RASCAR: North Carolina

Good race all in all for the Grubbat Dodge. We managed to finish 3th behind ginger and joonli. Sorry bout the mess in the pits Kyle. I believe I could have caught Ginger in about another 10 laps but, considering the track surface and the hard charging the last 20 laps, that was probally wishful thinking. Bluestringer had a good car and I dont know how he went a lap down midway. Good thing about it was that everyone got their lap back before the mad 20 lap dash. I believe there were two or maybe there yellows. Someone wanted to do a restart at the beginning, but I dont think that would have been a good idea. I hate it for the guys that got caught up in that one. See yall at homestead. grub

"grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Good race all in all for the Grubbat Dodge. We managed to finish 3thbehind > ginger and joonli. Sorry bout the mess in the pits Kyle. I believe I could > have caught Ginger in about another 10 laps but, considering the track > surface and the hard charging the last 20 laps, that was probally wishful > thinking. Bluestringer had a good car and I dont know how he went a lapdown > midway. Good thing about it was that everyone got their lap back beforethe > mad 20 lap dash. I believe there were two or maybe there yellows. Someone > wanted to do a restart at the beginning, but I dont think that would have > been a good idea. I hate it for the guys that got caught up in that one.See > yall at homestead. > grub Track: NORTH CAROLINA SPEEDWAY Date: 11/08/03 Session: Practice P # DRIVER TIME 1 96 Neil__C 23.945 2 27 BOster 23.946 3 83 grubbat 23.983 4 48 YellowJacketT 24.031 5 314 DaveGF 24.078 6 7 Dick-Trickle 24.114 7 98 LTB-Racer 24.127 8 3 TNA Loan 24.152 9 170 joonjoonli 24.162 10 00 seery 24.255 11 103 JurjenvanderLelij 24.270 12 0 24.277 13 86 86_k_roberts 24.299 14 34 Fernando Deutsch 24.336 15 318 Mitch_A 24.351 16 42 bluestringer 24.402 17 17 j_verschue_RAS 24.414 18 39 jsterner 24.431 19 04 DDodge 24.507 20 99 Elrikk 24.517 21 67 UweSchuerkamp 25.271 22 2 tpaullin 25.475 Weather: Clear, 70 �F, North 0 mph Session: Qualifying P # DRIVER TIME 1 3 TNA Loan 23.871 2 314 DaveGF 24.015 3 27 BOster 24.055 4 98 LTB-Racer 24.060 5 48 YellowJacketT 24.064 6 7 Dick-Trickle 24.090 7 96 Neil__C 24.144 8 34 Fernando Deutsch 24.173 9 42 bluestringer 24.191 10 39 jsterner 24.258 11 103 JurjenvanderLelij 24.301 12 04 DDodge 24.346 13 318 Mitch_A 24.413 14 17 j_verschue_RAS 24.429 15 83 grubbat 24.482 16 86 86_k_roberts 24.498 17 2 tpaullin 24.531 18 99 Elrikk 24.659 19 67 UweSchuerkamp 24.704 20 00 seery 24.964 21 170 joonjoonli -- 22 0 -- 23 0 -- Weather: Clear, 70 �F, North 0 mph Session: Happy Hour P # DRIVER TIME 1 48 YellowJacketT 23.990 2 314 DaveGF 24.141 3 00 seery 24.163 4 96 Neil__C 24.197 5 103 JurjenvanderLelij 24.211 6 83 grubbat 24.223 7 34 Fernando Deutsch 24.236 8 98 LTB-Racer 24.260 9 86 86_k_roberts 24.290 10 7 Dick-Trickle 24.320 11 318 Mitch_A 24.393 12 3 TNA Loan 24.464 13 42 bluestringer 24.484 14 99 Elrikk 24.507 15 04 DDodge 24.671 16 2 tpaullin 24.671 17 17 j_verschue_RAS 24.759 18 67 UweSchuerkamp 25.320 19 39 jsterner 25.529 20 27 BOster 33.381 Weather: Clear, 70 �F, North 0 mph Session: Race OFFICIAL STANDINGS F S # DRIVER INTERVAL LAPS LED POINTS STATUS 1 6 7 Dick-Trickle 114.680 158 9 180 Running 2 21 170 joonjoonli -0.44 158 25 175 Running 3 15 83 grubbat -1.69 158 6 170 Running 4 7 96 Neil__C -6.38 158 33 165 Running 5 11 103 JurjenvanderLelij -7.25 158 0 155 Running 6 8 34 Fernando Deutsch -7.34 158 0 150 Running 7 2 314 DaveGF -7.64 158 0 146 Running 8 9 42 bluestringer -8.38 158 0 142 Running 9 16 86 86_k_roberts -10.61 158 8 143 Running 10 1 3 TNA Loan -29L 129 72* 144 Retired 11 5 48 YellowJacketT -40L 118 5 135 Retired 12 4 98 LTB-Racer -58L 100 0 127 Gearbox 13 13 318 Mitch_A -74L 84 0 124 Retired 14 17 2 tpaullin -75L 83 0 121 Retired 15 19 67 UweSchuerkamp -76L 82 0 118 Retired 16 20 00 seery -80L 78 0 115 Accident 17 10 39 jsterner -101L 57 0 112 Gearbox 18 18 99 Elrikk -101L 57 0 109 Retired 19 12 04 DDodge -156L 2 0 106 Ignition 20 3 27 BOster -157L 1 0 103 Accident 21 14 17 j_verschue_RAS -158L 0 0 100 Accident Caution Flags: 7 (26 laps) Lead Changes: 10 (7 drivers) Weather: Clear, 70 �F, North 0 mph Pitstop Frequency: 1x PENALTIES LAP # INFRACTION PENALTY 3 04 Dropping Fluid Pit for repairs 3 04 Smoking Engine Pit for repairs 12 00 Speeding in pits Go to end of longest line 56 99 Speeding in pits Drive through pit lane 57 99 Speeding in pits Stop and go 64 2 Speeding in pits Go to end of longest line 82 2 Entering closed pits Go to end of longest line 84 98 Passing the pacecar Held for 33 seconds 86 98 Passing the pacecar Held for 35 seconds 84 318 Passing under yellow Held for 1 seconds 88 98 Speeding in pits Drive through pit lane 115 48 Smoking Engine Pit for repairs 115 96 Speeding in pits Go to end of longest line 130 3 Entering closed pits Go to end of longest line 132 96 Speeding in pits Go to end of longest line

