N3 WILL HAVE INDY!!!!!

It is TRU!!! N3 will have the fabled IMS !!!!!

With the addition of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, there is a total of 28 Winston Cup and Busch tracks included, all recreated down to the finest detail. NASCAR? BUSCH SERIES, GRAND NATIONAL? DIVISION Gateway International Raceway Indianapolis Raceway Park Memphis Motorsports Park The Milwaukee Mile Myrtle Beach Speedway Nashville Speedway USA Nazareth Speedway Pikes Peak International Raceway South Boston Speedway NASCAR? WINSTON CUP SERIES Atlanta Motor Speedway Bristol Motor Speedway California Speedway Darlington Raceway Dover Downs International Speedway Homestead-Miami Speedway Indianapolis Motor Speedway Las Vegas Motor Speedway Lowes Motor Speedway Martinsville Speedway Michigan Speedway New Hampshire International Speedway North Carolina Speedway Phoenix International Raceway Richmond International Raceway Sears Point Raceway Talladega Superspeedway Texas Motor Speedway Watkins Glen International

Indianapolis Raceway Park and Indianapolis Motor Speedway are different tracks. IRP is a mile-oval I think. No Brickyard.

That will be great!! Just hope It's not a shelf version from ICR....not that it was unrealistic but just not up to the current graphics standards. Also hope they done away with the chicane wall at the Glen. Coot

Read deeper into the message under Winston Cup tracks <snip> Dover Downs International Speedway Homestead-Miami Speedway Indianapolis Motor Speedway <<<<==== Las Vegas Motor Speedway Lowes Motor Speedway <snip>

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>Indianapolis Raceway Park and Indianapolis Motor Speedway are different >tracks. IRP is a mile-oval I think. No Brickyard. >> It is TRU!!! N3 will have the fabled IMS !!!!!

WRONG!!!!

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> Indianapolis Raceway Park and Indianapolis Motor Speedway are different > tracks. IRP is a mile-oval I think. No Brickyard. > > It is TRU!!! N3 will have the fabled IMS !!!!!

WOW! Jan. ----

Notice that Pocono is once again missing from the track listings, confirming that the management at Pocono Raceway are real ***s. Don't for one minute think that Papyrus didn't want Pocono in this release. You can bet that Pocono was totally unreasonable in their license negotiations. *** Tim Wortman *** www.nasscar.com NASS99 Series Director www.4cds.com/racing Official Sponsor of NASS99

> Indianapolis Raceway Park and Indianapolis Motor Speedway are different > tracks. IRP is a mile-oval I think. No Brickyard. Wrong-o! Go here: http://www.papy.com/n3/N3_index.html and tell me what the 7th track is under the NASCAR Winston Cup Series header. Yess!! -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

READ MY LIPS INDIANAPOLIS MOTOR SPEEDWAY IS THE BRICKYARD!!

Ummm, IRP is a different track - and one I don't much like to drive :) However, IMS is indeed Indianapolis Motor Speedway, often referred to as " The Brickyard" -- Don Burnette Dburn on Ten http://members.home.net/d.burnette/Sportsman%204.htm > Indianapolis Raceway Park and Indianapolis Motor Speedway are different > tracks. IRP is a mile-oval I think. No Brickyard. > > It is TRU!!! N3 will have the fabled IMS !!!!!

SO WHAT?? NASCAR LEGENDS WILL FEATURE RIVERSIDE!!!!! :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Yeeeeeeeeeeeeehhaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! -- All the best, Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* The Paddock - a legendary site.... <http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock> > It is TRU!!! N3 will have the fabled IMS !!!!!

Wait....Nascar Legends will have Riverside....Nascar Legends will (from what ive heard) be based off the N2/99 Engine....theres already an N2/99 to ICR2 converter. Why am i suddenly VERY happy...<VBG> Chris

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>SO WHAT?? >NASCAR LEGENDS WILL FEATURE RIVERSIDE!!!!! >:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) >Yeeeeeeeeeeeeehhaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! >--

Are you from that area? Or just like them road courses? I grew up in Riverside, but only went to the track once for an off-road race.

