I haven't seen any talk of this, but project wildfire released papy's
track tools today. Hopefully some of the more prominent GPL track
builders will pick it up. =)
Jason
Project Wildfire releases Papyrus track-building tools
Jason Moyer reported that Project Wildfire had released Papyrus's track-making tools. ymenard argued that public tools would produce floods of poor NR2003 tracks and should have been limited to realism-focused groups, but most replied that GPL's community had produced gems such as the Isle of Man circuit and that users could simply skip bad tracks. The exchange turned into personal sniping between ymenard and Bruce Kennewell.
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>"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote
> I haven't seen any talk of this, but project wildfire released papy's
> track tools today. Hopefully some of the more prominent GPL track
> builders will pick it up. =)
Great, I can't wait for a thousand crappy tracks to appear online.
They should have left it for use to amateur groups with realism at heart.
:-/
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Oh, get a grip, for Chrissakes, Fran�ois.
Bruce.
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Great, I can't wait for a thousand crappy tracks to appear online.
>
>
> They should have left it for use to amateur groups with realism at heart.
>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Oh, get a grip, for Chrissakes, Fran�ois.
You just don't get my meta-point, Bruce. Trust me, herds of NR2003 users,
creating tracks, is hell on earth.
But hey, some of us have discussed, seriously, about such philosophical
points years and years ago. I won't go into that another time, but I must
repeat that imho, public tools for track creation is a bad idea. Just shoot
another one-liner if that's all you can do.
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shoot
> another one-liner if that's all you can do.
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But how else do the tools get into the hands of the odd genius who can
greate the likes of "The Isle of Man", recently released for GPL ?
Sure most people lack the talent necessary for such a creaton but I'd gladly
sift through tons of garbage to find the odd jewel. ;o)
Or am I missing a more subtle point ?
Elrikk
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> >"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Oh, get a grip, for Chrissakes, Fran�ois. > > > You just don't get my meta-point, Bruce. Trust me, herds of NR2003 users, > creating tracks, is hell on earth. > > > But hey, some of us have discussed, seriously, about such philosophical > points years and years ago. I won't go into that another time, but I must > repeat that imho, public tools for track creation is a bad idea. JustOn Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:38:50 -0400, "ymenard"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Great, I can't wait for a thousand crappy tracks to appear online.
For GPL numerous 'crappy' tracks have been released too. But also many
of them are pure gems, better than the original GPL tracks in every
way. The only tracks you see on VROC are these tracks.
I'm extremely happy with the release of these tools and can't wait to
pick out the gems of all the tracks that are going to be released.
Andre
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:19:40 -0400, "ymenard"
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Riight, a lot of tracks to choose from is a Bad Thing?
I thought I had killfiled you years ago. Problem now corrected.
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>>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Oh, get a grip, for Chrissakes, Fran�ois. > > >You just don't get my meta-point, Bruce. Trust me, herds of NR2003 users, >creating tracks, is hell on earth. > >>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote
> For GPL numerous 'crappy' tracks have been released too.
Thankfully, the GPL community <> Nascar community.
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>"A.M.Tronic" <[email hidden]> wrote
> I thought I had killfiled you years ago. Problem now corrected.
Who the fuck are you, lurker?
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>"elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote
> But how else do the tools get into the hands of the odd genius who can
> greate the likes of "The Isle of Man", recently released for GPL ?
You guys never read the posts I write. "They should have left it for use to
amateur groups with realism at heart."
> Or am I missing a more subtle point ?
Yes.
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Hey Frank, ya mean one-liners like these that fueled some responses ?? ;>)
"Great, I can't wait for a thousand crappy tracks to appear online."
and,
"They should have left it for use to amateur groups with realism at heart."
Hell on earth is a bit dramatic. Relax, have a Maudite. I'm buying. It's a
holiday here !
>"GMpartsguy" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Relax, have a Maudite. I'm buying.
Thanks, that was a good and refreshing beer this morning with my Corn Flakes
;)
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"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
>
> You guys never read the posts I write.
No, we just can't understand the posts you write.
> "They should have left it for use to
> amateur groups with realism at heart."
What does that mean? And who gets to decide that?
Amateur level making has been THE foundation of the mod community for years,
ever since Doom. It makes no sense to take that away or to get elitist
about it. If anybody can have it, everybody should be able to have it.
Sometimes people you have never heard of come up with amazing stuff. If
there were a screening process before giving the tools out that would never
happen.
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> Great, I can't wait for a thousand crappy tracks to appear online. > They should have left it for use to amateur groups with realism at heart. > > :-/ > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... >
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> >"elrikk" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > But how else do the tools get into the hands of the odd genius who can
> > greate the likes of "The Isle of Man", recently released for GPL ?
>
>
> You guys never read the posts I write. "They should have left it for useto
And of course you & Papy know now who these great track designers are going
to be even 3-5 years from now. So they should should just allow those on
your "approved for all time" list to get it.
Ok. I get it now.
Elrikk
PS. Nope! Lost it again. Some thoughts must be just too subtle for me.
;o)
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> amateur groups with realism at heart." > > > > > Or am I missing a more subtle point ? > > > Yes. > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World..."DB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > Great, I can't wait for a thousand crappy tracks to appear online.
> > They should have left it for use to amateur groups with realism at heart.
> >
"I posted on the PWF forum about the possibility of that group
creating and releasing updated versions of the Papy tracks. In
addition to adding a high line to the SS tracks they could put in,
say, 3D crowds and make other graphical enhancements. They would have
the advantage of issuing from a quasi official source and could be
adapted seamlessly by leagues and the online community. And they do
great work.
