RASCAR is back for this Saturday.

RASCAR will continue without Mr.Simmons micro-management. RASCAR is for RAS readers that wish to run in an informal yet competitive atmosphere. As was in the original RASCAR charter. No individual will make any rules without group consent. Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few manageable rules are desirable. The one key difference will be a driver selection process. We can't afford to let any nubmskull fresh from the pickup circuit come and cause numerous yellow flags so we want experienced racers only until we can establish a testing/entry process to help weed out non-drivers that just happen across RAS. This isnt to say they will be instantly barred from competition but a testing process is a must. The server has been secured but is currently un-tested. During this week it will be setup for a few evening practice/testing races. Stay tuned. The races will be on Saturdays at 4pm est. An invite list will eventually be in place but the first few races will be password protected. We will continue to use http://forum.racesimcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=142 as our Forum unless informed otherwise. The DM will be the same as weve run since last year. This week Darlington 40%. We want clean freindly racing and encourage participation from everyone involved. The group that is getting this going is looking for members that wish to contribute any skills to help make this a better place to race. Ed can you hear me? You can have your job back and get some say on how you race :) You can contact me for the password directly at [email hidden]. RASCAR is back and WE ALL have a say this time around!

Mitch, with respect, you need to tone down the descriptive somewhat in order not to offend we numbskulls out here. The essence of good management is diplomacy, mate. Bruce. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:f%g2b.194$[email hidden]... >We can't afford to let any nubmskull fresh from the pickup circuit come andcause numerous yellow flags............etc.

I think, though, the approach of introducing a certain minimum quality level for joining is interesting. If you want clean, good racing without extremely threatening rules and penalties, admitting only mature and experienced drivers is the way to go. Achim "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f49b2d4$[email hidden]... > Mitch, with respect, you need to tone down the descriptive somewhat inorder > not to offend we numbskulls out here. > The essence of good management is diplomacy, mate.

Oh, most certainly, Achim. I wasn't criticising the intent, only the wording, which may be taken as a slap in the face by some. (The "numbskull" bit, that is). Bruce. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bicgaj$7d89e$[email hidden]... > I think, though, the approach of introducing a certain minimum qualitylevel > for joining is interesting. If you want clean, good racing withoutextremely

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> threatening rules and penalties, admitting only mature and experienced > drivers is the way to go. > > Achim > > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3f49b2d4$[email hidden]... > > Mitch, with respect, you need to tone down the descriptive somewhat in > order > > not to offend we numbskulls out here. > > The essence of good management is diplomacy, mate. > >

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > Oh, most certainly, Achim. > I wasn't criticising the intent, only the wording, which may be taken as a > slap in the face by some. (The "numbskull" bit, that is). I agree, Bruce. Cheers Numbs...er...Gerry

AAMOF, I think Mitch used that term on purpose, to avoid that the RASCAR guys might get withdrawal symptoms after what they've been used to in the past weeks ;-) Achim "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f49c988$[email hidden]... > Oh, most certainly, Achim. > I wasn't criticising the intent, only the wording, which may be taken as a > slap in the face by some. (The "numbskull" bit, that is). > > Bruce.

So,please tell. Why didn't you guys just organise this a couple of weeks ago. You were told if you didn't like it, leave. But you wouldn't. Like I said in a previous post. Some people had an agenda to piss off John and cause the demise of Rascar to suit their own ends. Yeah they pissed off John, but didn't count on Eldred pulling the server. Going to interesting to see how it all works out. These committees and selection criterea. Sounds pretty eletist. Steve "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:f%g2b.194$[email hidden]... > RASCAR will continue without Mr.Simmons micro-management. RASCAR is forRAS > readers that wish to run in an informal yet competitive atmosphere. Aswas > in the original RASCAR charter. No individual will make any rules without > group consent. Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few > manageable rules are desirable. The one key difference will be a driver > selection process. We can't afford to let any nubmskull fresh from the > pickup circuit come and cause numerous yellow flags so we want experienced > racers only until we can establish a testing/entry process to help weedout > non-drivers that just happen across RAS. This isnt to say they will be > instantly barred from competition but a testing process is a must. > > The server has been secured but is currently un-tested. During this weekit > will be setup for a few evening practice/testing races. Stay tuned. > > The races will be on Saturdays at 4pm est. An invite list will eventually > be in place but the first few races will be password protected. We will > continue to use > http://forum.racesimcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=142 as ourForum

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> unless informed otherwise. > > The DM will be the same as weve run since last year. This week Darlington > 40%. We want clean freindly racing and encourage participation from > everyone involved. > > The group that is getting this going is looking for members that wish to > contribute any skills to help make this a better place to race. Ed can

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> hear me? You can have your job back and get some say on how you race :) > > You can contact me for the password directly at [email hidden]. > > RASCAR is back and WE ALL have a say this time around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bicgaj$7d89e$[email hidden]... > I think, though, the approach of introducing a certain minimum qualitylevel > for joining is interesting. If you want clean, good racing withoutextremely > threatening rules and penalties, admitting only mature and experienced > drivers is the way to go. > > Achim And there are plenty of those leagues already in existance. One of the original purposes of Rascar was to give people that frequented RAS but didn't have a lot of online racing experience someplace to get there feet wet and find good clean racing without worrying about messing up someones race in a league that tracked points. Kyle

What does the acronym "AAMOF" represent? Bruce. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bicj3c$7lbe6$[email hidden]... > AAMOF,

Bruce Kennewell wrote:

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> What does the acronym "AAMOF" represent? > > Bruce. > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bicj3c$7lbe6$[email hidden]... > >>AAMOF, > >

As a matter of fact, you should learn to use a search engine. ;) Gerry

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> What does the acronym "AAMOF" represent? > > Bruce. > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bicj3c$7lbe6$[email hidden]... > > AAMOF, > >

Either "As a matter of fact" or "All about monkeys on fire". Kyle

You said it Kyle: 'good clean racing'. Good clean racing simply doesn't happen unless you take a few precautions. One of the potentially effective ones is what Mitch suggested. Achim "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ubl2b.6184$[email hidden]... ... > And there are plenty of those leagues already in existance. One of the > original purposes of Rascar was to give people that frequented RAS but > didn't have a lot of online racing experience someplace to get there feet > wet and find good clean racing without worrying about messing up someones > race in a league that tracked points....

"Mitch_A" wrote: > No individual will make any rules without group consent. > Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few > manageable rules are desirable. The rebirth of the People's Front of Judea... Loretta --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

"Joachim Trensz" wrote... > I think, though, the approach of introducing a certain > minimum quality level for joining is interesting. If > you want clean, good racing without extremely threatening > rules and penalties, admitting only mature and experienced > drivers is the way to go. It was supposed to be newbie and non-legacy stock car driver friendly, but if Mitch wants to do it that way, he can do it that way. As long as *he* does it. Besides, there's no-one in RASCAR I would call incompetent as a driver. Some don't take the effects of latency into account as much as I would like to see and some seem to find it hard to judge another driver's speed, but that's about it. Situational awareness errors seemed to be on the decrease since I started the reviews, so that was no longer an issue, IMO. Jan. =---

Joachim Trensz wrote: > Good clean racing simply doesn't > happen unless you take a few precautions. Just like sex, really!

