West Racing update

Hi, Just checked out www.west-racing.com to read the new update, and I can't believe just how many times they can flip from amazing to moronic. They come along and announce the racing sim to end all racing sims - yay! They disappear for half a year - d'oh! They come back with a fantastic update showing the work they've done in the engine design, which I've seen before but not in a game - yay! They spend a month making a perfectly realistic model of a f***ing bus - d'oh! At the end of the day, who cares what the paddock looks like, whether they have a nice screen font or if you can replace the fan belt on your crappy team bus when it breaks down. We want legendary racing cars on legendary race tracks. Give us the 49 at Brands in a rolling demo and we'll love you, code physically perfect yellow flags fluttering in the breeze and we'll give up waiting. Oh wait, I know what they'll be modelling next, the MP4/18...

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>They spend a month making a perfectly realistic model of a f***ing bus >- d'oh! > >At the end of the day, who cares what the paddock looks like, whether >they have a nice screen font or if you can replace the fan belt on >your crappy team bus when it breaks down. We want legendary racing >cars on legendary race tracks. Give us the 49 at Brands in a rolling >demo and we'll love you, code physically perfect yellow flags >fluttering in the breeze and we'll give up waiting.

I'm starting to think that it's all just a Psych 101 experiment. Someone is just trying to see the reactions of the hardcore racing sim fans. Nobody could POSSIBLY be stupid enough to think that a fully-modelled race transporter is what everyone wants... Ponderous...fucking ponderous... - Casey Kasem Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Now, each time i will have West Racing in mind, i will lauch GPL instead of looking at their site. Better way to spend my time. the last update don't even makes me laugh. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >They spend a month making a perfectly realistic model of a f***ing bus > >- d'oh! > > > >At the end of the day, who cares what the paddock looks like, whether > >they have a nice screen font or if you can replace the fan belt on > >your crappy team bus when it breaks down. We want legendary racing > >cars on legendary race tracks. Give us the 49 at Brands in a rolling > >demo and we'll love you, code physically perfect yellow flags > >fluttering in the breeze and we'll give up waiting. > > I'm starting to think that it's all just a Psych 101 experiment. Someone

is > just trying to see the reactions of the hardcore racing sim fans. Nobodycould > POSSIBLY be stupid enough to think that a fully-modelled race transporteris

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> what everyone wants... > > Ponderous...fucking ponderous... - Casey Kasem > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Member > Screamers Racing League > IICC League > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >Nobody could > POSSIBLY be stupid enough to think that a fully-modelled race transporteris > what everyone wants... And nobody could possibly be stupid enough to think that RL is for everyone. Thus, what everyone wants is unimportant Doug

All that and the cat is still dead. "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi, > > Just checked out www.west-racing.com to read the new update, and I > can't believe just how many times they can flip from amazing to > moronic. > > They come along and announce the racing sim to end all racing sims - > yay! > > They disappear for half a year - d'oh! > > They come back with a fantastic update showing the work they've done > in the engine design, which I've seen before but not in a game - yay! > > They spend a month making a perfectly realistic model of a f***ing bus > - d'oh! > > At the end of the day, who cares what the paddock looks like, whether > they have a nice screen font or if you can replace the fan belt on > your crappy team bus when it breaks down. We want legendary racing > cars on legendary race tracks. Give us the 49 at Brands in a rolling > demo and we'll love you, code physically perfect yellow flags > fluttering in the breeze and we'll give up waiting. > > Oh wait, I know what they'll be modelling next, the MP4/18...

With the pricing they're aiming for, I don't find it absurd at all to diligently pay minute attention to the trackside and paddock stuff. AAMOF I'd expect to see waiters serving beer with fish and chips at lunchbreak on training days ;-) Seriously though, it would do their project and its reputation in the sim community infinitely more good if they'd publish some sort of working, driveable demo. Achim "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >They spend a month making a perfectly realistic model of a f***ing bus... > > Nobody could POSSIBLY be stupid enough to think that a > fully-modelled race transporter is what everyone wants...