David, Whats the new standings? grub "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Good race all in all for the Grubbat Dodge. We managed to finish 3th > behind > > ginger and joonli. Sorry bout the mess in the pits Kyle. I believe Icould > > have caught Ginger in about another 10 laps but, considering the track > > surface and the hard charging the last 20 laps, that was proballywishful > > thinking. Bluestringer had a good car and I dont know how he went a lap > down > > midway. Good thing about it was that everyone got their lap back before > the > > mad 20 lap dash. I believe there were two or maybe there yellows.Someone > > wanted to do a restart at the beginning, but I dont think that wouldhave

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> > been a good idea. I hate it for the guys that got caught up in that one. > See > > yall at homestead. > > grub > > Track: NORTH CAROLINA SPEEDWAY > Date: 11/08/03 > > > Session: Practice > > P # DRIVER TIME > 1 96 Neil__C 23.945 > 2 27 BOster 23.946 > 3 83 grubbat 23.983 > 4 48 YellowJacketT 24.031 > 5 314 DaveGF 24.078 > 6 7 Dick-Trickle 24.114 > 7 98 LTB-Racer 24.127 > 8 3 TNA Loan 24.152 > 9 170 joonjoonli 24.162 > 10 00 seery 24.255 > 11 103 JurjenvanderLelij 24.270 > 12 0 24.277 > 13 86 86_k_roberts 24.299 > 14 34 Fernando Deutsch 24.336 > 15 318 Mitch_A 24.351 > 16 42 bluestringer 24.402 > 17 17 j_verschue_RAS 24.414 > 18 39 jsterner 24.431 > 19 04 DDodge 24.507 > 20 99 Elrikk 24.517 > 21 67 UweSchuerkamp 25.271 > 22 2 tpaullin 25.475 > > > > Weather: Clear, 70 �F, North 0 mph > > > > Session: Qualifying > > P # DRIVER TIME > 1 3 TNA Loan 23.871 > 2 314 DaveGF 24.015 > 3 27 BOster 24.055 > 4 98 LTB-Racer 24.060 > 5 48 YellowJacketT 24.064 > 6 7 Dick-Trickle 24.090 > 7 96 Neil__C 24.144 > 8 34 Fernando Deutsch 24.173 > 9 42 bluestringer 24.191 > 10 39 jsterner 24.258 > 11 103 JurjenvanderLelij 24.301 > 12 04 DDodge 24.346 > 13 318 Mitch_A 24.413 > 14 17 j_verschue_RAS 24.429 > 15 83 grubbat 24.482 > 16 86 86_k_roberts 24.498 > 17 2 tpaullin 24.531 > 18 99 Elrikk 24.659 > 19 67 UweSchuerkamp 24.704 > 20 00 seery 24.964 > 21 170 joonjoonli -- > 22 0 -- > 23 0 -- > > > > Weather: Clear, 70 �F, North 0 mph > > > > Session: Happy Hour > > P # DRIVER TIME > 1 48 YellowJacketT 23.990 > 2 314 DaveGF 24.141 > 3 00 seery 24.163 > 4 96 Neil__C 24.197 > 5 103 JurjenvanderLelij 24.211 > 6 83 grubbat 24.223 > 7 34 Fernando Deutsch 24.236 > 8 98 LTB-Racer 24.260 > 9 86 86_k_roberts 24.290 > 10 7 Dick-Trickle 24.320 > 11 318 Mitch_A 24.393 > 12 3 TNA Loan 24.464 > 13 42 bluestringer 24.484 > 14 99 Elrikk 24.507 > 15 04 DDodge 24.671 > 16 2 tpaullin 24.671 > 17 17 j_verschue_RAS 24.759 > 18 67 UweSchuerkamp 25.320 > 19 39 jsterner 25.529 > 20 27 BOster 33.381 > > > > Weather: Clear, 70 �F, North 0 mph > > > > Session: Race > OFFICIAL STANDINGS > > F S # DRIVER INTERVAL LAPS LED POINTS STATUS > 1 6 7 Dick-Trickle 114.680 158 9 180 Running > 2 21 170 joonjoonli -0.44 158 25 175 Running > 3 15 83 grubbat -1.69 158 6 170 Running > 4 7 96 Neil__C -6.38 158 33 165 Running > 5 11 103 JurjenvanderLelij -7.25 158 0 155 Running > 6 8 34 Fernando Deutsch -7.34 158 0 150 Running > 7 2 314 DaveGF -7.64 158 0 146 Running > 8 9 42 bluestringer -8.38 158 0 142 Running > 9 16 86 86_k_roberts -10.61 158 8 143 Running > 10 1 3 TNA Loan -29L 129 72* 144 Retired > 11 5 48 YellowJacketT -40L 118 5 135 Retired > 12 4 98 LTB-Racer -58L 100 0 127 Gearbox > 13 13 318 Mitch_A -74L 84 0 124 Retired > 14 17 2 tpaullin -75L 83 0 121 Retired > 15 19 67 UweSchuerkamp -76L 82 0 118 Retired > 16 20 00 seery -80L 78 0 115 Accident > 17 10 39 jsterner -101L 57 0 112 Gearbox > 18 18 99 Elrikk -101L 57 0 109 Retired > 19 12 04 DDodge -156L 2 0 106 Ignition > 20 3 27 BOster -157L 1 0 103 Accident > 21 14 17 j_verschue_RAS -158L 0 0 100 Accident > > > > Caution Flags: 7 (26 laps) > Lead Changes: 10 (7 drivers) > Weather: Clear, 70 �F, North 0 mph > Pitstop Frequency: 1x > > > PENALTIES > LAP # INFRACTION PENALTY > 3 04 Dropping Fluid Pit for repairs > 3 04 Smoking Engine Pit for repairs > 12 00 Speeding in pits Go to end of longest line > 56 99 Speeding in pits Drive through pit lane > 57 99 Speeding in pits Stop and go > 64 2 Speeding in pits Go to end of longest line > 82 2 Entering closed pits Go to end of longest line > 84 98 Passing the pacecar Held for 33 seconds > 86 98 Passing the pacecar Held for 35 seconds > 84 318 Passing under yellow Held for 1 seconds > 88 98 Speeding in pits Drive through pit lane > 115 48 Smoking Engine Pit for repairs > 115 96 Speeding in pits Go to end of longest line > 130 3 Entering closed pits Go to end of longest line > 132 96 Speeding in pits Go to end of longest line > > > > >

"grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Good race all in all for the Grubbat Dodge. We managed to finish 3thbehind > ginger and joonli. Sorry bout the mess in the pits Kyle. I believe I could > have caught Ginger in about another 10 laps but, considering the track > surface and the hard charging the last 20 laps, that was probally wishful > thinking. Bluestringer had a good car and I dont know how he went a lapdown > midway. Good thing about it was that everyone got their lap back beforethe > mad 20 lap dash. I believe there were two or maybe there yellows. Someone > wanted to do a restart at the beginning, but I dont think that would have > been a good idea. I hate it for the guys that got caught up in that one.See > yall at homestead. > grub We had one or two who didn't want to restart, so we didn't do it. On the rare occasion that a restart is suggested, I think it might be best if we go ahead with it if an overwhelming majority wants it during a quick "y" or "n" poll using chat. Another reason we didn't do it (discussed using TS) is because we thought Brian had already disconnected. We also didn't know Jan had severe damage and would have to leave if no restart. After you both disconnected, some of us mentioned that you two should probably try and get on TS. It would of helped us all make our decisions whether to restart, and I'm sure I would have done it if I'd known the two of you would be lost for the race. Restart requests have been very rare in RASCAR, so if something really unusual happens on lap1, I don't see the big deal in a restart if most agree. My race was difficult due to the fact that early in the race I was tapped from behind and hit the wall which caused some engine damage. I was about 10mph off the pace for most of the race. Each pit repair helped me a little, and by the end of the race I was a bit faster. 7th wasn't too bad considering how my car was running. TS has been a great addition, but today we had our first problem with it. There was too much chatting on TS at times, and it cost me while pitting. I couldn't hear a word my crew chief was saying during a pit. I couldn't hear if the car was still being repaired, or if I was told to "go, go, go" because of the talking. I ended up leaving the pits earlier than I had to, and it surely cost me in the following green laps. I also didn't hear the message to get on the inside line, and I think it cost Mitch a penalty. He came up from way back right as we were about to go green, and passed me. I definitely should of known where to be without the hearing the message, but there were a lot of things going on and if I had heard the message, I would of been in the right spot. Never made that mistake before. I'm not even sure I heard the message saying we were going green. Not a big deal, but we just need to edit ourselves a bit onTS. David G Fisher

"grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Good race all in all for the Grubbat Dodge. We managed to finish 3thbehind > ginger and joonli. Sorry bout the mess in the pits Kyle. I believe I could > have caught Ginger in about another 10 laps but, considering the track > surface and the hard charging the last 20 laps, that was probally wishful > thinking. Bluestringer had a good car and I dont know how he went a lapdown > midway. Good thing about it was that everyone got their lap back beforethe > mad 20 lap dash. I believe there were two or maybe there yellows. Someone > wanted to do a restart at the beginning, but I dont think that would have > been a good idea. I hate it for the guys that got caught up in that one.See > yall at homestead. > grub > > Grub, I got caught on pit road when the second caution came out. I had just pulled in and the flag came out. I finally got back on the lead lap with about 25 to go. Made my way to 4th, then someone let the dogs loose and we were all looking for the bone. There was some really good cars and fine racing at the end. Me and the 103 touched on the last lap and I slid up into the wall finishing 8th. Nice racing and a lot of fun. Congrats to the top three. bluestringer

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> TS has been a great addition, but today we had our first problem with > it. There was too much chatting on TS at times, and it cost me while > pitting. I couldn't hear a word my crew chief was saying during a pit. > I couldn't hear if the car was still being repaired, or if I was told > to "go, go, go" because of the talking. I ended up leaving the pits > earlier than I had to, and it surely cost me in the following green > laps. I also didn't hear the message to get on the inside line, and I > think it cost Mitch a penalty. He came up from way back right as we > were about to go green, and passed me. I definitely should of known > where to be without the hearing the message, but there were a lot of > things going on and if I had heard the message, I would of been in the > right spot. Never made that mistake before. I'm not even sure I heard > the message saying we were going green.

You can alter the sound levels Dave - first race I did with TS my spotter was louder than TS, so I missed out chat messages. This race I had TS volume cranked up and had to be listen carefully to my spotter cause I could barely hear him. I agree, TS is a great addition, but makes it harder to concentrate sometimes. I had an incident with Larry because of it. I was running several laps on his tail, when he asked if I wanted to pass, and that I could pass next corner. He slowed down on the racing line going into the corner, but I wasnt prepared to change my line and ended up punting him. Real sorry again Larry :( Apologies to bluestringer as well for sending you in the wall last corner last lap. I didnt hear/feel a thing and was holding my line but in my replay I can see you suddenly flying sideways :( Real shame cause we had some very nice close racing with 4 cars that last couple laps. Cheers, jurjen

good race. practice race was pretty good too, but in was more like Larry putting on an exhibition than a race. :) "grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Good race all in all for the Grubbat Dodge. We managed to finish 3thbehind > ginger and joonli. Sorry bout the mess in the pits Kyle. I believe I could > have caught Ginger in about another 10 laps but, considering the track > surface and the hard charging the last 20 laps, that was probally wishful > thinking. Bluestringer had a good car and I dont know how he went a lapdown > midway. Good thing about it was that everyone got their lap back beforethe > mad 20 lap dash. I believe there were two or maybe there yellows. Someone > wanted to do a restart at the beginning, but I dont think that would have > been a good idea. I hate it for the guys that got caught up in that one.See > yall at homestead. > grub > >

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> You can alter the sound levels Dave - first race I did with TS my spotter > was louder than TS, so I missed out chat messages. This race I had TS > volume cranked up and had to be listen carefully to my spotter cause I > could barely hear him. > > I agree, TS is a great addition, but makes it harder to concentrate > sometimes. > I had an incident with Larry because of it. I was running several laps on > his tail, when he asked if I wanted to pass, and that I could pass next > corner. He slowed down on the racing line going into the corner, but I > wasnt prepared to change my line and ended up punting him. Real sorry > again Larry :( > Apologies to bluestringer as well for sending you in the wall last corner > last lap. I didnt hear/feel a thing and was holding my line but in my > replay I can see you suddenly flying sideways :( > Real shame cause we had some very nice close racing with 4 cars that last > couple laps. > > Cheers, jurjen

No problem Jurjen. IMO, it was just hard racing, or may have been a warp thing. I haven't seen the replay, but I may have pinched you down a bit. I had wore my tires out battling with Fernando and Neil. Anyway, that was some great racing at the end. bluestringer