Ok. All I want is somewhere to race when it suits my schedule. Which is 6am Aussie time. 4pm for the Rascar races. I can't join a league as family and work commitments prohibit. Thats why I joined rascar. Can't join pickup races, as everyone has their max lats set so low that anyone in the southern hemishpere not on broadband can't join. The aussie servers that have a decent number of drivers in them are league servers. like I said. Out of the question. So, I'm willing to give the new revamped Rascar a go. I might be pissed at the situation, but I got to live with it. So guys. Is anyone that supported John, Eldred and Jan going to be welcome? I don't give a shit who is and isn't in control anymore. As in previous posts, life is too short to worry about petty little things. I just want to damn well race!!!!!!! So, everyone get their shit together and get this show on the road and boogie. I just want to damn well race!!!! Steve see, I can be nice at times:-)

hehe :-) Achim "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > Just like sex, really! >

Jan, I didn't understand Mitch's comment as referring to anyone currently driving in RASCAR. I also think that drivers who cause accidents more frequently aren't necessarily incompetent. They often are just a bit impatient, or not sufficiently emotionally detached for some reason :-) That's not incompetence, it's a momentary lapse of reason ;-) and I firmly believe that on the level where we are driving, this is the most common cause of accidents. Achim "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Bm2b.86606$[email hidden]... ... > It was supposed to be newbie and non-legacy stock car driver friendly, but > if Mitch wants to do it that way, he can do it that way. As long as *he* > does it. > > Besides, there's no-one in RASCAR I would call incompetent as a driver.Some

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> don't take the effects of latency into account as much as I would like to > see and some seem to find it hard to judge another driver's speed, but > that's about it. Situational awareness errors seemed to be on the decrease > since I started the reviews, so that was no longer an issue, IMO. > > Jan. > =--- > >

"Gerry Aitken" wrote... > > <snip> > Just like sex, really! I thought sex was supposed to be dirty? Jan. <g> =---

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IIn2b.86732$[email hidden]...

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> "Gerry Aitken" wrote... > > > <snip> > > Just like sex, really! > > I thought sex was supposed to be dirty? > > Jan. <g> > =--- > >

If that happens just move into the shower Jan :-) Sean

"Mitch_A" wrote... > RASCAR will continue without Mr.Simmons micro- > management. RASCAR is for RAS readers that wish > <snip> Ok, if you are really willing to take over running RASCAR then, just as with John, I'm willing to support you and try things your way. I'm glad you finally realised that if you wanted things done your way, you'd have to take over from John. It's a pity Eldred quit over the disagreement before this happened. > The server has been secured but is currently un-tested. > During this week it will be setup for a few evening > practice/testing races. Stay tuned. I guess that means these tests will take place at the very convenient time of 3 am CET? <g> > The races will be on Saturdays at 4pm est. An invite > list will eventually be in place but the first few > races will be password protected. Here's a thought: why don't you ask Eldred for the invite list? -Think it would be easier to delete a couple names rather than to build from scratch. Unless you want to evaluate everyone before putting them back on the roster. > <snip> > The group that is getting this going is looking for members > that wish to contribute any skills to help make this a better > place to race. Ginger requested I continue with the reviews. If that fits into your strategy I'm willing to continue doing that (no deadlines though). > Ed can you hear me? You can have your job back and get some > say on how you race :) I think I know what you mean, but there's something very odd about that sentence. > You can contact me for the password directly at [email hidden]. Ok, I'll apply. I'll copy in this message just in case you really did killfile me. > RASCAR is back and WE ALL have a say this time around! As I said before, I have my doubts about the long term feasability of that system. I'm afraid you're going to get 10 opinions and no concensus. But, beggars can't be choosers. I have no opportunity to do it myself so I have to support the person who does. Secondly, good intentions and a server do not a league or, if you insist, a club make. It won't update a webpage, post results/replays and keep a carset updated. Neither will it mediate disputes between drivers. Jan. =---

> RASCAR is back and WE ALL have a say this time around! >I understand you only want experienced Nascar drivers. How about posting some trial times so we know what kind of ability level you're after ? Or will there be evaluation sessions ?

Wrong approach Ted. The driver quality RASCAR needs is not related to speed ;-) Achim "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bid5kn$80n47$[email hidden]...

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> > RASCAR is back and WE ALL have a say this time around! > > > I understand you only want experienced Nascar drivers. How about posting > some trial times so we know what kind of ability level you're after ? Or > will there be evaluation sessions ? > >

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bid653$7unq7$[email hidden]... > Wrong approach Ted. The driver quality RASCAR needs is not related tospeed > ;-)Yeah, but even I can keep it safe and on the track doing 25mph ;) Being able to keep to a realistic pace would be a necessity, I would think. Slow drivers are a danger, or don't you go out on real roads ?

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:57:12 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I thought sex was supposed to be dirty? And racing dangerous? Jason

Sorry Bruce. Advice taken to heart :) You did get the point I was making though right <g> "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f49b2d4$[email hidden]... > Mitch, with respect, you need to tone down the descriptive somewhat inorder

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> not to offend we numbskulls out here. > The essence of good management is diplomacy, mate. > > Bruce. > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:f%g2b.194$[email hidden]... > >We can't afford to let any nubmskull fresh from the pickup circuit come

and > cause numerous yellow flags............etc. > >

LOL. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bicj3c$7lbe6$[email hidden]...

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> AAMOF, I think Mitch used that term on purpose, to avoid that the RASCAR > guys might get withdrawal symptoms after what they've been used to in the > past weeks ;-) > > Achim > > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3f49c988$[email hidden]... > > Oh, most certainly, Achim. > > I wasn't criticising the intent, only the wording, which may be taken as

a > > slap in the face by some. (The "numbskull" bit, that is). > > > > Bruce. > >

Elitist, hardly. I NEVER wanted to do anything against the greater good of RASCAR. I dont want to RUN anything but now WE havent much choice except John re-taking RASCAR which is un-acceptable to me and others. Or in this case give everyone some input keep the rules as simple and clearly defined as possible and hope we ALL put enough peer pressure on the bad drivers to make them improve. Peer pressure is a much better weapon than any threat. Eldred really never had any authority to put John in charge and when the impact of that decision failed he should have just let John fade back to painter/driver status. Thats just an opinion btw. We had many opportunities to resolve any issues but JS refused anything but his way. Mitch "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f49d1da$0$4191$[email hidden]... > So,please tell. Why didn't you guys just organise this a couple of weeks > ago. You were told if you didn't like it, leave. But you wouldn't. LikeI

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> said in a previous post. Some people had an agenda to piss off John and > cause the demise of Rascar to suit their own ends. Yeah they pissed off > John, but didn't count on Eldred pulling the server. > Going to interesting to see how it all works out. These committees and > selection criterea. Sounds pretty eletist. > > Steve > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:f%g2b.194$[email hidden]... > > RASCAR will continue without Mr.Simmons micro-management. RASCAR is for > RAS > > readers that wish to run in an informal yet competitive atmosphere. As > was > > in the original RASCAR charter. No individual will make any rules

without > > group consent. Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few > > manageable rules are desirable. The one key difference will be a driver > > selection process. We can't afford to let any nubmskull fresh from the > > pickup circuit come and cause numerous yellow flags so we wantexperienced > > racers only until we can establish a testing/entry process to help weed > out > > non-drivers that just happen across RAS. This isnt to say they will be > > instantly barred from competition but a testing process is a must. > > > > The server has been secured but is currently un-tested. During thisweek > it > > will be setup for a few evening practice/testing races. Stay tuned. > > > > The races will be on Saturdays at 4pm est. An invite list willeventually

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> > be in place but the first few races will be password protected. We will > > continue to use > > http://forum.racesimcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=142 as our > Forum > > unless informed otherwise. > > > > The DM will be the same as weve run since last year. This week

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> > 40%. We want clean freindly racing and encourage participation from > > everyone involved. > > > > The group that is getting this going is looking for members that wish to > > contribute any skills to help make this a better place to race. Ed can > you > > hear me? You can have your job back and get some say on how you race

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If you understand youre not at pace speed and understand the guys AT pace speed have little patience then you likely wouldnt have any problems. Its guys off the pace that think they are at pace is where the probs arise. IMO. "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bid6ie$823n4$[email hidden]...