What I see taking shapes are leagues with multiple racing
classifications- cup, gns, cts- following the racing schedule for each
category. Which is why it's mystifying that PWF would take the trouble
to produce a track like Thompson Speedway which is currently
unutilized by any of the three magor classifications. I predict once
the novelty wears off this track, as well done as it is, will see
little racing online. Who races Hillside? The leagues don't. My
preference is for the actual tracks used by the Big 3 polished to the
max. Any thoughts?"
just dont download the track if it is crappy ... you dont have to play it
...
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> >"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I haven't seen any talk of this, but project wildfire released papy's > > track tools today. Hopefully some of the more prominent GPL track > > builders will pick it up. =) > > > Great, I can't wait for a thousand crappy tracks to appear online. > > > They should have left it for use to amateur groups with realism at heart. > > > :-/ > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >And just which omnipotent being determines the chosen from the rejected,
Francois?
The Pope? You? The Queen of Sheba?
As I said: Get a grip.
Bruce.
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> You just don't get my meta-point, Bruce. Trust me, herds of NR2003 users,
> creating tracks, is hell on earth.
>
Demonstrating your awesome command of the English language once again,
Frankie, or simply the fact that you vocabulary of Anglo-Saxon expletives is
right up there with the best of them?
Bruce.
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> Who the fuck are you, lurker?
Now as far as I can determine, what you typed indicates that you feel that
the GPL community is neither greater than nor less than the NASCAR
community?
That right, or is it some secret Masonic symbolism?
Bruce.
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> Thankfully, the GPL community <> Nascar community.
>
elrikk wrote:
> But how else do the tools get into the hands of the odd genius who can
> greate the likes of "The Isle of Man", recently released for GPL ?
Yeah - and, for that matter, could these tools be used to make tracks
for GPL as well?
I mean, if this is an updated version of Papy's older tools... (?)
Regards, Rudy
>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Demonstrating your awesome command of the English language once again,
> Frankie, or simply the fact that you vocabulary of Anglo-Saxon expletivesis
> right up there with the best of them?
"that you vocabulary" ??
FFS Bruce, check your own post before saying such things to me. Hypocrite.
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>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote
> That right, or is it some secret Masonic symbolism?
<> = Different from, not equal.
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>"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote
> just dont download the track if it is crappy ... you dont have to play it
> ...
Another one who doesn't "get it". It's all about the community having some
kind of structure, especially the Nascar multiplayer community (which is as
chaotic as you can ever get).
<sigh>
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No, you're not missing a subtle point. Your point is valid and I agree
100%.
Marc
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users,
> > creating tracks, is hell on earth.
> >
> >
> > But hey, some of us have discussed, seriously, about such philosophical
> > points years and years ago. I won't go into that another time, but Imust
gladly
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> > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Dng4b.7213$[email hidden]... > > > >"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Oh, get a grip, for Chrissakes, Fran�ois. > > > > > > You just don't get my meta-point, Bruce. Trust me, herds of NR2003Quoted text (10 lines)
> > repeat that imho, public tools for track creation is a bad idea. Just > shoot > > another one-liner if that's all you can do. > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > But how else do the tools get into the hands of the odd genius who can > greate the likes of "The Isle of Man", recently released for GPL ? > > Sure most people lack the talent necessary for such a creaton but I'dQuoted text (7 lines)
> sift through tons of garbage to find the odd jewel. ;o) > > Or am I missing a more subtle point ? > > Elrikk > >Ever heard of the term "typographical error", Frankie? (Or , in my case, the
fact that I have to BANG on the 'r' and 'k' keys in order to get them to
register!)
I believe that even the best spell-checkers and dictionaries will accept the
word "you" as being correctly spelt.
Bruce.
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>>
> "that you vocabulary" ??
>
> FFS Bruce, check your own post before saying such things to me.Hypocrite.
Oh, we "get it", orright, Frank.
It's called "freedom to choose"; all about the community having a choice and
I'm sure that even you could put it into operation with some success.
Bruce.
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> Another one who doesn't "get it". It's all about the community havingsome
> kind of structure, especially the Nascar multiplayer community (which isas
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> chaotic as you can ever get). > > > <sigh> > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Oh, we "get it", orright, Frank.
> It's called "freedom to choose"; all about the community having a choiceand
> I'm sure that even you could put it into operation with some success.
I didn't know Bruce was an anarchist. I can stretch it out as much as you
do.
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>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Ever heard of the term "typographical error", Frankie?
Oh stop being an hypocrite. You've, in the past, tried to correct me
numberous times, yet you now feel defensive when it happens to you. Ah, I'm
so sorry.
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That would be a spelling mistake, ymenard, not a vocabulary issue.
What a sin.
Have a nice day.
Mark
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> >"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Demonstrating your awesome command of the English language once again, > > Frankie, or simply the fact that you vocabulary of Anglo-Saxon expletives > is > > right up there with the best of them? > > > "that you vocabulary" ?? > > > FFS Bruce, check your own post before saying such things to me. Hypocrite.Sory, Francous......mea kulpa, mia cullpa, moa colpor.
Brice.
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> Oh stop being an hypocrite. You've, in the past, tried to correct me
> numberous times, yet you now feel defensive when it happens to you. Ah,I'm
> so sorry.
>
Where! Where?
-Larry
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