Because you have an unrealistic belief that you can somehow convert Riverside to be used with ICR2? I have a feeling everyone's gonna be sorely disapppointed about the backwards and lateral compatibility (or lack thereof) with the N3/NL tracks. It's probably gonna take a while before we can even make use of the N3 tracks in NL, or vice versa. Personally, I'd like to race Riverside in N3. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html Barbarian Diecast Collector (370+ cars and counting) http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html Internet Grand Prix Series Season 2 http://www.paddedwall.org/igps2/igps2.html North American Stockcar Racing Online Competition http://www.paddedwall.org/nasroc1/nasroc1.html Super X Philes http://members.home.net/kap/superx/superx.html If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

<<So, again, how is Papyrus/Sierra getting around the exclusive agreement that GT Interactive has with the Indianapolis Motor Speedway?>> MAYBE............since N3 has been in development for the last three years, they liscensed it BEFORE GT Interactive signed its "exclusive" deal. Besides that, anymore the way things are, "exclusive" can be a loose term. TK

Woops, didn't read far enough. I agree...Yesss!

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> > Indianapolis Raceway Park and Indianapolis Motor Speedway are different > > tracks. IRP is a mile-oval I think. No Brickyard. > Wrong-o! Go here: http://www.papy.com/n3/N3_index.html and tell me what > the 7th track is under the NASCAR Winston Cup Series header. Yess!! > -- > Chuck Kandler #70 > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

Pocono used to be owned privately. Don't quote me but I think it was bought out by the same people that owns 90% of the other NASCAr tracks. At least I remember something being talked about there. Mike

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> Notice that Pocono is once again missing from the track listings, > confirming that the management at Pocono Raceway are real ***s. > Don't for one minute think that Papyrus didn't want Pocono in this > release. You can bet that Pocono was totally unreasonable in their > license negotiations. > >NASCAR? WINSTON CUP SERIES > >Atlanta Motor Speedway > >Bristol Motor Speedway > >California Speedway > >Darlington Raceway > >Dover Downs International Speedway > >Homestead-Miami Speedway > >Indianapolis Motor Speedway > >Las Vegas Motor Speedway > >Lowes Motor Speedway > >Martinsville Speedway > >Michigan Speedway > >New Hampshire International Speedway > >North Carolina Speedway > >Phoenix International Raceway > >Richmond International Raceway > >Sears Point Raceway > >Talladega Superspeedway > >Texas Motor Speedway > >Watkins Glen International > *** Tim Wortman *** > www.nasscar.com > NASS99 Series Director > www.4cds.com/racing > Official Sponsor of NASS99

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On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:25:03 -0500, "John Bodin" >Which brings me back to the question -- how can they do this with the >exclusive GT Interactive agreement in place? IS Papy going to produce the >next Indy 500/IRL sim? My sources are VERY mum on this, so I'm pretty much >in the dark. "Under terms of the multi-year global agreement, GT Interactive obtains exclusive interactive software rights to the Indy 500, Indy Racing League, Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Indy Racing League teams and drivers, for all PC and console platforms." I'm no lawyer, but it could be that the wording of the agreement between IMS and GTI is specific to IRL and open wheel type sims, and that because N3 is using stock cars and simulating the BY400 and not the Indy 500, there was a legal loophole for IMS to allow it's use for N3. *** Tim Wortman *** www.nasscar.com NASS99 Series Director www.4cds.com/racing Official Sponsor of NASS99

Took a look at that link and finally found out how many will be able to race via Internet.... *20*. I've said it in a post just a couple days ago, I never seen any info on the number of internet drivers but a few people swore that 43 was the magic number. <g>

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> > Indianapolis Raceway Park and Indianapolis Motor Speedway are different > > tracks. IRP is a mile-oval I think. No Brickyard. > Wrong-o! Go here: http://www.papy.com/n3/N3_index.html and tell me what > the 7th track is under the NASCAR Winston Cup Series header. Yess!! > -- > Chuck Kandler #70 > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

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And MAYBE, MAYBE, we can get a conversion of IMS AND RIVERSIDE to work in GPL!!!!!!!! YEEEEEHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! --Dave -- Dave Schwabe "If you're in control, you're not going fast enough" -- Parnelli Jones The Aussie Toad -- GPL Brabham Page http://users.wi.net/~schwabe > SO WHAT?? > NASCAR LEGENDS WILL FEATURE RIVERSIDE!!!!! > :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) > Yeeeeeeeeeeeeehhaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! > -- > All the best, > Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* > The Paddock - a legendary site.... > <http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock> > > It is TRU!!! N3 will have the fabled IMS !!!!!