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> > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bid653$7unq7$[email hidden]... > > Wrong approach Ted. The driver quality RASCAR needs is not related to > speed > > ;-) > Yeah, but even I can keep it safe and on the track doing 25mph ;) Being > able to keep to a realistic pace would be a necessity, I would think. Slow > drivers are a danger, or don't you go out on real roads ? > >

"Mitch_A" said: > The group that is getting this going is looking for members that wish to > contribute any skills to help make this a better place to race. Ed canyou > hear me? You can have your job back and get some say on how you race :) Heh... Well it's good to see that you guys (all of you) havn't given up yet... just as it's bad to see things go pant's in the first place. What can I say..? - well, it takes two to tango! Let's put history behind us and look forward... I'm afraid I can only offer limited help at the moment Mitch... When I dropped out I did so for several reasons, but the main ones were a) IMHO, the races really sucked and b) the racetime didn't really suit my very well.. Even with better races (if/when that comes) - there will still be the illsuited schedule. :o( I might drop in every now and then - but thats about it. I still plan to set up a week-nights division so I can free up my weekends. I just need to sort out a few things first. I can however, offer my assistance with regards to the web-site. *If* someone can help share some of the duties I'll be happy to go back to being a webmaster. I was hoping to use the RCS site for both division in the future and this way we can get a head-start - if thats okey with the rest. If anyone want to take the task alone, just let me know and I'll send over the details. What ever you guys choose to do - I wish you all the best of luck on your new ventures. :o) -- ed_ ----------------------------------------------- $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC

"redTed" said: > Yeah, but even I can keep it safe and on the track doing 25mph ;) Being > able to keep to a realistic pace would be a necessity, I would think. Slow > drivers are a danger, or don't you go out on real roads ? If you can stay safe at (or close to) "race-pace" - that makes a good driver in *my* book. As for the experience... it's just one of those things you learn but cannot be thought - if that makes any sense... It's all about know what to do when and *why*.... but perhaps more importantly - what *not* to do. But those are my words.... -- ed_ ----------------------------------------------- $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC

"Mitch_A" wrote... > If you understand youre not at pace speed and understand the > guys AT pace speed have little patience There's the rub... the faster driver is the driver that needs to be patient. He's got the better view of the situation and the better car control. He needs to "telegraph" his move and pass decisively, so the slower driver knows what to do. > then you likely wouldnt have any problems. Its guys off the > pace that think they are at pace is where the probs arise. > IMO. In RASCAR we do have the problem of drivers taking a roadcourse mindset into stock car racing, which can be bothersome, but apart from that people off the pace have to run their own race too. Their job is to finish as high up as possible, not keel over and die when a faster driver gets within half a straight. Jan. =---

Youre exactly right Jan. It's a fine line that needs to be walked :) Do I have the answers? NOPE. Peer pressure :) Youre gonna hear that allot from me. Mitch "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fzr2b.87213$[email hidden]... > "Mitch_A" wrote... > > If you understand youre not at pace speed and understand the > > guys AT pace speed have little patience > > There's the rub... the faster driver is the driver that needs to bepatient.

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> stock car racing, which can be bothersome, but apart from that people off > the pace have to run their own race too. Their job is to finish as high up > as possible, not keel over and die when a faster driver gets within half a > straight. > > Jan. > =--- > >

"Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f49d1da$0$4191$[email hidden]... > So,please tell. Why didn't you guys just organise this a couple of weeks > ago. You were told if you didn't like it, leave. <sigh> >But you wouldn't. Of course not. > Like I > said in a previous post. Some people had an agenda to piss off John and > cause the demise of Rascar to suit their own ends. 100% not true. >Yeah they pissed off > John, but didn't count on Eldred pulling the server. > Going to interesting to see how it all works out. These committees and > selection criterea. Sounds pretty eletist. > > Steve Nothing elitist about it. Clean racing and no one person in total control. David G Fisher

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> "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:f%g2b.194$[email hidden]... > > RASCAR will continue without Mr.Simmons micro-management. RASCAR is for > RAS > > readers that wish to run in an informal yet competitive atmosphere. As > was > > in the original RASCAR charter. No individual will make any rules

without > > group consent. Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few > > manageable rules are desirable. The one key difference will be a driver > > selection process. We can't afford to let any nubmskull fresh from the > > pickup circuit come and cause numerous yellow flags so we wantexperienced > > racers only until we can establish a testing/entry process to help weed > out > > non-drivers that just happen across RAS. This isnt to say they will be > > instantly barred from competition but a testing process is a must. > > > > The server has been secured but is currently un-tested. During thisweek > it > > will be setup for a few evening practice/testing races. Stay tuned. > > > > The races will be on Saturdays at 4pm est. An invite list willeventually

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> > 40%. We want clean freindly racing and encourage participation from > > everyone involved. > > > > The group that is getting this going is looking for members that wish to > > contribute any skills to help make this a better place to race. Ed can > you > > hear me? You can have your job back and get some say on how you race

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> > > > You can contact me for the password directly at [email hidden]. > > > > RASCAR is back and WE ALL have a say this time around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f49f9fb$0$6525$[email hidden]... > Ok. All I want is somewhere to race when it suits my schedule. Which is > 6am Aussie time. 4pm for the Rascar races. I can't join a league as > family and work commitments prohibit. Thats why I joined rascar. Can't > join pickup races, as everyone has their max lats set so low that anyonein > the southern hemishpere not on broadband can't join. The aussie servers > that have a decent number of drivers in them are league servers. like I > said. Out of the question. > So, I'm willing to give the new revamped Rascar a go. I might be pissedat > the situation, but I got to live with it. > > So guys. Is anyone that supported John, Eldred and Jan going to bewelcome?

