RASCAR: Lemans Sarthe. Setup??

The fast setup won't work here. I havent been able to locate a Expert setup. Any ideas? I have a decent setup that will last the race. Mitch

I have a setup that will do 220 on Mulsanne. It does well everywhere else. The only problem with it, is 1st and 2nd are real slow. It might be a good place to start, and then just set one setup as the one we use. Install it on the server and use it. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League OAO CORS MARA TransAm RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 TransAm Rank ??

Well, in lieu of a decent fixed setup, can we make it an open race? I'll be willing to run with whatever... Whatever is going to happen needs to happen soon :) -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w6JJb.5503$[email hidden]... > The fast setup won't work here. I havent been able to locate a Expert > setup. Any ideas? I have a decent setup that will last the race. > > Mitch > >

Mitch, I'm not so sure the FAST setup is all that bad... It tops out at about 115 on that long straight, with about 500 revs left. When I think of the incredible drafts we are going to find ourselves in here, you can't really change the gearing any shorter. I tried it one notch and was on the light. With the draft, we'll be blowing engines. This much I know. This track has a Pucker-Factor of 10, that's for sure :) One mistake here, and you are definitely done for the day. -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w6JJb.5503$[email hidden]... > The fast setup won't work here. I havent been able to locate a Expert > setup. Any ideas? I have a decent setup that will last the race. > > Mitch > >

One other thing that should be considered is changing the track.ini to match the settings shown at http://www.theuspits.com/sims/nascar_racing/tptcc-faq.html. I haven't tried this yet, but it might be a solution to the right front temp problem. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w6JJb.5503$[email hidden]... > The fast setup won't work here. I havent been able to locate a Expert > setup. Any ideas? I have a decent setup that will last the race. > > Mitch > >

We are talking about the 8 mile course here right? If so, think you meant 215. Anyway, I don't see how setup matters that much here for a fixed league race... I mean it is not like it is uncontrollable. BTW, in the draft I was hitting 220+. Either way, the guy that doesn't touch the walls will win here... touch the walls and your car simply dies. Brian Oster On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:14:10 -0500, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Mitch, > >I'm not so sure the FAST setup is all that bad... > >It tops out at about 115 on that long straight, with about 500 revs left. >When I think of the incredible drafts we are going to find ourselves in >here, you can't really change the gearing any shorter. I tried it one notch >and was on the light. With the draft, we'll be blowing engines. > >This much I know. This track has a Pucker-Factor of 10, that's for sure :) > >One mistake here, and you are definitely done for the day. > >-Larry > >"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:w6JJb.5503$[email hidden]... >> The fast setup won't work here. I havent been able to locate a Expert >> setup. Any ideas? I have a decent setup that will last the race. >> >> Mitch >> >> >

Should we consider reducing the damage level if it is unrealistic at this track? David G Fisher "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> We are talking about the 8 mile course here right? If so, think you > meant 215. Anyway, I don't see how setup matters that much here for a > fixed league race... I mean it is not like it is uncontrollable. BTW, > in the draft I was hitting 220+. Either way, the guy that doesn't > touch the walls will win here... touch the walls and your car simply > dies. > > Brian Oster > > On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:14:10 -0500, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Mitch, > > > >I'm not so sure the FAST setup is all that bad... > > > >It tops out at about 115 on that long straight, with about 500 revs left. > >When I think of the incredible drafts we are going to find ourselves in > >here, you can't really change the gearing any shorter. I tried it one

notch > >and was on the light. With the draft, we'll be blowing engines. > > > >This much I know. This track has a Pucker-Factor of 10, that's for sure:) > > > >One mistake here, and you are definitely done for the day. > > > >-Larry > >

