NASCAR 2003: Why Is Mark Rinsem Impersonating Me?

Mark: What is the deal? You going around impersonating me and who knows what you been doing or saying? Below is what i found when i did a code check on my last name and who do i find but VRW Owner!!!!! Mark Rinsem!!! Don Wilshe ======================================================= For This Muzzle Code : !_BackInBlack Code----->00026184 Added---->9/15/2003 4:19:00 PM Updated-->9/15/2003 11:28:20 PM ........................................................... d_wilshe Code----->00026184 Added---->10/24/2003 8:58:08 PM Updated-->11/15/2003 9:44:54 PM ........................................................... M Rinsem Code----->00026184 Added---->9/17/2003 6:37:33 PM Updated-->11/26/2003 11:00:26 PM ........................................................... Mark Rinsem Code----->00026184 Added---->9/16/2003 1:40:28 PM Updated-->11/20/2003 11:32:40 PM ........................................................... VRW-Rinsem Code----->00026184 Added---->9/27/2003 7:19:08 PM Updated-->11/17/2003 9:36:58 PM ...........................................................

pffft, go crawl back in your hole "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QRrxb.100944$[email hidden]...

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> Mark: > > What is the deal? You going around impersonating me and who knows > > what you been doing or saying? > > Below is what i found when i did a code check on my last name and who > > do i find but VRW Owner!!!!! Mark Rinsem!!! > > Don Wilshe > > ======================================================= > > > > > > For This Muzzle Code : !_BackInBlack > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/15/2003 4:19:00 PM > Updated-->9/15/2003 11:28:20 PM > ........................................................... > d_wilshe > Code----->00026184 > Added---->10/24/2003 8:58:08 PM > Updated-->11/15/2003 9:44:54 PM > ........................................................... > M Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/17/2003 6:37:33 PM > Updated-->11/26/2003 11:00:26 PM > ........................................................... > Mark Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/16/2003 1:40:28 PM > Updated-->11/20/2003 11:32:40 PM > ........................................................... > VRW-Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/27/2003 7:19:08 PM > Updated-->11/17/2003 9:36:58 PM > ........................................................... > > > >

Looks like he's a low life with nothing better to do. Pete "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QRrxb.100944$[email hidden]...

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> Mark: > > What is the deal? You going around impersonating me and who knows > > what you been doing or saying? > > Below is what i found when i did a code check on my last name and who > > do i find but VRW Owner!!!!! Mark Rinsem!!! > > Don Wilshe > > ======================================================= > > > > > > For This Muzzle Code : !_BackInBlack > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/15/2003 4:19:00 PM > Updated-->9/15/2003 11:28:20 PM > ........................................................... > d_wilshe > Code----->00026184 > Added---->10/24/2003 8:58:08 PM > Updated-->11/15/2003 9:44:54 PM > ........................................................... > M Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/17/2003 6:37:33 PM > Updated-->11/26/2003 11:00:26 PM > ........................................................... > Mark Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/16/2003 1:40:28 PM > Updated-->11/20/2003 11:32:40 PM > ........................................................... > VRW-Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/27/2003 7:19:08 PM > Updated-->11/17/2003 9:36:58 PM > ........................................................... > > > >

Ya Don said he was impersonating him ;-) "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0Bvxb.16736$[email hidden]...

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> Looks like he's a low life with nothing better to do. > > Pete > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:QRrxb.100944$[email hidden]... > > Mark: > > > > What is the deal? You going around impersonating me and who knows > > > > what you been doing or saying? > > > > Below is what i found when i did a code check on my last name and who > > > > do i find but VRW Owner!!!!! Mark Rinsem!!! > > > > Don Wilshe > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > For This Muzzle Code : !_BackInBlack > > Code----->00026184 > > Added---->9/15/2003 4:19:00 PM > > Updated-->9/15/2003 11:28:20 PM > > ........................................................... > > d_wilshe > > Code----->00026184 > > Added---->10/24/2003 8:58:08 PM > > Updated-->11/15/2003 9:44:54 PM > > ........................................................... > > M Rinsem > > Code----->00026184 > > Added---->9/17/2003 6:37:33 PM > > Updated-->11/26/2003 11:00:26 PM > > ........................................................... > > Mark Rinsem > > Code----->00026184 > > Added---->9/16/2003 1:40:28 PM > > Updated-->11/20/2003 11:32:40 PM > > ........................................................... > > VRW-Rinsem > > Code----->00026184 > > Added---->9/27/2003 7:19:08 PM > > Updated-->11/17/2003 9:36:58 PM > > ........................................................... > > > > > > > > > >

In article <QRrxb.100944$[email hidden]>, "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> writes: >Below is what i found when i did a code check on my last name and who > >do i find but VRW Owner!!!!! Mark Rinsem!!! Code check? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QRrxb.100944$[email hidden]...

