OLR newsletter

Some FYI info on how to spot cheaters. At lest someone is making a stand! >>>>>>>Cheats I wanted to give everybody and update on cheats for nascar. In the past few days I have tested the cheats, as well as speaking with different companies that deal with cheats on FPS games. I will say this, it's much harder to cheat on OLR than it is on Sierra. The way the cheat works, is that you run this program, then start NASCAR. In the game, you have to disconnect. Not all the way out, but to the point where it ask you to reconnect, then you start up this program and you can change from clear to cloudy, weather settings and other variables. On Sierra it's so much easier; because you don't have to disconnect. You only need to go into sierra and make the change then go into your race and not worry about disconnecting. On OLR, it takes you all the way into the game, so drivers have no choice but to disconnect. On some settings, you have to try repeated times of connecting and disconnecting until you can get in. From the other end, it's really obvious; because you will see somebody saying they are trying to connect and disconnect multiple times. For Flashpoint starting the winter season, we are not going to allow drivers to reconnect. Also, on OLR there is no need to set practice for 30 minutes to an hour; because you can setup your own race anytime you want to gain the practice needed. We are going to run it just like the TEN days when I used to run in OSCAR and FssPro. If qualify started at 9:30pm ET, we used to have the RS create the race at 9:15pm ET and would keep it in staging for 10 minutes and would do his DM Drivers Meeting. It was so much better back then; because everybody was present and the admin and go over the rules. We had practice set for 5 to 10 minutes and we go into the race. From then on, no reconnects are allowed. It's during this time where people can cheat. I can almost guarantee you, from the changes above you will see a few fast drivers quit OLR; because they will know their lap times will be slower and will make any kind of excuse as to why they are quitting. I have also contacted 3 companies that deal with cheats on First Person Shooter type games and is very successful stopping this. We currently have other methods to detect, but I plan to do much more on spotting who are cheaters are. I will say this... I am not going to tell you when I get this new software installed; because I plan to catch these people in the act and will remove them from OLR without any hesitation. They can keep their money and go elsewhere. Also, we have ways of telling who is signing up, so don't try creating another screen name or using fictitious names. I have seen some cheaters sign up as other screen names who were fast drivers and is no longer here. I'm sure you have noticed some drivers not racing anymore on OLR that was really fast. We have already taken action and will continue to do so when it comes to cheats. As you see, we are not sleeping as some people have said on the forums.

OLR rules. :-) PeptoJoe www.peptojoe.com "SPEED" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f4yb.9415$[email hidden]...

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> Some FYI info on how to spot cheaters. At lest someone is making a stand! > > >>>>>>> > Cheats > > I wanted to give everybody and update on cheats for nascar. In the past > few days I have tested the cheats, as well as speaking with different > companies that deal with cheats on FPS games. I will say this, it's much > harder to cheat on OLR than it is on Sierra. The way the cheat works, is > that you run this program, then start NASCAR. In the game, you have to > disconnect. Not all the way out, but to the point where it ask you to > reconnect, then you start up this program and you can change from clear to > cloudy, weather settings and other variables. On Sierra it's so much > easier; because you don't have to disconnect. You only need to go into > sierra and make the change then go into your race and not worry about > disconnecting. On OLR, it takes you all the way into the game, so drivers > have no choice but to disconnect. On some settings, you have to try > repeated times of connecting and disconnecting until you can get in. From > the other end, it's really obvious; because you will see somebody saying > they are trying to connect and disconnect multiple times. > > For Flashpoint starting the winter season, we are not going to allow > drivers to reconnect. Also, on OLR there is no need to set practice for > 30 minutes to an hour; because you can setup your own race anytime you > want to gain the practice needed. We are going to run it just like the > TEN days when I used to run in OSCAR and FssPro. If qualify started at > 9:30pm ET, we used to have the RS create the race at 9:15pm ET and would > keep it in staging for 10 minutes and would do his DM Drivers Meeting. It > was so much better back then; because everybody was present and the admin > and go over the rules. We had practice set for 5 to 10 minutes and we go > into the race. From then on, no reconnects are allowed. It's during this > time where people can cheat. > > I can almost guarantee you, from the changes above you will see a few fast > drivers quit OLR; because they will know their lap times will be slower > and will make any kind of excuse as to why they are quitting. I have also > contacted 3 companies that deal with cheats on First Person Shooter type > games and is very successful stopping this. We currently have other > methods to detect, but I plan to do much more on spotting who are cheaters > are. I will say this... I am not going to tell you when I get this new > software installed; because I plan to catch these people in the act and > will remove them from OLR without any hesitation. They can keep their > money and go elsewhere. Also, we have ways of telling who is signing up, > so don't try creating another screen name or using fictitious names. I > have seen some cheaters sign up as other screen names who were fast > drivers and is no longer here. I'm sure you have noticed some drivers not > racing anymore on OLR that was really fast. We have already taken action > and will continue to do so when it comes to cheats. As you see, we are > not sleeping as some people have said on the forums. > >

Making a stand or self promotion? "SPEED" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f4yb.9415$[email hidden]...

