PWF vs THE US PITS

When it comes to supporting and communicating with us sim drivers that do nascar 2003 i would recommend THE US PITS. Trying to get answers from PWF just at this time doesnt exist. I feel that JAN can provide quality software just as well if not better than PWF. The posting of PWF seem to be less and less and Im not sure they are gonna be around at this point. Just my .02 cents. I have offered them my widetona series, wide bristol, freeway tracks and never get even a screw off. hehe.. at least i get that from goy and simmos Donald R. Wilshe, CEO 1st Enviro Safety, Inc. 10200 Betsy Parkway St. James City, Florida 33956 Email: [email hidden] 888 578 9600 FAx: 888 485-8765 USA: 239 283-1222

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:11:55 GMT, "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I have offered them my widetona series, wide bristol, freeway tracks and >never get even a >screw off. If you're just looking for someone to tell you to screw off, I'm sure someone here will help ya Don. ;-)

If you're just looking for someone to tell you to***off, I'm sure someone here will help ya Don. ;-)

ROFLMAO!!!! "T. Wortman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:11:55 GMT, "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I have offered them my widetona series, wide bristol, freeway tracks and > >never get even a > >screw off. > > If you're just looking for someone to tell you to screw off, I'm sure > someone here will help ya Don. ;-)

lol thanjs tim and mike i can count on you all.. come to florida and lets go fishing dw "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_k8tb.67413$[email hidden]...

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> ROFLMAO!!!! > > > "T. Wortman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:11:55 GMT, "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >I have offered them my widetona series, wide bristol, freeway tracks

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> > >never get even a > > >screw off. > > > > If you're just looking for someone to tell you to screw off, I'm sure > > someone here will help ya Don. ;-) > >

We better HOPE they are around. They are the defacto future of our hobby right now. -Larry "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:f97tb.269$[email hidden]...

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> When it comes to supporting and communicating with us sim drivers that do > nascar 2003 i would > recommend THE US PITS. Trying to get answers from PWF just at this time > doesnt exist. I feel > that JAN can provide quality software just as well if not better than PWF. > The posting of PWF > seem to be less and less and Im not sure they are gonna be around at this > point. > > Just my .02 cents. > > I have offered them my widetona series, wide bristol, freeway tracks and > never get even a > screw off. hehe.. at least i get that from goy and simmos > > Donald R. Wilshe, CEO > 1st Enviro Safety, Inc. > 10200 Betsy Parkway > St. James City, Florida 33956 > Email: [email hidden] > 888 578 9600 > FAx: 888 485-8765 > USA: 239 283-1222 > >

Don Wilshe wrote: > > I have offered them my widetona series, wide bristol, freeway tracks and > never get even a > screw off. hehe.. at least i get that from goy and simmos As always you're full of it Don, Shannon Whitmore has told you to screw off several times :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Don Wilshe wrote: > > lol > > thanjs tim and mike i can count on you all.. come to florida and lets go > fishing Can I come too ? I can pick up Pete on the way, we could have some beers, I'll buy, clear the air a bit and then talk about PWF behind their backs :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Larry wrote: > > We better HOPE they are around. They are the defacto future of our hobby > right now. Oh my, never realized it was that bad Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:40:52 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >Oh my, never realized it was that bad Did something happen that went straight over my head? As far as Don's post goes, PWF's site is for their own modifications to the sim. You can happily post links to anything you want but they don't host anything (hell they don't even host their own files). Jason

Larry wrote: > We better HOPE they are around. They are the defacto future of our hobby > right now. IMHO N2k3 will have a few very healthy future because it is supported by so many people and groups. I don't think one single group matters. There are _so_ many tracks, add-ons, mods etc. announced and coming from all sides already at this moment. Just look at Sandown, Bathurst, Hallsville, Watkins Glen Long, the soon to come Norisring or Goetzenburg. Consider The Pit's TPTCC mod. Or all the free track conversions and new tracks Dave has already given us (including his GPL classics like Brand Hatch, Imola or Road Atlanta), and I am pretty confident there are more to come (the Norisring being one of them, with generous permission from Lou Magyar). Sounds, setups, tracks, mods, it's coming from all sides, and people are only just beginning to work for and with N2k3. Achim

The beers might kill me. Then you'll be rseponsible for the corpse. :-) Pete "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Can I come too ? > > I can pick up Pete on the way, we could have some beers, I'll buy, clear > the air a bit and then talk about PWF behind their backs :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Don Wilshe wrote:

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> When it comes to supporting and communicating with us sim drivers > that do nascar 2003 i would > recommend THE US PITS. Trying to get answers from PWF just at this > time doesnt exist. I feel > that JAN can provide quality software just as well if not better than > PWF. The posting of PWF > seem to be less and less and Im not sure they are gonna be around at > this point. > > Just my .02 cents. > > I have offered them my widetona series, wide bristol, freeway tracks > and never get even a > screw off. hehe.. at least i get that from goy and simmos > > Donald R. Wilshe,

Hmm, sounds like PWF has their act together indeed in this case. Smart bunch, with some awesome mods. :) Donald M. Burnette sorry for no long sig file or credentials, maybe someday

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> When it comes to supporting and communicating with us sim drivers that do > nascar 2003 i would > recommend THE US PITS. Trying to get answers from PWF just at this time > doesnt exist. I feel > that JAN can provide quality software just as well if not better than PWF. > The posting of PWF > seem to be less and less and Im not sure they are gonna be around at this > point. > > Just my .02 cents.