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> Mark: > > What is the deal? You going around impersonating me and who knows > > what you been doing or saying? > > Below is what i found when i did a code check on my last name and who > > do i find but VRW Owner!!!!! Mark Rinsem!!! > > Don Wilshe >

Sounds like he may be tryin' to steal some of your mad props, my nigga'.

What the hell does this have to do with NR2003? -- ed_

If you use multiple names online it is linked with a code which anyone can look up. Pete "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3fc72f70$[email hidden]... > What the hell does this have to do with NR2003? > > -- > ed_ > >

I'd say someone got ahold of your serial number :( -Larry "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QRrxb.100944$[email hidden]...

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> Mark: > > What is the deal? You going around impersonating me and who knows > > what you been doing or saying? > > Below is what i found when i did a code check on my last name and who > > do i find but VRW Owner!!!!! Mark Rinsem!!! > > Don Wilshe > > ======================================================= > > > > > > For This Muzzle Code : !_BackInBlack > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/15/2003 4:19:00 PM > Updated-->9/15/2003 11:28:20 PM > ........................................................... > d_wilshe > Code----->00026184 > Added---->10/24/2003 8:58:08 PM > Updated-->11/15/2003 9:44:54 PM > ........................................................... > M Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/17/2003 6:37:33 PM > Updated-->11/26/2003 11:00:26 PM > ........................................................... > Mark Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/16/2003 1:40:28 PM > Updated-->11/20/2003 11:32:40 PM > ........................................................... > VRW-Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/27/2003 7:19:08 PM > Updated-->11/17/2003 9:36:58 PM > ........................................................... > > > >

"Pete" said: > If you use multiple names online it is linked with a code > which anyone can look up. Again - what does Mark impersonating Don have to do with NR2003 - the sim? It's a personal matter - yes. But it has absolutly nothing do do with NR2003 (as Don labeled his topic) IMHO. -- ed_

Is there a utility to do this? "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CrJxb.21566$[email hidden]...

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> If you use multiple names online it is linked with a code > which anyone can look up. > > Pete > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3fc72f70$[email hidden]... > > What the hell does this have to do with NR2003? > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > > >

Is there a utility to do this?

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> If you use multiple names online it is linked with a code > which anyone can look up. > Pete > > What the hell does this have to do with NR2003? > > -- > > ed_

In article <tsExb.3159$[email hidden]>, "jon" <[email hidden]> writes: >Sounds like he may be tryin' to steal some of your mad props, > Jon.... *sigh* Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Who is to say that it is not the other way around and Don is impersonating him? "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CrJxb.21566$[email hidden]...

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> If you use multiple names online it is linked with a code > which anyone can look up. > > Pete > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3fc72f70$[email hidden]... > > What the hell does this have to do with NR2003? > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > > >

Well I guess if racing online in N2003 and impersonating someone else while racing in N2003 has nothing to do with N2003 than I'm not sure what does. Pete "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3fc791b8$[email hidden]... > "Pete" said: > > Again - what does Mark impersonating Don have to do with NR2003 - the sim? > It's a personal matter - yes. But it has absolutly nothing do do withNR2003 > (as Don labeled his topic) IMHO. > > -- > ed_ > >