On the optimistic side I'd say if their working on the bus then much of whats important must already be done? I came away feeling more positive than Ive been in the past. They clearly say up till now its all just words and pics. Fingers and toes crossed hoping it'll come to pass. "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi, > > Just checked out www.west-racing.com to read the new update, and I > can't believe just how many times they can flip from amazing to > moronic. > > They come along and announce the racing sim to end all racing sims - > yay! > > They disappear for half a year - d'oh! > > They come back with a fantastic update showing the work they've done > in the engine design, which I've seen before but not in a game - yay! > > They spend a month making a perfectly realistic model of a f***ing bus > - d'oh! > > At the end of the day, who cares what the paddock looks like, whether > they have a nice screen font or if you can replace the fan belt on > your crappy team bus when it breaks down. We want legendary racing > cars on legendary race tracks. Give us the 49 at Brands in a rolling > demo and we'll love you, code physically perfect yellow flags > fluttering in the breeze and we'll give up waiting. > > Oh wait, I know what they'll be modelling next, the MP4/18...

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> "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >Nobody could > > POSSIBLY be stupid enough to think that a fully-modelled race transporter > is > > what everyone wants... > > And nobody could possibly be stupid enough to think that RL is for everyone. > Thus, what everyone wants is unimportant

And nobody could possibly be stupid enough to think the Wests have the midas touch when it comes to race sim design, and honestly believe that they can do no wrong, when we've yet to see an interactive product from them. Come to think of it, am I just incredibly stupid and the Wests are actually just making a Racing Legends movie? All we have are RL renders and WSC video clips...

>"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote > On the optimistic side I'd say if their working on the bus then much of > whats important must already be done? If "much of whats important" had already been done, we would have seen racing cars, in action, on the track, including in-car models, during a multiplayer race. Hope there's a place in the Teddy bear to put our Racing Legends leather wallet. Perhaps they will be also modeled in the game? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> >"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote > > On the optimistic side I'd say if their working on the bus then much of > > whats important must already be done? > > > If "much of whats important" had already been done, we would have seen > racing cars, in action, on the track, including in-car models, during a > multiplayer race.

What makes you say this Frank? Based on what company do you assume we "would have seen racing cars on the track"? Wouldnt that depend on the sales model? As LFS is then yes but are the West's using the same sales strategy? Theyre pretty small so keeping a tight hold on their code would be much easier than through a publisher that requires progress demos which in turn become leaks. If I was in their shoes I would keep it all as close to my chest as I could. When the time is right then let it EXPLODE onto the scene creating tons of interest and in turn sales??? Actually Im just trying out some positive thinking this time around instead of my normal pessimistic 'tude :) Mitch

"Joachim Trensz" wrote: > With the pricing they're aiming for, I don't find it absurd at all to > diligently pay minute attention to the trackside and paddock stuff. True, but I would expect the pricing model to be modular. Purchase car and track packs, each of which add new features such as garages, working engines and transporters as the development evolves. To start with I would expect basic cars and tracks. I also though they were looking to help fund the venture with a paid up beta program. Again this would suggest getting something driveable out of the door as soon as viable. Cheers Tony

"Mitch_A" wrote: > Actually Im just trying out some positive thinking this time aroundinstead > of my normal pessimistic 'tude :) Could be they are playing with us Mitch. Ok I'll get all positive too :) Cheers Tony

I could imagine Tony. Y2kRik's revenge or some sort :-) "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:p6Elb.2963$[email hidden]...

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> > "Mitch_A" wrote: > > > Actually Im just trying out some positive thinking this time around > instead > > of my normal pessimistic 'tude :) > > Could be they are playing with us Mitch. Ok I'll get all positive too :) > > Cheers > Tony > >

New Update???...........what a larger mirror for the increase in smoke. Frankly I cannot believe after two years people still believe they will produce somthing..........pathetic. I said it a year ago and I'll say it again, you will never, ever, by any stretch of the imagination see any product,..... demo or otherwise from these guys. I take that back.I forgot the Teddy Bears and I heard Coffee Cups are in the making.