I agree in that The Pits (or Noonan) seem to be far more productive than PWF. see http://www.tptcc.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1361 (OMG is that Le mans sarthe!) -- Mika Takala

Mika Takala wrote: ... > I agree in that The Pits (or Noonan) seem to be far more productive than > PWF. > > see http://www.tptcc.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1361 > (OMG is that Le mans sarthe!) This link, Jan's posting with the 5 cars, and the comments in that TPTCC thread at The Pits about Noonan's plans shows _me_ where _I_ will go when I'm looking for my hobby's future ;) Achim

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> Mika Takala wrote: > ... > > I agree in that The Pits (or Noonan) seem to be far more productive than > > PWF. > > > > see http://www.tptcc.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1361 > > (OMG is that Le mans sarthe!) > > This link, Jan's posting with the 5 cars, and the comments in that TPTCC > thread at The Pits about Noonan's plans shows _me_ where _I_ will go > when I'm looking for my hobby's future ;) > > Achim

I think you fuckers should all just... [^&$%*&^---NO CARRIER] Greetings from the planet Tolerance. I have interrupted this individual's contribution to this discussion so that you might gain some insight and understanding from our point of view. I am of the opinion that it is wholly unfair to compare the two entities. They each have their own vision, and their own way of going about things, and there's not a thing wrong with that. Their efforts will may well stand on their own merits, or may fall under the weight of general disinterest by the community, and while a little bit of friendly rivalry between the two could be seen as a good thing, it's just a waste of time and energy to try to get them into a catfight. Variety is good. Choice is good. We don't often get either of those things when dealing with software. I recommend that we all take advantage of it while we can. I further recommend that we let these guys (both PWF, and The Pits) do their thing at a pace which is comfortable for them. The LAST thing we need is a half-completed and/or poorly through-out mod - from anyone - simply because the whining minority insists that it's "taking too long". I now return you to the original individual's commnication... [CARRIER DETECTED...^&%$^&%#@] ...and lastly, Wilshe can suck my hairy redneck asshole.

Pete wrote: > > The beers might kill me. Then you'll be rseponsible for the corpse. :-) If I bring some Danish, German or English beer over, will you risk it ? :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Very well put John. Well, except for that last line. That's something I do not wish to see. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <bp5bhd$1k63gg$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Mika Takala wrote: > > ... > > > I agree in that The Pits (or Noonan) seem to be far more productivethan

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> > > PWF. > > > > > > see http://www.tptcc.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1361 > > > (OMG is that Le mans sarthe!) > > > > This link, Jan's posting with the 5 cars, and the comments in that TPTCC > > thread at The Pits about Noonan's plans shows _me_ where _I_ will go > > when I'm looking for my hobby's future ;) > > > > Achim > > I think you fuckers should all just... > [^&$%*&^---NO CARRIER] > > Greetings from the planet Tolerance. > > I have interrupted this individual's contribution to this discussion > so that you might gain some insight and understanding from our point > of view. > > I am of the opinion that it is wholly unfair to compare the two > entities. They each have their own vision, and their own way of > going about things, and there's not a thing wrong with that. Their > efforts will may well stand on their own merits, or may fall under > the weight of general disinterest by the community, and while a > little bit of friendly rivalry between the two could be seen as a > good thing, it's just a waste of time and energy to try to get them > into a catfight. > > Variety is good. Choice is good. We don't often get either of those > things when dealing with software. I recommend that we all take > advantage of it while we can. > > I further recommend that we let these guys (both PWF, and The Pits) > do their thing at a pace which is comfortable for them. The LAST > thing we need is a half-completed and/or poorly through-out mod - > from anyone - simply because the whining minority insists that it's > "taking too long". > > I now return you to the original individual's commnication... > > > [CARRIER DETECTED...^&%$^&%#@] > > ...and lastly, Wilshe can suck my hairy redneck asshole. > > >

LOL Don, how true it seems. Actually I think Mr Wilshe may be biased just a bit, as he had a major difference of opinion with some of the major guys at OLR which happens to host the PWF stuff... I happen to think both Mods will be great. All of them seem to be a big boost to the sim racing community, so why try to hinder either one? Glen "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Don Wilshe wrote: > > When it comes to supporting and communicating with us sim drivers > > that do nascar 2003 i would > > recommend THE US PITS. Trying to get answers from PWF just at this > > time doesnt exist. I feel > > that JAN can provide quality software just as well if not better than > > PWF. The posting of PWF > > seem to be less and less and Im not sure they are gonna be around at > > this point. > > > > Just my .02 cents. > > > > I have offered them my widetona series, wide bristol, freeway tracks > > and never get even a > > screw off. hehe.. at least i get that from goy and simmos > > > > Donald R. Wilshe, > > > Hmm, sounds like PWF has their act together indeed in this case. > Smart bunch, with some awesome mods. > :) > > > Donald M. Burnette > > sorry for no long sig file or credentials, maybe someday > > >

