NR2003 How to lose $150.00 and 25 fps

Remove the GF Ti200 and install an ATI Radeon 9600 pro. Piece of shit. Specs are Sony Vaio 1.7 Pentium..512 meg ram..9600 pro.Win XP home. Anybody with near this combo with any advice? I went from 40-65 fps to 25-50 as low as 19. OGL slower than D3d. Dan

[email hidden] (Bamadano) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Remove the GF Ti200 and install an ATI Radeon 9600 pro. Piece of shit. > Specs are Sony Vaio 1.7 Pentium..512 meg ram..9600 pro.Win XP home. > Anybody with near this combo with any advice? I went from 40-65 fps to > 25-50 as low as 19. OGL slower than D3d. > Dan > These new ati cards..the 95/9600 and 97/9800 video cards need a newer motherboard to work properly. We just yanked out an old Asus mb out of my son's box(he has an ati 9500 pro) and put an 8xagp capable Abit Nforce2 motherboard. Now it's faster and the plethora of graphic errors he had are gone...big difference. I wonder what kind of mb sony uses in the Vaio's? Plus you should take extra care to make sure all your old nvidia drivers are banished from your system. search for nv*.* and erase or rename those. There are a couple of programs that also hunt down stray nvidia files...one for win98 is Detonator Destroyer. I don't know if there are any newer versions for XP systems. Finally dig into your video properties and make sure VSYNC is disabled and your smoothvision is not set very high and your anistrophic filtering is reduced. you can mess with the video properties to choose performance over quality...experiment. dave henrie

"Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Remove the GF Ti200 and install an ATI Radeon 9600 pro. Piece of shit.Specs > are Sony Vaio 1.7 Pentium..512 meg ram..9600 pro.Win XP home. Anybody withnear > this combo with any advice? I went from 40-65 fps to 25-50 as low as 19.OGL > slower than D3d. > DanBam, I had a very similar experience when I finally added the last piece to my puter, an ATI9800 Pro, to replace the aging Ti4200 128m .After uninstalling the Nvidia drivers and the card, rebooting, installing new card and it's drivers, and rebooting, ...........nothing. Just black screen. Uninstall/Re-install, same black screen.....now I'm worried. The stories I've heard about having to remove any trace of Nvidia drivers must be true, I had to start in safe mode, do a system restore to get my puter back, remove the ATI drivers , remove any trace of Nvidia from the registry (I'm not at all comfortable fooling around in there) and finally, after many reboots and such, the latest driver.......3.7 at the time......installed and worked and I was able to see improvement in the fps dept. I've since loaded the 3.8 Catalyst drivers and they seemed to show an improvement in Nascar2003 and America's Army, the 2 games I play most, they look great and I get great frames, but the initial install caused me to smile a little funny for a while. Especially since the 9800 was $300+ dollars for me. Good luck tweaking, Ed

Thanks for the replys gents. I had intended to run detonator destroyer that I had but no go on XP. Guru3d has one called detonator RIP but the page times out. I'm not at all comfortable fooling with the registry either Ed. When I searched nv*.* Dave ...there must be 60.dll's from nvdia there. What happens if I delete them? Anybody know of a destroyer type program for XP? Probably wont matter because I'l probably throw this box against the wall n disgust :( Dan

Whenever I get a new piece of hardware.. (vid card, sound, etc). I always use it as an excuse to do a complete fresh install of the OS... I don't want to take my chances with having left over drivers screwing me around, etc. Plus, a new install of the OS definately helps for performance and a lot of other stuff. At the same time, I've heard a lot of complaints about Sony computers.. From what I've read, they seem to skim on certain components so they can have good specs on other components. A crude example would be shit everything, and fast processor. Then they advertise it as "Sony computer.. 3.2GHz" and people just see the 3.2.. and they're overpriced as hell. Do yourself a favour next time, and build your own system to the specs YOU want. Put that vidcard into a decent computer, freshly installed OS and I guarantee you won't be complaining about framerate.. at least until a few new games come out :) Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Remove the GF Ti200 and install an ATI Radeon 9600 pro. Piece of shit.Specs > are Sony Vaio 1.7 Pentium..512 meg ram..9600 pro.Win XP home. Anybody withnear > this combo with any advice? I went from 40-65 fps to 25-50 as low as 19.OGL > slower than D3d. > Dan

