Hi...
I happened to read a review of the Papy's Nascar 3.... seems
there is some disappointment that Papy have shied away from
using the cutting edge GPL physics engine that most people
thought they would use! .... Just a snippet of the review
posted here, read the rest at.....
[link lost in import: /,6,0-3184,00.html]
Snippet from Gamecenter review>>>
.............. In a move that's bound to infuriate
hard-core sim enthusiasts just as surely as please the
majority of racers, Papyrus has backed away from its promise
to base its latest NASCAR game on the authentic yet
oh-so-difficult Grand Prix Legends physics engine.
Why? According to project director Dave Matson, "It was a
combination of factors, including the high system
requirements, the hardware-only graphics engine, and, to some
degree, the difficulty of the sim. We didn't want to leave the
majority of our fans behind."
Instead, NASCAR 3 features a modified version of the NASCAR
2 engine, showing that underneath that big shell sits a true
race car, not the wheeled blimp of the past iterations. I, for
one, celebrate the improved maneuverability and driving
options, but it's a shame that the
tough but amazing Grand Prix Legends engine wasn't worked into
the mix.
<<<snippet end
That is a shame, I was looking forward to N3, but if they have
have traded realism for 'ease of playabillity' to satisfy
those people that can't be bothered to learn to drive it, I
probably won't bother....! Oh well, at least we are lucky
enough to have GPL.
Dave Hawnt
...."If you finish 2nd, you are the first of the losers!"
Is NASCAR Racing 3 a game or a simulation?
Prompted by a review that criticised Papyrus for not using the GPL physics engine, Rexv called N3 essentially an arcade game. Ken Beard and others defended it and listed GPL's own unrealistic features. Philster argued that buyers should have known from previews what N3 would be, while Rexv said nothing on the box said it was an N2 upgrade.
Automated summary.
The GPL engine thing is old, and stale news. Sorry, but frankly I'm getting
tired of hearing about it.
The review was pretty accurate, though.
-Larry
N3 is basically an arcade game with extra adjustability built in..
only it's not that good as an arcade game either. It's certainly not
much in the genre of a sim..
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Just because YOU don't like it - doesn't make it an arcade game in any way.
Does it have GPL's physics? No. Neither does it let you magically recover
from a crash with Shift-R, slide along an Armco at high speeds with no
damage to actually *gain* speed, ignore pitstops entirely, etc. like a
certain other sim. GPL has great physics, but has SEVERAL things which are
extremely unrealistic in simulating an actual '67 Grand Prix race.
The thing is, you're one of the people ***ing about Papy doing a NASCAR
sim in the first place - I remember posts rambling on about NasCrap,***
Trickle, and "real racing", how you're tired of rednecks, etc. ,etc. - I
have a strong feeling you don't have the first frigging clue about what goes
on in an actual NASCAR race, so should be quite unqualified to comment on a
sim based on the series. You don't like NASCAR, don't understand NASCAR, so
more than likely won't get a NASCAR sim. That after several tirades against
NASCAR and Papy doing a sim on said series, you still went out and bought
the game - why? Only to trash it, pure and simple - from reading through
some of your posts pre-release there was no way you'd like the sim, even if
it was based on the GPL engine and made your coffee each morning.
Is it perfect? No. Will it be nice to have a NASCAR sim based on the GPL
engine at a playable framerate? Sure, but that time certainly is in the
future. Is N3 an arcade game? Hardly.
--
Ken's Sig 3.0
"Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan
Kenobi
Go #43 and #44!
volksy (at) geocities (dot) com
volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com
>>That is a shame, I was looking forward to N3, but if they have
>>have traded realism for 'ease of playabillity' to satisfy
>>those people that can't be bothered to learn to drive it, I
>>probably won't bother....! Oh well, at least we are lucky
>>enough to have GPL.
>N3 is basically an arcade game with extra adjustability built in..