Its really very simple.. go check his name with CODE CHECK and tell me why my name is in his CD KEY. Go to http://68.62.180.53/codecheck/checkcode.asp enter in the partial.. rinsem tell me why my name is in his CD KEY use list. he has added my name d_wilshe The reason this isnt me is because all his usernames that you all know him by are there as well. Tell me why my name is amongst all of his. Unique Code you searched on: 00026184 Other ID's For This Muzzle Code : !_BackInBlack Code----->00026184 Added---->9/15/2003 4:19:00 PM Updated-->9/15/2003 11:28:20 PM ........................................................... d_wilshe Code----->00026184 Added---->10/24/2003 8:58:08 PM Updated-->11/15/2003 9:44:54 PM ........................................................... M Rinsem Code----->00026184 Added---->9/17/2003 6:37:33 PM Updated-->11/26/2003 11:00:26 PM ........................................................... Mark Rinsem Code----->00026184 Added---->9/16/2003 1:40:28 PM Updated-->11/20/2003 11:32:40 PM ........................................................... VRW-Rinsem Code----->00026184 Added---->9/27/2003 7:19:08 PM Updated-->11/17/2003 9:36:58 PM ........................................................... Don "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ibTxb.250273$ao4.889763@attbi_s51...

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> Who is to say that it is not the other way around and Don is impersonating > him? > > > "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:CrJxb.21566$[email hidden]... > > If you use multiple names online it is linked with a code > > which anyone can look up. > > > > Pete > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3fc72f70$[email hidden]... > > > What the hell does this have to do with NR2003? > > > > > > -- > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > > > >

My question is this... This is obviously not a Sierra or Papyrus web page. How the _hell_ did this guy collect all this information? Larry "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rcUxb.60112$[email hidden]... > Its really very simple.. go check his name with CODE CHECK and tell mewhy

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> my name is in his CD KEY. > > Go to http://68.62.180.53/codecheck/checkcode.asp > > enter in the partial.. rinsem > > tell me why my name is in his CD KEY use list. he has added my name > d_wilshe > > The reason this isnt me is because all his usernames that you all know him > by > are there as well. Tell me why my name is amongst all of his. > > Unique Code you searched on: 00026184 > > Other ID's For This Muzzle Code : !_BackInBlack > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/15/2003 4:19:00 PM > Updated-->9/15/2003 11:28:20 PM > ........................................................... > d_wilshe > Code----->00026184 > Added---->10/24/2003 8:58:08 PM > Updated-->11/15/2003 9:44:54 PM > ........................................................... > M Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/17/2003 6:37:33 PM > Updated-->11/26/2003 11:00:26 PM > ........................................................... > Mark Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/16/2003 1:40:28 PM > Updated-->11/20/2003 11:32:40 PM > ........................................................... > VRW-Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/27/2003 7:19:08 PM > Updated-->11/17/2003 9:36:58 PM > ........................................................... > > > > Don > > > > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ibTxb.250273$ao4.889763@attbi_s51... > > Who is to say that it is not the other way around and Don is

impersonating

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> > him? > > > > > > "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:CrJxb.21566$[email hidden]... > > > If you use multiple names online it is linked with a code > > > which anyone can look up. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3fc72f70$[email hidden]... > > > > What the hell does this have to do with NR2003? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > Jon.... *sigh* > > Eldred Guess the sim world just isn't ready for hip ghetto slang. Peace out.

>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > I'd say someone got ahold of your serial number :( No no Larry. Somebody just created d_wilshe, while Don probably uses dwhilshe. Everybody can create as much screenames as he wants. First one, first serve. It reminds me, on the NROS, that Dale Earnhardt Jr. would use "DaleJr_8" (IIRC). At one point TEN created free registration for a Talladega arena, so everybody could create screenames. I registered as a NROS_Guide, "DaIeJr_8", which actually, isn't the same! It's a capital "i" instead of the "l". Somebody could have easily impersonnated him without anybody knowing. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > This is obviously not a Sierra or Papyrus web page. How the _hell_ didthis > guy collect all this information? Simple AI bot, nothing wrong with that. It's public information. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

This coming from someone who impersonated a real-life sprint car driver to get his way into the VRW. Payback is a bitch, huh Don? "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rcUxb.60112$[email hidden]... > Its really very simple.. go check his name with CODE CHECK and tell mewhy