Nah, it's my only chance to have a decent finishing spot... just sit in the pits until everyone touches the walls and loses their engines. :) Brian Oster On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:32:47 -0500, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Should we consider reducing the damage level if it is unrealistic at this >track? > >David G Fisher > >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> We are talking about the 8 mile course here right? If so, think you >> meant 215. Anyway, I don't see how setup matters that much here for a >> fixed league race... I mean it is not like it is uncontrollable. BTW, >> in the draft I was hitting 220+. Either way, the guy that doesn't >> touch the walls will win here... touch the walls and your car simply >> dies. >> >> Brian Oster >> >> On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:14:10 -0500, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Mitch, >> > >> >I'm not so sure the FAST setup is all that bad... >> > >> >It tops out at about 115 on that long straight, with about 500 revs left. >> >When I think of the incredible drafts we are going to find ourselves in >> >here, you can't really change the gearing any shorter. I tried it one >notch >> >and was on the light. With the draft, we'll be blowing engines. >> > >> >This much I know. This track has a Pucker-Factor of 10, that's for sure >:) >> > >> >One mistake here, and you are definitely done for the day. >> > >> >-Larry >> > >

Yes, 215. And you're right. The only skill needed is to not touch anything. If you do, you're gone. Hopefully that's out of my system after last week :) -Larry "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> We are talking about the 8 mile course here right? If so, think you > meant 215. Anyway, I don't see how setup matters that much here for a > fixed league race... I mean it is not like it is uncontrollable. BTW, > in the draft I was hitting 220+. Either way, the guy that doesn't > touch the walls will win here... touch the walls and your car simply > dies. > > Brian Oster > > On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:14:10 -0500, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Mitch, > > > >I'm not so sure the FAST setup is all that bad... > > > >It tops out at about 115 on that long straight, with about 500 revs left. > >When I think of the incredible drafts we are going to find ourselves in > >here, you can't really change the gearing any shorter. I tried it one

notch > >and was on the light. With the draft, we'll be blowing engines. > > > >This much I know. This track has a Pucker-Factor of 10, that's for sure:)

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> > > >One mistake here, and you are definitely done for the day. > > > >-Larry > > > >"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:w6JJb.5503$[email hidden]... > >> The fast setup won't work here. I havent been able to locate a Expert > >> setup. Any ideas? I have a decent setup that will last the race. > >> > >> Mitch > >> > >> > > >

Mitch_A wrote: > The fast setup won't work here. I havent been able to locate a Expert > setup. Any ideas? I have a decent setup that will last the race. Don't know if you guys will like it, but I've uploaded a Sarthe race setup to my website yesterday. Achim

Nice setup Achim. I did a 305.8 with it just now. It handles very nicely, especially during the long, sweeping right hander at the end of the s/f line straight. Hit 204 before braking. I think I lose time to you under braking. Is there a replay analyzer that I can use to view our laps side by side? It's too late though to use your setup for the RASCAR race Sat., but glad you made it available. People have been practicing with JS's setup (also very good, 306.3 is my best so far) this week, and the main difference (to me at least) between the two seems to be the gearing. David G Fisher "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:btghea$72aol$[email hidden]...

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> Mitch_A wrote: > > > The fast setup won't work here. I havent been able to locate a Expert > > setup. Any ideas? I have a decent setup that will last the race. > > Don't know if you guys will like it, but I've uploaded a Sarthe race > setup to my website yesterday. > > Achim >

I think Achim's gearbox and JS's chassis is a real good setup. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League OAO CORS MARA TransAm RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 TransAm Rank ??

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:49:48 -0500, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Nice setup Achim. I did a 305.8 with it just now. It handles very nicely, >especially during the long, sweeping right hander at the end of the s/f line >straight. Hit 204 before braking. I think I lose time to you under braking. > >Is there a replay analyzer that I can use to view our laps side by side? > >It's too late though to use your setup for the RASCAR race Sat., but glad >you made it available. People have been practicing with JS's setup (also >very good, 306.3 is my best so far) this week, and the main difference (to >me at least) between the two seems to be the gearing. > >David G Fisher