>only it's not that good as an arcade game either. It's certainly not
>much in the genre of a sim..
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>Hydrogen and Stupidity.. The two most universal elements
there were no such thing as pit stops in 67 except to fix the car. no gas,
no tires simply because there was no need. "rail riding" is a novice level
phenomenon. and shift-r is only allowed in the lower levels.
nascar 3 is just a purdy version of n2 which was a purdy version of etc.,
the pictures or SKINS just got better. why can't n3 accept more then 4
joystick buttons? because...(see last sentence). some people might enjoy
nascar3 and that is great for them, but it is an arcade racer. plain and
simple (game and reason). the short comings of n3 that exclude it from a
SIMULATOR or even a good arcade racing game are much to long to list, but a
short list is: do nascars have anti lock brakes? NO. why can you turn full
left and full right down the straights at full speed to no ill effect?. I
have never played n3 online so I am sure that I am missing some fun. I
logged many hours into n1 and do not want to play it anymore. I have played
true arcade racing games that were more accurate that n3, even the nascar or
stock car ones.
> --
> Ken's Sig 3.0
> "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan
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> Kenobi > Go #43 and #44! > volksy (at) geocities (dot) com > volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com > >>That is a shame, I was looking forward to N3, but if they have > >>have traded realism for 'ease of playabillity' to satisfy > >>those people that can't be bothered to learn to drive it, I > >>probably won't bother....! Oh well, at least we are lucky > >>enough to have GPL. > >N3 is basically an arcade game with extra adjustability built in.. > >only it's not that good as an arcade game either. It's certainly not > >much in the genre of a sim.. > >____________________ > >Hydrogen and Stupidity.. The two most universal elementsOn Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:34:23 -0400, Philster
>"Sigh" You got exactly what was advertised. Papyrus advertised that N3
>would be using the N2 engine with updated graphics, right? You knew that
>from the start. If you bought the game, you accept the fact, no? I
>bought the game, and certainly enjoy the new sounds, improved graphics
>(smoke anyone?), higher resolution (640X480 only wasn't very good on my
>19" monitor). I don't know why people still complain about it.
Okay, I hear this a lot. "You got what was advertised".. WHERE? Where
did Papyrus write all over the place that this is simply an upgrade of
N2? Certainly not on the box. I don't read gamer magazines! I just
found this newsgroup and I hardly see any posts signed Papyrus in
here. On the box it certainly doesn't say "We are using everything
from Nascar 2 but with better graphics" or else you know they wouldn't
sell many. Where in the heck is it written that N3 is advertised as
N2 with upgrades??
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On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:29:04 -0400, "Ken Beard"
>Just because YOU don't like it - doesn't make it an arcade game in any way.
Comparing it to arcades and to other sims this one falls more under
the arcades than the sims. Why? Play the game! The physics are
certainly under arcade rules including the smash each other around
with next to no consequences. That Daytona arcade game is about the
same.
The sliding along the barriers without damage happens quite a lot.
Only perhaps one in 10 times might you actually lose the bumper and
that's the only damage unless you actually SLAM into the walls. Then
again we can always have those races where the host chooses to turn
off player damage altogether. Shift-R is not required for that one now
is it? Btw, no-player-damage races seem to account for about 20% of
those that I see online. Ignore pitstops in GPL? Showing your lack of
knowledge here? There *WERE* no pitstops in the races back in the
'60's for anything other than fixing damage. Refueling? No. Tire
changes? Why unless it was flat and even then the single knock off's
didn't save you much in the way of time. While they are at it, try
the nice arcadish idea of cruising along flat-out down the straights
of Tally or any other track and crank the wheel from side to side and
nothing happens. It simply slowly changes lane from one side to the
other. Let's see Geoff Gordon try that one in reality and watch the
carnage. Even better, on the road courses the cars don't even turn
and getting the rear end to come around on you requires a leap of
faith. Where is all of that power going? Certainly not to the wheels!