> Because you have an unrealistic belief that you can somehow convert > Riverside to be used with ICR2? Probably not unrealistic at all. There are some very talented people out there. I never thought we would be able to run an N2 track in GPL either. Since there are converters for N2 tracks to the other Papy formats, all someone has to do is figure out how to convert them to N2 format. Me too, 2 roadcourses just isn't enough. How about a GPL to N3 converter? Monza would be a blast! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

> And MAYBE, MAYBE, we can get a conversion of IMS AND RIVERSIDE to work in > GPL!!!!!!!! There you go! Calling Dave Noonan............... I want to race Clark and Hill at Indy! Now; where can I get some of those nifty unequal-length suspension arms so I can offset my tub? Cheers, Steve B.

says... The claim by Papy is "20 or more" depending on the (servers) connection to the net, the speed of the server CPU, and the general health of the net at the time you are hosting. The beta was reported to have a maximum allowed online drivers set to 32. As usual, we have to wait and see what is really practical (given the different types of high-speed connections). -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html Barbarian Diecast Collector (370+ cars and counting) http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html Internet Grand Prix Series Season 2 http://www.paddedwall.org/igps2/igps2.html North American Stockcar Racing Online Competition http://www.paddedwall.org/nasroc1/nasroc1.html Super X Philes http://members.home.net/kap/superx/superx.html If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I think Spa and Silverstone are also suitable venues. We need really wide tracks. :-) -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html Barbarian Diecast Collector (370+ cars and counting) http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html Internet Grand Prix Series Season 2 http://www.paddedwall.org/igps2/igps2.html North American Stockcar Racing Online Competition http://www.paddedwall.org/nasroc1/nasroc1.html Super X Philes http://members.home.net/kap/superx/superx.html If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

hmmm, In that case, I can't wait! :) -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= Racing online with the help of...... Race Communications Association http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

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> >>Personally, I'd like to race Riverside in N3. > >Me too, 2 roadcourses just isn't enough. How about a GPL to N3 > >converter? Monza would be a blast! > I think Spa and Silverstone are also suitable venues. We need really > wide tracks. :-)

Wasn't it a just a couple of years ago that Mark Martin did a bunch of demo laps around Silverstone in the #6 Ford? There ya go, a genuine historical precedent! :) david

John, sorry to disappoint you but "au contraire", fortunately ;-) I don't know if you are aware of this, but you can now convert any track to any Papyrus title except SODA : Off-Road almost. GPL tracks for N1, N2, Icr2, NR99. N1 tracks for N2, Icr2, GPL NR99. Icr2 tracks for GPL, N2, NR99, etc.. If it can be done for GPL, it can be more easily done for N3 and NL, which have a more standard file architecture (3DO and TRK) than GPL. Those tracks might not be public yet, but you never know when they will be :) Well you see the point. Papyrus has the same TRk and 3DO architecture in their .dat so it's very easy now with the knowledge that track editor have to convert tracks into any Papyrus sim. And in the future, I bet you there will be a track editor which will be very easy and user friendly. Im 100% sure of that. I know some people racing GPL Monza with Icr2, Icr1 Brickyard with GPL, Icr2 Australia with NR99, etc.. Everything is possible :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

It's not a screw-up Jon, it is really in it. It seems that the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Executives have been much more open to track licensing this past year, according license to GTI, EA Sports and now Papyrus, with also SEGA who will have the rights for a DreamCast/arcade title until ugh I think 2002. Now if only Daytona International Speedway would do the same... -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

You mean something like this : http://simracing.8m.com/indy.jpg ;-) P.S.: Please I have no relation with David Noonan, this picture is in no-right against anybody :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Where can I get GPL tracks for ICR2?????????