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> Some FYI info on how to spot cheaters. At lest someone is making a stand! > > >>>>>>> > Cheats > > I wanted to give everybody and update on cheats for nascar. In the past > few days I have tested the cheats, as well as speaking with different > companies that deal with cheats on FPS games. I will say this, it's much > harder to cheat on OLR than it is on Sierra. The way the cheat works, is > that you run this program, then start NASCAR. In the game, you have to > disconnect. Not all the way out, but to the point where it ask you to > reconnect, then you start up this program and you can change from clear to > cloudy, weather settings and other variables. On Sierra it's so much > easier; because you don't have to disconnect. You only need to go into > sierra and make the change then go into your race and not worry about > disconnecting. On OLR, it takes you all the way into the game, so drivers > have no choice but to disconnect. On some settings, you have to try > repeated times of connecting and disconnecting until you can get in. From > the other end, it's really obvious; because you will see somebody saying > they are trying to connect and disconnect multiple times. > > For Flashpoint starting the winter season, we are not going to allow > drivers to reconnect. Also, on OLR there is no need to set practice for > 30 minutes to an hour; because you can setup your own race anytime you > want to gain the practice needed. We are going to run it just like the > TEN days when I used to run in OSCAR and FssPro. If qualify started at > 9:30pm ET, we used to have the RS create the race at 9:15pm ET and would > keep it in staging for 10 minutes and would do his DM Drivers Meeting. It > was so much better back then; because everybody was present and the admin > and go over the rules. We had practice set for 5 to 10 minutes and we go > into the race. From then on, no reconnects are allowed. It's during this > time where people can cheat. > > I can almost guarantee you, from the changes above you will see a few fast > drivers quit OLR; because they will know their lap times will be slower > and will make any kind of excuse as to why they are quitting. I have also > contacted 3 companies that deal with cheats on First Person Shooter type > games and is very successful stopping this. We currently have other > methods to detect, but I plan to do much more on spotting who are cheaters > are. I will say this... I am not going to tell you when I get this new > software installed; because I plan to catch these people in the act and > will remove them from OLR without any hesitation. They can keep their > money and go elsewhere. Also, we have ways of telling who is signing up, > so don't try creating another screen name or using fictitious names. I > have seen some cheaters sign up as other screen names who were fast > drivers and is no longer here. I'm sure you have noticed some drivers not > racing anymore on OLR that was really fast. We have already taken action > and will continue to do so when it comes to cheats. As you see, we are > not sleeping as some people have said on the forums. > >

Self promotion or not, I thought OLR was very helpful in posting this. Thanks for the info OLR. I've heard nothing but good things about your service. "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_x4yb.112609$[email hidden]... > Making a stand or self promotion? > > "SPEED" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3f4yb.9415$[email hidden]... > > Some FYI info on how to spot cheaters. At lest someone is making astand! > > > > >>>>>>> > > Cheats > > > > I wanted to give everybody and update on cheats for nascar. In thepast > > few days I have tested the cheats, as well as speaking with different > > companies that deal with cheats on FPS games. I will say this, it's much > > harder to cheat on OLR than it is on Sierra. The way the cheat works,is > > that you run this program, then start NASCAR. In the game, you have to > > disconnect. Not all the way out, but to the point where it ask you to > > reconnect, then you start up this program and you can change from clearto > > cloudy, weather settings and other variables. On Sierra it's so much > > easier; because you don't have to disconnect. You only need to go into > > sierra and make the change then go into your race and not worry about > > disconnecting. On OLR, it takes you all the way into the game, sodrivers > > have no choice but to disconnect. On some settings, you have to try > > repeated times of connecting and disconnecting until you can get in.From

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> > the other end, it's really obvious; because you will see somebody saying > > they are trying to connect and disconnect multiple times. > > > > For Flashpoint starting the winter season, we are not going to allow > > drivers to reconnect. Also, on OLR there is no need to set practice for > > 30 minutes to an hour; because you can setup your own race anytime you > > want to gain the practice needed. We are going to run it just like the > > TEN days when I used to run in OSCAR and FssPro. If qualify started at > > 9:30pm ET, we used to have the RS create the race at 9:15pm ET and would > > keep it in staging for 10 minutes and would do his DM Drivers Meeting.

It > > was so much better back then; because everybody was present and theadmin > > and go over the rules. We had practice set for 5 to 10 minutes and wego > > into the race. From then on, no reconnects are allowed. It's duringthis > > time where people can cheat. > > > > I can almost guarantee you, from the changes above you will see a fewfast > > drivers quit OLR; because they will know their lap times will be slower > > and will make any kind of excuse as to why they are quitting. I havealso > > contacted 3 companies that deal with cheats on First Person Shooter type > > games and is very successful stopping this. We currently have other > > methods to detect, but I plan to do much more on spotting who arecheaters > > are. I will say this... I am not going to tell you when I get this new > > software installed; because I plan to catch these people in the act and > > will remove them from OLR without any hesitation. They can keep their > > money and go elsewhere. Also, we have ways of telling who is signingup, > > so don't try creating another screen name or using fictitious names. I > > have seen some cheaters sign up as other screen names who were fast > > drivers and is no longer here. I'm sure you have noticed some driversnot > > racing anymore on OLR that was really fast. We have already takenaction > > and will continue to do so when it comes to cheats. As you see, we are > > not sleeping as some people have said on the forums. > > > > > >

When I can find the time to get back to racing, OLR is where I will be. -- Tim White "Joe Flanagan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8m4yb.173$[email hidden]... > OLR rules. :-) > > PeptoJoe > www.peptojoe.com >