John Simmons wrote: ... > Greetings from the planet Tolerance... An outstanding posting John :) It wasn't my intention to suggest rivalry - I said that no single group will be decisive for the future of N2k3 because there are so many supporting this sim now. Admittedly, I personally expect more from The Pits and Noonan, because they have a proven record of providing the community with great stuff. And Jan's new pics aren't looking bad either :) Achim

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> John Simmons wrote: > ... > > Greetings from the planet Tolerance... > > An outstanding posting John :) > > It wasn't my intention to suggest rivalry - I said that no single group > will be decisive for the future of N2k3 because there are so many > supporting this sim now. > > Admittedly, I personally expect more from The Pits and Noonan, because > they have a proven record of providing the community with great stuff. > > And Jan's new pics aren't looking bad either :) > > Achim > >

I know, I was just addressing the direction the thread seemed o be taking. :)

And there's nothing wrong with friendly competition... Having said that, the rivalry doesn't appear quite so friendly when you find that a large chunk of one's work has been used without proper acknowledgement. However, I will readily acknowledge that PWF have made some excellent contributions to the sim community. Regards Dave Noonan "Glen Pittman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > LOL Don, how true it seems. Actually I think Mr Wilshe may be biased justa > bit, as he had a major difference of opinion with some of the major guysat

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> OLR which happens to host the PWF stuff... > > I happen to think both Mods will be great. All of them seem to be a big > boost to the sim racing community, so why try to hinder either one? > > Glen > > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

A sip maybe. Either that or the surgeon would be giving you my liver to return with the empties. :-) Now if you bring a donor with the beer I'm not sure which would be better. Danish, German or English.(donors that is) :-) Pete "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > If I bring some Danish, German or English beer over, will you risk it ? > :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

It seems a shot has been fired over the bow of PWF! The most originality that any modder can hope to achieve honestly is to steal with good judgement. Pete "Dave Noonan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > And there's nothing wrong with friendly competition... > > Having said that, the rivalry doesn't appear quite so friendly when youfind

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> that a large chunk of one's work has been used without proper > acknowledgement. > > However, I will readily acknowledge that PWF have made some excellent > contributions to the sim community. > > Regards > > Dave Noonan

Pete wrote: > > A sip maybe. Either that or the surgeon would be giving you > my liver to return with the empties. :-) > Now if you bring a donor with the beer I'm not sure which would > be better. Danish, German or English.(donors that is) :-) Hah, I'll do my worst Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Pete wrote: ... > The most originality that any modder can hope to achieve honestly > is to steal with good judgement. Hehe, well said :) Still, another thing any modder should be able to hope for, is getting proper credit when his work is used elsewhere :) Achim

Pete wrote: > The most originality that any modder can hope to achieve honestly > is to steal with good judgement. Hehe, well said :) But giving and getting proper credit are nice habits anyway, aren't they :) Achim

It's not that it's bad. It's just the future for NR2003. -Larry "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Larry wrote: > > > > We better HOPE they are around. They are the defacto future of ourhobby

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> > right now. > > Oh my, never realized it was that bad > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Agreed. I just think from a quality-control standpoint, PWF is where it's at. -Larry "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bp3uun$1jsd97$[email hidden]... > Larry wrote: > > We better HOPE they are around. They are the defacto future of ourhobby

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> > right now. > > IMHO N2k3 will have a few very healthy future because it is supported by > so many people and groups. I don't think one single group matters. > > There are _so_ many tracks, add-ons, mods etc. announced and coming from > all sides already at this moment. > > Just look at Sandown, Bathurst, Hallsville, Watkins Glen Long, the soon > to come Norisring or Goetzenburg. Consider The Pit's TPTCC mod. Or all > the free track conversions and new tracks Dave has already given us > (including his GPL classics like Brand Hatch, Imola or Road Atlanta), > and I am pretty confident there are more to come (the Norisring being > one of them, with generous permission from Lou Magyar). > > Sounds, setups, tracks, mods, it's coming from all sides, and people are > only just beginning to work for and with N2k3. > > Achim >

At least you would have some bait for the fish eh? :-P -- Brian Tate DSTP Motorsports Public Relations http://www.dstpmotorsports.com http://www.toyotaatlantic.com "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BKhtb.17565$[email hidden]... > The beers might kill me. Then you'll be rseponsible for the corpse. :-) > > Pete > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Can I come too ? > > > > I can pick up Pete on the way, we could have some beers, I'll buy, clear > > the air a bit and then talk about PWF behind their backs :-)

I might be toxic. :-) Pete "Brian Tate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > At least you would have some bait for the fish eh? :-P > > -- > Brian Tate > DSTP Motorsports Public Relations > http://www.dstpmotorsports.com http://www.toyotaatlantic.com