I like both styles of starts.. Standing F1 starts and Pace lap NASCAR starts. Since NASCAR3 is going to be something like GPL with the windows stuff, I wonder if it would work to setup pace laps for the smaller tracks in GPL by doing some conversions? And the other way around? There are many things I like about NASCAR. The biggest thing being the points structure. Wonder if the points structure could be converted to GPL? I'm sure that after really studying the differences, we could come up with league races with the best of the two Sims. (If it's possible to convert more then just the tracks) Mike

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> > I have a feeling everyone's gonna be sorely disapppointed about the > > backwards and lateral compatibility (or lack thereof) with the N3/NL > > tracks. It's probably gonna take a while before we can even make use of > > the N3 tracks in NL, or vice versa. Personally, I'd like to race > > Riverside in N3. > John, sorry to disappoint you but "au contraire", fortunately ;-) I don't > know if you are aware of this, but you can now convert any track to any > Papyrus title except SODA : Off-Road almost. GPL tracks for N1, N2, Icr2, > NR99. N1 tracks for N2, Icr2, GPL NR99. Icr2 tracks for GPL, N2, NR99, > etc.. If it can be done for GPL, it can be more easily done for N3 and NL, > which have a more standard file architecture (3DO and TRK) than GPL. Those > tracks might not be public yet, but you never know when they will be :) > Well you see the point. Papyrus has the same TRk and 3DO architecture in > their .dat so it's very easy now with the knowledge that track editor have > to convert tracks into any Papyrus sim. And in the future, I bet you there > will be a track editor which will be very easy and user friendly. Im 100% > sure of that. > I know some people racing GPL Monza with Icr2, Icr1 Brickyard with GPL, Icr2 > Australia with NR99, etc.. Everything is possible :) > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

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> And MAYBE, MAYBE, we can get a conversion of IMS AND RIVERSIDE to work in > GPL!!!!!!!! > YEEEEEHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! > > NASCAR LEGENDS WILL FEATURE RIVERSIDE!!!!! > > :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > Yeeeeeeeeeeeeehhaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

And maybe we'll have to pay $30 for a shareware converter! YEAH! And maybe they'll sue everyone for illegal copyright infringment! YEAH! And maybe a whole lawsuit will insue and Papy will have to shut down for using it's license irresponsibly (ie. making it too easy to convert tracks, modify tracks, etc.) YEAH! And maybe R.A.S will be left to pickup the ashes..YEAH! I'll drink to that...C'mon, get real, put the beer and pretzels down for a second and think. Daytona? Hasn't happened why? Very good. I'm not saying this won't but just don't get your hopes and everyone elses in the group high so we can come crashing down harder than Ricky Craven at 'Dega... =-Rigs-= '...whatever answer, however illogical, must be the truth...'

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>> I have a feeling everyone's gonna be sorely disapppointed about the >> backwards and lateral compatibility (or lack thereof) with the N3/NL >> tracks. It's probably gonna take a while before we can even make use >> of the N3 tracks in NL, or vice versa. Personally, I'd like to race >> Riverside in N3. >John, sorry to disappoint you but "au contraire", fortunately ;-) I >don't know if you are aware of this, but you can now convert any track >to any Papyrus title except SODA : Off-Road almost. GPL tracks for N1, >N2, Icr2, NR99. N1 tracks for N2, Icr2, GPL NR99. Icr2 tracks for GPL, >N2, NR99, etc.. If it can be done for GPL, it can be more easily done >for N3 and NL, which have a more standard file architecture (3DO and >TRK) than GPL. Those tracks might not be public yet, but you never know >when they will be :) >Well you see the point. Papyrus has the same TRk and 3DO architecture >in their .dat so it's very easy now with the knowledge that track >editor have to convert tracks into any Papyrus sim. And in the future, >I bet you there will be a track editor which will be very easy and user >friendly. Im 100% sure of that.

Read my message again. Ididn't say it couldn't or wouldn't be done, I just said it would take a while. Despite the somewhat rosey picture you paint, I'd be willing to bet that the tracks in N3 or not just different, but different enough to make it a royal pain in the ass to convert to or from. Sure, there's a lot of existing knowledge floating around about existing formats, but it's ludicrous to think/assume that it will be a walk in the park. I want it to happen, but I'm not expecting any converted tracks to be available until sometime next year. I'd love for someone to prove me wrong, and they can start with converting the N2 Pocono and North Wilkesboro tracks to N3. :-) -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html Barbarian Diecast Collector (370+ cars and counting) http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html Internet Grand Prix Series Season 2 http://www.paddedwall.org/igps2/igps2.html North American Stockcar Racing Online Competition http://www.paddedwall.org/nasroc1/nasroc1.html Super X Philes http://members.home.net/kap/superx/superx.html If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Hope it supports dual procs cuz then my PPro will definatly be running NASCAR 3 sessions all the time! -Stuart Becktell Racing guy at www.gamewire.org ICQ # 18183832