When you finhd a cheater, are you going to let the rest of us know? In article <3f4yb.9415$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Some FYI info on how to spot cheaters. At lest someone is making a stand! > > >>>>>>> > Cheats > > I wanted to give everybody and update on cheats for nascar. In the past > few days I have tested the cheats, as well as speaking with different > companies that deal with cheats on FPS games. I will say this, it's much > harder to cheat on OLR than it is on Sierra. The way the cheat works, is > that you run this program, then start NASCAR. In the game, you have to > disconnect. Not all the way out, but to the point where it ask you to > reconnect, then you start up this program and you can change from clear to > cloudy, weather settings and other variables. On Sierra it's so much > easier; because you don't have to disconnect. You only need to go into > sierra and make the change then go into your race and not worry about > disconnecting. On OLR, it takes you all the way into the game, so drivers > have no choice but to disconnect. On some settings, you have to try > repeated times of connecting and disconnecting until you can get in. From > the other end, it's really obvious; because you will see somebody saying > they are trying to connect and disconnect multiple times. > > For Flashpoint starting the winter season, we are not going to allow > drivers to reconnect. Also, on OLR there is no need to set practice for > 30 minutes to an hour; because you can setup your own race anytime you > want to gain the practice needed. We are going to run it just like the > TEN days when I used to run in OSCAR and FssPro. If qualify started at > 9:30pm ET, we used to have the RS create the race at 9:15pm ET and would > keep it in staging for 10 minutes and would do his DM Drivers Meeting. It > was so much better back then; because everybody was present and the admin > and go over the rules. We had practice set for 5 to 10 minutes and we go > into the race. From then on, no reconnects are allowed. It's during this > time where people can cheat. > > I can almost guarantee you, from the changes above you will see a few fast > drivers quit OLR; because they will know their lap times will be slower > and will make any kind of excuse as to why they are quitting. I have also > contacted 3 companies that deal with cheats on First Person Shooter type > games and is very successful stopping this. We currently have other > methods to detect, but I plan to do much more on spotting who are cheaters > are. I will say this... I am not going to tell you when I get this new > software installed; because I plan to catch these people in the act and > will remove them from OLR without any hesitation. They can keep their > money and go elsewhere. Also, we have ways of telling who is signing up, > so don't try creating another screen name or using fictitious names. I > have seen some cheaters sign up as other screen names who were fast > drivers and is no longer here. I'm sure you have noticed some drivers not > racing anymore on OLR that was really fast. We have already taken action > and will continue to do so when it comes to cheats. As you see, we are > not sleeping as some people have said on the forums. > > >

That would be nice... a list of all proven cheaters.

>>>>>Making a stand or self promotion? Schooner - I was not promoting OLR. I simply posted their newsletter. It contained some worthy reading material. It's nice to see someone is finally going to make a stand! Let's hope other servers will follow.

Sorry for the negative tone, just been getting a lot of emails and seeing them posting a lot lately. They seemed to be slamming the Sierra servers a bit was all that I noted. "SPEED" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:F09yb.16624$[email hidden]... > >>>>>Making a stand or self promotion? > > Schooner - I was not promoting OLR. I simply posted their newsletter. It > contained some worthy reading material. It's nice to see someone isfinally > going to make a stand! Let's hope other servers will follow. > >

In article <F09yb.16624$[email hidden]>, "SPEED" <[email hidden]> writes: >Schooner - I was not promoting OLR. I simply posted their newsletter. It >contained some worthy reading material. It's nice to see someone is finally >going to make a stand! Let's hope other servers will follow. Doesn't sound like anything an individual who's running a server can do about it... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I think it's just a real cheap shoot promotion thing. Unless the can *proove* me wrong- I'll continue to believe so... -- ed_ "Joel Brown" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:qL4yb.45304$yJ.38855@okepread02... > Self promotion or not, I thought OLR was very helpful in posting this. > > Thanks for the info OLR. I've heard nothing but good things about your > service. > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_x4yb.112609$[email hidden]... > > Making a stand or self promotion? > > > > "SPEED" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3f4yb.9415$[email hidden]... > > > Some FYI info on how to spot cheaters. At lest someone is making a > stand! > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > Cheats > > > > > > I wanted to give everybody and update on cheats for nascar. In the > past > > > few days I have tested the cheats, as well as speaking with different > > > companies that deal with cheats on FPS games. I will say this, it's much > > > harder to cheat on OLR than it is on Sierra. The way the cheat works, > is > > > that you run this program, then start NASCAR. In the game, you have to > > > disconnect. Not all the way out, but to the point where it ask you to > > > reconnect, then you start up this program and you can change from clear > to > > > cloudy, weather settings and other variables. On Sierra it's so much > > > easier; because you don't have to disconnect. You only need to go into > > > sierra and make the change then go into your race and not worry about > > > disconnecting. On OLR, it takes you all the way into the game, so > drivers > > > have no choice but to disconnect. On some settings, you have to try > > > repeated times of connecting and disconnecting until you can get in. > From > > > the other end, it's really obvious; because you will see somebody saying > > > they are trying to connect and disconnect multiple times. > > > > > > For Flashpoint starting the winter season, we are not going to allow > > > drivers to reconnect. Also, on OLR there is no need to set practice for > > > 30 minutes to an hour; because you can setup your own race anytime you > > > want to gain the practice needed. We are going to run it just like the > > > TEN days when I used to run in OSCAR and FssPro. If qualify started at > > > 9:30pm ET, we used to have the RS create the race at 9:15pm ET and would > > > keep it in staging for 10 minutes and would do his DM Drivers Meeting. > It > > > was so much better back then; because everybody was present and the > admin > > > and go over the rules. We had practice set for 5 to 10 minutes and we > go > > > into the race. From then on, no reconnects are allowed. It's during > this > > > time where people can cheat. > > > > > > I can almost guarantee you, from the changes above you will see a few > fast > > > drivers quit OLR; because they will know their lap times will be slower > > > and will make any kind of excuse as to why they are quitting. I have > also > > > contacted 3 companies that deal with cheats on First Person Shooter type > > > games and is very successful stopping this. We currently have other > > > methods to detect, but I plan to do much more on spotting who are > cheaters > > > are. I will say this... I am not going to tell you when I get this new > > > software installed; because I plan to catch these people in the act and > > > will remove them from OLR without any hesitation. They can keep their > > > money and go elsewhere. Also, we have ways of telling who is signing > up, > > > so don't try creating another screen name or using fictitious names. I > > > have seen some cheaters sign up as other screen names who were fast > > > drivers and is no longer here. I'm sure you have noticed some drivers > not > > > racing anymore on OLR that was really fast. We have already taken > action > > > and will continue to do so when it comes to cheats. As you see, we are > > > not sleeping as some people have said on the forums. > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Doesn't sound like anything an individual who's running a server can > do about it... > > Eldred Well IF OLR is getting a 'cheat detector' utility...they should be free to use it as they will on their servers. What would be good for the community as a whole....would be to provide the utility to any organization/individual that hosts on Sierra. The only drawback to this, would be the utility finding it's way into the hands of cheaters providing the cheaters with a working program to examine and thus find a way to bypass the detection code. A third option would be for the commercial companies that build these fps cheat detectors to SELL a racing version to server hosts. I imagine there would be several of the proffesional hosts that would appreciate this kind of program. dave henrie