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>I agree, TS is a great addition, but makes it harder to concentrate >sometimes. >I had an incident with Larry because of it. I was running several laps on >his tail, when he asked if I wanted to pass, and that I could pass next >corner. He slowed down on the racing line going into the corner, but I >wasnt prepared to change my line and ended up punting him. Real sorry >again Larry :(

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Well, the dogs got kicked in the side a few times today, but there's always next week :) Between the wad of steel I had left, the lost gears, down a cylinder or two and the seemingly never-ending BF's I still don't understand, I decided to pack up the trailer and head home early. -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Good race all in all for the Grubbat Dodge. We managed to finish 3th > behind > > ginger and joonli. Sorry bout the mess in the pits Kyle. I believe Icould > > have caught Ginger in about another 10 laps but, considering the track > > surface and the hard charging the last 20 laps, that was proballywishful > > thinking. Bluestringer had a good car and I dont know how he went a lap > down > > midway. Good thing about it was that everyone got their lap back before > the > > mad 20 lap dash. I believe there were two or maybe there yellows.Someone > > wanted to do a restart at the beginning, but I dont think that wouldhave > > been a good idea. I hate it for the guys that got caught up in that one. > See > > yall at homestead. > > grub >

That would have been me. Sorry about that :) You did suprise me a little bit in that corner, though :) Given how the last couple of turns went, I thought going under would be ok. I didn't really expect you to come down to the apex like you did. I tried to get out of there but I had too much fender under ya. Again, sorry :) -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... My race was difficult due to the fact that early in the race I was tapped from behind and hit the wall which caused some engine damage. I was about 10mph off the pace for most of the race. Each pit repair helped me a little, and by the end of the race I was a bit faster. 7th wasn't too bad considering how my car was running.

No problem Jurgen :) -Larry "JLe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > TS has been a great addition, but today we had our first problem with > > it. There was too much chatting on TS at times, and it cost me while > > pitting. I couldn't hear a word my crew chief was saying during a pit. > > I couldn't hear if the car was still being repaired, or if I was told > > to "go, go, go" because of the talking. I ended up leaving the pits > > earlier than I had to, and it surely cost me in the following green > > laps. I also didn't hear the message to get on the inside line, and I > > think it cost Mitch a penalty. He came up from way back right as we > > were about to go green, and passed me. I definitely should of known > > where to be without the hearing the message, but there were a lot of > > things going on and if I had heard the message, I would of been in the > > right spot. Never made that mistake before. I'm not even sure I heard > > the message saying we were going green. > > You can alter the sound levels Dave - first race I did with TS my spotter > was louder than TS, so I missed out chat messages. This race I had TS > volume cranked up and had to be listen carefully to my spotter cause I > could barely hear him. > > I agree, TS is a great addition, but makes it harder to concentrate > sometimes. > I had an incident with Larry because of it. I was running several laps on > his tail, when he asked if I wanted to pass, and that I could pass next > corner. He slowed down on the racing line going into the corner, but I > wasnt prepared to change my line and ended up punting him. Real sorry > again Larry :( > Apologies to bluestringer as well for sending you in the wall last corner > last lap. I didnt hear/feel a thing and was holding my line but in my > replay I can see you suddenly flying sideways :( > Real shame cause we had some very nice close racing with 4 cars that last > couple laps. > > Cheers, jurjen

Hehe :) Thanks :) I practiced a _lot_ for that race. Even though I didn't qualify well for the main, I thought I had a real strong chance of winning if I could stay out of trouble. Unfortunately, it wasn't meant to be. There's always next week! I am suprised I won the practice race by 7+ seconds. I thought it was going to be closer than that! Durning my many hours of practice last week, I learned that you race that track with your ears and your right foot, keeping the steering out of it as much as possible. I also learned that you give up a bunch in 1 and 2 to save the tires, and use 3 and 4 to make up for it. To me, that was the secret. -Larry "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IVrrb.54333$[email hidden]...

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> good race. practice race was pretty good too, but in was more like Larry > putting on an exhibition than a race. :) > > "grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Good race all in all for the Grubbat Dodge. We managed to finish 3th > behind > > ginger and joonli. Sorry bout the mess in the pits Kyle. I believe I

could > > have caught Ginger in about another 10 laps but, considering the track > > surface and the hard charging the last 20 laps, that was proballywishful > > thinking. Bluestringer had a good car and I dont know how he went a lap > down > > midway. Good thing about it was that everyone got their lap back before > the > > mad 20 lap dash. I believe there were two or maybe there yellows.Someone > > wanted to do a restart at the beginning, but I dont think that wouldhave

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> > been a good idea. I hate it for the guys that got caught up in that one. > See > > yall at homestead. > > grub > > > > > >

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>We had one or two who didn't want to restart, so we didn't do it. On the >rare occasion that a restart is suggested, I think it might be best if we go >ahead with it if an overwhelming majority wants it during a quick "y" or "n" >poll using chat. Another reason we didn't do it (discussed using TS) is >because we thought Brian had already disconnected. We also didn't know Jan >had severe damage and would have to leave if no restart. After you both >disconnected, some of us mentioned that you two should probably try and get >on TS. It would of helped us all make our decisions whether to restart, and >I'm sure I would have done it if I'd known the two of you would be lost for >the race. > >Restart requests have been very rare in RASCAR, so if something really >unusual happens on lap1, I don't see the big deal in a restart if most >agree.

I do need to get on TS, just haven't had the time... However, it was probably good Sat. that I didn't have it... didn't have a whole lot of good things too say. :) BTW, I didn't vote on the restart because obviously I wanted a RS, but thought it best left up to those that were impartial. I also think we need a hard and fast rule. In another league I race in if once the leader completes a lap, no restarts are permitted but we will do them if we wreck on the first lap before leader completes a lap. Normally we don't do re-starts in RASCAR and I am undecided on the subject and given the last race it is kinda hard to have an unbiased opinion on it right now. Nothing is worse than starting 3rd and get getting punted on the first lap... well maybe starting 1st or 2nd... Also, sorry to Jan for not acknowledging your apology, I was pretty steamed and was trying to sort it all out before I responded and decided I needed to cool down before typing anything. You didn't need to apologize though, you were as much, if not more, a victim of the whole thing than I was. Brian Oster

You are exactly right. The secret is out now. Make sure to put this in your notebook. :) grub . I also learned that you give up a bunch in 1 and 2 to

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> save the tires, and use 3 and 4 to make up for it. > > To me, that was the secret. > > -Larry > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IVrrb.54333$[email hidden]... > > good race. practice race was pretty good too, but in was more like Larry > > putting on an exhibition than a race. :) > > > > "grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Good race all in all for the Grubbat Dodge. We managed to finish 3th > > behind > > > ginger and joonli. Sorry bout the mess in the pits Kyle. I believe I > could > > > have caught Ginger in about another 10 laps but, considering the track > > > surface and the hard charging the last 20 laps, that was probally > wishful > > > thinking. Bluestringer had a good car and I dont know how he went a

lap > > down > > > midway. Good thing about it was that everyone got their lap backbefore > > the > > > mad 20 lap dash. I believe there were two or maybe there yellows. > Someone > > > wanted to do a restart at the beginning, but I dont think that would > have > > > been a good idea. I hate it for the guys that got caught up in thatone.