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> says... > >Took a look at that link and finally found out how many will be > >able to race via Internet.... *20*. I've said it in a post > >just a couple days ago, I never seen any info on the number of > >internet drivers but a few people swore that 43 was the magic > >number. <g> > The claim by Papy is "20 or more" depending on the (servers) connection > to the net, the speed of the server CPU, and the general health of the > net at the time you are hosting. The beta was reported to have a maximum > allowed online drivers set to 32. > As usual, we have to wait and see what is really practical (given the > different types of high-speed connections). > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) > http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html > Barbarian Diecast Collector (370+ cars and counting) > http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html > Internet Grand Prix Series Season 2 > http://www.paddedwall.org/igps2/igps2.html > North American Stockcar Racing Online Competition > http://www.paddedwall.org/nasroc1/nasroc1.html > Super X Philes > http://members.home.net/kap/superx/superx.html > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

> Pocono used to be owned privately. Don't quote me but I think it was > bought out by the same people that owns 90% of the other NASCAr tracks. > At least I remember something being talked about there. > Mike Last I remember was that Pocono was not for sale. The owner (forget his name) said he had no need for more money, he loved the place and that he was gonna keep it. -Steve Bevacqua | Parsival on TEN, er, Pogo, uh.... oh forget it.

> I'd love for someone to prove me > wrong, and they can start with converting the N2 Pocono and North > Wilkesboro tracks to N3. :-) I like your "challenge" approach. There is simply NO WAY anyone will be able to get Riverside to work in N3 before Christmas. Oh, and there will NEVER be a working Daytona (day and night pls) <G> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Jan, you really needed at least another 5 exclamation marks behind that to give it the same e***ment level as the announcement itself. :o)

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> WOW! > Jan. > ---- > > It is TRU!!! N3 will have the fabled IMS !!!!!

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On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 20:27:07 -0400, Roger Penske, I believe. -- * rrevved at mindspring dot com * http://www.cabal.net * http://www.sputum.com

What you mean that Nobody will ever have an accurate Daytona for any Papyrus sim ? What do you want to bet ? :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

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> On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 20:27:07 -0400, > >Last I remember was that Pocono was not for sale. The owner (forget his > >name) said he had no need for more money, > Roger Penske, I believe.

I could be wrong as well..... but I think Pocono is still family owned. The person is a Doctro and very well connected to the University of Penn. . I think. But I'm pretty sure Penske doesn't own Pocono. He owns and ruined Nazareth, but that is a different story. The Mocker

> What you mean that Nobody will ever have an accurate Daytona for any Papyrus sim ? Ah, I was saying not for NASCAR 3. It will never happen. Nobody can do it, it can't be done, I'll bet ya $20.00, e-mail the track to me to prove me wrong and I'll send you a check! <G> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

That's right, Pocono is still privately owned, by a Doctor. The name is Mattiola, something like that.

I think you're right!

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> > On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 20:27:07 -0400, > > >Last I remember was that Pocono was not for sale. The owner (forget his > > >name) said he had no need for more money, > > Roger Penske, I believe. > I could be wrong as well..... but I think Pocono is still family owned. The > person is a Doctro and very well connected to the University of Penn. . I > think. But I'm pretty sure Penske doesn't own Pocono. He owns and ruined > Nazareth, but that is a different story. > The Mocker

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Difference between Daytona and Indy is Daytona didn't try something as dumb as the IRL to drain the profits they would have made with a real 500 miler with big names. :-) Wouldn't it just be hilarious if Bill France said forget NASCAR Winston Cup, there are too many Northerners in it now anyway, I'm gonna bring could old slave-driving moonshiners to the track because that's our heritage. Do people realize how Xenophobic and stupid Tony George sounded with the IRL?!?!?!?!? I'm glad he's paying the price with his massive crowds. Jon