It's funny how some people in this newsgroup can turn anything to a negative. I give free hours for people to test out OLR and get negative feedback. So I decide to go from Mon thru Sat and again negative. The companies I deal with doesn't come cheap. People who continue to cheat get more and more cleaver and continue to find different ways of cheating, and again you have to get with programmers to create more sophisticated programs to detect, then they continue to waste their freaking time with nothing better to do than find other ways to cheat. If they just spend half of their time PRACTICING then finding ways to cheat, they would achieve the same result! When I did the testing I was just about to hang it up and quit all together. We are doing over 40,000 in prizes each year and I'm spending some serious bucks in programming, so we can have only our drivers who win based on practice to get awarded. I wish I had 5000 extra per month to spare, only to make the few happy to race for free, but I don't have that kind of money to blow away. As for slamming Sierra, I don't know where that can from. I see many negative post on here from people slamming each other to post that is so far out in OT, I don't know why post about OLR would be any different? The email that I sent out was to all OLR members and former members telling them what they can do in the meantime. If somebody is going to post on this forum; which seems to be owned and monitored by those posting negative responses, then this is my last thread on this newsgroup. when I sent that to all members, I was beyond pissed with these guys cheating and planned to spend whatever it takes. For those that get upset with that and complain; because I don't give them what they want for free; because of the amount of money I spend on this? You are more than happen to sell that to my wife, I'm sure she will give you a better answer than me. My goal has always been to provide as much features as possible for the same price. If you hate it, then don't join. Again, this is my last post. Have fun guys, I'm signing off. Joe Lomas President Onlineracin.com,Inc. http://onlineracin.com We Provide Web Hosting Solutions http://frshosting.com

ED, as I stated before - I was not promoting OLR. I simply posted their newsletter. It contained some worthy reading material. I am not part of OLR. I signed up for their newsletter a while back and thought, hey.. finally heres some good news... Sounds like your a little worried, ED. Just about everyone here is all for some sort of cheat protection program. Dunno who play's BF1942 but there's a guy, Dr.Kenneth who created cheat programs and now he turned the tables. He's creating anti-cheat programs for all servers.. Maybe this will happen here too.. Let's hope. So before there's another.. oh oh oh its a self promotion... BS... give it a break. If your against servers running anti-cheat programs then we all know who the cheater is. Like some else stated. There's not to much private or individual servers can do. So at this point sierra racing is still safe for cheaters unless the host knows what to look for. Such as racers disconnecting and reconnecting.

In article <3fc96ee7$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I think it's just a real cheap shoot promotion thing. Unless the can > *proove* me wrong- I'll continue to believe so... > There's been talk floating around that papy and sierra knows about this cheat. If OLR has come up with a way to prevent someone from using it (or at least detect people who *are* using it, it's a valuable feather in their marketing cap. However, they will have to prove that they can do so. I'd personally like to be able to prevent reconnecting like so: 1) For x number of minutes 2) x number of times 3) or not at all 4) I'd also like to be able to disable alt-tab so they can't tab out of the game while playing online.

In article <4Anyb.17511$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > If your against servers running anti-cheat programs then we all know > who the cheater is. Now, that was un-called for. I know for a fact that Ed doesn't cheat, and you're an asshole for even implying it. Beyond that, (and you should read this several times just to get it through your sloped forehead), nobody here said anything about being "against servers running anti-cheat programs". Finally, Ed is entitled to his opinion. If his opinion is that this was a self-promoting publicity gimmick, then let him think that. I saw it as a fair warning to the people who utilize this type of cheat that their days are numbered on OLR. I hope that OLR sees fit to share with us the people that are cheating so that we can take measures to include these people in our muzzle lists when we encounter them. I hate to invoke the name, but the DMCA is a handy tool to pursue and prosecute people because "cheating" is bypassing the protections offered and implemented by the software, and it effectively deprives other customers of the services they're paying for.

