N3 and ATI Rage Pro Turbo

Seems to me I recall seeing something about N3 having problems with this video card/chip. Is there a way to fix this (drivers, patch, etc) or is a new vid card in order? This is in an e machines 466id tower - which has the above video "onboard". Has anyone had any luck disabling onboard video and installing a separate vid card - ie vodoo2 or tnt. Thanks in advance

>Seems to me I recall seeing something about N3 having problems with this >video card/chip. Is there a way to fix this (drivers, patch, etc) or is a >new vid card in order? That's right, Nascar 3 does not support the ATI Rage Pro, which is a damned shame because so many of us have it. Updated drivers may help it work in the future, but right now I'm not sure any have fixed this problem. Neo

It does appear that Pappy is not too concerned about this problem. I wish I could feel the same way! Even as I am typing this I'm thinking about which video card I should buy so that I can use N3 and GPL. I hope that they don't come out with any new titles too soon as my hardware budget can't take much more! Ed > >Seems to me I recall seeing something about N3 having problems with this > >video card/chip. Is there a way to fix this (drivers, patch, etc) or is a

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> >new vid card in order? > That's right, Nascar 3 does not support the ATI Rage Pro, which is a > damned shame because so many of us have it. Updated drivers may help > it work in the future, but right now I'm not sure any have fixed this > problem. > Neo

That is a very simple answer. If GPL and N3 are your current focus, then the ONLY CHOICE should be a 3dfx card. They are relatively cheap and offer the BEST COMPATIBLITY WITH GPL. and work just fine speedwise for N3. Plus the converted Indycar2/Cart Racing tracks seem to only work with 3dfx systems. If you ever plan on turning right in N3, then once again 3dfx is the way to go. There are plenty of other reasons to choose an Nvidia card, for QuakeIII and many new games, but for GPL and most of the Papy family of sims, 3dfx is still the best choice.

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> It does appear that Pappy is not too concerned about this problem. I wish I > could feel the same way! Even as I am typing this I'm thinking about which > video card I should buy so that I can use N3 and GPL. I hope that they don't > come out with any new titles too soon as my hardware budget can't take much > more! > Ed > > >Seems to me I recall seeing something about N3 having problems with this > > >video card/chip. Is there a way to fix this (drivers, patch, etc) or is > a > > >new vid card in order? > > That's right, Nascar 3 does not support the ATI Rage Pro, which is a > > damned shame because so many of us have it. Updated drivers may help > > it work in the future, but right now I'm not sure any have fixed this > > problem. > > Neo

On Tue, 08 Feb 2000 02:17:36 GMT, "Ed Carpenter" >It does appear that Pappy is not too concerned about this problem. I wish I >could feel the same way! Even as I am typing this I'm thinking about which >video card I should buy so that I can use N3 and GPL. I hope that they don't >come out with any new titles too soon as my hardware budget can't take much >more! If that's the case, a 3Dfx card might be best for you, as it supports the largest range of API's. They're also not too expensive. Remember that the Voodoo 4, 5 and 6 will be arriving shortly. Visit www.3dfx.com for more information on 3Dfx products. Neo

I finally gave up and simply removed by ATI Rage card, and installed a VooDoo 3, I was not dissapointed with the results. WarriorSpirit <http://www.angelfire.com/pa/WarriorSpirit/index.html>

NOT TIOO EXPENSIVE???....unless I want to throw out the built in TV tuner I have with the All-In-Wonder Pro which means a Voodoo 3500 at least and the cost of the ATI being dumped...... PAPPY Get with it!!!!!! (Don't use NO***in E-mail) You think in the storm we've found the eye of the calm.....Bill Mallonnee, Vigilantes Of Love

Just to chime in on the topic, i have the ATI Xpert 2000, which uses the Rage 128 chipset and N3 and GPL work fine, the frame rate sometimes isnt great but they do work. jim On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 08:33:18 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Doug Bishop Jackson Mich wrote: >> >> NOT TIOO EXPENSIVE???....unless I want to throw out the built in TV tuner I >> have with the All-In-Wonder Pro which means a Voodoo 3500 at least and the cost >> of the ATI being dumped...... > >I haven't read all of this thread so someone might already have >suggested this, but if you're fairly happy with the ATI card for >whatever you are using it for, why not buy a new or 2nd hand V2 (or 2 >:-) to run alongside the ATI card, they can be had for less than 50$ >these days I think, best of both worlds, and I really wish 3Dfx would >make a 3D only card again.... > >> PAPPY Get with it!!!!!! > >There's a thought, Papy has a strange way of dealing with video cards, >just about any other game will happily run on a ATI Rage PRO card in D3D >without any problems, yet Papy's sims won't.... > >(un)Fortunately I need my GPL fix every now and then, so I've resigned >to the fact that I need some kind of 3Dfx card in my puter at all times, >that keeps my all my Papy sims going and that's what matters to me.. > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy