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> my name is in his CD KEY. > > Go to http://68.62.180.53/codecheck/checkcode.asp > > enter in the partial.. rinsem > > tell me why my name is in his CD KEY use list. he has added my name > d_wilshe > > The reason this isnt me is because all his usernames that you all know him > by > are there as well. Tell me why my name is amongst all of his. > > Unique Code you searched on: 00026184 > > Other ID's For This Muzzle Code : !_BackInBlack > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/15/2003 4:19:00 PM > Updated-->9/15/2003 11:28:20 PM > ........................................................... > d_wilshe > Code----->00026184 > Added---->10/24/2003 8:58:08 PM > Updated-->11/15/2003 9:44:54 PM > ........................................................... > M Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/17/2003 6:37:33 PM > Updated-->11/26/2003 11:00:26 PM > ........................................................... > Mark Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/16/2003 1:40:28 PM > Updated-->11/20/2003 11:32:40 PM > ........................................................... > VRW-Rinsem > Code----->00026184 > Added---->9/27/2003 7:19:08 PM > Updated-->11/17/2003 9:36:58 PM > ........................................................... > > > > Don > > > > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ibTxb.250273$ao4.889763@attbi_s51... > > Who is to say that it is not the other way around and Don is

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> > him? > > > > > > "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:CrJxb.21566$[email hidden]... > > > If you use multiple names online it is linked with a code > > > which anyone can look up. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3fc72f70$[email hidden]... > > > > What the hell does this have to do with NR2003? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"TDRacin� @ flashmail.com>" <TDRacin<nospammersnospammers> wrote in message news:ho3yb.4545$[email hidden]... > This coming from someone who impersonated a real-life sprint car driver to > get his way into the VRW. Payback is a bitch, huh Don? > Im flattered i just wanted to know on Oct 24, 2003 when he created the ID what he did and why. TD this is a problem you will have no problem with. lol.. No hard feelings Rinsem as long as you didnt wreck havoc at VRW on sierra boards pretending you were me! As an owner of a VRW team i would think that Nim Cross would have a problem also with the impersonation. Now if you wanted me to drive your car at VRW I can understand.. lol I think we, Nim and all just want to know why you impersonated me... TDRACING? why dont you use your real name and why do you impersonate TDRACING ...lol Sport Allen, Joey Aguiliar, Danny Martin, Wayne Reutianman, David Sliwak, Casey Johnson are all websites I host. They are all real drivers. Yes I do race under there names. But I am best know as racing as.... Don_Wilshe Busch Weiser Jake Barr Sport Allen DW

Yeah Don, yet you post on the VRW ng's as Sport Allen, not Don Wilshe. You didn't sign up for VRW as you, but impersonated someone because under your name you would not have been accepted. Sad that you have to do that, but with your reputation, it's understandable. TDRacin NOT TDRACING Get it right, and no impersonation needed. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Wv3yb.16626$[email hidden]... > > "TDRacin� @ flashmail.com>" <TDRacin<nospammersnospammers> wrote inmessage > news:ho3yb.4545$[email hidden]... > > This coming from someone who impersonated a real-life sprint car driverto > > get his way into the VRW. Payback is a bitch, huh Don? > > > > Im flattered i just wanted to know on Oct 24, 2003 when he created the ID > what he > did and why. TD this is a problem you will have no problem with. lol..No > hard > feelings Rinsem as long as you didnt wreck havoc at VRW on sierra boards > pretending you were me! As an owner of a VRW team i would think that > Nim Cross would have a problem also with the impersonation. Now if you > wanted me to drive your car at VRW I can understand.. lol I think we,Nim

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> and all just want to know why you impersonated me... > > TDRACING? why dont you use your real name and why do you impersonate > TDRACING ...lol > > Sport Allen, Joey Aguiliar, Danny Martin, Wayne Reutianman, David Sliwak, > Casey Johnson are > all websites I host. They are all real drivers. Yes I do race under

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> names. But I am > best know as racing as.... > > Don_Wilshe > Busch Weiser > Jake Barr > Sport Allen > > DW > >

Back to your hole. Spin it anyway your sad little mind can, you're still a slug in this community. You cheated in VRW, plain and simple, cut and dry. You can try to Slam Nim and VRW all you like, tho intelligent people know different. Some of the Rookies who haven't been around a while will fall into your BS and get stuck for a while, untill they smell your true stinch. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Wv3yb.16626$[email hidden]... > > "TDRacin� @ flashmail.com>" <TDRacin<nospammersnospammers> wrote inmessage > news:ho3yb.4545$[email hidden]... > > This coming from someone who impersonated a real-life sprint car driverto > > get his way into the VRW. Payback is a bitch, huh Don? > > > > Im flattered i just wanted to know on Oct 24, 2003 when he created the ID > what he > did and why. TD this is a problem you will have no problem with. lol..No > hard > feelings Rinsem as long as you didnt wreck havoc at VRW on sierra boards > pretending you were me! As an owner of a VRW team i would think that > Nim Cross would have a problem also with the impersonation. Now if you > wanted me to drive your car at VRW I can understand.. lol I think we,Nim