The most realistic thing this arcade game offers is the sound of the
rattling metal within the chassis. That was done quite well and is a
great sound effect. Outside of that, not much about it seems to be an
arcade. Did you want to get into modifying the car? You can do that
in arcade's too.. and usually with more results between changes.
True, I do call it Nas***and even used to race (and win) under that
name when I held the game. I got it since everyone was touting how
fantastic the online racing was.. it wasn't. In fact it wasn't even a
challenge. Do I have no clue about Nascar? Hardly! Unfortunately the
more I learn about it the more I don't like it. Btw, from the crew's
and owners mouths themselves this series is about as fixed as a
WWF/WCW event.. but I'll bet you love those too.
Funny, I don't recall having any pre-release comments on N3 since I
never started posting in this group until about the time it came out.
That is, I wasn't even IN this newsgroup until about the day it was
released. Again, I bought the game looking for great online racing..
and online or off the racing sucked. If it had good physics, good
racing, etc. I would forgo the hype and enjoy the game for what it
was. Unfortunately it doesn't.
It could be done if they wanted to do it unfortunately they opted to
offer a $50 per box Patch instead of a new game. That is what this
game should have been marketted as; a downloadable patch that
increased the graphics to 1024x768 and offered some new sounds. After
all, that's what it ended up being didn't it?
Now maybe they will offer some patches to improve the online play,
variety of glitches, etc. Oh.. are not many of those glitches the
identical ones from N2? Hmm.. yep, a patch this game is.
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What is the AOE? Btw, I also find SCGT to be more of an arcade game.
It's nearly impossible to put a foot wrong in that game unless you
just never hit the brakes at the end of a straight.. The new WSC game
that seems to be in the works looks VERY promising though we'll have
to see how much of what is advertised actually makes it to product.
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Hydrogen and Stupidity.. The two most universal elements
Then go play GPL. If you don't like N3, donate it to someone who does.
-Larry
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> > That, of course, is the point. Neither could I :) > > -Larry > >> > The GPL engine thing is old, and stale news. > >> > Sorry, but frankly I'm getting > >> > tired of hearing about it. > >> Sorry but couldn't care less ... > Then get used to hearing it. Repeatedly. > The NASCAR[1,2,3] engine is outdated. It needs to be put out to pasture. > Papyrus' NASCAR franchise has become a game. Using the word "sim" > anywhere in it's description is a lie. > -- > -j.c.h.AOE stands for advanced options editor.
It allows you to change a few items to help the "sim" qualities of
scgt. One changes the grass from super sticky to slick, so if you do
put a foot wrong, sometimes you can recover, 2 it allows for 4
different levels of vehicle handling physics, and it allows you to
choose a front, rear, or 4 wheel drive car something else maybe, I'm
brain dead right now. You can find it at GT Insider.
have fun.!
dave henrie
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> >>SCGT, MTM, > >>Power slide, and I'm sure you can come up with more Sims that have a > >>better physics model then N2/ > >SCGT is more like an arcade game without the AOE. > What is the AOE? Btw, I also find SCGT to be more of an arcade game. > It's nearly impossible to put a foot wrong in that game unless you > just never hit the brakes at the end of a straight.. The new WSC game > that seems to be in the works looks VERY promising though we'll have > to see how much of what is advertised actually makes it to product. > ____________________ > Hydrogen and Stupidity.. The two most universal elementsOn Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:39:15 -0400, "Ken Beard"
I happen to play it as a '67 simulator as opposed to just another
racing game. Perhaps I'm amoung the few exceptions and that you do
have merit in this argument.
I would expect it to do more than meander from lane to lane when you
crank the wheel. In fact, this is so limiting that racing the road
courses is something of a joke. It just doesn't do it very well at
all in my opinion. It even brings to question the fun-value of racing
others on these venue's.