I optimized 5th for the other three straights, using 6th only on Mulsanne-that seemed to help. Alas even the latest version of Replay Analyser doesn't work-doing a quick and dirty comparison Achim is much faster than I am through the first righthander leading to the Indianapolis lefthander, and also beats me pretty handily in Maison Blanche, tho he burns off enough momentum on the exit that I match his speed at the S/F. I have a replay of a John Prather 3:03 lap he did in a race I was in with him, and he is either burning his engine out, or did something arcane because his top speeds are unreal, approaching 220 at the end of Mulsanne. 8-o John DiFool

David G Fisher wrote: > Nice setup Achim. I did a 305.8 with it just now. It handles very nicely, > especially during the long, sweeping right hander at the end of the s/f line > straight. Hit 204 before braking. I think I lose time to you under braking. > > Is there a replay analyzer that I can use to view our laps side by side? Thanks for the info, David. Regarding the Replay Analyzer, Martin Granberg's N2003RA allows you to compare two or more laps in realtime (the cars being represented by lines drawn on the track in realtime). It also has a 'merge' feature, but I've never tried that and don't know whether it simply appends the one to the other so you get one file, or whether it actually overlays the two cars. Achim

David G Fisher wrote: > I think I lose time to you under braking. I just remembered, I've been asked by someone else regarding my braking just recently. He said he can't avoid locking up when braking as hard as I do. I didn't think of this at first, but it could very well be the pedals I'm using. These E3000 pedals have improved my braking and accelerating considerably, I'm a lot cleaner and smoother now thanks to them. Maybe that's the reason why you lose time under braking. Just guessing here of course. Achim

> Don't know if you guys will like it, but I've uploaded a Sarthe race > setup to my website yesterday. > I wouldn't mind trying it, Where's the site?

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:59:16 +0100, Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>David G Fisher wrote: >> Nice setup Achim. I did a 305.8 with it just now. It handles very nicely, >> especially during the long, sweeping right hander at the end of the s/f line >> straight. Hit 204 before braking. I think I lose time to you under braking. >> >> Is there a replay analyzer that I can use to view our laps side by side? > >Thanks for the info, David. > >Regarding the Replay Analyzer, Martin Granberg's N2003RA allows you to >compare two or more laps in realtime (the cars being represented by >lines drawn on the track in realtime). > >It also has a 'merge' feature, but I've never tried that and don't know >whether it simply appends the one to the other so you get one file, or >whether it actually overlays the two cars. > >Achim

So Le Mans works for you in RA Achim? It gives me an: "Error reported in c:\devstuff\n2003ra\jonas\decode\N4ObjectFactory.cpp near line 471. Error message: object id=4 is invalid, expecting object id=3 for next object. This is in RA 2.21. John DiFool

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>David G Fisher wrote: >> I think I lose time to you under braking. > >I just remembered, I've been asked by someone else regarding my braking >just recently. He said he can't avoid locking up when braking as hard as >I do. > >I didn't think of this at first, but it could very well be the pedals >I'm using. These E3000 pedals have improved my braking and accelerating >considerably, I'm a lot cleaner and smoother now thanks to them. > >Maybe that's the reason why you lose time under braking. Just guessing >here of course. > >Achim

That's one area where I match you very well. A brake bias of ~58% really helps there, IF you can avoid getting loose at that setting. John DiFool

On 9 Jan 2004 07:22:37 -0800, [email hidden] (mcewena) wrote: >> Don't know if you guys will like it, but I've uploaded a Sarthe race >> setup to my website yesterday. >> >I wouldn't mind trying it, Where's the site? http://users.skynet.be/AchimT/start.html J. D.

It's such a large track that it's hard to tell where I was losing the 1.8 seconds. It's a pain to practice because it's so large as well. Make a mistake, and you have to wait three minutes to try again. :-) David G Fisher "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:btm5ok$90i9t$[email hidden]...

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> David G Fisher wrote: > > I think I lose time to you under braking. > > I just remembered, I've been asked by someone else regarding my braking > just recently. He said he can't avoid locking up when braking as hard as > I do. > > I didn't think of this at first, but it could very well be the pedals > I'm using. These E3000 pedals have improved my braking and accelerating > considerably, I'm a lot cleaner and smoother now thanks to them. > > Maybe that's the reason why you lose time under braking. Just guessing > here of course. > > Achim >

I was thinking about trying that as well. David G Fisher "ZZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jWoLb.1954$[email hidden]...