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> > I don't give a shit who is and isn't in control anymore. As in previous > posts, life is too short to worry about petty little things. I just want > to damn well race!!!!!!! > > So, everyone get their shit together and get this show on the road and > boogie. I just want to damn well race!!!! > > Steve > > see, I can be nice at times:-)

Yes, that is a good question. I have a simple question. Why should I have certain guys race with the new RASCAR when 5 minutes ago, when certain people felt they were in charge, they pounded their chest in unison and then kicked me out of the old RASCAR? When Eldred pulled his server, Jan said at the forum that RASCAR would continue, but WITHOUT me. Should I act like them, or better? David G Fisher

"Mitch_A" wrote > > RASCAR is back and WE ALL have a say this time around! Presumably starting with a democratic election for leader/organiser whatever. Otherwise isn't this just a coup? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

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> > "Mitch_A" wrote: > > > No individual will make any rules without group consent. > > Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few > > manageable rules are desirable. > > The rebirth of the People's Front of Judea... > > Loretta

You have a womb yet Loretta ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"David G Fisher" wrote: > Why should I have > certain guys race with the new RASCAR when 5 minutes ago, when certain > people felt they were in charge, they pounded their chest in unison andthen > kicked me out of the old RASCAR? Why should *you* have? Sounds like you are assuming some authority here. The new Rascar is run by the people you know. How long do you plan to drag this on for, David? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

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> > > No individual will make any rules without group consent. > > > Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few > > > manageable rules are desirable. > > > > The rebirth of the People's Front of Judea... > > > > Loretta > > You have a womb yet Loretta ?

It is not the fact I can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even John Simmons, but that I can have the right to have babies. It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression by the old Rascar regime... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

Thank you Mitch. Why would anyone support someone who had nothing to say to them but stop kissing John's ass is beyond me but I certainly will not. I will say this, Unless your able to apologize to at least 3 people you publicly accused of sucking up to John every single time we offered HIM support you can lay claim to the big fish in a small pond all you like and it will never make you anything more than an agitator who grabbed the ball and said it was his. Oh excuse me, OURS, lol. I will never race on a server you admin, won't ever happen. You're antics were absolutely in no way less offensive than anything John said or did. Your ridiculous arguments, flaming, and pompous righteous holier-than-thou attitude, and bravado attempts at claiming you are for the group, while simultaneously changing it's core idea of an open invite policy, simply show just how incapable you are. You don't even deserve the respect of explaining it to you personally since your obviously so incapable of grasping it. You want, YOU, want RASCAR to be just another league, with the same closed doors all the others have. Your version of RASCAR will not only not survive, you will only be remembered as the single person who alienated a decent guy like Eldred who happened to have a good server, and knew what to do with it. -- Tim White

"Mitch_A" wrote: > RASCAR will continue without Mr.Simmons micro-management. RASCAR is forRAS > readers that wish to run in an informal yet competitive atmosphere. Aswas > in the original RASCAR charter. No individual will make any rules without > group consent. Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few > manageable rules are desirable. With good intentions, I am sure, but... Who is the group "getting this going". Who are they and why should they be in charge when the rationale for change was based on John's authority being questioned for assuming control in the first place? Decisions have been made - start time, race length, forum etc. How will the driver selection process work and how will it be decided - by the whole of RAS, the defined group above, or by you alone? Running by a committee of everyone is fraught with problems, delays and a good deal of frustration for everyone. The above examples show how you are forced to cut corners and make decisions. Even though they are for the good of the group it still contradicts the RASCAR is for RAS concept. Isn't it better to elect a leader or organising group with a mandate to lead for a period if you want to go down the democratic route. Otherwise it is just hyprocrisy to oust an unelected leader with another one based on the desire for democracy, no matter how well meaning the rationale. Cheers Tony --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

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> > It is not the fact I can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which > is nobody's fault, not even John Simmons, but that I can have the right to > have babies. > > It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression by the old Rascar > regime...

I'm laughing so hard I'm not even going to *try* to come up with a decent response to that Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Tim" wrote: > Thank you Mitch. > > Why would anyone support someone who had nothing to say to them but stopkissing > John's ass is beyond me but I certainly will not. I agree, Tim. If John's attitude was considered inappropriate to lead Rascar by the consensus of RAS (which is an unknown fact btw) then potential pretenders to the crown need to prove why they would be better. The onslaught of flaming posts is hardly a good starting point. Cheers Tony --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

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> <snip> > Yes, that is a good question. I have a simple question. > Why should I have certain guys race with the new RASCAR > when 5 minutes ago, when certain people felt they were > in charge, they pounded their chest in unison and then > kicked me out of the old RASCAR? > > When Eldred pulled his server, Jan said at the forum > that RASCAR would continue, but WITHOUT me. > > Should I act like them, or better?

You can act how you like. It doesn't matter whether I drive in RASCAR or not, just that there's a RASCAR. I did what I felt I had to do to keep it going. John had chucked you out, I had decided to rent a server and continue RASCAR that way. The post was right for it's time. You nor Mitch ever provided an alternative until after John's patience ran out. I have no real bones with the way you drive(*), just with the way you act when you believe you're being wronged. Jan. =--- (*): you should be more carefull with running others close tho'. Not all connections are as solid as yours.

"Tony Rickard" wrote... > > <snip> > > Presumably starting with a democratic election for > leader/organiser whatever. Otherwise isn't this > just a coup? That's the secret... there will be no leader and stuff will just get organised. <g> Jan./sorry, couldn't resist... ;-) =---

> > That's the secret... there will be no leader and stuff will just get > organised. <g> >You don't want to give it a chance, do you ? You're just as anti (new) Rascar as Mitch and others were the old one, all bit it with loads of <g>'s and stuff to ease the atmos. Why should there be one all mighty leader ? Web page maintenance can split into sections. I'm sure there are many ppl willing to contribute.

"redTed" wrote: > > > > That's the secret... there will be no leader and stuff will just get > > organised. <g> > > > You don't want to give it a chance, do you ? You're just as anti (new) > Rascar as Mitch and others were the old one, all bit it with loads of<g>'s > and stuff to ease the atmos. > Why should there be one all mighty leader ? Web page maintenance cansplit > into sections. I'm sure there are many ppl willing to contribute. If you read the other posts you'll note that Jan has expressed support to Mitch, but also expressed concern at the committee of all approach - which I share. Following Mitch's comments to Jan, he has chosen to ignore the persoanl insult to further the chances of rascar succeeding. Something few others have been prepared to do. Cheers Tony --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

"redTed" wrote... > > <snip> > You don't want to give it a chance, do you ? I do, honestly, but I also like ribbing. > You're just as anti (new) > Rascar as Mitch and others were the old one, all bit it > with loads of <g>'s and stuff to ease the atmos. > Why should there be one all mighty leader ? Web page > maintenance can split into sections. I'm sure there are > many ppl willing to contribute. I'll also be helping out with the race reviews. Jan. =---

I do, honestly, but I also like ribbing. I'll also be helping out with the race reviews. Jan. =---

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> "Goy Larsen" wrote: > > > > > No individual will make any rules without group consent. > > > > Either a commitee or group voting will decide what few > > > > manageable rules are desirable. > > > > > > The rebirth of the People's Front of Judea... > > > > > > Loretta > > > > You have a womb yet Loretta ? > > It is not the fact I can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which > is nobody's fault, not even John Simmons, but that I can have the right to > have babies.

As long as it doesn't interfere with your performance on the track, drivers are permitted to have babies, but only on pit road. Lastly, nobody will be allowed to discuss the new babies after 9pm on the Tuesday immediately following the birth. > It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression by the old Rascar > regime... I'm not gone, I'm just in exile. When I think the time is right, I'll be back to take what's rightfully mine.