While I disagree as to whether or not N3 would qualify as a Sim I do
find your statements to be of high merit. Not many people can get in
and enjoy wheel to wheel racing on GPL as some just lack the
talent/experiance/patience to make an honest go of it where virtually
anyone can turn in top-5 competitive laps in N3 (give or take being
knocked out in the first lap or two by anything from misaplication of
throttle to the constant warping which magically puts another car at a
dead stop in front of you. Once underway, however, the wheel to wheel
racing can be rather fun as long as you find one of the few games
occupied by people who want to race instead of play bumper cars or
***. That's the other major downside to N3.. the people playing it.
A good 40% of the games are occupied by people with a serious attitude
problem! They totally freak out on anything and act like you are
insulting their manhood to be on the same track with them. For that
the GPL crowd is inherintly much more mature from my own experiances.
I've only met about 3 people in GPL that were not fun to run against.
For the racing experiance in general N3 seems to be more fun to most
though when you find a good game in GPL with equally matched people
it's even more of a blast. Lastly, with GPL when you win a race you
actually feel like you accomplished something. With N3 it's just time
to go get another drink and win the next one.
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>True enough. I think people just get tired of the "elite" GPL players >slamming on EVERYTHING else. What they miss is most people really get into >*driving* a GPL car, they really do. From reading this newsgroup, there's >hardly anyone that really *races* it as a sim of the '67 F1 season. People >are driving the same 5 tracks doing hotlaps, and haven't even seen some of >the tracks in the sim a year after it's release. Many never race against >the AI, simply hotlap or run against 5-10 other people online.Quoted text (18 lines)
>On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:34:23 -0400, Philster >>"Sigh" You got exactly what was advertised. Papyrus advertised that N3 >>would be using the N2 engine with updated graphics, right? You knew that >>from the start. If you bought the game, you accept the fact, no? I >>bought the game, and certainly enjoy the new sounds, improved graphics >>(smoke anyone?), higher resolution (640X480 only wasn't very good on my >>19" monitor). I don't know why people still complain about it. >Okay, I hear this a lot. "You got what was advertised".. WHERE? Where >did Papyrus write all over the place that this is simply an upgrade of >N2? Certainly not on the box. I don't read gamer magazines! I just >found this newsgroup and I hardly see any posts signed Papyrus in >here. On the box it certainly doesn't say "We are using everything >from Nascar 2 but with better graphics" or else you know they wouldn't >sell many. Where in the heck is it written that N3 is advertised as >N2 with upgrades??>Glad you got to experience some NASCAR racing in person - it is MUCH
>different than on TV. And I hope you had a good time here in C***te (my
>hometown). Hope you enjoy N3, and it doesn't take too long to cross the
>ocean - and that GP3, if good of course, doesn't take too long to get over
>here :-)
C***te was fantastic. The atmos was superb. It was the October race in
'97 that Bobby Labonte was walking until he got caught up in someone else's
mess. Dale Jarrett went on to win. The weather was fantastic - clear and
sunny with a dry heat (it gets unbearably humid here at times). What really
impressed me were the facilities. Didn't take too long to get a burger or
find a urinal :-) and traffic was a snip considering there were apparently
over 140000 spectators. Hell, I think it took me longer to get out of a
cold and damp Silverstone after an F1 practice session and there must have
only been about 100 people there.
I managed to get ripped off by buying tickets privately over the net from a
RASN poster - someone else had the exact same tickets as us and it was their
name on the CMS records. The folks at CMS managed to find us seats that
were very nearly as good and didn't charge us a thing. Excellent PR.
I'd love to make it back to C***te someday...
Oops, going off topic - sorry.
Cheers
Mark
Reading, UK
Hey, that's me! Well, haven't actually won a championship, but I've
just started my second season at Grand Prix level. First season was
pretty appauling race wise. Despite getting pole in 10 out of 11 races
I failed to finish any of them. :-(
Mind you I've just completed Kyalami in a new championship finishing
first, 2 seconds ahead of Jim Clarke. I should have won by a country
mile but spun out twice, fortunately avoiding doing any damage though.