I'm in the same boat, Eldred. In the WSRL, we use 90 minute practice sessions before qual and race. I'm considering setting up my league server to run an 80 minute practice session, shutdown the NR03 host, re-fire the host with a 10 minute practice session (followed by qual and race), and not allow anyone to disconnect once the server has re-fired the 10 minute session. From what I read in Joe's message from OLR, that format would keep the cheating at bay, correct? -Paul Eigsti -League & Server admin Western States Racing League www.wsrlracing.com My e-mail address is false. Please reply to this news group. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Doesn't sound like anything an individual who's running a server can doabout

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Again, sorry if my original reply seemed so negative, it just seemed like a "join OLR because only we can stop cheating" post. That and the fact that I seem to get 1-2 emails a week now from some old account I signed up with. I appreciate everything people do for this sport but remember OLR is also a commercial venture, not a community one so its a fine line IMHO. Perhaps that is why you sometimes get the negative feedback. As for your reply, it seems your as negative and bitter as those you accuse, again that may be why you get the negative feedback. "Joe Lomas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It's funny how some people in this newsgroup can turn anything to a > negative. I give free hours for people to test out OLR and get > negative feedback. So I decide to go from Mon thru Sat and again > negative. The companies I deal with doesn't come cheap. People who > continue to cheat get more and more cleaver and continue to find > different ways of cheating, and again you have to get with programmers > to create more sophisticated programs to detect, then they continue to > waste their freaking time with nothing better to do than find other > ways to cheat. If they just spend half of their time PRACTICING then > finding ways to cheat, they would achieve the same result! > > When I did the testing I was just about to hang it up and quit all > together. We are doing over 40,000 in prizes each year and I'm > spending some serious bucks in programming, so we can have only our > drivers who win based on practice to get awarded. I wish I had 5000 > extra per month to spare, only to make the few happy to race for free, > but I don't have that kind of money to blow away. As for slamming > Sierra, I don't know where that can from. I see many negative post on > here from people slamming each other to post that is so far out in OT, > I don't know why post about OLR would be any different? The email that > I sent out was to all OLR members and former members telling them what > they can do in the meantime. If somebody is going to post on this > forum; which seems to be owned and monitored by those posting negative > responses, then this is my last thread on this newsgroup. when I > sent that to all members, I was beyond pissed with these guys cheating > and planned to spend whatever it takes. For those that get upset with > that and complain; because I don't give them what they want for free; > because of the amount of money I spend on this? You are more than > happen to sell that to my wife, I'm sure she will give you a better > answer than me. > > My goal has always been to provide as much features as possible for > the same price. If you hate it, then don't join. Again, this is my > last post. Have fun guys, I'm signing off. > > Joe Lomas > President > Onlineracin.com,Inc. > http://onlineracin.com > We Provide Web Hosting Solutions > http://frshosting.com

John- who in the hell do you think you are you pompous asshole. Where do you get off calling me " and you're an asshole " screw you bud. I take it your another one of those lame ass cheaters. Actually I could care less what you think of me and God Damn it, again... when I posted that newsletter. And read very very very carefully... I WAS NOT PROMOTING OLR. That newsletter contained some worthy reading material on cheaters...you dumbass. so chill out.. man, your going to give yourself a heart attack if you keep lashing out like that.

John... why so angry bud... are your racing days over?? lmao hey hey hey gooood bye.... EVERYBODY.. hey hey hey gooood bye.. cheater!

Don't let em get to ya Joe. You guys offer a terrific service and I for one (and many other silent types) appreciate it. The info that was posted was very helpful. Thanks Mitch "Joe Lomas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It's funny how some people in this newsgroup can turn anything to a > negative. I give free hours for people to test out OLR and get > negative feedback. So I decide to go from Mon thru Sat and again > negative. The companies I deal with doesn't come cheap. People who > continue to cheat get more and more cleaver and continue to find > different ways of cheating, and again you have to get with programmers > to create more sophisticated programs to detect, then they continue to > waste their freaking time with nothing better to do than find other > ways to cheat. If they just spend half of their time PRACTICING then > finding ways to cheat, they would achieve the same result! > > When I did the testing I was just about to hang it up and quit all > together. We are doing over 40,000 in prizes each year and I'm > spending some serious bucks in programming, so we can have only our > drivers who win based on practice to get awarded. I wish I had 5000 > extra per month to spare, only to make the few happy to race for free, > but I don't have that kind of money to blow away. As for slamming > Sierra, I don't know where that can from. I see many negative post on > here from people slamming each other to post that is so far out in OT, > I don't know why post about OLR would be any different? The email that > I sent out was to all OLR members and former members telling them what > they can do in the meantime. If somebody is going to post on this > forum; which seems to be owned and monitored by those posting negative > responses, then this is my last thread on this newsgroup. when I > sent that to all members, I was beyond pissed with these guys cheating > and planned to spend whatever it takes. For those that get upset with > that and complain; because I don't give them what they want for free; > because of the amount of money I spend on this? You are more than > happen to sell that to my wife, I'm sure she will give you a better > answer than me. > > My goal has always been to provide as much features as possible for > the same price. If you hate it, then don't join. Again, this is my > last post. Have fun guys, I'm signing off. > > Joe Lomas > President > Onlineracin.com,Inc. > http://onlineracin.com > We Provide Web Hosting Solutions > http://frshosting.com

You can say WHATEVER you want about Simmons but he's not a cheater. "SPEED" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0aqyb.17777$[email hidden]... > John... why so angry bud... are your racing days over?? lmao > > hey hey hey gooood bye.... EVERYBODY.. hey hey hey gooood bye.. cheater! > >

Joe, the problem with this logic is when it comes from a mindset, mostly one that enjoys racing. Most cheaters don't cheat because they can't drive fast any other way; they cheat because hacking is where they get their pleasure. You have to keep in mind that sims, particularly racing ones, are the only gaming genre where cheat codes are frowned upon. Just watch the next commercial for some action game, or the next magazine issue for gaming, and you'll see them blatantly advertise cheat codes. It is part of gaming, and something racing sim enthusiasts will always have to deal with. I applaud your efforts in maintaining the spirit of sim racing and I've told you before; Don't get so upset when people flame you for 'not doing enough' or whatever negative comes from your open forum and two, in my opinion, anyone who offers a pay to play service for sim racing should be required to do everything possible to maintain a standard of hack free racing. You do it as good as anyone Joe. Just keep in mind, most people who support you, they just choose to be silent about it, which I suppose is understandable these days. :)) Keep up the good work. -- Tim White "Joe Lomas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > they continue to > waste their freaking time with nothing better to do than find other > ways to cheat. If they just spend half of their time PRACTICING then > finding ways to cheat, they would achieve the same result!