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> "David G Fisher" wrote... > > <snip> > > When Eldred pulled his server, Jan said at the forum > > that RASCAR would continue, but WITHOUT me. > > > > Should I act like them, or better? > > You can act how you like. It doesn't matter whether I drive in RASCAR or > not, just that there's a RASCAR. I did what I felt I had to do to keep it > going. > > John had chucked you out, I had decided to rent a server and continue RASCAR > that way. The post was right for it's time. You nor Mitch ever provided an > alternative until after John's patience ran out. > > I have no real bones with the way you drive(*), just with the way you act > when you believe you're being wronged.

You just haven't been punted by him yet. Dave couldn't hold a line if it was stapled to his forehead. (I know, that's an old one by now, but since I'm not in RASCAR anymore, I can use it.)

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> "Tim" wrote: > > > Thank you Mitch. > > > > Why would anyone support someone who had nothing to say to them but stop > kissing > > John's ass is beyond me but I certainly will not. > > I agree, Tim. If John's attitude was considered inappropriate to lead > Rascar by the consensus of RAS (which is an unknown fact btw) then > potential pretenders to the crown need to prove why they would be better. > The onslaught of flaming posts is hardly a good starting point. >

It's their football now, Tony. I'm all for letting them run with it.

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I'm not gone, I'm just in exile. When I think the time is right, I'll > be back to take what's rightfully mine. > LOL, you just can't help yourself can you?? thanks for the laugh. Sean

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes >In article <H%u2b.4338$[email hidden]>, <snip> >> It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression by the old Rascar >> regime... > >I'm not gone, I'm just in exile. When I think the time is right, I'll >be back to take what's rightfully mine. > I'm not sure which I'm looking forward to the most. The above, or Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King. :) -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

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>> RASCAR is back and WE ALL have a say this time around! > >As I said before, I have my doubts about the long term feasability of that >system. I'm afraid you're going to get 10 opinions and no concensus. But, >beggars can't be choosers. I have no opportunity to do it myself so I have >to support the person who does. >

Well, all it takes is for Mitch to say in these situations: Ok we've got x differing opinions here. I've decided on trying out opinion b for now to see how things go. Bear with me on this. It doesn't mean its guaranteed to work, though, but let's at least give it a try for now. Please don't hesitate to give your views on this new rule, once we've had a chance to try it out. The sooner I start getting some feedback on this, the quicker I can decide whether it's going to work or not. I'll keep you all posted.

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>Secondly, good intentions and a server do not a league or, if you insist, a >club make. It won't update a webpage, post results/replays and keep a >carset >updated. Neither will it mediate disputes between drivers. > >Jan. >=--- > > >

-- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Fjv2b.28293$[email hidden]... > Thank you Mitch. > > Why would anyone support someone who had nothing to say to them but stopkissing > John's ass is beyond me but I certainly will not. > > I will say this, > > Unless your able to apologize to at least 3 people you publicly accused of > sucking up to John every single time we offered HIM support you can layclaim to > the big fish in a small pond all you like and it will never make youanything > more than an agitator who grabbed the ball and said it was his. Oh excuseme, > OURS, lol. > The part I find funny is Mitch's assertion that John had no right to make up rules because he "VOLUNTEERED" to help out. Then the first thing Mitch does is take over (after Jan had initiated a plan to keep rascar going) and make a rule about who will be allowed to race. What group did you poll to come up with that rule Mitch? What happened to the original premise to rascar now Mitch? Doesn't seem like that was so important to you after all. Pretty ballsy! Sean

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm not gone, I'm just in exile. When I think the time is right, I'll > be back to take what's rightfully mine. Not a lot of call for Nascar Paint Jobs on Elba John. ;o( Elrikk

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> In article <MDo2b.86823$[email hidden]>, Jan > Verschueren <[email hidden]> writes > >"Mitch_A" wrote... > > <snip> > > > Well, all it takes is for Mitch to say in these situations: Ok we've > got x differing opinions here. I've decided on trying out opinion b for > now to see how things go. Bear with me on this. It doesn't mean its > guaranteed to work, though, but let's at least give it a try for now. > Please don't hesitate to give your views on this new rule, once we've > had a chance to try it out. The sooner I start getting some feedback on > this, the quicker I can decide whether it's going to work or not. I'll > keep you all posted. >

Funny, I'd swear that is what John was doing! Sean

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I'm not gone, I'm just in exile. When I think the time is right, I'll > > be back to take what's rightfully mine. > > > > LOL, you just can't help yourself can you?? > > > thanks for the laugh. >

:)

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> In article <[email hidden]>, John > Simmons <[email hidden]> writes > >In article <H%u2b.4338$[email hidden]>, > <snip> > >> It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression by the old Rascar > >> regime... > > > >I'm not gone, I'm just in exile. When I think the time is right, I'll > >be back to take what's rightfully mine. > > > > I'm not sure which I'm looking forward to the most. The above, or Lord > of the Rings, The Return of the King. :) > >

I can't help myself. When all else fails, laugh at it. :)

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> > "Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:g$XT3VADgqS$[email hidden]... > > In article <MDo2b.86823$[email hidden]>, Jan > > Verschueren <[email hidden]> writes > > >"Mitch_A" wrote... > > > > <snip> > > > > > > Well, all it takes is for Mitch to say in these situations: Ok we've > > got x differing opinions here. I've decided on trying out opinion b for > > now to see how things go. Bear with me on this. It doesn't mean its > > guaranteed to work, though, but let's at least give it a try for now. > > Please don't hesitate to give your views on this new rule, once we've > > had a chance to try it out. The sooner I start getting some feedback on > > this, the quicker I can decide whether it's going to work or not. I'll > > keep you all posted. > > > Funny, I'd swear that is what John was doing! >

It was. And I'd like to thank you for ruining my secret. You BASTARD! :)

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> > "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Fjv2b.28293$[email hidden]... > > Thank you Mitch. > > > > Why would anyone support someone who had nothing to say to them but stop > kissing > > John's ass is beyond me but I certainly will not. > > > > I will say this, > > > > Unless your able to apologize to at least 3 people you publicly accused

of > > sucking up to John every single time we offered HIM support you can lay > claim to > > the big fish in a small pond all you like and it will never make you > anything > > more than an agitator who grabbed the ball and said it was his. Ohexcuse > me, > > OURS, lol. > > > > > The part I find funny is Mitch's assertion that John had no right to makeup > rules because he "VOLUNTEERED" to help out. > Then the first thing Mitch does is take over (after Jan had initiated aplan

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> to keep rascar going) and make a rule about who will be allowed to race. > What group did you poll to come up with that rule Mitch? > What happened to the original premise to rascar now Mitch? Doesn't seem > like that was so important to you after all. > Pretty ballsy! > > Sean

Who knows what evil lurks in the minds of men ? The S h a d o w knows. /slightly insane laughter - fade sound. Elrikk

Do you want to race with RASCAR? Would you like to paint and manage the carset? You are welcome. As I said many times it wasnt ever personal. It's up to you now John. Mitch "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > I'm not gone, I'm just in exile. When I think the time is right, I'll > > > be back to take what's rightfully mine. > > > > > > > LOL, you just can't help yourself can you?? > > > > > > thanks for the laugh. > > > > > :)