Got passed him on the penultimate lap when he got held up trying to lap
Surtees and took a ridiculous line through one of the corners - don't
remember which - in an idiotic overtaking attempt.
Just finished qualifying at Monaco and am on pole again. :-) Maybe this
season...
Truth is, I'm sure there are others, though I may be one of a small,
exclusive club who enjoying playing offline this way.
By the way, bought and played N2 to death and will be buying N3 when it
appears here in the UK.
--
Peter Ives
Where have you been all that time? Have you read previews about the
game? How about comments from people in this newsgroup who played a beta
version? You're quick to point out: "advertised. I hear people say that
all the time" but you're blind when it comes to comments regarding the
game. Everybody kwew the game would use the N2 engine, not the GPL
engine. Papy doesn't have to mention it on the box. If you're in this
newsgroup, we have been bombarded to death with post about this in the
past 6 months... Wow. Maybe Papyrus didn't "advertise" it directly, but
for God's sake, don't tell me you didn't know this.
Bottom line is, do you like the game or not? Did you like N2 or not?
Would you buy an upgrade or not? EA Sports comes out with a new version
of NHL hockey every single year and don't tell me they improve gameplay
that much from year to year. That's right: graphic improvements mostly.
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Need I say more?
Philster
Well, if you're not sure if you're going to buy a game or not, you
should wait to have some feedback from: a)newsgroups b)friends or people
you know c)web sites d)computer game magazines. That being said, and the
fact that you were able to find this newsgroup, I would assume you know
your way around the internet. That assumption made, I would think that
you would have the time to at least find info about the game before
buying it. That being said, I don't understand why you complain. So you
bought a product you don't like. A matter of opinion. But you can't say
it's because nobody "warned" you. "Warning signs" where everywhere (no,
before you reply saying "everywhere? Like on the Net or in this
newsgroup?", just go at www.papy.com and read info from THEIR forum).
As to the definition of everybody: everybody reading post about this N3
in this newsgroup would know about this (that's one group; other
resourcefull gamers would have gone to sites like
www.operationsports.com or www.simracingnews.com). Sometimes I wonder if
you only say things to look ignorant for argument sake. I suppose you're
one of those who always like to be right... but I digress.
I guess we have different opinions about the game. That's all.
As for reading your MESSAGE, I read all your post in this thread and
don't remember seeing anything mentionning you were new here. sorry.
Philster
For the racing experiance in general N3 seems to be more fun to most
Have you ever raced on TEN (before it disappeared)? Competition was very
good in leagues and you felt good about winning races. You had to work
hard to finish in the top 5.
It would be fun to try a race against you online. We could try fixed
setup. Maybe you need to race against more serious racers. I agree with
your statement: a large group of people racing N3 online have no manners
whatsoever. I really sux sometimes. Pick up races are just as bad as on
TEN. But I wouldn't dismiss N3 quickly.
I think it simulates well NASCAR races. That's close enough for me.
Certainly better than NASCAR Revolution.
Philster
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:56:46 -0400, Philster
Mild note: Try READING THE MESSAGE!! As it said I didn't come into
this newsgroup until the day before it hit the shelves hence I didn't
have 6 months of bombardment about the messages. I must also assume
that based on the # of posts versus the number of anticipated copies
to be sold some 99%+ of potential buyers have also never been in here
and at least 90% of those buyers have not bothered to pick up a
game-oriented magazine. To these people this game should be a much
improved and as modern as possible piece of software instead of a
$50.00 patch on a CD. Did I know it was a patch until I came in here?