You know, that was such a big deal when TEN was around. That alone stopped a lot of hacks until N2003 made it true Win native. -- Tim White "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > 4) I'd also like to be able to disable alt-tab so they can't tab out > of the game while playing online. >

In article <%9qyb.17776$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > John- > who in the hell do you think you are you pompous asshole. Where do you get > off calling me " and you're an asshole " screw you bud. I take it your > another one of those lame ass cheaters. Yah - you caught me. I'm the biggest fuckin cheater out there, and everyone that comeptes against me are just kidding themselves if they think I'm gonna let them win any races... > Actually I could care less what you think of me "Actually", I don't know who the fuck you are because you're hiding behind some "lame ass" nickname. But you know what? You use the same typing style as Don Wilshe, and that makes you an un-educated loser AND an asshole. > and God Damn it, again... when I posted that newsletter. And > read very very very carefully... I WAS NOT PROMOTING OLR. That newsletter > contained some worthy reading material on cheaters...you dumbass. so chill > out.. man, your going to give yourself a heart attack if you keep lashing > out like that. It's apparent that your attention span is exceeded by most single- celled organisms, because you missed this part of my post: > > Finally, Ed is entitled to his opinion. If his opinion is > > that this was a self-promoting publicity gimmick, then let > > him think that. I saw it as a fair warning to the people > > who utilize this type of cheat that their days are numbered > > on OLR. Let me spell it out for you - I didn't say that I thought it was a promotion gimmick. I said *Ed* did.

"SPEED" wrote: > John- > who in the hell do you think you are you pompous asshole. Where do you get > off calling me " and you're an asshole " screw you bud. I take ityour > another one of those lame ass cheaters. Actually I could care less whatyou > think of me and God Damn it, again... when I posted that newsletter. And > read very very very carefully... I WAS NOT PROMOTING OLR. That newsletter > contained some worthy reading material on cheaters...you dumbass. so chill > out.. man, your going to give yourself a heart attack if you keep lashing > out like that. Did you actually *read* John's post? It was responding not to your OLR newsletter post but your response to Ed - a well known and respected poster on this newsgroup, suggesting *he* was a cheat. Which is a pretty wild accusation to have made as a relative newcomer and anonymous poster to the group. If you did read John's post he is in agreement with the efforts to counteract cheating, which makes your subsquent post somewhat absurd. If you fill the need for a slanging match with John feel free, but the phrase "lamb to the slaughter" comes to mind. Cheers Tony

Speed, you have no idea, do you? If you come in to a news group and call not one but two people a cheater, you better have the proof, and provide it. Otherwise, keep your mouth shut. Theres an old saying: "Know thy enemy". And you just made minimum one enemy. I suggest you check around the sim community and find out who the two people are, you called cheaters. Actually, I encourage you to go to The Pits or Racesim Central formus with your accusations, and see the response you get. The majority of the posters in this ng are hardcore simmers, and we dispise cheats. So I suggest you refrain from making baseless accusations if someone has a different opinion than yours. I applaud what OLR is trying to do. I hope it succeeds. I also hope that they share with the whole sim community, any cheaters that they find and ban. Steve

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>I'm in the same boat, Eldred. > >In the WSRL, we use 90 minute practice sessions before qual and race. I'm >considering setting up my league server to run an 80 minute practice >session, shutdown the NR03 host, re-fire the host with a 10 minute practice >session (followed by qual and race), and not allow anyone to disconnect once >the server has re-fired the 10 minute session. >

Can you block people from reconnecting in the game, or are you talking about booting anyone who does? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >I hope that OLR sees fit to share with us the people that are >cheating so that we can take measures to include these people in our >muzzle lists when we encounter them. Definitely. Like someone else said, post the list! But then you have to make *sure* the person is a cheater, otherwise you get into slanderous comments... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <4Anyb.17511$[email hidden]>, "SPEED" <[email hidden]> writes: >So before there's another.. oh oh oh its a self promotion... BS... give it a >break. If your against servers running anti-cheat programs then we all know >who the cheater is. Like some else stated. There's not to much private or >individual servers can do. So at this point sierra racing is still safe for >cheaters unless the host knows what to look for. Such as racers >disconnecting and reconnecting. Problem is, how do you tell if someone disconnects because they're cheating, or just because their connection is flaky? I'd hate to boot someone just because he's having problems... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <0aqyb.17777$[email hidden]>, "SPEED" <[email hidden]> writes: >John... why so angry bud... are your racing days over?? lmao > >hey hey hey gooood bye.... EVERYBODY.. hey hey hey gooood bye.. cheater! John isn't a cheater... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (Joe Lomas) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > It's funny how some people in this newsgroup can turn anything to a > negative. Sorry if my post came across as negative or blasting OLR. I was trying to NOT to be attacking. I think I commented on how it would be "nice" if OLR would release it's cheat checking program, but of course I wasn't thinking of the whole picture...you probably would have to pay for such a program and to just give it away was naive thinking on my part. I don't run OLR for two reasons...well...three actually..:) 1. I have a very irregualar work schedule so finding a consistant time to race is difficult..2. I prefer road racing to ovals...3. I figure the skill level of a 'pay to race' series has got to be high and committed. Well beyond my skills....but I do applaud the concept and I really must say you have built an amazing product. dave henrie