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> >"Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in >message >news:g$XT3VADgqS$[email hidden]... >> In article <MDo2b.86823$[email hidden]>, Jan >> Verschueren <[email hidden]> writes >> >"Mitch_A" wrote... >> >> <snip> >> >> >> Well, all it takes is for Mitch to say in these situations: Ok we've >> got x differing opinions here. I've decided on trying out opinion b for >> now to see how things go. Bear with me on this. It doesn't mean its >> guaranteed to work, though, but let's at least give it a try for now. >> Please don't hesitate to give your views on this new rule, once we've >> had a chance to try it out. The sooner I start getting some feedback on >> this, the quicker I can decide whether it's going to work or not. I'll >> keep you all posted. >> >Funny, I'd swear that is what John was doing! > >Sean

You know, as I was typing it, I had a similar feeling, but thought I'd go ahead and post it anyway. :) -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > "Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:g$XT3VADgqS$[email hidden]... > > > In article <MDo2b.86823$[email hidden]>, Jan > > > Verschueren <[email hidden]> writes > > > >"Mitch_A" wrote... > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > Well, all it takes is for Mitch to say in these situations: Ok we've > > > got x differing opinions here. I've decided on trying out opinion b

for > > > now to see how things go. Bear with me on this. It doesn't mean its > > > guaranteed to work, though, but let's at least give it a try for now. > > > Please don't hesitate to give your views on this new rule, once we've > > > had a chance to try it out. The sooner I start getting some feedbackon > > > this, the quicker I can decide whether it's going to work or not.I'll

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> > > keep you all posted. > > > > > Funny, I'd swear that is what John was doing! > > > > It was. And I'd like to thank you for ruining my secret. You BASTARD! > > :)

hehe, secret? was that a secret? damn, I did it again! Sean

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"McWhom" wrote... > > <snip> > The part I find funny is Mitch's assertion that John had > no right to make up rules because he "VOLUNTEERED" to > help out. Then the first thing Mitch does is take over > (after Jan had initiated a plan to keep rascar going) Well, he might have had me killfiled at that point, so he may not have seen that one. > and make a rule about who will be allowed to race. > What group did you poll to come up with that rule Mitch? > What happened to the original premise to rascar now > Mitch? Doesn't seem like that was so important to you > after all. > Pretty ballsy! I liked the one where he accused John of "instigating and then using that to take control". Some animals are indeed more equal than others, it seems. <vwg> But let's not dwell on that. The RASCAR concept was flawed to begin with, which is a freaky thing for me to say as I helped devise it. Things have to evolve and it's doing it now. Perhaps it will work out, perhaps it won't... too early to tell yet. We have to keep the same open mind... John's way was a gamble too. Jan. =---

Hey Mitch, I was on the invite list to the old Rascar, however had not been racing much. I would very much like to be a part of racing with Rascar now - I will be out of town this weekend so I won't be able to make that race, but should be able to make them after that. I would appreciate it if you would consider me and add me to the list. Thanks, -- Don Burnette remove clothes when replying via email redTed wrote: >> RASCAR is back and WE ALL have a say this time around! >> > I understand you only want experienced Nascar drivers. How about > posting some trial times so we know what kind of ability level you're > after ? Or will there be evaluation sessions ?

In article <4Aq2b.6337$[email hidden]>, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred really never had any authority to put John in charge I didn't? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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It was ONLY your server :-) Jerry

Unless I misunderstood his announcement, Mitch said he'll organise things until the committee he's currently trying to gather is ready to take over. And he's indeed looking for members for this committee over in the RASCAR forums. Sounds pretty fair and square to me. Achim "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > Then the first thing Mitch does is take over (after Jan had initiated aplan > to keep rascar going) and make a rule about who will be allowed to race. > What group did you poll to come up with that rule Mitch? > What happened to the original premise to rascar now Mitch?...

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > I'm not gone, I'm just in exile. When I think the time is right, I'll > be back to take what's rightfully mine. >The second coming..... We should call you J.C. then:-) Steve

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Shhhh. They're not interested in the facts.

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > I'm not gone, I'm just in exile. When I think the time is right, I'll > > be back to take what's rightfully mine. > > > The second coming..... > We should call you J.C. then:-) > > Steve

I prefer Adolf, or the now-popular El Supremo...

You're right. That's exactly what we're doing. David G Fisher "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bif35a$8pive$[email hidden]...

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> Unless I misunderstood his announcement, Mitch said he'll organise things > until the committee he's currently trying to gather is ready to take over. > And he's indeed looking for members for this committee over in the RASCAR > forums. Sounds pretty fair and square to me. > > Achim > > > "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > ... > > Then the first thing Mitch does is take over (after Jan had initiated a > plan > > to keep rascar going) and make a rule about who will be allowed to race. > > What group did you poll to come up with that rule Mitch? > > What happened to the original premise to rascar now Mitch? > ... > >

And this is a hoot: "It may be as difficult for others as it was for me and DGF but if you cant deal with it then why come and snipe." Apparently, it *was* okay to take pot-shots at me, but nobody is allowed to take pot-shots at *them*...

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> "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bif35a$8pive$[email hidden]... > > Unless I misunderstood his announcement, Mitch said he'll organise things > > until the committee he's currently trying to gather is ready to take over. > > And he's indeed looking for members for this committee over in the RASCAR > > forums. Sounds pretty fair and square to me. > > > > Achim > > > > > > "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > ... > > > Then the first thing Mitch does is take over (after Jan had initiated a > > plan > > > to keep rascar going) and make a rule about who will be allowed to race. > > > What group did you poll to come up with that rule Mitch? > > > What happened to the original premise to rascar now Mitch? > > ... > > > > > > >

Ok, Goy's been too quiet through all this. Maybe we should mention Aussie V8's to wake him up:-) On a more serious not. I'm going with Jan on this one as well, about putting our support to the Rascar Mark 11. We all cleared the air this week. Now everyone knows what each others views are. Me, I don't hold any grudges against anyone. I spoke my mind of the situation as I saw it. If I upset or offended anyone, well I can't do anything about that. But just because I got pissed off with someone, doesn't mean I hate or dispise them, its just that we have a difference of opinion. End of story. RAS is like a family. And in families, you have disputes. We just manged to have a bloody humungous one. I'm just hoping everyone here is mature enough to put everything behind and get on with racing. Steve

Francois, why don't you take that suggestion and your condescending manner and stuff it up your Quebecois jumper? I was using search engines when you were dirtying your diaper, you buffoon. Bruce. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vyy2b.931$[email hidden]... > >"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Since they have already answered you, let me add that Google has a nice > acronym search engine that is very powerful. It can truly help in such > situations.

