dunno about the Ovals, you'd have to go to the main page (www.virtualracing.org), and then click on the VR-Nascar button on top, seek the GNL section on the left, and then the Termin-Kalender. Don't be confused by the many entries, they seem to list their official Trainings as well. Well, now that I've looked it up anyway <g> this is for the Ovals www.virtualracing.org/nascar/modules.php?op=modload&name=Kalender&file=index and this is for the RC (called GRRL) http://www.virtualracing.org/nascar/GRRL-Kalender.php Achim "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iHp2b.86939$[email hidden]...

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> "Joachim Trensz" wrote... > > If you speak at least _some German, have a look at > > > > http://forum.virtualracing.org/index.php?sid=/ > > I can read German fine; can't find when those are run, though. > > > <snip> > > BTW: is there any reason why I should voluntarily subject myself to

getting > distanced by you and Andy at a rate of 4 seconds per lap? <g> > > Jan. > =--- > >

Its never going to be transferred to Mitch. Its RASCAR's. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Bm2b.86605$[email hidden]...

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> "Tim Paullin" wrote... > > > <snip> > > http://rascar.racesimcentral.com/ > > Think you might want to check the forum untill the site is transferred to > Mitch. > > Jan. > =--- > >

Amen Brotha! My feelings exactly. I just couldnt turn a deaf ear anymore. Mitch "BowtNetterToDo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f49da23$0$46001$[email hidden]...

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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... > > To give Mitch and Dave credit where credit is due, there is no one voice > > that can proclaim the end of RASCAR. > > > > However, regardless of how abrasive John Simmons may appear to some, he > > still remains the only one who has shown any interest in

shepparding<sp?> > > the madhouse that is RASCAR and, to date, on the face of it and IMO, he > has > > done nothing totally objectionable in the context of managing an online > > racing series. > > > > I therefore put it to you. I am willing, without recompensation(although > > contributions will be welcome), to provide a venue for RASCARcompetition

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> to > > continue on John's current terms. > > > > I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply to > this > > message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. > > > > One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. No > bullshit. > > It has to stop sometime. > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > > > > Jan, thanks for the offer, but i think i will pass. I have read John's > "post-race analysis" for rascar in the past and i personaly found them to

be > very unfair and loaded with provocative language, your "post-raceanalysis" > i found to be very fair and presented in a very civil manner. As far as i > can see the only reason this "service" became John's responsability was > because John decided your reviews were being posted too late and decidedto > post them himself, i dont agree with John on this and would rather thatyou > would continue to deal with any post-race analysis in your own time. It > seems to me that most of the rules and recent changes deal only withJohn's > pet hates and do nothing to improve the quality of the racing or the > atmosphere, penaltys for chatting during yellows and after the race arejust > the start of more draconian rules i fear. We all know John and his > "abrasive" style and i have learnt to deal with him by turning a deaf ear > towards him, in his current position i cant simply ignore him. If thechoice > is John's way "or the highway" i will choose the highway. > > Cheers Ginger > > >

You guys REALLY need to understand. This isnt Mitch's, it OURS. If everyone felt they are an integral part of this club then allot of what happened wouldnt have. Exclusion is bad inclusion is good :) "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_Gn2b.86728$[email hidden]...

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> "John Simmons" wrote... > > From the looks of it, Mitch has taken control. > > I think that if you want RASCAR to continue, > > you should give Mitch the same chance to > > succeed that you gave me. > > I agree. This has always been about the continuation of RASCAR. As long as > Mitch didn't provide an alternative there was no way to step aside. You > can't run a league to someone else's vision > > > I personally think everyone that was already > > in RASCAR should be grandfathered in as capable > > drivers, but that's Mitch's call. > > Indeed, he who does the work gets to call the shots. > > > If you don't want to race under whatever rules > > Mitch puts up, don't complain, and don't bitch/moan > > about it - just quit, and look for a league/group > > that does have rules you can live with (it's always > > been just that simple). > > Don't worry, if I'm allowed in I'll be as critical of him as I was

critical > of you. > > The trouble with other NASCAR leagues is most, and the best onesinvariably, > run at a distinctly Euro-unfriendly hours. Not their fault, obviously, andI

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> can see how nighttime US is very convenient for people living there, but I > find it very annoying nonetheless. > > > <snip> > > Lastly, I appreciate the vote of confidence that > > everyone's shown in this thread. I'd like to > > respond to Ginger's remarks, but I really don't > > think it would do any good. It's really too bad > > that what *was* RASCAR was destroyed by just a > > few people. > > I don't see how replying to Ginger could hurt either. He's not going to

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> and argue you into the ground. > > I wouldn't say RASCAR was destroyed. I am a little worried about the long > run, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. > > Jan. > =--- > >