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> >It is TRU!!! N3 will have the fabled IMS !!!!! > With the addition of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, there is a total of 28 > Winston Cup and Busch tracks included, all recreated down to the finest detail. > NASCAR? BUSCH SERIES, GRAND NATIONAL? DIVISION > Gateway International Raceway > Indianapolis Raceway Park > Memphis Motorsports Park > The Milwaukee Mile > Myrtle Beach Speedway > Nashville Speedway USA > Nazareth Speedway > Pikes Peak International Raceway > South Boston Speedway

Hey! Where's Hickory? Philster

On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 18:33:33 -0400, Philster

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>> NASCAR? BUSCH SERIES, GRAND NATIONAL? DIVISION >> Gateway International Raceway >> Indianapolis Raceway Park >> Memphis Motorsports Park >> The Milwaukee Mile >> Myrtle Beach Speedway >> Nashville Speedway USA >> Nazareth Speedway >> Pikes Peak International Raceway >> South Boston Speedway >Hey! Where's Hickory? >Philster

Busch doesn't race there anymore. I'm sure that some n2->n3 track converter will take care of that though, so no worries.

Unfortunately, Hickory is not part of the NASCAR Busch series schedule anymore. It is still in the NASCAR Trucksman series, so if they ever decide to create an add-on for N3/seperate product, we will have it :) Still, I really do think that exchanging tracks from previous titles will be very easy. I just need more Hard Disk space now, with each title converted tracks take way too much space :) 400mb for NR99, 400mb for N2, 250mb for Icr2, 400mb for GPL . There's going to be all the N3 tracks + NLegends tracks now to convert to all the formats :) (but Im uninstalling N2 and NR99, so N3 will be around 1GB in size if I include Icr2 tracls, some N2/NR99 tracks not in N3, N1 tracks, NLegend tracks for N3, GPL tracks for N3!). -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

The good thing now is that they make 20MB Hard Drives. LOL Who would a thought it 5 years ago? At least affordable ones. hehe -- Sean Higgins "HigPup" "Hollywood" for R6 "Hollywood__NWO" for ZONE http://home.sprintmail.com/~higgy/hsts2/ HSTS, Powered by ATI Rage 128 http://www.atitech.ca ATI Technologies >>> NASCAR? BUSCH SERIES, GRAND NATIONAL? DIVISION >> Hey! Where's Hickory? >Unfortunately, Hickory is not part of the NASCAR Busch series schedule >anymore. It is still in the NASCAR Trucksman series, so if they ever decide >to create an add-on for N3/seperate product, we will have it :) >Still, I really do think that exchanging tracks from previous titles will be >very easy. I just need more Hard Disk space now, with each title converted >tracks take way too much space :) 400mb for NR99, 400mb for N2, 250mb for >Icr2, 400mb for GPL . There's going to be all the N3 tracks + NLegends >tracks now to convert to all the formats :) (but Im uninstalling N2 and >NR99, so N3 will be around 1GB in size if I include Icr2 tracls, some >N2/NR99 tracks not in N3, N1 tracks, NLegend tracks for N3, GPL tracks for >N3!).

> Xenophobic? Why do we use this word so much? > -- > The Mocker Probably because its a common part of the "American Condition." I know all too many people who are put off by those who are different than they, and especially if that person speaks a language other than English. Why else would we care if the driver in the Winner's Circle speaks with an accent or not, like I read in another post? Just remember, there is one race. The Human Race. And one country. The Planet Earth. Now, back on subject. Maybe we'll get to eventually have our GPL and our Indy after all! Where is Dave Noonan now? I can hardly wait! -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

whoops I meant GB LMAO :) -- Sean Higgins "HigPup" "Hollywood" for R6 "Hollywood__NWO" for ZONE http://home.sprintmail.com/~higgy/hsts2/ HSTS, Powered by ATI Rage 128 http://www.atitech.ca ATI Technologies >Err, 20MB disks have been around for 10 years, but won't do you much >good if you want to play any of the modern sims. Good thing they make >those 20GB disks nowadays then :-) >-- >Arne Martin

> The good thing now is that they make 20MB Hard Drives. LOL Who would a > thought it 5 years ago? At least affordable ones. hehe Err, 20MB disks have been around for 10 years, but won't do you much good if you want to play any of the modern sims. Good thing they make those 20GB disks nowadays then :-) -- Arne Martin

Well, the DELL PC I am going to command will have a 34.2GB EIDE 7200rpm HD, but while waiting it will be tough to find space. After that Sean, I won't mind :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