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> > See > > > yall at homestead. > > > grub > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > <snip> > We had one or two who didn't want to restart, so we didn't > do it. On the rare occasion that a restart is suggested, I > think it might be best if we go ahead with it if an > overwhelming majority wants it during a quick "y" or "n" > poll using chat. Another reason we didn't do it (discussed > using TS) is because we thought Brian had already > disconnected. We also didn't know Jan had severe damage and > would have to leave if no restart.

Even if you have someone present to make the calls who's not racing himself it's hard to get an overview of the situation, never mind when the person(s) in charge are in the race. My advice in this matter is predictable: make the call and do it. If you give people the opportunity to say no, some will and that only delays matters. At the time I would have appreciated a restart as I felt Brian and myself were dealt a bum hand by the game, but I don't want a race restarted just because *I* was involved either, if you know what I mean. I was comfortable with accepting my faith. > After you both disconnected, some of us mentioned that you > two should probably try and get on TS. It would of helped us > all make our decisions whether to restart, and I'm sure I > would have done it if I'd known the two of you would be lost > for the race. I have two reasons for not using TS: I don't like using headphones to race and, from reports on the use of TS here and on the forum, there is entirely too much talking going on for me not to get annoyed. > <snip> Jan. =---

When all of this "TALKING" took place I was asking Robert why he was the only one in front of me that didnt pass the pace car when we took the yellow flag. I was way back and didnt see the two others pit. Robert was simply explaining to me (UNDER YELLOW) why I was directly behind him and not at the front. We werent just yappin about the weather. I had heard Dave and Larry talking about a BF but I was still sitting in the pits getting fixed up. By the time I got back on the track the green was just about to fly and I was still on the BS. As I came around T4 I saw one car low entering the pits but I wasnt real sure what was going on. No sooner than the green flies and I get a BF. I was pissed off and didnt hear my spooter say say stop n go. My day was officially over at that point and I had things to do anyway. RASCAR has restarted races in the past but we don't have a rule one way or the other. If EVERYONE had agreed to the restart then we would have. I heard at least 2 guys say they didnt want a restart and IMO it was less fair to restart at that point. Say we did restart, then suppose we had a 2nd lap wreck that took out 5-10 cars, should we then go into restart cycle until everyone is satisfied? I dont think so. 1st lap wrecks suck but really it could happen to any of us. Im more for a rule against restarts than trying to make everyone happy because obviously with this group youre NEVER going to make everyone happy EVER!. Mitch "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TOKrb.15885$[email hidden]...

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> "David G Fisher" wrote... > > > <snip> > > We had one or two who didn't want to restart, so we didn't > > do it. On the rare occasion that a restart is suggested, I > > think it might be best if we go ahead with it if an > > overwhelming majority wants it during a quick "y" or "n" > > poll using chat. Another reason we didn't do it (discussed > > using TS) is because we thought Brian had already > > disconnected. We also didn't know Jan had severe damage and > > would have to leave if no restart. > > Even if you have someone present to make the calls who's not racing

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> in charge are in the race. > > My advice in this matter is predictable: make the call and do it. If you > give people the opportunity to say no, some will and that only delays > matters. > > At the time I would have appreciated a restart as I felt Brian and myself > were dealt a bum hand by the game, but I don't want a race restarted just > because *I* was involved either, if you know what I mean. I was

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> with accepting my faith. > > > > After you both disconnected, some of us mentioned that you > > two should probably try and get on TS. It would of helped us > > all make our decisions whether to restart, and I'm sure I > > would have done it if I'd known the two of you would be lost > > for the race. > > I have two reasons for not using TS: I don't like using headphones to race > and, from reports on the use of TS here and on the forum, there is

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> too much talking going on for me not to get annoyed. > > > <snip> > > Jan. > =--- > >

How about we do a compromise here for the future: ONE restart is allowed to get everyone in the field. ONE restart is allowed if something bad happens on the first lap. AFTER the leader takes the first lap at the line, NO restarts are allowed. That should cover the 2 most common needs for a restart, and also set a hard-limit on when and if they are allowed. Our first-lap incidents have actually been quite low. I think this would cover the odd times, and set a pre-defined limit so there is no need to even talk about it beyond a certain point. Waddaya think ? -Larry "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:14:11 -0500, "David G Fisher" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >We had one or two who didn't want to restart, so we didn't do it. On the > >rare occasion that a restart is suggested, I think it might be best if wego > >ahead with it if an overwhelming majority wants it during a quick "y" or"n" > >poll using chat. Another reason we didn't do it (discussed using TS) is > >because we thought Brian had already disconnected. We also didn't knowJan > >had severe damage and would have to leave if no restart. After you both > >disconnected, some of us mentioned that you two should probably try andget > >on TS. It would of helped us all make our decisions whether to restart,and > >I'm sure I would have done it if I'd known the two of you would be lostfor

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> >the race. > > > >Restart requests have been very rare in RASCAR, so if something really > >unusual happens on lap1, I don't see the big deal in a restart if most > >agree. > > I do need to get on TS, just haven't had the time... However, it was > probably good Sat. that I didn't have it... didn't have a whole lot of > good things too say. :) BTW, I didn't vote on the restart because > obviously I wanted a RS, but thought it best left up to those that > were impartial. I also think we need a hard and fast rule. In > another league I race in if once the leader completes a lap, no > restarts are permitted but we will do them if we wreck on the first > lap before leader completes a lap. Normally we don't do re-starts in > RASCAR and I am undecided on the subject and given the last race it is > kinda hard to have an unbiased opinion on it right now. Nothing is > worse than starting 3rd and get getting punted on the first lap... > well maybe starting 1st or 2nd... > > Also, sorry to Jan for not acknowledging your apology, I was pretty > steamed and was trying to sort it all out before I responded and > decided I needed to cool down before typing anything. You didn't need > to apologize though, you were as much, if not more, a victim of the > whole thing than I was. > > Brian Oster

I would rather see NO restarts. It never fails, if you make it through the first wreck youre almost gauranteed to get caught up in the second time around ;-). Is that fair? "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:maQrb.4273$5e.1425@lakeread06...