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Yes, that is a good question. I have a simple question. Why should I have > certain guys race with the new RASCAR when 5 minutes ago, when certain > people felt they were in charge, they pounded their chest in unison andthen

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> kicked me out of the old RASCAR? > > When Eldred pulled his server, Jan said at the forum that RASCAR would > continue, but WITHOUT me. > > Should I act like them, or better? > > David G Fisher

Simple answer to a simple question, Its called maturity. Not having a dig at you there. We all voiced our views. Now its time to get on with rascar and racing. Sure, you may not like everyone that is racing alongside you, but shit happens. I don't know about you guys. But RAS was fairly quiet lately. This shit fight really livened the joint up. But now its time to all act like adults(no dig intended) and get on with it. Steve

Bingo! I could not imagine anyone wanting anything to do with this mess. How and why was this Mitch character even allowed to race let alone run the damn thing after his latest behavior? It reminds me of my current work environment, the biggest screw-ups run the show. "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Fjv2b.28293$[email hidden]... > Thank you Mitch. > > Why would anyone support someone who had nothing to say to them but stopkissing > John's ass is beyond me but I certainly will not. > > I will say this, > > Unless your able to apologize to at least 3 people you publicly accused of > sucking up to John every single time we offered HIM support you can layclaim to > the big fish in a small pond all you like and it will never make youanything > more than an agitator who grabbed the ball and said it was his. Oh excuseme, > OURS, lol. > > I will never race on a server you admin, won't ever happen. You're anticswere > absolutely in no way less offensive than anything John said or did. Your > ridiculous arguments, flaming, and pompous righteous holier-than-thouattitude, > and bravado attempts at claiming you are for the group, whilesimultaneously > changing it's core idea of an open invite policy, simply show just howincapable > you are. > > You don't even deserve the respect of explaining it to you personallysince your > obviously so incapable of grasping it. > > You want, YOU, want RASCAR to be just another league, with the same closeddoors > all the others have. Your version of RASCAR will not only not survive,you will > only be remembered as the single person who alienated a decent guy likeEldred > who happened to have a good server, and knew what to do with it. > > -- > Tim White > >

You clueless SOB. <G> -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 439540 http://www.Husted.cc "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bifovb$mtn$[email hidden]... > Bingo! I could not imagine anyone wanting anything to do with this mess. > How and why was this Mitch character even allowed to race let alone run the > damn thing after his latest behavior? > > It reminds me of my current work environment, the biggest screw-ups run the > show. > >

John - At least you can say one thing positive out of this mess. They surpassed the "Alien" Tom Pabst thread ;) -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 439540 http://www.Husted.cc "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <0xv2b.4365$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > "Tim" wrote: > > > > > Thank you Mitch. > > > > > > Why would anyone support someone who had nothing to say to them but stop > > kissing > > > John's ass is beyond me but I certainly will not. > > > > I agree, Tim. If John's attitude was considered inappropriate to lead > > Rascar by the consensus of RAS (which is an unknown fact btw) then > > potential pretenders to the crown need to prove why they would be better. > > The onslaught of flaming posts is hardly a good starting point. > > > > It's their football now, Tony. I'm all for letting them run with it. >

There is a maximum age limit.... sorry Don. <VBG> -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 439540 http://www.Husted.cc "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey Mitch, > > I was on the invite list to the old Rascar, however had not been racing > much. > I would very much like to be a part of racing with Rascar now - I will be > out of town this weekend so I won't be able to make that race, but should be > able to make them after that. > > I would appreciate it if you would consider me and add me to the list. > > Thanks, > > > -- > Don Burnette > > remove clothes when replying via email > > > redTed wrote: > >> RASCAR is back and WE ALL have a say this time around! > >> > > I understand you only want experienced Nascar drivers. How about > > posting some trial times so we know what kind of ability level you're > > after ? Or will there be evaluation sessions ? > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Yes, that is a good question. I have a simple question. Why should I have > certain guys race with the new RASCAR when 5 minutes ago, when certain > people felt they were in charge, they pounded their chest in unison andthen > kicked me out of the old RASCAR? > Quite simply because you don't have any more right to stop them from racing then you felt John had for trying to stop you. Ta Da ! Elrikk

>"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > The RASCAR concept was flawed to begin with Flawed perhaps, but it had a use. Everybody here has different racing abilities, so one way or another you would have had people with different skills on the track at the same time. It was bound to be yellow-fest. But that's what we wanted in the first place, many people accepted the fact that people of different abilities would be racing on the same track, the same race as you. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > Francois, why don't you take that suggestion and your condescending manner > and stuff it up your Quebecois jumper? > I was using search engines when you were dirtying your diaper, youbuffoon. See above how a nice suggestion from myself to everybody (as I use Google acronym almost daily) gets turned into an "bitch slap" by Bruce. Sorry you took it that way :(

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> "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vyy2b.931$[email hidden]... > > >"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > Since they have already answered you, let me add that Google has a nice > > acronym search engine that is very powerful. It can truly help in such > > situations.

-- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Which is exactly why the were asked to stay. When offered equal decision making power they declined. So be it. Time to move on. "elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Quite simply because you don't have any more right to stop them from racing

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> then you felt John had for trying to stop you. > > Ta Da ! > > Elrikk > >

"David G Fisher" wrote: > > Unless I misunderstood his announcement, Mitch said he'll organisethings > > until the committee he's currently trying to gather is ready to takeover. > > And he's indeed looking for members for this committee over in theRASCAR > > forums. Sounds pretty fair and square to me. > You're right. That's exactly what we're doing. Ahh, DGF as a peacekeeping force - now we're assured... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

"ymenard" wrote... > > <snip> > Flawed perhaps, but it had a use. Everybody here has > different racing abilities, so one way or another you > would have had people with different skills on the > track at the same time. Have you looked at the grids, lately? <g>

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> It was bound to be yellow-fest. > > > But that's what we wanted in the first place, many > people accepted the fact that people of different > abilities would be racing on the same track, the > same race as you.

Yes, but, once the novelty factor of racing the guys from the newsgroup wears off, it can only get old. And it does... quicker than I would have thought, actually. Jan. =---

Steve Whitty wrote: > > Ok, Goy's been too quiet through all this. Maybe we should mention Aussie > V8's to wake him up:-) Seriously, I didn't have anything to add and now that it's over I don't really want to add anything even though there's plenty that could be said It's been an interesting read though, I'll leave it at that Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HHK2b.29953$[email hidden]... > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Yes, that is a good question. I have a simple question. Why should Ihave

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racing > then you felt John had for trying to stop you. > > Ta Da ! > > Elrikk "Should I act like them, or better?" You cut that out. Their names, and everyopne else's, were still on the invite list posted at the forum yesterday because as I've been saying all along, I know what RASCAR is about, and I was not going to turn around and then *attempt* to be punk dictator who takes control of RASCAR. We all know who those people were who did act that way, and who supported them. Ta Da ! David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" wrote: > "Should I act like them, or better?" > > You cut that out. > > Their names, and everyopne else's, were still on the invite list postedat > the forum yesterday because as I've been saying all along, I know what > RASCAR is about, and I was not going to turn around and then *attempt* tobe > punk dictator who takes control of RASCAR. We all know who those peoplewere > who did act that way, and who supported them. What a guy... Does the emphasis on attempt means you achieved it? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ArP2b.5098$[email hidden]...

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> > "David G Fisher" wrote: > > > "Should I act like them, or better?" > > > > You cut that out. > > > > Their names, and everyopne else's, were still on the invite list posted > at > > the forum yesterday because as I've been saying all along, I know what > > RASCAR is about, and I was not going to turn around and then *attempt*

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> be > > punk dictator who takes control of RASCAR. We all know who those people > were > > who did act that way, and who supported them. > > What a guy... > > Does the emphasis on attempt means you achieved it?