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >>Nobody could >> POSSIBLY be stupid enough to think that a fully-modelled race transporter >is >> what everyone wants... > >And nobody could possibly be stupid enough to think that RL is for everyone. >Thus, what everyone wants is unimportant

Ok, maybe I should have said "what PEOPLE want". Meaning that nobody in their right mind would think that's what most people wanted. Is what most people want unimportant as well? I still find it hard to believe that anyone would drool over a fully-modelled race transporter, when we don't even have the cars yet. Come on, a *transporter*?!? I would say "who cares?", but it's obvious that at least you do. You really seem to always be on the West's bandwagon through weird press release after weird press release. While that's admirable(nobody can accuse you of being a Johnny-come lately), I'm just wondering why? Your support of those guys borders on religious faith. You continue to believe with all your heart even though there's no real proof that something even exists. Watching the group reactions though, their church is losing followers... I'm an atheist - I can't believe in something without seeing evidence. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>> POSSIBLY be stupid enough to think that a fully-modelled race >>> transporter is what everyone wants... >> >>And nobody could possibly be stupid enough to think that RL is for >>everyone. Thus, what everyone wants is unimportant > > Ok, maybe I should have said "what PEOPLE want". Meaning that nobody > in their right mind would think that's what most people wanted. Is > what most people want unimportant as well? I still find it hard to > believe that anyone would drool over a fully-modelled race > transporter, when we don't even have the cars yet. Come on, a > *transporter*?!? I would say "who cares?", but it's obvious that at > least you do. You really seem to always be on the West's bandwagon > through weird press release after weird press release. While that's > admirable(nobody can accuse you of being a Johnny-come lately), I'm > just wondering why? Your support of those guys borders on religious > faith. You continue to believe with all your heart even though > there's no real proof that something even exists. Watching the group > reactions though, their church is losing followers... I'm an atheist - > I can't believe in something without seeing evidence. > > Eldred

Well call me a drooling idiot. We have to remember that "WE" the members of RAS have absolutely NO right to demand anything from the Wests. The WESTS are making RL not RAS. We can shout to the heavens about what we want and what we think is important, and maybe the Wests will listen, but in the end, this is their project. RL may, or may-not, be born, but I willnot spend X amount of time between now and then complaining about stuff that I have no creative input on. A-lot of fellows here are getting worked up about RL as if they themselves are funding the project, as if we the denizens of RAS are sponsors. We are nothing. We cannot dictate. We cannot demand. And we also seem to be short sighted....a fully working transporter...just imagine what a sim could do with that...driving the big rig into the track, I wonder if the ACT LABs shifter would need an 18 gear template. Then unloading your car and pushing it over to the garages. Then driving from the garages to the pits and thence to the track. Why racing sims have never attempted to match the Hanger to runway immersion many flight sims have is beyond me. I'm not appolgizing for the Wests...they have created much of their own PR problems, but I am also not criticizing something just because their timeline doesn't meet with my approval. Let'em work, let'em make tiny updates sporadically on their website, I don't care. Call me if RL is ever released and then you can ask me what I think of it. dave henrie

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> In article <eEulb.14266$[email hidden]>, "Doug Ellison" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >>Nobody could > >> POSSIBLY be stupid enough to think that a fully-modelled race

transporter > >is > >> what everyone wants... > > > >And nobody could possibly be stupid enough to think that RL is foreveryone. > >Thus, what everyone wants is unimportant > > Ok, maybe I should have said "what PEOPLE want". Meaning that nobody intheir > right mind would think that's what most people wanted. Is what most peoplewant > unimportant as well? I still find it hard to believe that anyone woulddrool > over a fully-modelled race transporter, when we don't even have the carsyet. > Come on, a *transporter*?!? I would say "who cares?", but it's obviousthat at > least you do. You really seem to always be on the West's bandwagonthrough > weird press release after weird press release. While that'sadmirable(nobody > can accuse you of being a Johnny-come lately), I'm just wondering why?Your > support of those guys borders on religious faith. You continue to believewith > all your heart even though there's no real proof that something evenexists. > Watching the group reactions though, their church is losing followers... > I'm an atheist - I can't believe in something without seeing evidence. Actually Eldred, that would make you agnostic. Which I think is where a lot of folks come down on RL, among other things. They'd love for it all to be true, but aren't willing to believe just yet for fear of being disappointed in...the end... ;-) SB