> Xenophobic? Why do we use this word so much? > -- > The Mocker --Ever see the Moday Night Football commercial putting down German TV? And then basically declaring America the best country... --Did you hear Tony George's reasoning for founding the IRL? --World Seires only has teams from Canada and America, but in Japan baseball's very big they should have MLB teams...right? --NASCAR fans say CART is so bad because I can't pronounce a driver's name (yet all their names are also foriegn to N. America) --Most Americans refuse to learn other languages because English is considered the language Why are many Americans racist? They are afraid of something different....why are the xenophobic? They are afraid of something different.... Notice a pattern....dig a little deeper and look at the people who "hate" CART because of it's foriegn driver's and their success, where are most of them from? Make the connection bud. ________________________________________________ Jon Van Ginneken "Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules, and ***ic pleasure in witnessing ***: in other words it is war minus the shooting." --George Orwell

what about Slick 'N' Slide tracks ? ;) McKafre De La Rosa ymenard escribi en mensaje ... >>> NASCAR? BUSCH SERIES, GRAND NATIONAL? DIVISION >Still, I really do think that exchanging tracks from previous titles will be

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>very easy. I just need more Hard Disk space now, with each title converted >tracks take way too much space :) 400mb for NR99, 400mb for N2, 250mb for >Icr2, 400mb for GPL . There's going to be all the N3 tracks + NLegends >tracks now to convert to all the formats :) (but Im uninstalling N2 and >NR99, so N3 will be around 1GB in size if I include Icr2 tracls, some >N2/NR99 tracks not in N3, N1 tracks, NLegend tracks for N3, GPL tracks for >N3!).

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> (snip) > > Just remember, there is one race. > > The Human Race. And one country. The Planet Earth. > (unsnip) > How noble, Chuck. Perhaps you'd like to e-mail that message to those in > Kosovo, Serbia and now East Timor. I'm sure that they'll be uplifted by your > message.

LOL Point well taken. Just ponder, if more people actually considered such things as true, would those problems tend to appear more or would you tend to see less of them? Seems mankind has chopped up the earth into countries much like urban youth "groups" chop up cities into "turfs". And its just as ridiculous. Just as the youths have no lawful claim on the land of the cities in order to declare "my turf", and "your turf", the "countries" are also cut up from a planet not wholly owned by those doing the sectioning. And if others weren't so stinking worried about "lording it over" others, much of these power struggles would be non-existant. Greed, power, racism, nationalism, it all stinks. And its everywhere on the globe, I'll admit. But there seems to be a high concentration of each of those here in the good 'ol US of A. (Steps out of pulpit, while ducking throws of rotten tomatoes) -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

Thank you, Jon, I'm glad to see I'm not alone in noticing all this! It really is unsettling to see how commonplace these kinds of attitudes have become in recent years in the US, even to the point of being fully embraced by the mainstream media. What gets me too, now, you can't even attend a race anymore without a warplane flyover before things begin. If *that* don't bring back to mind stories from pre- and early nazi Germany, I don't know what does. What do machines of war have to do with a fun, enjoyable day at the races? Nothing! We do such things to try & forget about such crap! -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

Your right Chuck. Can't we all just get along? It would be so much easier if everyone spoke the same language. So I suggest all post to R.A.S. should from here on be in Esperonto. -- The Mocker *****LEGAL NOTICE TO ALL BULK E-MAILERS***** NOTICE TO BULK EMAILERS: Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, 227, any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US. E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms.

>It is TRU!!! N3 will have the fabled IMS !!!!! Where did you read this? Joel Willstein

>That will be great!! Just hope It's not a shelf version from ICR....not that >it was unrealistic but just not up to the current graphics standards. >Also hope they done away with the chicane wall at the Glen. >Coot I've seen post after post saying that N3 will have both IRP and IMS. Yet none of the reviewers have stated that a complete list of tracks has been released by Papyrus. So until such time as Papyrus releases that list,I'm holding off any celebrating. Joel Willstein

I believe a list of tracks was posted here a couple of days ago, and yes, it inluded IMS. -- Don Burnette Dburn on Ten http://members.home.net/d.burnette/Sportsman%204.htm