Eldred, you can see everyone's ping rates in the race menu. -- Tim White "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Problem is, how do you tell if someone disconnects because they're cheating, or > just because their connection is flaky? I'd hate to boot someone just because > he's having problems... >

>Eldred, you can see everyone's ping rates in the race menu. Sure, but ping rate alone isn't always a determinant of how good someone's conection is. Jan always had really high pings, but I don't think he got disco'd often. But yeah, that's something to look for. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > Did you actually *read* John's post? > > It was responding not to your OLR newsletter post but your response to Ed - > a well known and respected poster on this newsgroup, suggesting *he* was a > cheat. Which is a pretty wild accusation to have made as a relative newcomer > and anonymous poster to the group. > > If you did read John's post he is in agreement with the efforts to > counteract cheating, which makes your subsquent post somewhat absurd. > > If you fill the need for a slanging match with John feel free, but the > phrase "lamb to the slaughter" comes to mind.

Reading comprehension is overrated if you ask me, just read the first few words and fill in the blanks yourself, makes for much more entertaining reading and leads to some spectacularly amusing arguments....for the bystanders :-) Something tells me that our friend SPEED here has a temper, I know the feeling.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"SPEED" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0aqyb.17777$[email hidden]... > John... why so angry bud... are your racing days over?? lmao > > hey hey hey gooood bye.... EVERYBODY.. hey hey hey gooood bye.. cheater! > > Now this has to be the most thought provoking post I've read in a while. just made me think you were an idiot over and over.

I was talking about manually ejecting anyone who disconnects and re-connects during the 10 minute practice session before qual. I don't know of any automated way of blocking re-connects. -Paul Eigsti -League & Server admin Western States Racing League www.wsrlracing.com My e-mail address is false. Please reply to this news group. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Can you block people from reconnecting in the game, or are you talkingabout

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> booting anyone who does? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Member > Screamers Racing League > IICC League > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Maybe, if your running a league, and you have guys who get disconnects, AND you can't be 100% + they are not hacking, you could require them to take a prov, or even take a lap penalty. If I got booted, I'd rather be allowed to reconnect, and take my lumps from having to deal with a disconnect in the way of a racing penalty, than being banned altogether. Tough call either way but that might give a guy the benefit of doubt. -- Tim White "Paul E" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OrRyb.25004$9O5.17645@fed1read06... > I was talking about manually ejecting anyone who disconnects and re-connects > during the 10 minute practice session before qual. I don't know of any > automated way of blocking re-connects. >

"Joel Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qL4yb.45304$yJ.38855@okepread02... > Self promotion or not, I thought OLR was very helpful in posting this. > > Thanks for the info OLR. I've heard nothing but good things about your > service. You have obviously only talked to people happy with the service then. There are those, myself included, that will quit racing if OLR is the only way to do it.

Great idea, Tim. :) Thanks! -Paul Eigsti -League & Server admin Western States Racing League www.wsrlracing.com My e-mail address is false. Please reply to this news group. "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JtWyb.54624$[email hidden]... > Maybe, if your running a league, and you have guys who get disconnects,AND you > can't be 100% + they are not hacking, you could require them to take aprov, or > even take a lap penalty. > > If I got booted, I'd rather be allowed to reconnect, and take my lumpsfrom > having to deal with a disconnect in the way of a racing penalty, thanbeing

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> banned altogether. > > Tough call either way but that might give a guy the benefit of doubt. > > -- > Tim White > > > "Paul E" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:OrRyb.25004$9O5.17645@fed1read06... > > I was talking about manually ejecting anyone who disconnects andre-connects > > during the 10 minute practice session before qual. I don't know of any > > automated way of blocking re-connects. > > > >

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>"Joel Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:qL4yb.45304$yJ.38855@okepread02... >> Self promotion or not, I thought OLR was very helpful in posting this. >> >> Thanks for the info OLR. I've heard nothing but good things about your >> service. > >You have obviously only talked to people happy with the service then. There >are those, myself included, that will quit racing if OLR is the only way to >do it.

Is there anyplace where us 'outsiders' can go to hear the whole story? I probably wouldn't race with them because of the cost(it would be wasted money in my case), but that doesn't mean I'm not curious... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <JtWyb.54624$[email hidden]>, "Tim" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Maybe, if your running a league, and you have guys who get disconnects, AND >you >can't be 100% + they are not hacking, you could require them to take a prov, >or >even take a lap penalty. > >If I got booted, I'd rather be allowed to reconnect, and take my lumps from >having to deal with a disconnect in the way of a racing penalty, than being >banned altogether. > >Tough call either way but that might give a guy the benefit of doubt.

Cool idea. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <hB4zb.59103$[email hidden]>, "SimRacer" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >"Joel Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:qL4yb.45304$yJ.38855@okepread02... > >> Self promotion or not, I thought OLR was very helpful in posting this. > >> > >> Thanks for the info OLR. I've heard nothing but good things about your > >> service. > > > >You have obviously only talked to people happy with the service then.