No. In fact, I didn't even know it was due out like the vast majority
of other people. Heck, 95% of the populace didn't even know that
Dreamcast existed much less had shipped until the 6 O'clock news went
nuts over sales. Not everyone lives and breathes newsgroups and the
information on it and most of those people are not reading the
magazines either. Some people in newsgroups tend to forget they are
amoung the select few that actually know what these are, where they
are, and how to access them. Out of the 38,000+ newsgroups I only
recently found this one myself.
You say "Everybody knew the game would use the N2 engine". Who is
everybody? Everybody in the newsgroup or everybody interested in
buying the game? There is a world outside of the newsgroup you know.
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On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:37:36 -0400, Philster
No I never raced on TEN. I never raced N2 online at all and only
played the game a handful of times at a friends place. I can imagine
that in leagues (both in GPL and N3) the competition is a bit more
fierce than the average pick-up game and having to work that much
harder to win is what brings that sense of accomplishment.
Had I bothered to keep the game (it just wasn't worth the money to me)
I would be most happy to take you up on it. I did end up running a
few goodr aces before I returned it but with all of the crashes and
glitches and such there were just too many headaches involved for the
very few good experiances with the game. Obviously by the number of
posts begging for help and fixes I am not the only one who suffered
from these numerous problems. Perhaps N4 will address them.
It isn't the game itself that makes the people twits, it's the twits
that make themselves twits. I have played many games with mature
people out to just have fun yet who were very competitive and these
games were a total blast (including the few N3 games that did run
flawlessly). Unfortunately these were a small percentage compared to
those with severe attitude problems that sadly thought it their duty
to use every obscenity in the book for what was more often than not
their own mistakes.
I have never played/seen Nascar Revolution beyond the box on the shelf
so I will defer comment on this to someone who has played it. For N3,
when it works it does a decent job (though not spectacular) of putting
a bunch of people in a tight group (what others cream is missing from
GPL and I agree that most of the GPL races don't end up in tight
packs). That tight group tends to be a heck of a lot of fun for
everyone in it as does finding a good and consistent draft partner.
Someone else put it very well in that GPL is a sim for enthusiasts
while N3 is a game for racers.
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>For the racing experiance in general N3 seems to be more fun to most >> though when you find a good game in GPL with equally matched people >> it's even more of a blast. Lastly, with GPL when you win a race you >> actually feel like you accomplished something. With N3 it's just time >> to go get another drink and win the next one. >Have you ever raced on TEN (before it disappeared)? Competition was very >good in leagues and you felt good about winning races. You had to work >hard to finish in the top 5.On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:29:00 -0400, Philster
Hmm. I tend to be the first one in my group of friends to buy
something, especially software (at that I'm one of the few in my group
to actually buy it instead of pirate it). I don't spend hours on end
reading consumers reports guide to video games nor researching each
purchase 6 days ahead of time. I'm pretty sure that most people don't
do that much research on a mere $50 product. I do spend a lot of time
doing research on the internet though it's for stock purchases, real
estate deals, etc. These are far more time consuming and important to
me for my line of work than sitting on the computer looking for
potential information from people who have generally no more knowledge
of the product than anyone else and are only speculating what is and
is not going to be in the product. You may wish to consider that for
the majority of buyers the decision on which software to buy is done
as a POP (or Point of Purchase) sale where they know they want
something new but have no idea what they want to buy. They may not
even be looking to buy something but a fancy box catches their eye.
There are not that many people who sat back for 6+ months anticipating
with beads of sweat on their brow the release of N3 or any other
software save for a select few. Try taking a course or two in
Marketting and Advertising if you are interested in the statistical
data. It also has a great insight as to the average amount of
research done by an average buyer prior to purchasing items by general
price breakdowns. Unfortunately much of this information is in need of
revision now that the Net is a source of buyers information that
wasn't as popular or available as it was when most of the Marketting
courses were first designed and their subsequent books put into print.