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> I think Achim's gearbox and JS's chassis is a real good setup. > > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > Member: > Screamers Racing League > OAO > CORS > MARA TransAm > RASCAR > GPL Rank + 17.415 > MoGPL Rank + 318.586 > N2002 Rank + 7.695 > TransAm Rank ?? > > > >

David spoke: It's such a large track that it's hard to tell where I was losing the 1.8 seconds. It's a pain to practice because it's so large as well. Make a mistake, and you have to wait three minutes to try again. :-) David G Fisher ----------------------------- I don't think you'll ever practice the Nurburgring then. Make a mistake there and it's any where between 7 and 12 minutes to do it again, and again,and again, etc. lol -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League OAO CORS MARA TransAm RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 TransAm Rank ??

I have the same error. "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > So Le Mans works for you in RA Achim? It gives me an: > > "Error reported in > c:\devstuff\n2003ra\jonas\decode\N4ObjectFactory.cpp > near line 471. Error message: object id=4 is invalid, expecting > object id=3 for next object. > > This is in RA 2.21. > > John DiFool >

John DiFool wrote: > So Le Mans works for you in RA Achim? Works fine here, in RA 2.22 Achim

Correction, it works with the latest version, which was released Dec. 30. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I have the same error. > > "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > So Le Mans works for you in RA Achim? It gives me an: > > > > "Error reported in > > c:\devstuff\n2003ra\jonas\decode\N4ObjectFactory.cpp > > near line 471. Error message: object id=4 is invalid, expecting > > object id=3 for next object. > > > > This is in RA 2.21. > > > > John DiFool > > > >

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 02:41:31 +0100, Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>John DiFool wrote: > >> So Le Mans works for you in RA Achim? > >Works fine here, in RA 2.22 > >Achim

Ah, didn't know there was ANOTHER update past the one I saw in the Pits in early December... Thanks. John DiFool

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:55:29 -0500, ZZ wrote: > I don't think you'll ever practice the Nurburgring then. Make a mistake > there and it's any where between 7 and 12 minutes to do it again, and > again,and again, etc. lol > Unless you have the mighty "Ringtrainer". Now the Nordschleife would / should be a blast in those TPTCC cars... <dreams> Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Uwe wished: Now the Nordschleife would / should be a blast in those TPTCC cars... <dreams> Uwe --------------------------------- Is possible. Someone here must have the link. It's to early in the morning for me to hunt for it now. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League OAO CORS MARA TransAm RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 TransAm Rank ??

Uwe Sch�rkamp wrote: > Unless you have the mighty "Ringtrainer". Now the Nordschleife would / > should be a blast in those TPTCC cars... <dreams> What is the Ringtrainer? And - the Nordschleife _is_ a blast in the TPTCC cars :) Achim

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>Uwe wished: >Now the Nordschleife would / >should be a blast in those TPTCC cars... <dreams> > >Uwe >--------------------------------- >Is possible. Someone here must have the link. It's to early in the morning >for me to hunt for it now.

Isn't too hard to do manually-just set the first pit stall to the desired dlong value (backing up the old one of course-the Ring is 22000 and some odd meters long, remember!), and off you go... John DiFool

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 05:18:27 GMT, John DiFool <[email hidden]> wrote: >I >have a replay of a John Prather 3:03 lap he did in a race I >was in with him, and he is either burning his engine out, or >did something arcane because his top speeds are unreal, >approaching 220 at the end of Mulsanne. 8-o That depends, is running the springs rully soft with 1 compression and stiffer rebound arcane? Jason