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> How about we do a compromise here for the future: > > ONE restart is allowed to get everyone in the field. > ONE restart is allowed if something bad happens on the first lap. > AFTER the leader takes the first lap at the line, NO restarts are allowed. > > That should cover the 2 most common needs for a restart, and also set a > hard-limit on when and if they are allowed. > > Our first-lap incidents have actually been quite low. I think this would > cover the odd times, and set a pre-defined limit so there is no need to

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> talk about it beyond a certain point. > > Waddaya think ? > > -Larry > > "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:14:11 -0500, "David G Fisher" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >We had one or two who didn't want to restart, so we didn't do it. On

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> "n" > > >poll using chat. Another reason we didn't do it (discussed using TS) is > > >because we thought Brian had already disconnected. We also didn't know > Jan > > >had severe damage and would have to leave if no restart. After you both > > >disconnected, some of us mentioned that you two should probably try and > get > > >on TS. It would of helped us all make our decisions whether to restart, > and > > >I'm sure I would have done it if I'd known the two of you would be lost > for > > >the race. > > > > > >Restart requests have been very rare in RASCAR, so if something really > > >unusual happens on lap1, I don't see the big deal in a restart if most > > >agree. > > > > I do need to get on TS, just haven't had the time... However, it was > > probably good Sat. that I didn't have it... didn't have a whole lot of > > good things too say. :) BTW, I didn't vote on the restart because > > obviously I wanted a RS, but thought it best left up to those that > > were impartial. I also think we need a hard and fast rule. In > > another league I race in if once the leader completes a lap, no > > restarts are permitted but we will do them if we wreck on the first > > lap before leader completes a lap. Normally we don't do re-starts in > > RASCAR and I am undecided on the subject and given the last race it is > > kinda hard to have an unbiased opinion on it right now. Nothing is > > worse than starting 3rd and get getting punted on the first lap... > > well maybe starting 1st or 2nd... > > > > Also, sorry to Jan for not acknowledging your apology, I was pretty > > steamed and was trying to sort it all out before I responded and > > decided I needed to cool down before typing anything. You didn't need > > to apologize though, you were as much, if not more, a victim of the > > whole thing than I was. > > > > Brian Oster > >

Just a suggestion. I'll roll with whatever is decided. I have no hard feelings either way. -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2mQrb.2937$[email hidden]... > I would rather see NO restarts. It never fails, if you make it throughthe

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> first wreck youre almost gauranteed to get caught up in the second time > around ;-). Is that fair? > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:maQrb.4273$5e.1425@lakeread06... > > How about we do a compromise here for the future: > > > > ONE restart is allowed to get everyone in the field. > > ONE restart is allowed if something bad happens on the first lap. > > AFTER the leader takes the first lap at the line, NO restarts are

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> > cover the odd times, and set a pre-defined limit so there is no need to > even > > talk about it beyond a certain point. > > > > Waddaya think ? > > > > -Larry > > > > "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:14:11 -0500, "David G Fisher" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >We had one or two who didn't want to restart, so we didn't do it. On > the > > > >rare occasion that a restart is suggested, I think it might be best

if > we > > go > > > >ahead with it if an overwhelming majority wants it during a quick "y" > or > > "n" > > > >poll using chat. Another reason we didn't do it (discussed using TS)is > > > >because we thought Brian had already disconnected. We also didn'tknow > > Jan > > > >had severe damage and would have to leave if no restart. After youboth > > > >disconnected, some of us mentioned that you two should probably tryand > > get > > > >on TS. It would of helped us all make our decisions whether torestart, > > and > > > >I'm sure I would have done it if I'd known the two of you would belost > > for > > > >the race. > > > > > > > >Restart requests have been very rare in RASCAR, so if somethingreally > > > >unusual happens on lap1, I don't see the big deal in a restart ifmost

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> > > >agree. > > > > > > I do need to get on TS, just haven't had the time... However, it was > > > probably good Sat. that I didn't have it... didn't have a whole lot of > > > good things too say. :) BTW, I didn't vote on the restart because > > > obviously I wanted a RS, but thought it best left up to those that > > > were impartial. I also think we need a hard and fast rule. In > > > another league I race in if once the leader completes a lap, no > > > restarts are permitted but we will do them if we wreck on the first > > > lap before leader completes a lap. Normally we don't do re-starts in > > > RASCAR and I am undecided on the subject and given the last race it is > > > kinda hard to have an unbiased opinion on it right now. Nothing is > > > worse than starting 3rd and get getting punted on the first lap... > > > well maybe starting 1st or 2nd... > > > > > > Also, sorry to Jan for not acknowledging your apology, I was pretty > > > steamed and was trying to sort it all out before I responded and > > > decided I needed to cool down before typing anything. You didn't need > > > to apologize though, you were as much, if not more, a victim of the > > > whole thing than I was. > > > > > > Brian Oster > > > > > >

It isn't quite that simple. In my other league this actually happened before we came up with a rule: First lap, couple of guys wreck so we re-start. On the restart I went to shift into 4th and had not 4th gear so my day was effectively done. We ended up re-starting again and all was ok, but if we had had the one-restart rule the guys that messed up the first lap got a second chance, and through no fault of my own I would have been screwed. I think like Mitch said later in this thread, we may just want to avoid the whole re-start mess. Brian On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:55:42 -0500, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>How about we do a compromise here for the future: > >ONE restart is allowed to get everyone in the field. >ONE restart is allowed if something bad happens on the first lap. >AFTER the leader takes the first lap at the line, NO restarts are allowed. > >That should cover the 2 most common needs for a restart, and also set a >hard-limit on when and if they are allowed. > >Our first-lap incidents have actually been quite low. I think this would >cover the odd times, and set a pre-defined limit so there is no need to even >talk about it beyond a certain point. > >Waddaya think ? > >-Larry > >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:14:11 -0500, "David G Fisher" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >We had one or two who didn't want to restart, so we didn't do it. On the >> >rare occasion that a restart is suggested, I think it might be best if we >go >> >ahead with it if an overwhelming majority wants it during a quick "y" or >"n" >> >poll using chat. Another reason we didn't do it (discussed using TS) is >> >because we thought Brian had already disconnected. We also didn't know >Jan >> >had severe damage and would have to leave if no restart. After you both >> >disconnected, some of us mentioned that you two should probably try and >get >> >on TS. It would of helped us all make our decisions whether to restart, >and >> >I'm sure I would have done it if I'd known the two of you would be lost >for >> >the race. >> > >> >Restart requests have been very rare in RASCAR, so if something really >> >unusual happens on lap1, I don't see the big deal in a restart if most >> >agree. >> >> I do need to get on TS, just haven't had the time... However, it was >> probably good Sat. that I didn't have it... didn't have a whole lot of >> good things too say. :) BTW, I didn't vote on the restart because >> obviously I wanted a RS, but thought it best left up to those that >> were impartial. I also think we need a hard and fast rule. In >> another league I race in if once the leader completes a lap, no >> restarts are permitted but we will do them if we wreck on the first >> lap before leader completes a lap. Normally we don't do re-starts in >> RASCAR and I am undecided on the subject and given the last race it is >> kinda hard to have an unbiased opinion on it right now. Nothing is >> worse than starting 3rd and get getting punted on the first lap... >> well maybe starting 1st or 2nd... >> >> Also, sorry to Jan for not acknowledging your apology, I was pretty >> steamed and was trying to sort it all out before I responded and >> decided I needed to cool down before typing anything. You didn't need >> to apologize though, you were as much, if not more, a victim of the >> whole thing than I was. >> >> Brian Oster >

