Kudos To Papy - Patch & Digital Controllers

From the 1.2.0.1 patch: "* When throttle or brake are assigned to a digital control such as a keyboard key or joystick button, traction control and anti-lock brakes can now be disabled." Granted that them adding the ability to disable these aids is probably more related to the "hardcore mode" than anything else. I still gotta thank them, regardless of motivation, for doing this. In one my previous posts I mentioned my complaint about this with NR2003/4, and how I wouldn't be supporting Papy with my purchase. Living up to my word, I retract my complaint and now I'll be more than happy to part with my money to buy a copy. In fact, I'll order a copy from amazon.com within the next few days. Thank you, Papy devs. -Will

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:07:59 -0500, William Bradshaw <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> From the 1.2.0.1 patch: > >"* When throttle or brake are assigned to a digital control such as a >keyboard key or joystick button, traction control and anti-lock brakes >can now be disabled." > >Granted that them adding the ability to disable these aids is probably >more related to the "hardcore mode" than anything else. I still gotta >thank them, regardless of motivation, for doing this. > >In one my previous posts I mentioned my complaint about this with >NR2003/4, and how I wouldn't be supporting Papy with my purchase. Living >up to my word, I retract my complaint and now I'll be more than happy to >part with my money to buy a copy. In fact, I'll order a copy from >amazon.com within the next few days. > >Thank you, Papy devs. > >-Will

The problem is there is too much hysteresis. When you disable traction control there is no way to control the car if the rear wheels should break traction. If they do so, even if you release the button at that same instant the power stays on and a spinout occurs. You have to drive the car in anticipation of breaking traction every second.

William Bradshaw wrote: > From the 1.2.0.1 patch:<SNIP> Update: I just placed my order for NR2003. With any luck it should arrive within a week. :) -Will

"William Bradshaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> William Bradshaw wrote: > > > From the 1.2.0.1 patch: > <SNIP> > > Update: I just placed my order for NR2003. With any luck it should > arrive within a week. :) > > -Will >

If you're driving with a digital controller or keyboard then you were never the target market for this product and your money wasn't missed. ;) -- Joe M.

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> > The problem is there is too much hysteresis. When you disable > traction control there is no way to control the car if the rear wheels > should break traction. If they do so, even if you release the button > at that same instant the power stays on and a spinout occurs. You > have to drive the car in anticipation of breaking traction every > second. > >

I usually have two methods to handle that situation: 1. Either have the gears set a little higher than the default setup, or keep the car one gear higher until it's time to apply throttle. I've been making it a habit of driving most tracks so I have less acceleration, yet still have a decent top-end speed. 2. Clickity-clickity-clickity in the turns. :) This involves repeatedly clicking the accel button so I'm not as likely to spin the tires. Of course this is directly tied to #1. -Will

ANYONE who wants decent playability with a driving sim does not use a digital control for steering or gas/brake....it just makes for lousy gameplay. "William Bradshaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> From the 1.2.0.1 patch: > > "* When throttle or brake are assigned to a digital control such as a > keyboard key or joystick button, traction control and anti-lock brakes > can now be disabled." > > Granted that them adding the ability to disable these aids is probably > more related to the "hardcore mode" than anything else. I still gotta > thank them, regardless of motivation, for doing this. > > In one my previous posts I mentioned my complaint about this with > NR2003/4, and how I wouldn't be supporting Papy with my purchase. Living > up to my word, I retract my complaint and now I'll be more than happy to > part with my money to buy a copy. In fact, I'll order a copy from > amazon.com within the next few days. > > Thank you, Papy devs. > > -Will >

Joe M. wrote: > > If you're driving with a digital controller or keyboard then you were never > the target market for this product and your money wasn't missed. ;) > That's really a true statement (even though I also own NR2002). At one time I did have a wheel, but since it's been broken I've had to use a joystick. But now that they're letting users turn off those aids, I'll gladly spend the money...even if Papy doesn't care. It's the thought that counts, IMO. ;) What it comes down to is that I've gotten a ton of enjoyment out of the NASCAR Racing series, despite not always having a wheel. And now, unlike before, I have no reason to not buy the game. -Will

William Bradshaw wrote:

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> William Bradshaw wrote: > >> From the 1.2.0.1 patch: > > <SNIP> > > Update: I just placed my order for NR2003. With any luck it should > arrive within a week. :) > > -Will >

I'm so glad. Why not go mad and order a wheel and pedals too? -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

Biz wrote: > ANYONE who wants decent playability with a driving sim does not use a > digital control for steering or gas/brake....it just makes for lousy > gameplay. *laughs* I have more than decent playability using digital controls for accel/brake. NR2002 - decent LFS - great NT2003 - great NASCAR Heat - great DTR2 - great Mafia (the driving aspect) - great It's just a case where a person needs to get used to using digital controls. NR2002 was the only game where I ran into limitations of what I could do. I think as long as a driver is able to keep up with the field and is safe, then it shouldn't matter what controller s/he is using. -Will

Gerry Aitken wrote: > > I'm so glad. Why not go mad and order a wheel and pedals too? > Not enough money to spend on a good wheel right now. I'll see how things pan out around Christmas, though. With $20 to spare, I purchased NR2003. -Will

>"William Bradshaw" <[email hidden]> wrote > Not enough money to spend on a good wheel right now. I'll see how things > pan out around Christmas, though. With $20 to spare, I purchased NR2003. There are good wheels under 50$, btw ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:20:17 GMT, "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote: >ANYONE who wants decent playability with a driving sim does not use a >digital control for steering or gas/brake....it just makes for lousy >gameplay. Actually, there are those who don't have a choice.

"William Bradshaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> *laughs* I have more than decent playability using digital controls for > accel/brake. > > NR2002 - decent > LFS - great > NT2003 - great > NASCAR Heat - great > DTR2 - great > Mafia (the driving aspect) - great > > It's just a case where a person needs to get used to using digital > controls. NR2002 was the only game where I ran into limitations of what > I could do. > > I think as long as a driver is able to keep up with the field and is > safe, then it shouldn't matter what controller s/he is using. > > -Will >

Except that gamepad users and users other digital controls are the same halfwits that swerve all over the track and cause the wrecks. YOu just buy a $20 analog joystick and you can solve all your problems.

In article <[email hidden]>, Fan1 <[email hidden]> writes: >You >have to drive the car in anticipation of breaking traction every >second. > I do that even using a wheel and pedals... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <l6Ggb.172347$[email hidden]>, "Biz" <[email hidden]> writes: >ANYONE who wants decent playability with a driving sim does not use a >digital control for steering or gas/brake....it just makes for lousy >gameplay. Maybe, but I can admire the man's integrity in retracting his previous complaint. That's a totally separate issue from gameplay...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Why would you not get a controller that works? crap man... your really missing out, what your putting yourself through, would be like trying to roller-skate by duct taping big Tonka Dump-trucks to your leg, IMHO "William Bradshaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Fan1 wrote:

Like they said, I got me a MS FF for 30 bucks + ship of what 8 bucks, (USB version). damn near indestructible... course now that MS dropped them from being made, might be a run on them... Hmmm. "William Bradshaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Gerry Aitken wrote: > > > > I'm so glad. Why not go mad and order a wheel and pedals too? > > > > Not enough money to spend on a good wheel right now. I'll see how things > pan out around Christmas, though. With $20 to spare, I purchased NR2003. > > -Will >

Dont have a choice? what you in China? "T. Wortman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:20:17 GMT, "Biz" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >ANYONE who wants decent playability with a driving sim does not use a > >digital control for steering or gas/brake....it just makes for lousy > >gameplay. > > Actually, there are those who don't have a choice.

"Sting32" <Plowboy is Stingre.AT.y!> wrote in message news:3f85bfd6$[email hidden]... > Dont have a choice? what you in China? Laptop players perhaps - although i think i'd add a analog gamepad at least :)

In article <bm4574$qio$[email hidden]>, "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> writes: >"Sting32" <Plowboy is Stingre.AT.y!> wrote in message >news:3f85bfd6$[email hidden]... >> Dont have a choice? what you in China? > >Laptop players perhaps - although i think i'd add a analog gamepad at least >:) Or maybe some just don't have the MONEY to buy the controller... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.