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > And we also seem to be short sighted....a fully working > transporter...just imagine what a sim could do with that...driving the big > rig into the track, Just imagine, a wreckers delight.....:-) Take out the whole field by parking across a corner... Steve

You're right and make sense. Personally i don't give a shit about the transporter, all I want to do is "drive" the damn cars, but if their priority list may seem fucked up to me it might make sense to them, before the racing you need to get to the track... So the next step might be to simulate the bad food and the driver needing to take a shit in the middle of the race, or pissing in his suit for the long races and then you COULD have electrical problems based on the fluid dynamics, track layout (turning right or left) and whether your piss is more yellow than white and has a fluidity factor of more than 0.21454 Basically do the same for me than for Dave, wake me up when we have something to test, and let them simulate what they want, after all it's their life...

I honestly don't see the point in bashing the Wests methods. It's their project, period. If it is released, I'll be happy to buy it. But until that moment, I'm happy for whatever progress they do. /Carl

Yup, and if you want caviar and champaign instead of beer with fish and chips, you've got to shell out that extra buck or two ;-) Achim "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:23Elb.2955$[email hidden]... ... > True, but I would expect the pricing model to be modular...

> We are nothing. We cannot dictate. We > cannot demand. Since when did the consumer become a "nothing" ? Unless these West's guys are giving the game away for sod all, and that certainly does not seem to be the case, then I suggest they would be wise to take some advice from a few sim racers.

> Well call me a drooling idiot. Nah, I wouldn't do that...

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>We have to remember that "WE" the >members of RAS have absolutely NO right to demand anything from the Wests. >The WESTS are making RL not RAS. We can shout to the heavens about what we >want and what we think is important, and maybe the Wests will listen, but >in the end, this is their project. RL may, or may-not, be born, but I >willnot spend X amount of time between now and then complaining about stuff >that I have no creative input on. A-lot of fellows here are getting worked >up about RL as if they themselves are funding the project, as if we the >denizens of RAS are sponsors. We are nothing. We cannot dictate. We >cannot demand.

I wasn't demanding - I just thought it was pretty damn WEIRD... Truthfully, I've given up on it.

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> And we also seem to be short sighted....a fully working >transporter...just imagine what a sim could do with that...driving the big >rig into the track, I wonder if the ACT LABs shifter would need an 18 gear >template. Then unloading your car and pushing it over to the garages. >Then driving from the garages to the pits and thence to the track. Why >racing sims have never attempted to match the Hanger to runway immersion >many flight sims have is beyond me.

What's the percentage of people who actually follow pre-flight checklists, as opposed to just jumping in the plane and flying? It might actually make more sense for the 'immersion' factor, because a real pilot(except the Blue Angels) would do their own pre-flights. But a real race driver wouldn't drive the truck and unload the car. Most of them don't even WORK on the car...<g> > I'm not appolgizing for the Wests...they have created much of their own >PR problems, but I am also not criticizing something just because their >timeline doesn't meet with my approval. Let'em work, let'em make tiny >updates sporadically on their website, I don't care. Call me if RL is >ever released and then you can ask me what I think of it. As I said, I've given up on it. So I look at it as a humorous curiousity, and something to talk/laugh/argue about. If it happens, fine. If it doesn't, I'm not out anything. Are you saying that since it's not out yet, we can't argue about what we would or would not like to see in it? If so, why not? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>> I'm an atheist - I can't believe in something without seeing evidence. > >Actually Eldred, that would make you agnostic. From dictionary.com: atheist \A"the*ist\, n. [Gr. ? without god; 'a priv. + ? god: cf. F. ath['e]iste.] 1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being. I don't believe in God, so this definition is still accurate...<g> >Which I think is where a lot >of folks come down on RL, among other things. They'd love for it all to be >true, but aren't willing to believe just yet for fear of being disappointed >in...the end... ;-) I don't have any fear of being disappointed, but I simply haven't seen anything that makes me believe it's true. That goes for both subjects... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes >[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in ><snip>

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> And we also seem to be short sighted....a fully working >transporter...just imagine what a sim could do with that...driving the big >rig into the track, I wonder if the ACT LABs shifter would need an 18 gear >template. Then unloading your car and pushing it over to the garages. >Then driving from the garages to the pits and thence to the track. Why >racing sims have never attempted to match the Hanger to runway immersion >many flight sims have is beyond me.