>I've seen post after post saying that N3 will have both IRP and IMS. Yet >none of the reviewers have stated that a complete list of tracks has been >released by Papyrus. So until such time as Papyrus releases that list,I'm >holding off any celebrating. >Joel Willstein This is from http://www.papy.com/n3/N3_index.html Go there and read it for yourself, straight from Papyrus. Now will you quit whining about if IMS is or isn't in N3??? YES IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is unless you think that IMS is called The Brickyard instead. IMS-The Brickyard. I can make it more simple if you want. ============================ How many tracks are included? Answer: With the addition of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, there is a total of 28 Winston Cup and Busch tracks included, all recreated down to the finest detail. NASCAR? BUSCH SERIES, GRAND NATIONAL? DIVISION Gateway International Raceway Indianapolis Raceway Park Memphis Motorsports Park The Milwaukee Mile Myrtle Beach Speedway Nashville Speedway USA Nazareth Speedway Pikes Peak International Raceway South Boston Speedway NASCAR? WINSTON CUP SERIES Atlanta Motor Speedway Bristol Motor Speedway California Speedway Darlington Raceway Dover Downs International Speedway Homestead-Miami Speedway Indianapolis Motor Speedway Las Vegas Motor Speedway Lowes Motor Speedway Martinsville Speedway Michigan Speedway New Hampshire International Speedway North Carolina Speedway Phoenix International Raceway Richmond International Raceway Sears Point Raceway Talladega Superspeedway Texas Motor Speedway Watkins Glen International

On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:42:41 -0400, "Joel Willstein" >>It is TRU!!! N3 will have the fabled IMS !!!!! > Where did you read this? >Joel Willstein Go to papy.com

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>says... >>Took a look at that link and finally found out how many will be >>able to race via Internet.... *20*. I've said it in a post >>just a couple days ago, I never seen any info on the number of >>internet drivers but a few people swore that 43 was the magic >>number. <g> >The claim by Papy is "20 or more" depending on the (servers) connection >to the net, the speed of the server CPU, and the general health of the >net at the time you are hosting. The beta was reported to have a maximum >allowed online drivers set to 32. >As usual, we have to wait and see what is really practical (given the >different types of high-speed connections).

This is the piece of information that I find most appealing. The idea that we can choose to increase from 24 cars (TEN's limit) to 32 (or more based on the software's limit) as long as we are willing to get the kind of connection required. The point here is WE can make the decisions about how many cars we will support.. not a company with different interests.

says... The complete list of tracks *has* been given by Papy - check their web site. There's gonna be 28 tracks, including BOTH IRP and IMS. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html Barbarian Diecast Collector (370+ cars and counting) http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html Internet Grand Prix Series Season 2 http://www.paddedwall.org/igps2/igps2.html North American Stockcar Racing Online Competition http://www.paddedwall.org/nasroc1/nasroc1.html Super X Philes http://members.home.net/kap/superx/superx.html If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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>> I'd love for someone to prove me >> wrong, and they can start with converting the N2 Pocono and North >> Wilkesboro tracks to N3. :-) >I like your "challenge" approach. >There is simply NO WAY anyone will be able to get Riverside to work in >N3 before Christmas. Oh, and there will NEVER be a working Daytona (day >and night pls) <G> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

"NEVER be a working Daytona (day and night pls)" I sure hope you don't believe in Murphy... Murphy will see to it Daytona becomes available just before you can no longer race.

>Thank you, Jon, I'm glad to see I'm not alone in noticing all this! It really >is unsettling to see how commonplace these kinds of attitudes have become in >recent years in the US, even to the point of being fully embraced by the >mainstream media. What gets me too, now, you can't even attend a race anymore >without a warplane flyover before things begin. If *that* don't bring back to >mind stories from pre- and early nazi Germany, I don't know what does. What do >machines of war have to do with a fun, enjoyable day at the races? Nothing! We >do such things to try & forget about such crap! >-- >Chuck Kandler #70 >K&S Racing For your information,the use of military aircraft flying over a stadium before a sporting event,is done to pay tribute to all those that freely gave their lives in service to our country. It's not done to show current military power as was the case in Nazi Germany. JA Willstein

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:38:32 -0400, "Joel Willstein" Aww!!! You beat me to it. Thank you for such an eloquent response to such an idiotic thoughtless post!!! Gunner

It drives like an overgrown Gateway. -Larry