Like I said, I don't really care. I'll roll with whatever goes down. -Larry "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It isn't quite that simple. In my other league this actually happened > before we came up with a rule: > > First lap, couple of guys wreck so we re-start. On the restart I went > to shift into 4th and had not 4th gear so my day was effectively done. > We ended up re-starting again and all was ok, but if we had had the > one-restart rule the guys that messed up the first lap got a second > chance, and through no fault of my own I would have been screwed. I > think like Mitch said later in this thread, we may just want to avoid > the whole re-start mess. > > Brian > > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:55:42 -0500, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >How about we do a compromise here for the future: > > > >ONE restart is allowed to get everyone in the field. > >ONE restart is allowed if something bad happens on the first lap. > >AFTER the leader takes the first lap at the line, NO restarts are

allowed. > > > >That should cover the 2 most common needs for a restart, and also set a > >hard-limit on when and if they are allowed. > > > >Our first-lap incidents have actually been quite low. I think this would > >cover the odd times, and set a pre-defined limit so there is no need toeven

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> >talk about it beyond a certain point. > > > >Waddaya think ? > > > >-Larry > > > >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:14:11 -0500, "David G Fisher" > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >We had one or two who didn't want to restart, so we didn't do it. On

the > >> >rare occasion that a restart is suggested, I think it might be best ifwe > >go > >> >ahead with it if an overwhelming majority wants it during a quick "y"or > >"n" > >> >poll using chat. Another reason we didn't do it (discussed using TS)is > >> >because we thought Brian had already disconnected. We also didn't know > >Jan > >> >had severe damage and would have to leave if no restart. After youboth > >> >disconnected, some of us mentioned that you two should probably tryand > >get > >> >on TS. It would of helped us all make our decisions whether torestart, > >and > >> >I'm sure I would have done it if I'd known the two of you would belost

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> >for > >> >the race. > >> > > >> >Restart requests have been very rare in RASCAR, so if something really > >> >unusual happens on lap1, I don't see the big deal in a restart if most > >> >agree. > >> > >> I do need to get on TS, just haven't had the time... However, it was > >> probably good Sat. that I didn't have it... didn't have a whole lot of > >> good things too say. :) BTW, I didn't vote on the restart because > >> obviously I wanted a RS, but thought it best left up to those that > >> were impartial. I also think we need a hard and fast rule. In > >> another league I race in if once the leader completes a lap, no > >> restarts are permitted but we will do them if we wreck on the first > >> lap before leader completes a lap. Normally we don't do re-starts in > >> RASCAR and I am undecided on the subject and given the last race it is > >> kinda hard to have an unbiased opinion on it right now. Nothing is > >> worse than starting 3rd and get getting punted on the first lap... > >> well maybe starting 1st or 2nd... > >> > >> Also, sorry to Jan for not acknowledging your apology, I was pretty > >> steamed and was trying to sort it all out before I responded and > >> decided I needed to cool down before typing anything. You didn't need > >> to apologize though, you were as much, if not more, a victim of the > >> whole thing than I was. > >> > >> Brian Oster > > >

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2mQrb.2937$[email hidden]... > I would rather see NO restarts. It never fails, if you make it throughthe > first wreck youre almost gauranteed to get caught up in the second time > around ;-). Is that fair? > > I agree with this. Nothing quite so annoying as driving your ass off first lap or two to avoid mayhem and having the race reset just as you get in the clear.

I kinda feel that restarts breeds bad 1st lap behavior. Even though this wasn't the case this past weekend, that is how I feel. I could have benefited from a couple of restarts this year, but never asked because that is fate. I hate it for the guys that got taken out, but thats just the way it is. grub "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0iQrb.2936$[email hidden]... > When all of this "TALKING" took place I was asking Robert why he was the > only one in front of me that didnt pass the pace car when we took theyellow > flag. I was way back and didnt see the two others pit. Robert was simply > explaining to me (UNDER YELLOW) why I was directly behind him and not atthe > front. We werent just yappin about the weather. > > I had heard Dave and Larry talking about a BF but I was still sitting inthe > pits getting fixed up. By the time I got back on the track the green was > just about to fly and I was still on the BS. As I came around T4 I sawone > car low entering the pits but I wasnt real sure what was going on. No > sooner than the green flies and I get a BF. I was pissed off and didnthear > my spooter say say stop n go. My day was officially over at that pointand > I had things to do anyway. > > RASCAR has restarted races in the past but we don't have a rule one way or > the other. If EVERYONE had agreed to the restart then we would have. I > heard at least 2 guys say they didnt want a restart and IMO it was lessfair > to restart at that point. Say we did restart, then suppose we had a 2ndlap > wreck that took out 5-10 cars, should we then go into restart cycle until > everyone is satisfied? I dont think so. 1st lap wrecks suck but reallyit > could happen to any of us. Im more for a rule against restarts thantrying

