Nascar legends opinions

Is anybody playing this game, if so how is it and how does it compare to Nascar3? Trying to make up my mind which to buy. tank you

Same physics engine so it feels the same except that a 1970 Superbird is a pig. Both are fun, pick your decade. JM > Is anybody playing this game, if so how is it and how does it compare to > Nascar3? Trying to make up my mind which to buy. > tank you

>Same physics engine so it feels the same except that a 1970 Superbird is a >pig. Ever drive a real Hemi Superbird? Didn't think so. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Professional Shop Rat - 35 years in an auto plant. Check my web page - www.tir.com/~destarr - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Same game, same engine, same sounds, same options, different intro and different cars and tracks. If you have N3, you have NL just with different cars and tracks. It should have been an expansion pack for $20. -Larry

The thing that bugged me about Nascar Legends was this... When Nascar2 came along, the folks at Papyrus removed the tire stagger setting from the setup menu, claiming that NASCAR no longer allowed setting of stagger. That's all well and fine, but back in the Nascar Legends era, tire stagger was indeed a valid setup option. I fully expected to see the setting return for Legends, but it didn't. Legends is pretty obviously N3 with graphic changes. Still, I bought it, and I will buy everything Papy puts out, just in the hopes that I'm helping support the company that might release another GPL-quality title down the road. Perhaps I'm being naiive here, but I can afford to buy their other titles while I wait for the next GPL-quality sim from them. David Bell

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>Same game, same engine, same sounds, same options, different intro and >different cars and tracks. >If you have N3, you have NL just with different cars and tracks. >It should have been an expansion pack for $20. >-Larry >> Is anybody playing this game, if so how is it and how does it compare to >> Nascar3? Trying to make up my mind which to buy. >> tank you

Change your rear tire pressures for stagger. I believe that's how it was done back in 1970.

We have a winner! Just because you don't see a stagger adjustment that doesn't mean it isn't there.<G> Scott Sanford Papyrus

Rubbish, Rubbish, Rubbish. Oh, and did I say Rubbish. NL is much better and more fun than N3. Have you tried it???? Steve

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>Same game, same engine, same sounds, same options, different intro and >different cars and tracks. >If you have N3, you have NL just with different cars and tracks. >It should have been an expansion pack for $20. >-Larry >> Is anybody playing this game, if so how is it and how does it compare to >> Nascar3? Trying to make up my mind which to buy. >> tank you

"Trips" wrote No offense Trips, as I've actually been equally naive. But that is backwards thinking now that I reconsider it. I believe purchasing the crappy products does more harm than good. If I had the self discipline to deprive myself of the eye candy I would have skipped both N3 and Legends, and buying NR99 was another waste. I didn't even send in for the rebate because of a similar "they need the money" mindset. The problem is that the parent company doesn't view our purchase of the lesser products as a sign of loyalty, they view it as a sign of our appetite for crappy products and the lack of appetite for quality products. If we really want to show Sierra that we want a GPL quality title, we should go out and buy another copy of GPL. In fact, since Sierra probably wouldn't be aware of any merchandise moving off the shelf of a local software store, we should all make a point to order GPL directly from Sierra. Just 1,000 or so direct orders would send a real positive message to the "suits", but if we all make a point to purchase products we don't care for, all we are doing is telling them we want more of these types of products.

They also measured tires at certain pressures to determine the circumference. Dave

No, my post didn't help much. But hey, yours was stating the blindingly obvious, so what makes that so earth shattering? My view that NL is better than N3, is chiefly that a) the AI have more balls, and, b) the tyre wear/fuel consumption part of the equation more accurately reflects the way real cars behave/behaved then. There are problems, but none that a couple of clever people (not me), could sort out. It may be the same game engine, but the parameters have been shifted. This is all of course IMHO. Steve Larry wrote in message ...