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> and all just want to know why you impersonated me... > > TDRACING? why dont you use your real name and why do you impersonate > TDRACING ...lol > > Sport Allen, Joey Aguiliar, Danny Martin, Wayne Reutianman, David Sliwak, > Casey Johnson are > all websites I host. They are all real drivers. Yes I do race under

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> names. But I am > best know as racing as.... > > Don_Wilshe > Busch Weiser > Jake Barr > Sport Allen > > DW > >

"TigerRag" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3fc90083$[email hidden]... > > You can try to Slam Nim > and VRW all you like Indeed when he said "owner" I thought he was talking about the owner of the league. I didn't realize VRW had many team "owners" in competition with one another.

In article <Wv3yb.16626$[email hidden]>, "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Sport Allen, Joey Aguiliar, Danny Martin, Wayne Reutianman, David Sliwak, >Casey Johnson are >all websites I host. They are all real drivers. Yes I do race under there >names. But I am >best know as racing as.... > >Don_Wilshe >Busch Weiser >Jake Barr >Sport Allen

Question - why *do* you have so many different IDs? Most people use the same one for all their accounts, or at least similar combinations. So I could understand if you had Don_Wilshe, DWilshe, or DonW. But Jake Barr and Sport Allen? I'm just *really* curious about that, but if it's none of my business feel free to tell me so. :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <Wv3yb.16626$[email hidden]>, "Don Wilshe" > <[email hidden]> writes: > Question - why *do* you have so many different IDs? Most people use thesame > one for all their accounts, or at least similar combinations. So I could > understand if you had Don_Wilshe, DWilshe, or DonW. But Jake Barr andSport > Allen? > I'm just *really* curious about that, but if it's none of my business feelfree > to tell me so. :-) > > Eldred Now you have me wondering. Does Don race under the name Mark Rinsem as well ? Anyone here know Mark Rinsem? Not accusing you here Don, just curious. Just want to know if Mark is a non-Wilshe entity.

Ok, I got it. I was under the impression that the guy was assigned a code that referred to Don's Serial Number. -larry "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CzXxb.25860$[email hidden]...

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> >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I'd say someone got ahold of your serial number :( > > > No no Larry. Somebody just created d_wilshe, while Don probably uses > dwhilshe. Everybody can create as much screenames as he wants. First one, > first serve. > > It reminds me, on the NROS, that Dale Earnhardt Jr. would use "DaleJr_8" > (IIRC). At one point TEN created free registration for a Talladega arena, > so everybody could create screenames. I registered as a NROS_Guide, > "DaIeJr_8", which actually, isn't the same! It's a capital "i" instead of > the "l". Somebody could have easily impersonnated him without anybody > knowing. > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

LOL! "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a8Vxb.15201$[email hidden]...

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > Jon.... *sigh* > > > > Eldred > > Guess the sim world just isn't ready for hip ghetto slang. Peace out. > > >

LOL! > > Jon.... *sigh* > > Eldred > Guess the sim world just isn't ready for hip ghetto slang. Peace out.

When you have made all your ID's 6, 7, and 8's. and you want to race and you only have 0 to race against.. wont you make more ids don > Question - why *do* you have so many different IDs? Most people use thesame > one for all their accounts, or at least similar combinations. So I could > understand if you had Don_Wilshe, DWilshe, or DonW. But Jake Barr andSport > Allen? > I'm just *really* curious about that, but if it's none of my business feelfree > to tell me so. :-)

"Don Wilshe" said: > When you have made all your ID's 6, 7, and 8's. and you want to > race and you only have 0 to race against.. wont you make more ids I think your missing (?) his point here Don... Why do you have multiple accounts *impersonating* other [real] people? -- ed_