<snip> >dave henrie Aaw, come on Dave, that kind of stuff is jaw dropping and immersive the first time around and would probably give you a real buzz, but a week later and you would not even bother with it. What most sim enthusiasts want to do is the part that counts, be that racing, flying, skiing, shooting, etc, and the sooner the simmer can get to the point where that is exactly what he is doing the better. I'm not saying all this extra eye-candy and little touches won't add that bit extra, but it's not what will keep everyone coming back for one more race. -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -25.01

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> >> I'm an atheist - I can't believe in something without seeing evidence. > > > >Actually Eldred, that would make you agnostic. > > From dictionary.com: > atheist > > \A"the*ist\, n. [Gr. ? without god; 'a priv. + ? god: cf. F. ath['e]iste.]

1. > One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supremeintelligent > Being. > > I don't believe in God, so this definition is still accurate...<g> That's a pretty broad definition; the important part in atheism/agnosticism is not the not, but the WHY not... As a RL agnostic, one would say, "I'll believe it when I see it, or when I at least see enough evidence to convince me; but not before then", whereas a true RL atheist would say "Nope. Not gonna happen, not ever, and here's why...". I'm sure there are some of the latter, but I suspect the majority harbor at least some dark glimmer of hope, and that means they're not true atheists. Perhaps even you! > I don't have any fear of being disappointed, but I simply haven't seenanything > that makes me believe it's true. That goes for both subjects... :-) > I rest my case... ;-) SB

"Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >> I'm an atheist - I can't believe in something without seeingevidence.

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> 1. > > One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme > intelligent > > Being. > > > > I don't believe in God, so this definition is still accurate...<g> > > That's a pretty broad definition; the important part in

atheism/agnosticism > is not the not, but the WHY not... > > As a RL agnostic, one would say, "I'll believe it when I see it, or when I > at least see enough evidence to convince me; but not before then" I think an RL agnostic would say, "RL is within us all. It's up to each own to find it." :)

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>> We are nothing. We cannot dictate. We >> cannot demand. > > Since when did the consumer become a "nothing" ? Unless these West's > guys are giving the game away for sod all, and that certainly does not > seem to be the case, then I suggest they would be wise to take some > advice from a few sim racers. > >

What are you consuming? Until they actual have a product to sell, you can't be a consumer. But I will agree, they could get plenty of good advice from groups like RAS. In they end though, we have no say whether they will listen to such input. dh

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> As I said, I've given up on it. So I look at it as a humorous > curiousity, and something to talk/laugh/argue about. If it happens, > fine. If it doesn't, I'm not out anything. > Are you saying that since it's not out yet, we can't argue about what > we would or would not like to see in it? If so, why not? > > Eldred > --

not in the least, but folks here have gotten pretty demanding it seems to me. "It MUST have this, it MUST have that..." I hope it does see the light of day, and then we can all judge it on it's merits...until then..it's wasted energy to get so worked up over the title. dave henrie

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>That's a pretty broad definition; the important part in atheism/agnosticism >is not the not, but the WHY not... > >As a RL agnostic, one would say, "I'll believe it when I see it, or when I >at least see enough evidence to convince me; but not before then", whereas a >true RL atheist would say "Nope. Not gonna happen, not ever, and here's >why...". I'm sure there are some of the latter, but I suspect the majority >harbor at least some dark glimmer of hope, and that means they're not true >atheists. Perhaps even you!