"Mitch_A" wrote... > Its never going to be transferred to Mitch. Its RASCAR's. Well, we can't all update the site at will. There can be only one person that takes care of the site or at least updates it with content provided by others. Otherwise people are going to overwrite eachother's work with outdated pages. Like I said: it's all good and fine to say "it's RASCAR's" but you must have someone to do the work. If "RASCAR" doesn't care to update its site, drivers will not care to run in the races and you'll descent to running races with 8 drivers in it again. They'll be clean alright... they'll also be zero fun. Jan. =---

"Mitch_A" wrote... > You guys REALLY need to understand. This isnt Mitch's, > it OURS. If everyone felt they are an integral part of > this club then allot of what happened wouldnt have. > Exclusion is bad inclusion is good :) Well, include some people to do the work then. <g> Jan. =---

Im really hoping Ed would like to continue the RASCAR website as I hope you would continue doing the recaps. VOLUNTEERS VOLUNTEERING FOR VOLUNTEER work :) Mitch "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8mr2b.87182$[email hidden]... > "Mitch_A" wrote... > > Its never going to be transferred to Mitch. Its RASCAR's. > > Well, we can't all update the site at will. There can be only one person > that takes care of the site or at least updates it with content providedby > others. Otherwise people are going to overwrite eachother's work with > outdated pages. > > Like I said: it's all good and fine to say "it's RASCAR's" but you musthave > someone to do the work. If "RASCAR" doesn't care to update its site,drivers > will not care to run in the races and you'll descent to running races with8

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> drivers in it again. They'll be clean alright... they'll also be zero fun. > > Jan. > =--- > > >

"Mitch_A" said: > Im really hoping Ed would like to continue the RASCAR website as I hopeyou > would continue doing the recaps. VOLUNTEERS VOLUNTEERING FOR VOLUNTEERwork > :) See my reply to your 'Racing this saturday post' Mitch.. ed_

"Mitch_A" said: See my reply to your 'Racing this saturday post' Mitch.. ed_

"BowtNetterToDo" wrote... > > <snip> > Jan, thanks for the offer, but i think i will pass. I have > read John's "post-race analysis" for rascar in the past and > i personaly found them to be very unfair and loaded with > provocative language, your "post-race analysis" i found to > be very fair and presented in a very civil manner. Thanks... > As far as i can see the only reason this "service" became > John's responsability was because John decided your reviews > were being posted too late and decided to post them himself, > i dont agree with John on this and would rather that you > would continue to deal with any post-race analysis in your > own time. ok... I don't know about reviewing Bristol from a client replay though. Risky.

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> It seems to me that most of the rules and recent changes > deal only with John's pet hates and do nothing to improve > the quality of the racing or the atmosphere, penaltys for > chatting during yellows and after the race are just the > start of more draconian rules i fear. We all know John > and his "abrasive" style and i have learnt to deal with > him by turning a deaf ear towards him, in his current > position i cant simply ignore him. If the choice is > John's way "or the highway" i will choose the highway.

Well, put it this way... we won't find out. Jan. =---

Thanks... ok... I don't know about reviewing Bristol from a client replay though. Risky. Well, put it this way... we won't find out. Jan. =---

I'll race. Spark

Aye MS "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... > To give Mitch and Dave credit where credit is due, there is no one voice > that can proclaim the end of RASCAR.

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:23:06 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> >happened wouldnt have. Exclusion is bad inclusion is good :) > >I'm glad to hear that. You really had me going there. I thought you were serious about the "driver selection process" and excluding "any numbskull fresh from the pickup circuit". ;-)

Inability to drive your car around a given track safely in traffic will exclude someone. Im not making that decision alone BTW. Numbskulls that can drive cleanly safely more than welcome :) How about we set the server start time a few hours earlier than the race start time and have a 30 minute timed practice race sandwiched between 45 min regular practice? We could then see/test a drivers ability in that albeit limited time frame and give the Europeans some flex time. Just an idea. Mitch "Rick Dressler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:23:06 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > <snip> > >happened wouldnt have. Exclusion is bad inclusion is good :) > > > > > I'm glad to hear that. You really had me going there. I thought you > were serious about the "driver selection process" and excluding "any > numbskull fresh from the pickup circuit". ;-)

I just wanna race :) -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e6d2b.85780$[email hidden]... > To give Mitch and Dave credit where credit is due, there is no one voice > that can proclaim the end of RASCAR. > > However, regardless of how abrasive John Simmons may appear to some, he > still remains the only one who has shown any interest in shepparding<sp?> > the madhouse that is RASCAR and, to date, on the face of it and IMO, hehas > done nothing totally objectionable in the context of managing an online > racing series. > > I therefore put it to you. I am willing, without recompensation (although > contributions will be welcome), to provide a venue for RASCAR competitionto > continue on John's current terms. > > I encoure those who are willing to continue racing to post in reply tothis > message, in order to pull John over the edge and get on with it. > > One condition: when I'm paying the bill, John calls the shots. Nobullshit. > It has to stop sometime. > > Jan. > =--- > >