Actually it was DaleJr3. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2ifyb.22724$yM6.21120@lakeread06... > Ok, I got it. > > I was under the impression that the guy was assigned a code that referredto

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> Don's Serial Number. > > -larry > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:CzXxb.25860$[email hidden]... > > >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > I'd say someone got ahold of your serial number :( > > > > > > No no Larry. Somebody just created d_wilshe, while Don probably uses > > dwhilshe. Everybody can create as much screenames as he wants. First

one, > > first serve. > > > > It reminds me, on the NROS, that Dale Earnhardt Jr. would use "DaleJr_8" > > (IIRC). At one point TEN created free registration for a Talladegaarena, > > so everybody could create screenames. I registered as a NROS_Guide, > > "DaIeJr_8", which actually, isn't the same! It's a capital "i" insteadof

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> > the "l". Somebody could have easily impersonnated him without anybody > > knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > >

>"TDRacin� @ flashmail.com>" <TDRacin<nospammersnospammers> wrote > Actually it was DaleJr3. Yeah, that was too long ago. Well, I also had "DaIeJr3" as a screename (impossible to notice, but it's a capital "i" instead of the L). But I never raced it 8) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> "Don Wilshe" said: > > > When you have made all your ID's 6, 7, and 8's. and you want to > > race and you only have 0 to race against.. wont you make more ids > > I think your missing (?) his point here Don... > > Why do you have multiple accounts *impersonating* other [real] people? >

Ask him specifically about the "Sport Allen" ID. The story behind that ID is the very reason I refused his admission into RASCAR...

In article <aOpyb.28321$[email hidden]>, "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> writes: >When you have made all your ID's 6, 7, and 8's. and you want to >race and you only have 0 to race against.. wont you make more ids > If I understand you correctly, your reason is because your skill level(rating) is too high? If that's the case, then the answer to your question is hell no. For one, I'll never get to an 8 rating. Don't get me started on how fucking *stupid* I think the rating system is... Two, if you're so good, why would you want to 'cherry pick' against novices? Three, even if the above two would ever happen to me, I certainly wouldn't pick a different name than my own. You have 9 letters in your name(not counting the space). Which means you can still make 9 other combinations of your real name just by dropping a different letter each time. I just don't understand the need to assume someone else's(real or fake) identity...<shrug> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > If I understand you correctly, your reason is because your > skill level(rating) is too high? I think Don means he doesn't want to break out "the good IDs" to race against the inexperienced or inept because, if he gets caught up in stuff, he loses a lot of rating points. > If that's the case, then the answer to your question is hell > no. For one, I'll never get to an 8 rating. Don't get me > started on how fucking *stupid* I think the rating system is... I hear you... > Two, if you're so good, why would you want to 'cherry pick' > against novices? In pick-up racing I certainly wouldn't, but in league racing one is often required to start at the bottom. It's a different ballgame when you're "supposed" to win as well.

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> Three, even if the above two would ever happen to me, I > certainly wouldn't pick a different name than my own. You > have 9 letters in your name(not counting the space). Which > means you can still make 9 other combinations of your real > name just by dropping a different letter each time. I just > don't understand the need to assume someone else's(real or > fake) identity...<shrug>

I understand where you're coming from, but having an online alias is common practise. I'd stop short of using someone else's name though, especially one belonging to someone I do business with. Jan. =---

>> If I understand you correctly, your reason is because your >> skill level(rating) is too high? > >I think Don means he doesn't want to break out "the good IDs" to race >against the inexperienced or inept because, if he gets caught up in stuff, >he loses a lot of rating points. So why join? I can't imagine it being too much fun to have a race full of people who can't keep the car pointed in the right direction. I'm slow as hell, but I don't join races like that.

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>> If that's the case, then the answer to your question is hell >> no. For one, I'll never get to an 8 rating. Don't get me >> started on how fucking *stupid* I think the rating system is... > >I hear you... > >> Two, if you're so good, why would you want to 'cherry pick' >> against novices? > >In pick-up racing I certainly wouldn't, but in league racing one is often >required to start at the bottom. It's a different ballgame when you're >"supposed" to win as well.