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>If I hadn't of tried it, I wouldn't have posted the damned message now, >would I? > >If you differ, please say how. Otherwise, your post doesn't help one bit. > >-Larry > >"Stephen Barnett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:83jnf5$17u$[email hidden]... >> Rubbish, Rubbish, Rubbish. Oh, and did I say Rubbish. NL is much better >and >> more fun than N3. Have you tried it???? >> Steve >> >> Larry wrote in message ... >> >Same game, same engine, same sounds, same options, different intro and >> >different cars and tracks. >> > >> >If you have N3, you have NL just with different cars and tracks. >> > >> >It should have been an expansion pack for $20. >> > >> >-Larry >> > >> >"Chris Sheen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >news:8371f9$e96$[email hidden]... >> >> Is anybody playing this game, if so how is it and how does it compare >to >> >> Nascar3? Trying to make up my mind which to buy. >> >> >> >> tank you >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >

Stephen Barnett <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:83ne7g$t4d$[email hidden]... > My view that NL is better than N3, is chiefly that : >a) the AI have more balls That is what i like too. > b) the tyre wear/fuel consumption part of the equation more > accurately reflects the way real cars behave/behaved then. There are > problems, but none that a couple of clever people (not me), could sortout. > It may be the same game engine, but the parameters have been shifted. This > is all of course IMHO. > Steve I feel game, cos of that, somehow more interact with me. Give me chalange i need when i play Nascar game. Feel more real. Great game.

Holy Cow! I didn't think of that! Yet another indication that it's N3 with different skins :( -Larry

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> The thing that bugged me about Nascar Legends was this... When Nascar2 > came along, the folks at Papyrus removed the tire stagger setting from > the setup menu, claiming that NASCAR no longer allowed setting of > stagger. That's all well and fine, but back in the Nascar Legends era, > tire stagger was indeed a valid setup option. I fully expected to see > the setting return for Legends, but it didn't. Legends is pretty > obviously N3 with graphic changes. > Still, I bought it, and I will buy everything Papy puts out, just in > the hopes that I'm helping support the company that might release > another GPL-quality title down the road. Perhaps I'm being naiive > here, but I can afford to buy their other titles while I wait for the > next GPL-quality sim from them. > David Bell > >Same game, same engine, same sounds, same options, different intro and > >different cars and tracks. > >If you have N3, you have NL just with different cars and tracks. > >It should have been an expansion pack for $20. > >-Larry > >> Is anybody playing this game, if so how is it and how does it compare

to > >> Nascar3? Trying to make up my mind which to buy. > >> tank you

Nope. That's how it's done _now_, though they don't really call it stagger any more. Back then, they actually had different size tires. Right? -Larry

If I hadn't of tried it, I wouldn't have posted the damned message now, would I? If you differ, please say how. Otherwise, your post doesn't help one bit. -Larry > Rubbish, Rubbish, Rubbish. Oh, and did I say Rubbish. NL is much better and

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> more fun than N3. Have you tried it???? > Steve > >Same game, same engine, same sounds, same options, different intro and > >different cars and tracks. > >If you have N3, you have NL just with different cars and tracks. > >It should have been an expansion pack for $20. > >-Larry > >> Is anybody playing this game, if so how is it and how does it compare

to > >> Nascar3? Trying to make up my mind which to buy. > >> tank you

Stephen Barnett wrote:

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> > No, my post didn't help much. But hey, yours was stating the blindingly > obvious, so what makes that so earth shattering? > > My view that NL is better than N3, is chiefly that a) the AI have more > balls, and, b) the tyre wear/fuel consumption part of the equation more > accurately reflects the way real cars behave/behaved then. There are > problems, but none that a couple of clever people (not me), could sort out. > It may be the same game engine, but the parameters have been shifted. This > is all of course IMHO. > Steve

Yep, I love the AI in NL. They really challenge you & get both quicker & more aggressive when you try putting them a lap down. Much more so than N3, although I like that title too. Just prefer NL, myself. And, on my machine at least, they do not sound the same so I'm puzzled by that observation. Tire wear also makes things a lot more interesting. A few times I've managed to find online races to get into, I've found many folks try driving these like they do in N3. I just let them go, knowing they're gonna have to pit before the end of a 10% race. I keep a pace where I can *just* make it on tires, and beat them easily. Has happened at both Alabama and Atlanta. Kinda like an automotive chess match, ya gotta *think*. -- //Chuck Kandler #70 //ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net //K&S Racing //http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 //The box said "Windows 0x5h or better", so I installed LINUX!