Was he in a draft at the time? "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > I have a replay of a John Prather 3:03 lap he did in a race I > was in with him, and he is either burning his engine out, or > did something arcane because his top speeds are unreal, > approaching 220 at the end of Mulsanne. 8-o > > John DiFool >

jason moyer wrote: ... > > That depends, is running the springs rully soft with 1 compression and > stiffer rebound arcane? Maybe JdF's local replay showed a too high speed. John Prather says his setup can't go 220 at 70� Clear without draft. He says it seems to maxx out at about the same speed where the setup I uploaded maxxes out, and only go a mile or two faster under specific circumstances (entry into Mulsanne perfect, and later in the race). Regarding the speed increase later in the race, I wonder whether Papy still models this 'tempest in the bowl' thing, where the fact that the air starts rotating with the cars in an oval after the cars have been driving round and round for a while makes them faster by reducing drag. I think I remember Papy modelled this in a version of Nx (although I may be mistaken), and since I can't imagine they had a different way except to decrease drag after a certain percentage of laps into the race, this might happen on roadies as well. Incorrectly but explainable? Achim

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> > I optimized 5th for the other three straights, using 6th only on > Mulsanne-that seemed to help. Alas even the latest version of > Replay Analyser doesn't work-doing a quick and dirty comparison > Achim is much faster than I am through the first righthander > leading to the Indianapolis lefthander, and also beats me > pretty handily in Maison Blanche, tho he burns off enough > momentum on the exit that I match his speed at the S/F. I > have a replay of a John Prather 3:03 lap he did in a race I > was in with him, and he is either burning his engine out, or > did something arcane because his top speeds are unreal, > approaching 220 at the end of Mulsanne. 8-o > > John DiFool

Hi all, Well John, I appreciate the "words of support" but, i've never gotten near 220 on mulsanne at 70/clear with no draft. I remember that race though, it was fun :). Anyway, I found the replay of the lap in question (the 3:03), and my max speed on mulsanne is 216. I know earlier in the race when I was drafting with you and some other drivers I may very well have hit 220 but not solo. John

Probably not - you can do this with rear compression 1 and rebound 9. Creates a really 'interesting' effect over the jump at the end of the straight ;) Feels like that merx that flipped over once. Regards "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Was he in a draft at the time? > > "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I have a replay of a John Prather 3:03 lap he did in a race I > > was in with him, and he is either burning his engine out, or > > did something arcane because his top speeds are unreal, > > approaching 220 at the end of Mulsanne. 8-o > > > > John DiFool > > > >

John Prather says in another message that it was in a draft. I'm curious though, have you actually done this? I know that trick works on speedways but that's a totally different situation. On a speedway you are using the banking to compress the car and the damping to achieve full compression earlier and maintain it longer. At LeMans the only place that you are going to get compression at anywhere near top speed is going over the hill, immediately after which you have to get on the brakes. Doesn't seem like it could make a big difference when the effect would only be working over a relatively small distance. If it does then I would tend to think that the aero maps aren't quite right yet. "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bts6hr$pl4$[email hidden]... > Probably not - you can do this with rear compression 1 and rebound 9. > Creates a really 'interesting' effect over the jump at the end of the > straight ;) Feels like that merx that flipped over once. > > Regards >

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> John Prather says in another message that it was in a draft. I'm curious > though, have you actually done this? I know that trick works on speedways > but that's a totally different situation. On a speedway you are using the > banking to compress the car and the damping to achieve full compression > earlier and maintain it longer. At LeMans the only place that you are going > to get compression at anywhere near top speed is going over the hill, > immediately after which you have to get on the brakes. Doesn't seem like it > could make a big difference when the effect would only be working over a > relatively small distance. If it does then I would tend to think that the > aero maps aren't quite right yet. > > > "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bts6hr$pl4$[email hidden]... > > Probably not - you can do this with rear compression 1 and rebound 9. > > Creates a really 'interesting' effect over the jump at the end of the > > straight ;) Feels like that merx that flipped over once. > > > > Regards > >

Me and a couple of others were playing around with 1/9 when we were trying to get the maximum possible top speed... Indeed, the two people who were using the 1/9 rear shock setup also had a synchronized blow over at the hill/turn... of course being 40/cloudy with a 5 car draft pack and a 30mph tailwind didnt help im sure... im not sure if the top speed difference is huge over say 1/5 or something, but it probably works a little bit John