>Subject: Re: N3 and ATI Rage Pro Turbo >From: Goy Larsen [email hidden] >Date: 02/09/2000 2:33 AM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> >wrote......snip>

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>I haven't read all of this thread so someone might already have >suggested this, but if you're fairly happy with the ATI card for >whatever you are using it for, why not buy a new or 2nd hand V2 (or 2 >:-) to run alongside the ATI card, they can be had for less than 50$ >these days I think, best of both worlds, and I really wish 3Dfx would >make a 3D only card again.... >

So inform this illiterate.....what do I do to make 2 card work together??? Are you saying I can buy a 2nd card to run in the same system? And which one do I plug the monitor into? Does this require some kind of dual config and rebooting to swich adaptors? (Don't use NOCRAP in E-mail) You think in the storm we've found the eye of the calm.....Bill Mallonnee, Vigilantes Of Love

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>Subject: Re: N3 and ATI Rage Pro Turbo >From: Jimbo [email hidden] >Date: 02/09/2000 2:40 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > >Just to chime in on the topic, i have the ATI Xpert 2000, which uses >the Rage 128 chipset and N3 and GPL work fine, the frame rate >sometimes isnt great but they do work. > >jim

Again the question is "IN 3D???

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> > >On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 08:33:18 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Doug Bishop Jackson Mich wrote: >>> >>> NOT TIOO EXPENSIVE???....unless I want to throw out the built in TV tuner >I >>> have with the All-In-Wonder Pro which means a Voodoo 3500 at least and the >cost >>> of the ATI being dumped...... >> >>I haven't read all of this thread so someone might already have >>suggested this, but if you're fairly happy with the ATI card for >>whatever you are using it for, why not buy a new or 2nd hand V2 (or 2 >>:-) to run alongside the ATI card, they can be had for less than 50$ >>these days I think, best of both worlds, and I really wish 3Dfx would >>make a 3D only card again.... >> >>> PAPPY Get with it!!!!!! >> >>There's a thought, Papy has a strange way of dealing with video cards, >>just about any other game will happily run on a ATI Rage PRO card in D3D >>without any problems, yet Papy's sims won't.... >> >>(un)Fortunately I need my GPL fix every now and then, so I've resigned >>to the fact that I need some kind of 3Dfx card in my puter at all times, >>that keeps my all my Papy sims going and that's what matters to me.. >> >>Beers and cheers >>(uncle) Goy > > > > > > >

(Don't use NOCRAP in E-mail) You think in the storm we've found the eye of the calm.....Bill Mallonnee, Vigilantes Of Love

Yes you're right, I hadn't thought of that. Voodoo 2 here..

Has anyone had any luck disabling onboard video and installing a separate vid card - ie vodoo2 or tnt. >>>>.Yup. dumped my ati for a V32000. worked great. Rik Anthrax - - "trust the government?? what are you, some kind of moron?"

On 08 Feb 2000 21:38:06 GMT, [email hidden] (Doug Bishop Jackson Mich) wrote: >NOT TIOO EXPENSIVE???....unless I want to throw out the built in TV tuner I >have with the All-In-Wonder Pro which means a Voodoo 3500 at least and the cost >of the ATI being dumped...... The cost of 3Dfx cards can range from �70 to �700, depending on what you want and when. >PAPPY Get with it!!!!!! What do you have against Papyrus? They were absolutely right to dump Rendition cards and use D3D and Glide in their latest products. Most computers come with a good 3D accelerator these days, and if you have one which didn't you can always buy and install a 3D card yourself. Neo

Doug Bishop Jackson Mich wrote: > > NOT TIOO EXPENSIVE???....unless I want to throw out the built in TV tuner I > have with the All-In-Wonder Pro which means a Voodoo 3500 at least and the cost > of the ATI being dumped...... I haven't read all of this thread so someone might already have suggested this, but if you're fairly happy with the ATI card for whatever you are using it for, why not buy a new or 2nd hand V2 (or 2 :-) to run alongside the ATI card, they can be had for less than 50$ these days I think, best of both worlds, and I really wish 3Dfx would make a 3D only card again.... > PAPPY Get with it!!!!!! There's a thought, Papy has a strange way of dealing with video cards, just about any other game will happily run on a ATI Rage PRO card in D3D without any problems, yet Papy's sims won't.... (un)Fortunately I need my GPL fix every now and then, so I've resigned to the fact that I need some kind of 3Dfx card in my puter at all times, that keeps my all my Papy sims going and that's what matters to me.. Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

Yes in 3d using Direct 3d in N3 and using the beta opengl patch from papy in GPL.