There > >are those, myself included, that will quit racing if OLR is the only wayto > >do it. > > Is there anyplace where us 'outsiders' can go to hear the whole story? I > probably wouldn't race with them because of the cost(it would be wastedmoney > in my case), but that doesn't mean I'm not curious... > > Eldred I am not the type to air dirty laundry in public Eldred. Suffice it to say that my problem with OLR is more personal than professional, and goes back quite a while, pretty much back to their humble beginnings in rural SC and their original network problems with Quest. My main issue was with their LAN event in Myrtle Beach a couple of years ago and some dood named Jamie Blackmon (sp?) IIRC. It was a 'good old boys club' if you will, and if you weren't privileged enough to be in it, tough luck. Honestly, for their (OLR's) cost per person per month, you could pool that money within a league, rent a good co-lo dedicated server somewhere and be in total control. Stat scripts are a dime a dozen and the hierarchy of the league would be in it for the racing too, not the profits. I don't care for the commerical aspect of the whole deal and at the end of the day you have to know that OLR's bottom line WILL superscede any of the users' concerns or problems. Their recent concern with cheating within NR2003 is a positive sign, but they are not the only group working on it and AFAIK are not the only fix to it either. A league I run in recently had discussions about changing over to them and cooler heads prevailed, and it was decided to stay on the dedicated server/website system we were already into. We lost maybe 1 person over the disagreement, but I think we made the correct decision. They may be able to stay around for a good while (I predicted their demise before now and they are still going), it appears to draw a lot of newbs to online racing and I guess it can be a good introduction to online racing, but for those of us that were here before they showed up and know how things can be without the influence of commercial interdiction, it isn't all that appealing really. To each their own, but to me, it is really difficult to beat a solid, member-run league on their own server with their own website. Maybe it can serve a larger purpose and that is to be the best place for pickup races? I don't know as I don't do that. Best of luck to them, but I will never race there.

You're right, having a league-run server is an alternative that works better than anything else possible. The only thing I see that OLR would be good for is pickup racing, but even then whenever I would log on there, it was always a ghost town, so it's purpose for that wasn't any good either. While I like the PPV aspect of online racing, the core group of sim racers that made pickup racing fun isn't there anymore. I was a pickup racer from hell on TEN (as well as running in many leagues), but pickup racing is nothing like it used to be unfortunately. "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ncszb.52091$[email hidden]... > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <hB4zb.59103$[email hidden]>,"SimRacer" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >"Joel Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:qL4yb.45304$yJ.38855@okepread02... > > >> Self promotion or not, I thought OLR was very helpful in postingthis. > > >> > > >> Thanks for the info OLR. I've heard nothing but good things aboutyour > > >> service. > > > > > >You have obviously only talked to people happy with the service then. > There > > >are those, myself included, that will quit racing if OLR is the onlyway > to > > >do it. > > > > Is there anyplace where us 'outsiders' can go to hear the whole story?I

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> > probably wouldn't race with them because of the cost(it would be wasted > money > > in my case), but that doesn't mean I'm not curious... > > > > Eldred > > I am not the type to air dirty laundry in public Eldred. Suffice it to say > that my problem with OLR is more personal than professional, and goes back > quite a while, pretty much back to their humble beginnings in rural SC and > their original network problems with Quest. My main issue was with their

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> event in Myrtle Beach a couple of years ago and some dood named Jamie > Blackmon (sp?) IIRC. It was a 'good old boys club' if you will, and if you > weren't privileged enough to be in it, tough luck. > > Honestly, for their (OLR's) cost per person per month, you could pool that > money within a league, rent a good co-lo dedicated server somewhere and be > in total control. Stat scripts are a dime a dozen and the hierarchy of the > league would be in it for the racing too, not the profits. I don't care

for > the commerical aspect of the whole deal and at the end of the day you have > to know that OLR's bottom line WILL superscede any of the users' concernsor > problems. Their recent concern with cheating within NR2003 is a positive > sign, but they are not the only group working on it and AFAIK are not the > only fix to it either. A league I run in recently had discussions about > changing over to them and cooler heads prevailed, and it was decided tostay > on the dedicated server/website system we were already into. We lost maybe1 > person over the disagreement, but I think we made the correct decision. > > They may be able to stay around for a good while (I predicted their demise > before now and they are still going), it appears to draw a lot of newbs to > online racing and I guess it can be a good introduction to online racing, > but for those of us that were here before they showed up and know howthings > can be without the influence of commercial interdiction, it isn't all that > appealing really. To each their own, but to me, it is really difficult to > beat a solid, member-run league on their own server with their ownwebsite. > Maybe it can serve a larger purpose and that is to be the best place for > pickup races? I don't know as I don't do that. Best of luck to them, but I > will never race there. > >

"TDRacin� @ flashmail.com>" <TDRacin<nospammersnospammers> wrote in message news:fGtzb.8637$[email hidden]... > You're right, having a league-run server is an alternative that worksbetter > than anything else possible. The only thing I see that OLR would be good > for is pickup racing, but even then whenever I would log on there, it was > always a ghost town, so it's purpose for that wasn't any good either.While > I like the PPV aspect of online racing, the core group of sim racers that > made pickup racing fun isn't there anymore. I was a pickup racer fromhell > on TEN (as well as running in many leagues), but pickup racing is nothing > like it used to be unfortunately. > > Thanks for the kind response. Normally I have to board up the windows and keep the M4 by the bed when I pan on OLR...Nothing, in my long experience (been around since just before TEN shut down), is as good as a friendly and *professionally* run league scenario, period. And by professionally, I don't mean compensated admins either, I mean to a higher and consistent standard than the fly-by-night leagues that pop-up weekly, site hosted on free web space and run on residential cable modem connected servers... :-) I also mean run by guys that love it enough to get in there each night and mix it up with you and not just cash the checks at the end of the month. But, that's just me.