I've never heard that before. The couple of leagues that I ran, no one said anything about starting at the bottom. But I thought that's what people were saying before. To get in 'safer' races, join a league or pasworded server. But then the leagues had minimum rating levels, so that the people couldn't meet the minimum rating. Certainly those servers would allow a 6+ rating to join...? >I understand where you're coming from, but having an online alias is common >practise. I'd stop short of using someone else's name though, especially one >belonging to someone I do business with. I've never been big on the aliases, so we differ on that view. I don't have any problem with people knowing who I am when I join. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ed let me explain so even you can understand. I have 6 computers here. I have many of my friends of which are drivers. I have 8 legal copies of NASCAR 2003. Please recommend how i might race with the same ID on all 6 computers.. Thanks For Help Don Wilshe "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3fca418f$[email hidden]...

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> "Don Wilshe" said: > > > When you have made all your ID's 6, 7, and 8's. and you want to > > race and you only have 0 to race against.. wont you make more ids > > I think your missing (?) his point here Don... > > Why do you have multiple accounts *impersonating* other [real] people? > > -- > ed_ > >

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> Ed let me explain so even you can understand. > > I have 6 computers here. I have many of my friends of which are > drivers. I have 8 legal copies of NASCAR 2003. Please recommend > how i might race with the same ID on all 6 computers.. > > Thanks For Help

Are username & password tied up to one specific CD-key? (if so - I didnt know that...) Why do you race from different computers then? Must be bloddy timeconsuming to keep your setups updated on all 6 computers - all the time. Also, would it not be a whole lot easier and "cleaner" to register one varaiation of your own name one each computer? What about your friends - dont they have computers at home they race on too? Btw, you still failed to answer the question: > > Why do you have multiple accounts *impersonating* other [real] people? Impersonating - being the key word here ;-) -- ed_

> > > Why do you have multiple accounts *impersonating* other [real]people? > > Impersonating - being the key word here ;-) > > -- > ed_ Let me tell you again.. Sport Allen Joey Aguiliar Paulie Milum Danny Martin John Smith Casey Johnson are all real people I maintain there websites They are real people...They all race sprint cars They use the computers at my house. daaaaaaaaaaaa lol Don

"Don Wilshe" said: > > I maintain there websites > > They are real people...They all race sprint cars > > They use the computers at my house. Let me try one last time... Why do *you* impersonate them? (i.e why do enter races using "their" accounts/names ?) Seeing you brought up this impersonation topic, I thought you had an (better?) answer to your own question Don. -- ed_

Ed, think about it for a minute. Many of these people don't have the time to race online on a regular basis. Some of them when they do have the time, would like to race in a League or quality races. It requires a ranking to get in. Yes, Don has gone and raced using their names to get their numbers built up but that doesn't mean that the real people aren't using them. In fact I know they are. I have been in a few races over the last few years that were all professional racers. I was one of the few that wasn't. The problem was with conflicting schedules it was hard for them to race online as much as they would have liked. I can tell you it was a weird experience being in a mixed group of drivers that you sit and watch racing on Sundays. I will also add most of them were very good. Don was the match maker. Pete "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3fce62c3$[email hidden]...

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> > > Let me try one last time... > > Why do *you* impersonate them? > (i.e why do enter races using "their" accounts/names ?) > > Seeing you brought up this impersonation topic, I thought you had an > (better?) answer to your own question Don. > > > -- > ed_ > >

>> Ed, think about it for a minute. Many of these peopledon't have the time to race online on a regular basis. Some of them when they do have the time, would like to race in a League or quality races. It requires a ranking to get in. Yes, Don has gone and raced using their names to get their numbers built up but that doesn't mean that the real people aren't using them. In fact I know they are.>> Where I come from thats called a "ringer." Mike