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WEz2b.7176$[email hidden]... > Inability to drive your car around a given track safely in traffic will > exclude someone. Im not making that decision alone BTW.In a group, simply saying you are not making a decision alone really does not cut it. On the rascar website you say you and Dave. That is still only two and does not indicate an "our", as in "group". I have yet to see where you are taking any kind of consensus except to have people *apply* to an email address. I am really not understanding where what you are doing is any different from what John and Eldred were doing before except now the posts are coming from you. By the way, you can continue to ignore me as I have no intentions of joining your group. I am simply a person subscribed to ras and posting my thoughts.

>I just wanna race :) > >-Larry Sums it up nicely Larry. Dan

rofl That was just too funny :) -- Tim White "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I am simply a person subscribed to ras and posting my thoughts.

"Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >I just wanna race :) > > > >-Larry > > Sums it up nicely Larry. > Dan Agreed. Kyle

me too uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:06:12 GMT, Jan Verschueren wrote:

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> "Mitch_A" wrote... >> Its never going to be transferred to Mitch. Its RASCAR's. > > Well, we can't all update the site at will. There can be only one person > that takes care of the site or at least updates it with content provided by > others. Otherwise people are going to overwrite eachother's work with > outdated pages.

we could also use zope so more than one guy can edit and add content *without* overwriting the work of others. I happen to have developed a league racing site for Zope that we could use as a basis. Mail me if you're interested and wanna have a peek. uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

>"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > There can be only one person that takes care of the site That will create... <drum roll> A DICTATORR!!!!11~ ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Like I said before Frank. If I VOLUNTEER for a community service in my town that doesnt entitle me to become Mayor". Mitch "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zFL2b.6566$[email hidden]...

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> >"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > > There can be only one person that takes care of the site > > > > That will create... > > <drum roll> > > > > A DICTATORR!!!!11~ > > > > ;) > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

In article <zFL2b.6566$[email hidden]>, francois- [email hidden] says...

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> >"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > > There can be only one person that takes care of the site > > > > That will create... > > <drum roll> > > > > A DICTATORR!!!!11~ > > > > ;) > >

Actually it creates A SLAVE to the league. Some poor slob who has to maintain the website no matter how bad he feels, or what else is going on in his life.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:11:24 GMT, John Simmons wrote: > Actually it creates A SLAVE to the league. Some poor slob who has to > maintain the website no matter how bad he feels, or what else is > going on in his life. > unless you employ some intelligent free (as in beer & speech) cms like Zope (http://www.zope.org/) uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Isnt this basically what the forum does Uwe? The Website should be for factual info only not editorials, right? Are you going to race Uwe? Wanna help Ed on the website? Mitch "Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:11:24 GMT, John Simmons wrote: > > > Actually it creates A SLAVE to the league. Some poor slob who has to > > maintain the website no matter how bad he feels, or what else is > > going on in his life. > > > > > unless you employ some intelligent free (as in beer & speech) > cms like Zope (http://www.zope.org/) > > uwe > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

>"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote > Actually it creates A SLAVE to the league. Oh you won't have any pity of me John. I was just adding my own rambling, non-sensical absurdity to the alread-absurd RASCAR-related threads ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:26:24 GMT, Mitch_A wrote: > Isnt this basically what the forum does Uwe? The Website should be for > factual info only not editorials, right? > > Are you going to race Uwe? Wanna help Ed on the website? > > Mitch Hi Mitch, I think I posted the "I'm in" thingy a while ago. As for helping with the website, sure why not. Ed can contact me anytime if he needs help. I've been rather "spoiled" by using Zope for some time though, and I probably won't be "downgrading" to some PHP / Perl or, even worse, BackDoor stuff anytime soon ;-) Cheers, Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I wish I knew what you just said :) I just used Word to edit it so it's prolly all hosed now :) Mitch "Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:26:24 GMT, Mitch_A wrote: > > Isnt this basically what the forum does Uwe? The Website should be for > > factual info only not editorials, right? > > > > Are you going to race Uwe? Wanna help Ed on the website? > > > > Mitch > > Hi Mitch, > > I think I posted the "I'm in" thingy a while ago. > > As for helping with the website, sure why not. Ed can contact > me anytime if he needs help. I've been rather "spoiled" by > using Zope for some time though, and I probably won't be > "downgrading" to some PHP / Perl or, even worse, BackDoor stuff > anytime soon ;-) > > Cheers, > > Uwe > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61