Hi Dan, D3D is faster than OGL with the ATI cards, but I think the D3D graphics are also nicer in N2k3 than the OGL, so it's not a loss to switch to D3D. Regarding the fps difference. First of all - what the others said. You've probably got to clean out your Nvidia files, and maybe your mobo or even the CPU really limit the ATI. ATI needs powerful CPUs. I also wouldn't expect too much of an fps increase when comparing the two cards at identical settings. When I switched from a GF4-4600 to a Radeon 9700Pro, the Ati wasn't much faster at the same settings. But, I could increase the resolution one notch, I could set 4xFSAA instead of two, and 8xAniso instead of 4x, and the image looked much nice than with the GF4, and I still got the same fps. That for me was the main advantage of the Radeon. Achim "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Remove the GF Ti200 and install an ATI Radeon 9600 pro. Piece of shit.Specs > are Sony Vaio 1.7 Pentium..512 meg ram..9600 pro.Win XP home. Anybody withnear > this combo with any advice? I went from 40-65 fps to 25-50 as low as 19.OGL > slower than D3d. > Dan

Bamadano wrote: > Remove the GF Ti200 and install an ATI Radeon 9600 pro. Piece of shit. Specs > are Sony Vaio 1.7 Pentium..512 meg ram..9600 pro.Win XP home. Anybody with near > this combo with any advice? I went from 40-65 fps to 25-50 as low as 19. OGL > slower than D3d. > Dan You call the Radeon a 'piece of shit' but really and truly the sony is the stinking turd in the drinking water. Putting a Radeon pro with a 1.7gig cpu is a bit of a mismatch. I'd go back to basics and consider building a new system around the radeon. You might be able to use some of the parts from the sony...most likely just the case. -- Gerry Aitken ...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter 6, verse 16 This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

> I'd go back to basics and consider building a new system around the > radeon. You might be able to use some of the parts from the sony...most > likely just the case. A low-end Athlon64 cpu+mobo is only $600, or $300 for Barton2500+mobo+big heatsink. They prolly won't fit in a vaio tho :) rms

I just bought a 2500+ Barton, Asus A7V8X-X motherboard, 512mb pc2700 ram and case for $259. Added my crappy sound blaster card and a G4 4200ti and I'm rolling pretty good. Just a thought. 87RedVette "rms" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:28Yib.16406$[email hidden]...

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> > I'd go back to basics and consider building a new system around the > > radeon. You might be able to use some of the parts from the sony...most > > likely just the case. > > A low-end Athlon64 cpu+mobo is only $600, or $300 for > Barton2500+mobo+big heatsink. They prolly won't fit in a vaio tho :) > > rms > >

Actually I was calling the whole box a piece of shit :) Ya'll may be right about Sony..the Maxtor hard drive crashed about 6 months ago. Believe me..if I had the skills I WOULD build a new one. I can do (or used to could) the small stuff like hardware swap but always used Nvidia cards and detonator destroyer. But DD wont work with XP. Finally got Detonator RIP to DL but it hasnt made any difference...as a matter of fact when searching nv*.* as Dave suggested it finds about 60 .dll's. All I have are recovery disks which worked fine when the HD crashed but I dont want to lose everything again. Getting ready to just say F'it and chunk the whole rig in the bin. :( Dan

Dan, have you deinstalled the Nvidia stuff using Window's own deinstaller in the Configuration Panel? If not, try that. After that is done, you might also try and start up your system in safe mode, go into the device manager, and check whether there's still any Nvidia graphics card listed, and delete that as well. Safe mode sometimes shows devices which aren't shown in normal mode, hence the safe mode startup. Achim "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Actually I was calling the whole box a piece of shit :) Ya'll may be right > about Sony..the Maxtor hard drive crashed about 6 months ago. Believeme..if I > had the skills I WOULD build a new one. I can do (or used to could) thesmall > stuff like hardware swap but always used Nvidia cards and detonatordestroyer. > But DD wont work with XP. Finally got Detonator RIP to DL but it hasntmade any > difference...as a matter of fact when searching nv*.* as Dave suggested it > finds about 60 .dll's. All I have are recovery disks which worked finewhen the > HD crashed but I dont want to lose everything again. Getting ready to justsay > F'it and chunk the whole rig in the bin. :( > Dan

>Dan, have you deinstalled the Nvidia stuff using Window's own deinstaller in >the Configuration Panel? If not, try that. Yes I've done that Achim. I'll try the safe mode check when I get home from work tonight. Thanks for the suggestions. Dan