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how anyone could use this as a positive argument. Anyone who is, on your word only, seriously committed to the 'community' of online racing can not possibly rationalize how inflating someone elses numbers just to get in a race, when they apparently cannot give the required time to earn that right themselves, and THEN hide behind the idea they are good enough to race there if not for rules requiring seat time, that this logic somehow makes sense is just plain silly at best. And the fact that others do it certaintly does not make it a license for people like him. Even someone who is a firend to you. Pete, I'm glad the guy helps you out emotionally. I think that's great. Honest. But it doesn't mean he treats everyone that way. I never even understood why he wanted to race in VRW in the first place. You have to wonder though. It does takes a different type of personality to want to race so badly with people who don't want you around that you would either cheat your way in, or Even Worse, recommend the place to people you care about. And, while I'm on this train to nowhere :) WHAT self-respectin real life driver with true loyalties would race in a league where their friends were ridiculed? I can't figure out who has less to offer don, his friends or the man on the ledge. :) -- Tim White "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jfAzb.11932$[email hidden]... > Yes, Don has gone and raced using their names to get > their numbers built up but that doesn't mean that the real > people aren't using them. In fact I know they are. > I have been in a few races over the last few years that > were all professional racers. I was one of the few that wasn't. > The problem was with conflicting schedules it was hard > for them to race online as much as they would have liked.

Tim, my head is in a total fog at the moment and I'm having a hard time reading the screen so please forgive me if this post isn't as coherent or well structured as I would like it to be. First let me say I'm not Don's keeper. The fact that I chose to call him a friend doesn't mean that I'm going to agree with everything he does or says. It doesn't mean that if I suggest he shouldn't do or say something that he is going to listen to me. Friendship can be based on many criteria and I decide who I will be friends with or not. Nobody tells me what I can or can't do. If I ask for their opinion I will listen to it. I try to reciprocate in kind. Most of my friends are unique and/or interesting characters. I don't have very many that are boring or not controversial. These kind of people can be difficult but they are stimulating mentally and sometimes physically. I have got in trouble for associating with different classes of people and many of my friends don't approve of some of my other friends. They range from Phd's to a Billionaire to a pennyless intellectual that lives on the streets to the odd individual who has run afoul of the law. I try not to judge them too harshly and hopefully they do me as well. Most people in this NG don't know the real me and if they judge me by the company I keep I can live with it. I will try and answer some of the points. "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yPMzb.76702$[email hidden]... > For the life of me, I cannot figure out how anyone could use this as apositive > argument. > > Anyone who is, on your word only, seriously committed to the 'community'of > online racing can not possibly rationalize how inflating someone elsesnumbers > just to get in a race, when they apparently cannot give the required timeto > earn that right themselves, and THEN hide behind the idea they are goodenough > to race there if not for rules requiring seat time, that this logicsomehow > makes sense is just plain silly at best. > > And the fact that others do it certaintly does not make it a license forpeople > like him. Even someone who is a firend to you. > > Pete, I'm glad the guy helps you out emotionally. I think that's great. > Honest. But it doesn't mean he treats everyone that way. I'm not going argue whether their choice was the right one or the wrong one. I wasn't involved in the decision. As far as helping other people I do know that he has helped many others both financially, finding jobs for them, making introductions and providing hardware when they couldn't afford to keep racing for a number of different reasons. Its not my place to name the particulars I'm familiar with because Don chose to not make them public and I will honour that. Most of what I know has been told to me by the individuals themselves and not Don. There are two sides to Don. Most of you have just seen the one side and thats a shame. If Don wants to project the image that he does publically thats his choice. > > I never even understood why he wanted to race in VRW in the first place.You > have to wonder though. It does takes a different type of personality towant to > race so badly with people who don't want you around that you would eithercheat > your way in, or Even Worse, recommend the place to people you care about. When Don told me he was trying to join VRW I asked him why he would want to. He then asked me if I wanted to and I declined. Don is a competitor and wants to race. He goes where people are the fastest and where biggest challenge is. As I have said to Doyle from what I witnessed he didn't race. I don't care if people don't accept my word or his but until they can prove otherwise they don't know anymore that what I have stated. They can make up all the stories they want. > > And, while I'm on this train to nowhere :) WHAT self-respectin real lifedriver > with true loyalties would race in a league where their friends wereridiculed? Most of these racers know nothing of any of that. They don't frequent these NG's and they run in their own circles. They know Don they have no idea who you or I or Nim etc are. > > I can't figure out who has less to offer don, his friends or the man onthe > ledge. > :) > As I have said Tim you make your own choices I make mine and they make theirs. I have said this before and will probably say it again. If a person learns from their mistakes I should be the smartest person alive. But I'm not and don't pretend to be. On the other hand I know what the choices were and made them of my own freewill and will live with consequences. Forgive me if there are mistakes as I don't have the energy to proof this. Pete