Nah...no glimmer of hope. I simply don't CARE. I remember seeing statement like this once. Sorry I can't remember who wrote it... "If there is a God, and that God wants anything whatsoever to do with me, then he know where I am and how to make me believe in his existence. The fact that he hasn't done so speaks for itself..." Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... <snip> > Nah...no glimmer of hope. I simply don't CARE. I remember seeingstatement > like this once. Sorry I can't remember who wrote it... > > "If there is a God, and that God wants anything whatsoever to do with me,then > he know where I am and how to make me believe in his existence. The factthat > he hasn't done so speaks for itself..." > > Eldred Again I am reminded of two ideas Woody Allen that seem appropriate here. 1) If there is a God the one thing we can deduce about him for sure is that he is an under-achiever. 2. I am at two with the universe. Elrikk (at two with most things) ;o)

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... <snip> I simply don't CARE. <snip> I'll let this be my last contribution to this thread since it seems to be going a bit far afield from the intended RL topic. But I have to say the above statement, as regards RL, is contradicted by your very presence in RAS. It's inconceivable that anyone with the basic interest that leads them here would not care. One might well think C&T are nuts and RL will never see the light of day. But if you care about sims, you cannot be completely indifferent to such a project. And if one doesn't care about sims, why are they here? As for larger issues, not caring about such basic questions is a sad state of affairs, usually borne of weariness at not finding a suitable answer. Well, people have been seeking such since they became self aware, so the fact that we can't answer them shouldn't surprise us. In fact, the unanswerable nature of the question is one of the basic tenets of...agnosticism. Which brings me full circle, so this is where I get off. Here's wishing you some pleasant surprises... ;-)

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>I'll let this be my last contribution to this thread since it seems to be >going a bit far afield from the intended RL topic. But I have to say the >above statement, as regards RL, is contradicted by your very presence in >RAS. It's inconceivable that anyone with the basic interest that leads them >here would not care. One might well think C&T are nuts and RL will never >see the light of day. But if you care about sims, you cannot be completely >indifferent to such a project. And if one doesn't care about sims, why are >they here?

No, that was basically not caring about religion. If RL does make it to the public, I'll definitely check out a demo, at least. Rumors of a high price tag may keep me from buying it right away, though. I love racing sims, but my relative lack of speed, and other things going on in my life mean that I need to change priorities. So I no longer wait with bated breath for the next new computer game, as I once did. If there were going to be a Starcraft 2, I might change my mind...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Blankenship" > <[email hidden]> writes:<Snip> > No, that was basically not caring about religion. ooo, as a christian, its hard not to want to start a massive debate here.... Either way, I have to say I think I'd prefer a nice render of an Aussie V8 in the next website update (are you listening West brothers? ;-) ) David Corless --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 8/10/2003

Sorry, I haven't been following RAS and sim racing much lately. Did the West Bros sim ever get produced. I remember seeing great screen shots a while back. Then nothing. Claude Beaudouin Doug Ellison wrote:

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> "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >Nobody could > > POSSIBLY be stupid enough to think that a fully-modelled race transporter > is > > what everyone wants... > > And nobody could possibly be stupid enough to think that RL is for everyone. > Thus, what everyone wants is unimportant > > Doug

Sorry, I haven't been following RAS and sim racing much lately. Did the West Bros sim ever get produced. I remember seeing great screen shots a while back. Then nothing. Claude Beaudouin

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> >Nobody could > > POSSIBLY be stupid enough to think that a fully-modelled race transporter > is > > what everyone wants... > And nobody could possibly be stupid enough to think that RL is for everyone. > Thus, what everyone wants is unimportant > Doug

Not released as of yet. I'm hoping it comes to pass but if it doesnt so be it. The only thing we're out is a bunch of talk on a NG :) "c beaudouin" <"claude.beaudouin nospam"@lmco.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Sorry, I haven't been following RAS and sim racing much lately. Did theWest > Bros sim ever get produced. I remember seeing great screen shots a whileback. > Then nothing. > > Claude Beaudouin >

In article <[email hidden]>, c beaudouin <"claude.beaudouin nospam"@lmco.com> writes >Sorry, I haven't been following RAS and sim racing much lately. Did the >West >Bros sim ever get produced. I remember seeing great screen shots a while >back. >Then nothing. >Then you should head back to their page. They've got even more GREAT screenshots now. Fantastic it is, I tell ya!!! :) -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -25.01