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> to make everyone happy because obviously with this group youre NEVER going > to make everyone happy EVER!. > > Mitch > > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:TOKrb.15885$[email hidden]... > > "David G Fisher" wrote... > > > > <snip> > > > We had one or two who didn't want to restart, so we didn't > > > do it. On the rare occasion that a restart is suggested, I > > > think it might be best if we go ahead with it if an > > > overwhelming majority wants it during a quick "y" or "n" > > > poll using chat. Another reason we didn't do it (discussed > > > using TS) is because we thought Brian had already > > > disconnected. We also didn't know Jan had severe damage and > > > would have to leave if no restart. > > > > Even if you have someone present to make the calls who's not racing > himself > > it's hard to get an overview of the situation, never mind when the > person(s) > > in charge are in the race. > > > > My advice in this matter is predictable: make the call and do it. If you > > give people the opportunity to say no, some will and that only delays > > matters. > > > > At the time I would have appreciated a restart as I felt Brian and

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> > because *I* was involved either, if you know what I mean. I was > comfortable > > with accepting my faith. > > > > > > > After you both disconnected, some of us mentioned that you > > > two should probably try and get on TS. It would of helped us > > > all make our decisions whether to restart, and I'm sure I > > > would have done it if I'd known the two of you would be lost > > > for the race. > > > > I have two reasons for not using TS: I don't like using headphones to

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> > and, from reports on the use of TS here and on the forum, there is > entirely > > too much talking going on for me not to get annoyed. > > > > > <snip> > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > > > >

take your lumps with your sugar as they say. I know it sucks really bad for those that got put out before we even got started Saturday. I've been there. You have my condolences. "grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I kinda feel that restarts breeds bad 1st lap behavior. Even though this > wasn't the case this past weekend, that is how I feel. I could have > benefited from a couple of restarts this year, but never asked becausethat

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> is fate. I hate it for the guys that got taken out, but thats just the way > it is. > grub > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0iQrb.2936$[email hidden]... > > When all of this "TALKING" took place I was asking Robert why he was the > > only one in front of me that didnt pass the pace car when we took the > yellow > > flag. I was way back and didnt see the two others pit. Robert was

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> > explaining to me (UNDER YELLOW) why I was directly behind him and not at > the > > front. We werent just yappin about the weather. > > > > I had heard Dave and Larry talking about a BF but I was still sitting in > the > > pits getting fixed up. By the time I got back on the track the green

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> > just about to fly and I was still on the BS. As I came around T4 I saw > one > > car low entering the pits but I wasnt real sure what was going on. No > > sooner than the green flies and I get a BF. I was pissed off and didnt > hear > > my spooter say say stop n go. My day was officially over at that point > and > > I had things to do anyway. > > > > RASCAR has restarted races in the past but we don't have a rule one way

or > > the other. If EVERYONE had agreed to the restart then we would have. I > > heard at least 2 guys say they didnt want a restart and IMO it was less > fair > > to restart at that point. Say we did restart, then suppose we had a 2nd > lap > > wreck that took out 5-10 cars, should we then go into restart cycleuntil > > everyone is satisfied? I dont think so. 1st lap wrecks suck but really > it > > could happen to any of us. Im more for a rule against restarts than > trying > > to make everyone happy because obviously with this group youre NEVERgoing

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> > to make everyone happy EVER!. > > > > Mitch > > > > > > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:TOKrb.15885$[email hidden]... > > > "David G Fisher" wrote... > > > > > <snip> > > > > We had one or two who didn't want to restart, so we didn't > > > > do it. On the rare occasion that a restart is suggested, I > > > > think it might be best if we go ahead with it if an > > > > overwhelming majority wants it during a quick "y" or "n" > > > > poll using chat. Another reason we didn't do it (discussed > > > > using TS) is because we thought Brian had already > > > > disconnected. We also didn't know Jan had severe damage and > > > > would have to leave if no restart. > > > > > > Even if you have someone present to make the calls who's not racing > > himself > > > it's hard to get an overview of the situation, never mind when the > > person(s) > > > in charge are in the race. > > > > > > My advice in this matter is predictable: make the call and do it. If

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> > > give people the opportunity to say no, some will and that only delays > > > matters. > > > > > > At the time I would have appreciated a restart as I felt Brian and > myself > > > were dealt a bum hand by the game, but I don't want a race restarted > just > > > because *I* was involved either, if you know what I mean. I was > > comfortable > > > with accepting my faith. > > > > > > > > > > After you both disconnected, some of us mentioned that you > > > > two should probably try and get on TS. It would of helped us > > > > all make our decisions whether to restart, and I'm sure I > > > > would have done it if I'd known the two of you would be lost > > > > for the race. > > > > > > I have two reasons for not using TS: I don't like using headphones to > race > > > and, from reports on the use of TS here and on the forum, there is > > entirely > > > too much talking going on for me not to get annoyed. > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > Jan. > > > =--- > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> How about we do a compromise here for the future: > > ONE restart is allowed to get everyone in the field. > ONE restart is allowed if something bad happens on the first lap. > AFTER the leader takes the first lap at the line, NO restarts are > allowed. >

Restarts should only be for technical reasons...If a driver got disco'd or the server crashed. It's pure bs to have hotshots wreck on lap one and then scream for a restart while a slower guy motors through to the front. If you go for restarts, you might as well turn off the damage too and click the arcade checkbox. dave (who doesn't race Rascar but feels JUST as passionately about this as driving from the....oops wrong topic...)henrie

"Brian Oster" wrote... > > <snip> > I do need to get on TS, just haven't had the time... However, > it was probably good Sat. that I didn't have it... didn't have > a whole lot of good things too say. :) I'm sorry about nailing you... there was just no warning. As we went down into 1-2 I was thinking "we're getting the hang of this, nice start!". Then, along the backstretch I was thinking the no passing/line switching rule until BS rule was a good one, but we might need to look at extending the no-fly zone to a lap for shorter tracks. Then we get into 3 and the section of the line-up I'm in is still two wide and fairly tightly packed, so I go a little higher to see around #04 and there's you parked square across the road. No warning, nowhere to go.... WHAMMO! Then, after the incident and noticing the engine was a goner (you've already escaped out or towed), the spotter goes "There's an accident in turn 3, got one stopped up high." as if he's warning me for the incident I've just been in and telling me I'm blocking my path. Very weird, very, very annoying. > BTW, I didn't vote on the restart because obviously I wanted > a RS, but thought it best left up to those that were impartial. Ditto... I didn't think benificiaries should vote on such matters. > <snip> I have no opinion on whether there should be a rule governing restarts. > Also, sorry to Jan for not acknowledging your apology, I was > pretty steamed and was trying to sort it all out before I > responded and decided I needed to cool down before typing > anything. You didn't need to apologize though, you were as > much, if not more, a victim of the whole thing than I was. No problem Brian. Jan. =---