I also made the exact same switch as you. I was disappointed in the lack of improvement in framerates, but after fiddling with the card and tweaking the settings, I saw about a 15% increase. The quality of the image though is what I like the best about the ATI card. I would think jumping from a Ti200 to a ATI9600 would be a pretty good improvement. When I went from my Ti500 to my Ti4600, my frames almost doubled. Glen "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bmir1j$mv236$[email hidden]... > Hi Dan, > > D3D is faster than OGL with the ATI cards, but I think the D3D graphicsare > also nicer in N2k3 than the OGL, so it's not a loss to switch to D3D. > > Regarding the fps difference. First of all - what the others said. You've > probably got to clean out your Nvidia files, and maybe your mobo or eventhe

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> CPU really limit the ATI. ATI needs powerful CPUs. > > I also wouldn't expect too much of an fps increase when comparing the two > cards at identical settings. When I switched from a GF4-4600 to a Radeon > 9700Pro, the Ati wasn't much faster at the same settings. But, I could > increase the resolution one notch, I could set 4xFSAA instead of two, and > 8xAniso instead of 4x, and the image looked much nice than with the GF4,

and > I still got the same fps. That for me was the main advantage of theRadeon.

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> > Achim > > > "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Remove the GF Ti200 and install an ATI Radeon 9600 pro. Piece of shit. > Specs > > are Sony Vaio 1.7 Pentium..512 meg ram..9600 pro.Win XP home. Anybody

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> near > > this combo with any advice? I went from 40-65 fps to 25-50 as low as 19. > OGL > > slower than D3d. > > Dan > >

http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/ Driver Cleaner is supposed to work in XP but I haven't tried it yet. Don "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Actually I was calling the whole box a piece of shit :) Ya'll may be right > about Sony..the Maxtor hard drive crashed about 6 months ago. Believeme..if I > had the skills I WOULD build a new one. I can do (or used to could) thesmall > stuff like hardware swap but always used Nvidia cards and detonatordestroyer. > But DD wont work with XP. Finally got Detonator RIP to DL but it hasntmade any > difference...as a matter of fact when searching nv*.* as Dave suggested it > finds about 60 .dll's. All I have are recovery disks which worked finewhen the > HD crashed but I dont want to lose everything again. Getting ready to justsay > F'it and chunk the whole rig in the bin. :( > Dan

>Driver Cleaner is supposed to work in XP but I haven't tried it yet. >Don Thanks Don. It said it removed some nvidia stuff. Still see a bunch of dll though. Dan

Thanks Glen...could you share the settings that you are using? Anything in particular that made a difference. Dan

"Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Actually I was calling the whole box a piece of shit :) Ya'll may be right > about Sony..the Maxtor hard drive crashed about 6 months ago. Believeme..if I > had the skills I WOULD build a new one. I can do (or used to could) thesmall > stuff like hardware swap but always used Nvidia cards and detonatordestroyer. > But DD wont work with XP. Finally got Detonator RIP to DL but it hasntmade any > difference...as a matter of fact when searching nv*.* as Dave suggested it > finds about 60 .dll's. All I have are recovery disks which worked finewhen the > HD crashed but I dont want to lose everything again. Getting ready to justsay > F'it and chunk the whole rig in the bin. :( > Dan It's not that hard to do. If you can install a vid card, you can build a new box. Get a new motherboard and CPU/HSF, maybe new ram, a new case with a good power supply, you can probably use your drives you have now. Put it all together, fresh install of Windows, and you'll be rocking. The motherboard will come with a manual that will be very helpful. The trickest part will be installing the HSF on the CPU. Look at newegg.com for parts. bluestringer

"bluestringer" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:PmEjb.6092$[email hidden]: > l. The trickest part will be > installing the HSF on the CPU. Look at newegg.com for parts. > Monarch computers(a mailorder company) will install the cpu/heatsink and test it then ship it already assembled. I ordered some stuff for my son and was disappointed when only one box was inside the shipping carton. Then when I hefted said box...a big smile spread. His system is running at idle 12 to 14c less than mine when I have a h/s, room airconditioner and box fan blowing in. Stressed it stays a good 10c below mine without a hint of heat problems...guess where I'm going back to soon.... dave henrie

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Bamadano) writes: >Getting ready to just say >F'it and chunk the whole rig in the bin. :( If you do, *I'll* take it...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Too late Eldred. I asked first. :) grub "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Bamadano) writes: > > >Getting ready to just say > >F'it and chunk the whole rig in the bin. :( > > If you do, *I'll* take it...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Member > Screamers Racing League > IICC League > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "grub" <[email hidden]> writes: >Too late Eldred. I asked first. >:) > >grub > But he already has *my* address...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Crap. I thought I had all the bases covered. ;( grub "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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