On 11 Jan 2004 18:58:06 -0800, [email hidden] (John Prather) wrote: >Me and a couple of others were playing around with 1/9 when we were >trying to get the maximum possible top speed... Indeed, the two people >who were using the 1/9 rear shock setup also had a synchronized blow >over at the hill/turn... Have we determined if someone saved that replay? I've gone through the stuff I saved and I don't think I have that one... Jason

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>jason moyer wrote: >... >> >> That depends, is running the springs rully soft with 1 compression and >> stiffer rebound arcane? > >Maybe JdF's local replay showed a too high speed. John Prather says his >setup can't go 220 at 70� Clear without draft. He says it seems to maxx >out at about the same speed where the setup I uploaded maxxes out, and >only go a mile or two faster under specific circumstances (entry into >Mulsanne perfect, and later in the race). >

Okay, I exaggerated a bit, he only did 217 that I could see- still an amazing lap. And I leave the setup knowhow to Achim, as I am not a wrenchhead by any stretch of the imagination... John DiFool

On 11 Jan 2004 10:32:19 -0800, [email hidden] (John Prather) wrote:

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> >Well John, I appreciate the "words of support" but, i've never gotten >near 220 on mulsanne at 70/clear with no draft. I remember that race >though, it was fun :). Anyway, I found the replay of the lap in >question (the 3:03), and my max speed on mulsanne is 216. I know >earlier in the race when I was drafting with you and some other >drivers I may very well have hit 220 but not solo. > >John

Yes, I exaggerated a bit-I guess it >seemed< like your straight speeds (217-I just checked) were that quick, when you are nailing almost every turn. :-) Wish I could get out of the apex like you guys do (I invariably spin and/or my wheel starts oscillating like mad-let me guess you don't use FF...). John D

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > John Prather says in another message that it was in a draft. I'm curious > though, have you actually done this? I know that trick works on speedways > but that's a totally different situation. On a speedway you are using the > banking to compress the car and the damping to achieve full compression > earlier and maintain it longer. At LeMans the only place that you aregoing > to get compression at anywhere near top speed is going over the hill, > immediately after which you have to get on the brakes. Doesn't seem likeit > could make a big difference when the effect would only be working over a > relatively small distance. If it does then I would tend to think that the > aero maps aren't quite right yet. > Yes Hal. I was messing about yesterday and by setting the rear shocks like I said I got 118 and a back-flip. Give it a go ;)

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> > "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bts6hr$pl4$[email hidden]... > > Probably not - you can do this with rear compression 1 and rebound 9. > > Creates a really 'interesting' effect over the jump at the end of the > > straight ;) Feels like that merx that flipped over once. > > > > Regards > > > >

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> David spoke: > It's such a large track that it's hard to tell where I was losing the 1.8 > seconds. It's a pain to practice because it's so large as well. Make a > mistake, and you have to wait three minutes to try again. :-) > > David G Fisher > ----------------------------- > I don't think you'll ever practice the Nurburgring then. Make a mistake > there and it's any where between 7 and 12 minutes to do it again, and > again,and again, etc. lol > > > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch

Probably not. I just don't have the time or the patience to put in a lot of time practicing a track like that. Get bored quickly. I honestly don't know how people can run some of these tracks as much as they do. I feel like I've eaten too much candy when I spend too much time practicing. :-) David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" wrote: > Probably not. I just don't have the time or the patience to put in a lotof > time practicing a track like that. Get bored quickly. I honestly don'tknow > how people can run some of these tracks as much as they do. I feel likeI've > eaten too much candy when I spend too much time practicing. :-) Anything over 2 mins and I lose patience too. Perhaps I should have a goldfish bowl for a helmet, but I seem to have forgotten the bend I just braked too early or late at by the time it comes around again! Cheers Tony