writes: So how *should* you drive them? I've never gotten in online races, but I've burned up MANY a tire trying to keep up with the AI... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> writes: > >Tire wear also makes things a lot more interesting. A few times I've > >managed to find online races to get into, I've found many folks try > >driving these like they do in N3. I just let them go, knowing they're > >gonna have to pit before the end of a 10% race. > So how *should* you drive them? I've never gotten in online races, but I've > burned up MANY a tire trying to keep up with the AI... > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Let's just say, pace yourself. The longer the race, the better the payoff. But if it's like 8% or lower with a venue like Alabama, you best just let 'er all hang out! -- //Chuck Kandler #70 //ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net //K&S Racing //http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 //The box said "Windows 0x5f or better", so I installed LINUX!

Very smoothly, brake early and accelerate out of the bends, and as a very rough rule of thumb, I think***jacks on the Ace setups need all bringing down two settings (90% down to 80% etc), for the tyres to last anything like a long race. If you hear the tyres squeal, your setup or style is out. Steve >So how *should* you drive them? I've never gotten in online races, but I've

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>burned up MANY a tire trying to keep up with the AI... >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Stagger is set by the crew chief! It's there, but you do not get to set it yourself. NASCAR has always allowed stagger! buzard

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> Holy Cow! I didn't think of that! > Yet another indication that it's N3 with different skins :( > -Larry > > The thing that bugged me about Nascar Legends was this... When Nascar2 > > came along, the folks at Papyrus removed the tire stagger setting from > > the setup menu, claiming that NASCAR no longer allowed setting of > > stagger. That's all well and fine, but back in the Nascar Legends era, > > tire stagger was indeed a valid setup option. I fully expected to see > > the setting return for Legends, but it didn't. Legends is pretty > > obviously N3 with graphic changes. > > Still, I bought it, and I will buy everything Papy puts out, just in > > the hopes that I'm helping support the company that might release > > another GPL-quality title down the road. Perhaps I'm being naiive > > here, but I can afford to buy their other titles while I wait for the > > next GPL-quality sim from them. > > David Bell > > >Same game, same engine, same sounds, same options, different intro and > > >different cars and tracks. > > >If you have N3, you have NL just with different cars and tracks. > > >It should have been an expansion pack for $20. > > >-Larry > > >> Is anybody playing this game, if so how is it and how does it compare > to > > >> Nascar3? Trying to make up my mind which to buy. > > >> tank you

Nooooo shit. :) -Larry

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> Stagger is set by the crew chief! It's there, but you do not get to set > it yourself. NASCAR has always allowed stagger! > buzard > > Holy Cow! I didn't think of that! > > Yet another indication that it's N3 with different skins :( > > -Larry > > > The thing that bugged me about Nascar Legends was this... When Nascar2 > > > came along, the folks at Papyrus removed the tire stagger setting from > > > the setup menu, claiming that NASCAR no longer allowed setting of > > > stagger. That's all well and fine, but back in the Nascar Legends era, > > > tire stagger was indeed a valid setup option. I fully expected to see > > > the setting return for Legends, but it didn't. Legends is pretty > > > obviously N3 with graphic changes. > > > Still, I bought it, and I will buy everything Papy puts out, just in > > > the hopes that I'm helping support the company that might release > > > another GPL-quality title down the road. Perhaps I'm being naiive > > > here, but I can afford to buy their other titles while I wait for the > > > next GPL-quality sim from them. > > > David Bell > > > >Same game, same engine, same sounds, same options, different intro

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> > > >different cars and tracks. > > > >If you have N3, you have NL just with different cars and tracks. > > > >It should have been an expansion pack for $20. > > > >-Larry > > > >> Is anybody playing this game, if so how is it and how does it

compare > > to > > > >> Nascar3? Trying to make up my mind which to buy. > > > >> tank you