What part of "I was not" confused you? Although John thinks he achieved total control of RASCAR, he never really did. It was an *attempt* on his part, and it failed. Yo won't see that from Mitch and I. Read the forum again. I don't know why you are being so negative Tony. I said a days ago before John quit that I was hoping you and some of the other early RASCAR drivers would rejoin. I always liked racing with you, and thought you were the type of driver we needed more of. You've been doing your best to put a negative spin on much of what Mitch and I have posted the past two days though, so I give up trying to convince you. Still hope you join though. David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" wrote: > I don't know why you are being so negative Tony. I said a days ago before > John quit that I was hoping you and some of the other early RASCARdrivers > would rejoin. I always liked racing with you, and thought you were thetype > of driver we needed more of. As stated before, I enjoyed racing you and your company in Rascar in the early days. The RAS Sucks paint job was a touch of wit deserving of British humour :) > You've been doing your best to put a negative spin on much of what Mitchand > I have posted the past two days though, so I give up trying to convinceyou. Well its not like you to give up David, I have been unimpressed with the leadership development (explanataion follows), but have kept well out of the slanging matches you will find and it is not personal. Depending on your viewpoint having not been involved I either don't have enough information to comment or can stand back and have an objective view. From my spectator's seat I have seen a big slanging match in which some pretty offensive things have been said and two of the worst offenders then expect the support of the group. Usenet can be tough to be restrained, but I have to say I think you could talk your way to a red card in the tunnel on the way onto the soccer pitch! I stated before that I felt Mitch's post was well intentioned but it is inevitable that assuming leadership even under the concept of complete group ownership will appear to be a coup. I think it naive to think that it can run as a committee of all. Already some decisions have to made and then all of your arguments about rights to make decisions against John fall apart. I have been negative because I can see it happening all over again. Whether you see it this way or not, Dave, you and Mitch do like to pursue an argument through to the bitter end when others might bite their lip (or whatever the keyboard equivalent is) for the sake of diplomacy. In which case someone like Jan might be an easier choice for the RASers to get behind to handle sensitive situations. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want you to be part of the decision team at all. Following the uproar having a more neutral leadership would seem favourable. It appeared to me that Jan had stated he would do it and was soliciting (and receiving) support then Mitch simply told us how it was happening. This may have been poor communication, but a good communicator is exactly what we need right now. Finally you will note I have respect for John. Having raced with him in the past and spent many late hours conversing with John, I like the guy. His blatant humour makes me laugh, just as your RAS Sucks thing did. So I will be biased as I know John much better than I know you - its human nature. Point taken though, I'll refrain from the ribbing (though I liked the JUNTACAR line!) Cheers Tony --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003

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> >"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Francois, why don't you take that suggestion and your condescending manner > > and stuff it up your Quebecois jumper? > > I was using search engines when you were dirtying your diaper, you > buffoon. > > > See above how a nice suggestion from myself to everybody (as I use Google > acronym almost daily) gets turned into an "bitch slap" by Bruce. Sorry you > took it that way :( >

I like that word - "buffoon". I think I'll start using it more... Hey redTed, you're a buffoon! Yeah - that's real classy, and certainly sounds more socially acceptable than something like this: Hey redTed, you're a fuck-wad! Yeah, I think "buffoon" is way classier, and implies his ape-like features and intellect... Thanks Bruce! I feel like I'm a better person now! :)

But there was another thread some time back that I started that had 174 replies. Have we surpassed that one yet? :) In article <FXJ2b.2812$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > John - At least you can say one thing positive out of this mess. They > surpassed the "Alien" Tom Pabst thread ;) >

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> >"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > > The RASCAR concept was flawed to begin with > > > Flawed perhaps, but it had a use. Everybody here has different racing > abilities, so one way or another you would have had people with different > skills on the track at the same time. It was bound to be yellow-fest. > > > But that's what we wanted in the first place, many people accepted the fact > that people of different abilities would be racing on the same track, the > same race as you. >

At the same time, the RASCAR races were intended to give people a way to get better at racing without worrying about being wrecked. You can't get better at racing if you're always under caution. That's what I was trying to fix.

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> I like that word - "buffoon". I think I'll start using it more... > > Hey redTed, you're a buffoon! > > > Yeah - that's real classy, and certainly sounds more socially > acceptable than something like this: > > > Hey redTed, you're a fuck-wad! > > > Yeah, I think "buffoon" is way classier, and implies his ape-like > features and intellect... > > Thanks Bruce! I feel like I'm a better person now!

Hey, look ... Jethro's found his swear book.. Stop showing off. Did they teach you that kind of language "In the Navy", sailor ? Somehow, I don't think anyone cares what you say anymore. You've had you're 15 minutes of fame and now you will regret letting me out of your pen. I wouldn't be too quick to remind people of your hilarious sloping forehead skit, I've seen your "family" photo's on your personal homage to JSimmons web page. I won't post a link as it's getting late, and I don't want to be responsible for people having horrific nightmares.

So a rule sending the leader to the rear at start of next race, or no chatting rule, or time limited discussion rule all made the racing better? In what way? You say one thing then implement rules that have no relationship. We all know they were your pet peeve rules but you'll never see that. You can justify anything so theirs no arguing. Why don't you just come and race. You said thats all you wanted. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <hxL2b.6560$[email hidden]>, francois- > [email hidden] says... > > >"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > The RASCAR concept was flawed to begin with > > > > > > Flawed perhaps, but it had a use. Everybody here has different racing > > abilities, so one way or another you would have had people with

different > > skills on the track at the same time. It was bound to be yellow-fest. > > > > > > But that's what we wanted in the first place, many people accepted thefact > > that people of different abilities would be racing on the same track,the

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Did you do that??? Why DIDN'T you just come and race. You said thats all you wanted. -- Tim White "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ptR2b.7335$[email hidden]... > You can justify anything so theirs no arguing. > > Why don't you just come and race. You said thats all you wanted. >

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:38:39 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Francois, why don't you take that suggestion and your condescending manner >and stuff it up your Quebecois jumper? >I was using search engines when you were dirtying your diaper, you buffoon. DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Btw, thanks for the suggestion, Frank, hadn't noticed they added an acronym search. I'm addicted to the image search engine. Thanks, Jason

Actually, John, your inference that the word "buffoon" means an ape-like appearance and intellect is not correct, I;, afraid. The word stems from a combination of French ('bouffon') and the Italian word for jester, 'buffone'. Therefore the only implication that could be arrived at is that the subject is a dill, not that he is a Neanderthal. Bruce. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Yeah, I think "buffoon" is way classier, and implies his ape-like > features and intellect... >

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I like that word - "buffoon". I think I'll start using it more... > > Hey redTed, you're a buffoon! I read recently that a paper (I think NYT?) publishes a list of new words annually, which are combinations of two other words. It's an annual competition among readers I think. One of my favourites this year was "bozone", which is the dense cloud surrounding a particularly stupid individual, preventing any sense from entering. Kinda like that. Another fave was "ignoranus", an idiot who is also an ass :-) John PS - Of course a quick Google confirms it's the Washington Post, and a list of the winners ; http://bandonbythesea.com/forum/messages/3348.html ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =---

I'll get ymenard to do a recount. ;) -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 439540 http://www.Husted.cc "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > But there was another thread some time back that I started that had > 174 replies. Have we surpassed that one yet? :) > > In article <FXJ2b.2812$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > John - At least you can say one thing positive out of this mess. They > > surpassed the "Alien" Tom Pabst thread ;) > >