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> > Anything over 2 mins and I lose patience too. Perhaps I should have a > goldfish bowl for a helmet, but I seem to have forgotten the bend I just > braked too early or late at by the time it comes around again! > > Cheers > Tony

Limerock...sub 50 second laps in TPTCC/nr2k3 spec. I wonder what the ETCC cars would do there? dave henrie

Hmm, somehow the backflip sounds a bit counter-productive... "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:btusk2$236$[email hidden]... > > > Yes Hal. I was messing about yesterday and by setting the rear shocks likeI > said I got 118 and a back-flip. Give it a go ;) >

John DiFool wrote: > Okay, I exaggerated a bit, he only did 217 that I could see- > still an amazing lap. And I leave the setup knowhow to Achim, as I > am not a wrenchhead by any stretch of the imagination... Well of course it is an amazing lap as JohnP is an amazing driver :) Achim

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:50:52 GMT, John DiFool <[email hidden]> wrote: > Okay, I exaggerated a bit, he only did 217 that I could see- >still an amazing lap. And I leave the setup knowhow to Achim, as I >am not a wrenchhead by any stretch of the imagination... TA seems to be a good place to learn how to make setups from scratch, as there is so little difference between a good and bad setup at most tracks when it comes to actual laptimes (tire temps are another matter). Moreso than any sim I can think of, working on a setup in TA is more an exercise in building confidence in the car and creating a platform for turning consistent laps than it is a method for pulling out every last tenth from a circuit. It's even better if you knock the grip at some of the addon tracks down to papy level, since lower grip seems to exaggerate the subtle handling characteristics of a setup. I've always been off and on when it comes to making my own setups, but right now I'm following the old Steve Smith-ism (from 4 wheel drift or the cart guide - I forget which) where he said that fiddling with the setup gives you something interesting to do while putting in the hundreds of laps you need to really know a track well. Additionally, and I really don't mean this to be vicious, I have no idea how you guys can run Achim's setups. I had a brief fling with setups that had soft front bars with stiff shocks and I came about as close to motion sickness as you can get in front of a PC. I have to admit that I'm currently a sucker for soft springs/shocks and stiff bars as it seems to provide the best combination of lateral agility, grip, top speed, and overall responsiveness (both in terms of how readily the car reacts to driver input, and how the car's attitude is relayed back through the sim).. It helps that TA cars seem to be largely immune to the unpredictable handling that comes into play when Cup cars bottom out. You can almost get away with 150/450 springs even at Mosport since slamming the car against the hill at Moss doesn't cause much in the way of instability. Jason

jason moyer wrote: > ...I have no idea how you guys can > run Achim's setups. <g> I guess most people tweak them a bit. Some drivers I know increase the front a-r bar stiffness a bit. Achim

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:10:33 +0100, Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote: ><g> > >I guess most people tweak them a bit. Some drivers >I know increase the front a-r bar stiffness a bit. Makes sense. I could see someone who is an aggressive LFB'er would probably like them too, just for my style they're horrible. =) I suppose that's why there's a garage, eh? Jason

jason moyer wrote: > Makes sense. I could see someone who is an aggressive LFB'er would > probably like them too, just for my style they're horrible. =) I > suppose that's why there's a garage, eh? Yep :) My Cup car road setups were tweaked for driveability. Even the first set of TA setups were tweaked more towards driveability. But I got several requests from people who said they wanted to give the original setups a try, so I started uploading these. The echo was mixed - some said they like them better, others said they can't drive them anymore. One guy even said they make him seasick <g> The main difference is that most of the new batch are a bit on the loose side, except on tracks where many directional changes in quick succession are required. The a-r bars as I set them are a compromise. I'm just thinking that stiffer bars basically increase tirewear and reduce grip. So I use as little bar as I can without losing laptime. You might want to try a 1000/1000 combination and see if that makes them driveable for you. Another thing where I usually sacrifice for grip is the rebound. I want the wheels to return to the ground as quickly as possible. That OTOH makes the car sway and wobble more. So increasing the rebound a click may also make the car feel more stable (while in reality of course it isn't). Achim