Again, what good is going to a Papyrus sight to look up things that
might tell me I will NOT want the game? It is not in their best
interest to trounce their own game on the net. Would you expect to
see a Chevrolet ad that reads "All new Corvette, some new construction
techniques, but it still has some rattles, still has some squeaks, has
a few problems here and there but it costs more?" Again, having just
found this newsgroup I wasn't aware of the variety of sites out there
for racers and many of those that do crop up are fly-by-nighters from
people who like a game but are far from unbiased about it. For all of
those people who dont' even know this group exists much less the
websites who is to warn them of the flaws in N3 and GPL, and SCGT,
etc.?
I don't see how pointing out that not everyone in the world reads this
newsgroup nor researches a purchase of a mere $50 video game until
they are blue in the teeth is ignorant. Would you mind explaining that
to me? The prime target audience for a video game (at least in the
US) is 18-50 years old. Most people over 50 are not interested in
computers and generally not interested in video games. Most people
under 18 can't afford them without their parents help. These people
typically work 40 hour weeks and or go to college which leaves them
little time for spending hours upon hours of research for a game.
They would typically rather be playing a game, shopping at the mall
and reading the variety of boxes, go outside and play sports, or sit
on the computer doing other things.
Different opinions are good. If everyone thought the same we'd be one
boring group of people! I do apologize for the Sherlock comment as I
was in a rather off mood before I even logged in. It was uncalled for.
I'm not new to newsgroups in general, just to this particular one.
For whatever reason it was missed when I was sorting through some
36-38,000+ trying to find those worth reading. Since I have been here
I have learned a few things, many constructive, a few less than
useful, some rather annoying, etc. For the most part this place seems
as divided as a civil war over a pair of games form the same maker.
That we have a pair of games that are interesting enough to generate
the sheer number of comments, thoughts, posts, and emmotions speaks
volumes about the diversity of the groups of people in here. Obviously
we won't all agree on everything.
Who knows, if they manage to get some of the bugs addressed (though I
understand that most of them are carryovers from N2 that were never
fixed) I would repurchase the game and be happy to take you up on your
race. Until then I'd rather stick with other games and wait until a
better version comes along.
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Hydrogen and Stupidity.. The two most universal elements
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>Well, if you're not sure if you're going to buy a game or not, you >should wait to have some feedback from: a)newsgroups b)friends or people >you know c)web sites d)computer game magazines. That being said, and the >fact that you were able to find this newsgroup, I would assume you know >your way around the internet. That assumption made, I would think that >you would have the time to at least find info about the game before >buying it.>Hey, that's me! Well, haven't actually won a championship, but I've
>just started my second season at Grand Prix level. First season was
>pretty appauling race wise. Despite getting pole in 10 out of 11 races
>I failed to finish any of them. :-(
Pole?!? I'm lucky to qualify in the top 15...<g>
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>On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:56:46 -0400, Philster >Mild note: Try READING THE MESSAGE!! As it said I didn't come into >this newsgroup until the day before it hit the shelves hence I didn't >have 6 months of bombardment about the messages. I must also assume >that based on the # of posts versus the number of anticipated copies >to be sold some 99%+ of potential buyers have also never been in here >and at least 90% of those buyers have not bothered to pick up a >game-oriented magazine.... >....You say "Everybody knew the game would use the N2 engine". Who is >everybody? Everybody in the newsgroup or everybody interested in >buying the game? There is a world outside of the newsgroup you know.% > Does it have GPL's physics? No. Neither does it let you magically recover
% > from a crash with Shift-R, slide along an Armco at high speeds with no
% > damage to actually *gain* speed, ignore pitstops entirely, etc. like a
% > certain other sim. GPL has great physics, but has SEVERAL things which are
% > extremely unrealistic in simulating an actual '67 Grand Prix race.
% The lack of pitstops? There's a reason that they put as much fuel into
% those cars as they could carry for a full race. Pitstops were not that
% common.
Well, not really true.... Pitstops were quite common in 1967 Grand Prix
races, they just weren't "planned" pitstops.
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