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>>Subject: Re: N3 and ATI Rage Pro Turbo >>Date: 02/09/2000 2:40 PM Eastern Standard Time >>Just to chime in on the topic, i have the ATI Xpert 2000, which uses >>the Rage 128 chipset and N3 and GPL work fine, the frame rate >>sometimes isnt great but they do work. >>jim >Again the question is "IN 3D??? >>>> NOT TIOO EXPENSIVE???....unless I want to throw out the built in TV tuner >>I >>>> have with the All-In-Wonder Pro which means a Voodoo 3500 at least and the >>cost >>>> of the ATI being dumped...... >>>I haven't read all of this thread so someone might already have >>>suggested this, but if you're fairly happy with the ATI card for >>>whatever you are using it for, why not buy a new or 2nd hand V2 (or 2 >>>:-) to run alongside the ATI card, they can be had for less than 50$ >>>these days I think, best of both worlds, and I really wish 3Dfx would >>>make a 3D only card again.... >>>> PAPPY Get with it!!!!!! >>>There's a thought, Papy has a strange way of dealing with video cards, >>>just about any other game will happily run on a ATI Rage PRO card in D3D >>>without any problems, yet Papy's sims won't.... >>>(un)Fortunately I need my GPL fix every now and then, so I've resigned >>>to the fact that I need some kind of 3Dfx card in my puter at all times, >>>that keeps my all my Papy sims going and that's what matters to me.. >>>Beers and cheers >>>(uncle) Goy >(Don't use NO***in E-mail) >You think in the storm we've found the eye of the calm.....Bill Mallonnee, >Vigilantes Of Love

There are drivers that are said to work by many ppl at www.rageon.com They are the special purpose Q3 UNSUPPORTED drivers. Ppl say the groove is too dark but they work. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

It's very easy actually, the 3Dfx Voodoo1 and Voodoo2 cards are something as rare as a dedicated 3D card, it has no 2D function at all, and as such will sit happily next to just about any video card you may have in your computer, there was some issues with some S3 cards at one point, but you needn't worry about that So no need for special configs or anything, just plug it in, put the pass-through cable from your existing vid card to the V2 card (the V1 is really not up to the task any more) and plug the monitor in the V2 card, install the drivers and you have the best of both worlds, you can even use to V2 cards together to get even better speed, cool solution eh, too bad 3Dfx dropped it Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

They didnt drop it. They still make them. Called voodoo2-1000 I think. > > So inform this illiterate.....what do I do to make 2 card work together??? > > Are you saying I can buy a 2nd card to run in the same system? > > And which one do I plug the monitor into? > > Does this require some kind of dual config and rebooting to swich adaptors? > It's very easy actually, the 3Dfx Voodoo1 and Voodoo2 cards are > something as rare as a dedicated 3D card, it has no 2D function at all, > and as such will sit happily next to just about any video card you may > have in your computer, there was some issues with some S3 cards at one > point, but you needn't worry about that > So no need for special configs or anything, just plug it in, put the > pass-through cable from your existing vid card to the V2 card (the V1 is > really not up to the task any more) and plug the monitor in the V2 card, > install the drivers and you have the best of both worlds, you can even > use to V2 cards together to get even better speed, cool solution eh, too > bad 3Dfx dropped it > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

> They didnt drop it. They still make them. Called voodoo2-1000 I think. Correct, but they dropped it for the next generation of cards, as much as I loved my V2's, there are cards out today that outperforms them in a fairly big way I wish they would have made a V3 version in 3D only, I have a V3 3500 now, but I'm looking to replace that with......something, but I also need a 3Dfx card of some sort for GPL, so I'm looking for a Quantum Obsidian to go alongside whatever I choose, I don't have room for a SLI setup anymore... The V1/2 cards was an excellent choice for those with "onboard" graphics cards as well, so easy to add to whatever you ran before, and they sold tons of them, hard to understand why they didn't keep this alongside their 2d/3d range of cards Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

How would a Voodoo 1 card perform in GPL in a PIII 600, 128MB system?? I have an NVIDIA TNT2 32MB card in this but was wondering if it would be worth trying my very first 3DFX card in it just for GPL. Haven't been able to find a Voodoo 2 card over here in the UK to sit alongsode it. I am more than happy with the TNT2 but would just like to compare it's performance with the Voodoo. Peter Hooper > > So inform this illiterate.....what do I do to make 2 card work together??? > > Are you saying I can buy a 2nd card to run in the same system? > > And which one do I plug the monitor into? > > Does this require some kind of dual config and rebooting to swich adaptors?

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> It's very easy actually, the 3Dfx Voodoo1 and Voodoo2 cards are > something as rare as a dedicated 3D card, it has no 2D function at all, > and as such will sit happily next to just about any video card you may > have in your computer, there was some issues with some S3 cards at one > point, but you needn't worry about that > So no need for special configs or anything, just plug it in, put the > pass-through cable from your existing vid card to the V2 card (the V1 is > really not up to the task any more) and plug the monitor in the V2 card, > install the drivers and you have the best of both worlds, you can even > use to V2 cards together to get even better speed, cool solution eh, too > bad 3Dfx dropped it > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy