so it's GPL now. well, well

Reading this newsgroup, it would seem that GPL is now THE game in the racing.sim business. But fantastic, I remember having a demo on one of my magazin CD ROMS. I noticed the following: -telling me I should have directx 5 while I have 6 -installing in a directory name in which sierra is obligated -not being able to change the default steering keys (why do all game man.f. think you want to break your fingers on the numpad anyway) -causing several lockups while selecting options (total lockups in windows 98, yes way to go!) -driving (at last) still feels like floating around in a weightless soapbox just like every other racing game that has come out since GP2 -the sound is like an ancient pc-speaker game Now please don't go telling me that i should have read some reame or faq somewhere, or that my directx is too new , or something is wrong with my hardware (PII 266 + voodoo2 monster3d + soundblaster AWE). As far as games are concerned i am a user and not a technician. GP2 can beat this by just pasting a 3 sticker on the old boxes.

Instead of basing your claptrap on a demo (and most likely a VERY old one), go out, buy the sim, and actually try to drive it. Only then will you have the right to bash the sim. I personally hate open-wheel racing, but GPL is far and away better than N2/99. -- ========================================================= John Simmons - Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html John Simmons - Barbarian Diecast Collector http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html IGPS Director http://members.home.net/jms1/igps.html If you want to send me email, go to either of the URL's shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

IMHO, the most accurate and significant statement you make in your post. Suggestions: 1. Develop an understanding of what it's like to drive a 400+ HP race car, without aero aids, with hard bias-ply tires. 2. Don't expect to enjoy the latest generation game(s), to the fullest extent possible, with hardware that is, sadly, outdated. 3. Get a wheel. FYI, scores of people frequenting this group have DirectX 6 installed and are enjoying magnificient GPL sound. Probably, even more have enjoyed GP2 for years and are now riveted by "THE game in the racing.sim business."

Oh , well you have jsut proven that you know very little about racing sims and especially GPL. BTW. never judge a game on it's demo. All the annoying installation bugs have been corrected in the final version.

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>Reading this newsgroup, it would seem that GPL is now THE game in the >racing.sim business. >But fantastic, I remember having a demo on one of my magazin CD ROMS. >I noticed the following: >-telling me I should have directx 5 while I have 6 >-installing in a directory name in which sierra is obligated >-not being able to change the default steering keys > (why do all game man.f. think you want to break your fingers on the >numpad anyway) >-causing several lockups while selecting options > (total lockups in windows 98, yes way to go!) >-driving (at last) still feels like floating around in a weightless >soapbox just like every other racing game that has come out since GP2 >-the sound is like an ancient pc-speaker game >Now please don't go telling me that i should have read some reame or >faq somewhere, or that my directx is too new , or something is wrong >with my hardware (PII 266 + voodoo2 monster3d + soundblaster AWE). >As far as games are concerned i am a user and not a technician. >GP2 can beat this by just pasting a 3 sticker on the old boxes.

Hans Heintz wrote KEYS lol Because you don't see drivers race with a keyboard in real life. *plonk* I have nothing more to say. No time to waste on people like you. -= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -= May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

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> Reading this newsgroup, it would seem that GPL is now THE game in the > racing.sim business. > Now please don't go telling me that i should have read some reame or > faq somewhere, or that my directx is too new , or something is wrong > with my hardware (PII 266 + voodoo2 monster3d + soundblaster AWE). > As far as games are concerned i am a user and not a technician. > GP2 can beat this by just pasting a 3 sticker on the old boxes.

Wouldn't think of it. Hans, your absolutely right. These other guys are probably just brain washed by Papyrus/Sierra propaganda. Stick with GP2. GP3 will be out prety soon.

>Reading this newsgroup, it would seem that GPL is now THE game <snip beginning of massive flame war attack on the golden child of R.A.S.> Put on your flame suit Hans.......<G> -/- WW

Well, who in this world did drive one, as a matter of fact?? I doubt that anyone on this NG...

One can "gain an understanding" of splitting atoms, for example, without having actually split one. So what's your point? Incidentally, I believe that a few of the readers of this newsgroup are currently driving in competition in REAL racing automobiles, and many of us are former competitive drivers, so we do know what it feels like to have a car "floating around," as Mr. Heintz put it, and know that GPL does an amazingly good job of reproducing that sensation.

> Reading this newsgroup, it would seem that GPL is now THE game in the > racing.sim business. Absolutely. The release version runs fine with DirectX 6, although if you have a Voodoo based accelerator, you will want the 2.53 version of glide2x.dll. Still does this, but I can live with it. I have no idea. This is a realistic sim that requires far more subtle input than the keyboard can allow. Get a wheel or at least a joystick. All the Windows 98 problems with the demo are fixed in the release version. In my opinion (which is shared by many others apparently) GPL has by far the best feel of any racing sim on the market. Papyrus did an unprecedented job in modeling the physics of a race car. The sound in the demo, if I remember correctly, was temporarily borrowed from NASCAR. The sound in the release is awesome. The different engines have very distinct sounds. GPL is worth the price just to hear the incredible, *** curling howls of the Ferrari V12. Okay, I won't. Pretty strong opinion for someone playing the demo with keys. I am a HUGE fan of GP2 and played this fanatically for two years, but GPL is the same quantum leap above GP2 as GP2 was to the competition when it came out in 1996. Actually, even more so. Another great thing about GPL are the tracks that it comes with - the old Nurburgring, the original Spa, Monza before it was emasculated with chicanes, Mosport, Zandvoort, Kyalami, Rouen, etc. My advice - get a wheel or joystick and get GPL. Dave Ewing

> The sound in the demo, if I remember correctly, was temporarily borrowed > from NASCAR. The sound in the release is awesome. The different > engines have very distinct sounds. GPL is worth the price just to hear > the incredible, *** curling howls of the Ferrari V12. ^^^^^^^ Oops. I meant to type curdling. Dave Ewing

So stay with GP2 and quit trolling for flames, your loss. Seeyas on the track. --John (Joao) Silva

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>Reading this newsgroup, it would seem that GPL is now THE game in the >racing.sim business. >But fantastic, I remember having a demo on one of my magazin CD ROMS. >I noticed the following: >-telling me I should have directx 5 while I have 6 >-installing in a directory name in which sierra is obligated >-not being able to change the default steering keys > (why do all game man.f. think you want to break your fingers on the >numpad anyway) >-causing several lockups while selecting options > (total lockups in windows 98, yes way to go!) >-driving (at last) still feels like floating around in a weightless >soapbox just like every other racing game that has come out since GP2 >-the sound is like an ancient pc-speaker game >Now please don't go telling me that i should have read some reame or >faq somewhere, or that my directx is too new , or something is wrong >with my hardware (PII 266 + voodoo2 monster3d + soundblaster AWE). >As far as games are concerned i am a user and not a technician. >GP2 can beat this by just pasting a 3 sticker on the old boxes.

> Reading this newsgroup, it would seem that GPL is now THE game in > the > racing.sim business. Correct, no argument from me...... So, lets get this straight, you are basing this *opinion* on one of the GPL demo's...........hmmmm. Perhaps you should actually try the *full* product before posting such a strong message? (just a suggestion). I played both the demo's (Watkins Glen & Monza) and both had flaws, (and even the demo's wiped the floor with *most* of the then opposition, IMHO) as did the Warez version many people used. But none of these were the finished article, doesn't that tell you something? I now have the full product, and most, if not all the points you mention are no longer valid complaints in the final release, except not being able to change the default steering keys. But why would you want to drive a sim using keys anyway? To get the feel of any decent driving game or sim, you really do need a wheel and pedal set-up, or at the very least a decent joystick? Unfortunately, and I'm sure you will *not* want to hear this, but a 266 really isn't at the cutting edge of technology anymore. And GPL really needs a 300+ cpu to get the full benefit of this excellent program (preferably a 450!) I am also a die hard GP2 fan, and have driven GP2 since the day it was released in the UK. However, I know when to move on to something better. GP2 was (and still is) a fantastic program, (and I still drive it now and again) but alas, its time has now passed. It has no 3D graphics, its sound is not up to todays heady levels, and even its awesome physics modelling has now been surpassed. Sorry, but these are simple facts, accept them and move on..... Your not gonna convince anyone of anything different by posting this drivel. If you are gonna compare products, at least try and make it constructive. 8-) *Peter* #:-)

Do you really believe that? I mean, I'm not ashamed to admit that I am a -huge- fan of GP2 (walks all over F1RS IMHO) but the fact is that GPL is much the better sim. It's just on another level. GP2 is fantastic but it's been superseded now. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

I dunno Francois, if you look at Paul Tracy... <G> mknight98.vcf < 1K Download

Call me a totally picky sod but I _really_ hate that too. What possible reason can Sierra imagine why I would want to make a directory on my hard disk especially to store their products in? I even hate it when products default to that, but when they *force* it I get seriously pissed off. Keys? Really? Gulp.... Nope, this is a feature that Windows 98 provides by itself. Just to check though, you did download the Win98 version of the demo? Er, what? You should try playing it through a soundcar, those PC speakers really are a bit passe now. Ohhhhh, it's a troll. Wakarimashita! Cheers! John

Reading comprehension time - nowhere did he mention "a 1967 F1 car", simply a car with no aero aids and 400+hp. Quite a lot of people on this newsgroup will have experience of such a steed. Cheers! John

He cannot possibly fit a keyboard between his gut and the***pit... Come on, that's hard to believe... A. Renault

<<<>1. Develop an understanding of what it's like to drive a 400+ HP race car, Well, who in this world did drive one, as a matter of fact?? I doubt that anyone on this NG...>>> By todays standards 400hp doesnt seem like much, but anyone who has driven even a street car with 400+hp knows that they are QUITE squirley. I had a 73 Chevy Nova that I drag raced, as well as drove on the street, at the time I was running bias ply tires, and had a gear that was fairly efficent at snapping your neck from a standing start., and I'm here to tell tou that if you came off a corner and stuck your foot in the throttle, you were without a doubt going to lose it. So I guess I would have to say that the physice model in GPL is not exaggerated, if anything its probably a bit mild. T_K

Hi Hans ! HH> Reading this newsgroup, it would seem that GPL is now THE game in the HH> racing.sim business. 1000% agree ;-) HH> -telling me I should have directx 5 while I have 6 There's no problem with DX6, at least in the final release. HH> -installing in a directory name in which sierra is obligated So what ? HH> -not being able to change the default steering keys HH> (why do all game man.f. think you want to break your fingers on the HH> numpad anyway) Wake up ! GPL ist the most realistic sim by now !!! You won't drive your car with keys, eh ?? So get up, get a Thrustmaster F1 (or equivalent) and learn to drive a 400hp racing car without wings and all that stuff... HH> -causing several lockups while selecting options HH> (total lockups in windows 98, yes way to go!) Problem with win98 (BTW: IMHO Win98 is a great bug itself) are solved in the final release. HH> -driving (at last) still feels like floating around in a weightless HH> soapbox just like every other racing game that has come out since GP2 As I mentioned above, GPL is very realistic. IMHO the first REALISTIC one. Try to learn to steer by using the pedals (yes, I said pedals, not keys !), it's incredible how great Papy modelled the physics of those "ancient" cars... HH> -the sound is like an ancient pc-speaker game Get the release and enjoy the roaring sound of the Ferrari !! As I first heard THIS sound I shivered...;-O HH> GP2 can beat this by just pasting a 3 sticker on the old boxes. ROTFL =8--))) Also, man mailt sich... .\\atze *home* : http://www.buesing.de

> By todays standards 400hp doesnt seem like much, but anyone who has driven > even a street car with 400+hp knows that they are QUITE squirley. But consider the difference in weight between a 400 BHP F1 GP car and a 400 BHP road car. Even a stripped for action, weekend racer is probably going to weigh at least 2-3 times what say a Lotus 47 did[1] so you'll need to raise the horsepower count quite a bit to get anywhere near the same power to weight figure. [1] Any Westfield SEight owners subscribed to the group are entitled to a smug grin at this point... -- Jonathon "JayGee" Green "Death to all fanatics!"

Give him enough rope............make sure u tie it really tight on the lampshade Han's :o)

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>Hi Hans ! >HH> Reading this newsgroup, it would seem that GPL is now THE game in the >HH> racing.sim business. >1000% agree ;-) >HH> -telling me I should have directx 5 while I have 6 >There's no problem with DX6, at least in the final release. >HH> -installing in a directory name in which sierra is obligated >So what ? >HH> -not being able to change the default steering keys >HH> (why do all game man.f. think you want to break your fingers on the >HH> numpad anyway) >Wake up ! GPL ist the most realistic sim by now !!! You won't drive >your car with keys, eh ?? So get up, get a Thrustmaster F1 (or >equivalent) and learn to drive a 400hp racing car without wings and >all that stuff... >HH> -causing several lockups while selecting options >HH> (total lockups in windows 98, yes way to go!) >Problem with win98 (BTW: IMHO Win98 is a great bug itself) are solved >in the final release. >HH> -driving (at last) still feels like floating around in a weightless >HH> soapbox just like every other racing game that has come out since GP2 >As I mentioned above, GPL is very realistic. IMHO the first REALISTIC one. >Try to learn to steer by using the pedals (yes, I said pedals, not keys !), >it's incredible how great Papy modelled the physics of those "ancient" >cars... >HH> -the sound is like an ancient pc-speaker game >Get the release and enjoy the roaring sound of the Ferrari !! As I first >heard THIS sound I shivered...;-O >HH> GP2 can beat this by just pasting a 3 sticker on the old boxes. >ROTFL =8--))) >Also, man mailt sich... >.\\atze >*home* : http://www.buesing.de

>Reading this newsgroup, it would seem that GPL is now THE game in the >racing.sim business. >But fantastic, I remember having a demo on one of my magazin CD ROMS. >I noticed the following: >-telling me I should have directx 5 while I have 6 DirectX 6 sucks so far... Why not, free advertising... keeps software prices down! Hahahahaha - no stick or wheel - why bother? It's to the right of other keys, allowing you to use both hands??? Using the latest voodoo drivers i see... That's your opinion, I think the physics are great. Not like any other 'sim' EVER! I like the sound. Agreed, it could be better. You played the demo, likely the earlier demo, you have no joystick or wheel - please think before you post and if you're not into car racing, which you obviously aren't, why post your review of a racing game?

> DirectX 6 sucks so far.. Gee, Iv'e been using dx6 since the first release, looks better, runs great! JM

Ok Norton, I have run the demo and yeah, it limits things...it's a DEMO, it merely shows some of the features. To use the rest....get the game...btw, I beleive the updated demo includes the ability to adjust some garage settings and you can run laps at Monza instead of Watkins glen,(that may be separate dload tho) almost every program I have defaults to installing in a sub folder below a company folder, Janes, Interplay, Eidos etc. Many programs written in the last year don't recognize DX6 since they were written with DX5(ie the DEMO) I just skip that part cuz I too have DX6 running and with no problems either. Don't know what weed yer smokin but I ran the demo from the very first with a wheel. Also remember the demo was written well before Win98 was released. Once again, dload the updated demo and your win98 problems should be fixed. Hey as long as microsoft is making windows so complicated, you'd be better off becoming an informed user, note, not a tecky.Sorry you don't like to read readme's, can't think of a single game I have 30+ that doesn't have some sort of readme in it. If you have trouble configuring your wheel or stick, then try this...choose new keys for steering , braking etc that are not used by the game , once you've re-assigned all the functions, go back and choose the wheel options. While not the simplest method, many many sims have had this style of controller setup. F1RS, SODA are a couple that come to mind. take another look at it and see if you still feel the same about it.... dave henrie

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>>Reading this newsgroup, it would seem that GPL is now THE game in the >>racing.sim business. >>But fantastic, I remember having a demo on one of my magazin CD ROMS. >>I noticed the following: >>-telling me I should have directx 5 while I have 6 >DirectX 6 sucks so far... >>-installing in a directory name in which sierra is obligated >Why not, free advertising... keeps software prices down! >>-not being able to change the default steering keys >Hahahahaha - no stick or wheel - why bother? >> (why do all game man.f. think you want to break your fingers on the >>numpad anyway) >It's to the right of other keys, allowing you to use both >hands??? >>-causing several lockups while selecting options >Using the latest voodoo drivers i see... >> (total lockups in windows 98, yes way to go!) >>-driving (at last) still feels like floating around in a weightless >>soapbox just like every other racing game that has come out since GP2 >That's your opinion, I think the physics are great. Not like >any other 'sim' EVER! >>-the sound is like an ancient pc-speaker game >I like the sound. Agreed, it could be better. >>Now please don't go telling me that i should have read some reame or >>faq somewhere, or that my directx is too new , or something is wrong >>with my hardware (PII 266 + voodoo2 monster3d + soundblaster AWE). >>As far as games are concerned i am a user and not a technician. >>GP2 can beat this by just pasting a 3 sticker on the old boxes. >You played the demo, likely the earlier demo, you have no >joystick or wheel - please think before you post and if >you're not into car racing, which you obviously aren't, why >post your review of a racing game?

>> DirectX 6 sucks so far.. >Gee, Iv'e been using dx6 since the first release, looks better, runs >great! >JM The problem with DX6 is we don't have a decent voodoo 2 driver for it yet. The latest one crashes GPL, and it's necessary to use the older DX5 driver. I, like most others tried the new driver, and yes, it looks fantastic. Unfortunately, since it causes Gpl to crash i hadda un install it. I'm assuming you're not a GPL fan if you're using the new voodoo 2 drivers, or perhaps you have a Rendition card.

Yes, definitely a rendition user, smokes for gpl and other papy sims, pretty good for the few other games I play. It seems that any card requiring glide is having fits with gpl. JM

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> >> DirectX 6 sucks so far.. > >Gee, Iv'e been using dx6 since the first release, looks better, runs > >great! > >JM > The problem with DX6 is we don't have a decent voodoo 2 > driver for it yet. The latest one crashes GPL, and it's > necessary to use the older DX5 driver. > I, like most others tried the new driver, and yes, it looks > fantastic. Unfortunately, since it causes Gpl to crash i > hadda un install it. > I'm assuming you're not a GPL fan if you're using the new > voodoo 2 drivers, or perhaps you have a Rendition card.

Use the latest DirectX6 package. Use the latest Voodoo2 drivers. However, keep that old Glide 2.53 ovl file and put it in the GPL root directory (X:\sierra\gpl) and your problems are solved. The problem in GPL has nothing to do with DirectX6, but rather a problem with the Glide 2.54 driver supplied with the latest Voodoo2 drivers. I have a Diamond Monster2 12 meg with the latest drivers installed. DirectX6.1 runtime installed (although I was running DirectX6SDK's runtime for awhile) and have no problems with GPL at all since I made sure the Glide 2.53 .ovl file was in the GPL directory.

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>>> DirectX 6 sucks so far.. >>Gee, Iv'e been using dx6 since the first release, looks better, runs >>great! >>JM >The problem with DX6 is we don't have a decent voodoo 2 >driver for it yet. The latest one crashes GPL, and it's >necessary to use the older DX5 driver. >I, like most others tried the new driver, and yes, it looks >fantastic. Unfortunately, since it causes Gpl to crash i >hadda un install it. >I'm assuming you're not a GPL fan if you're using the new >voodoo 2 drivers, or perhaps you have a Rendition card.

I'm using DX6 with the 2.54 Glide drivers with my 2 SLI'ed Canopus Pure 3D II Voodoo2 cards, and have not had any lock up problems...

>>Use the latest DirectX6 package. Use the latest Voodoo2 drivers. >>However, keep that old Glide 2.53 ovl file and put it in the GPL >>root directory >I'm using DX6 with the 2.54 Glide drivers with my 2 SLI'ed Canopus >Pure 3D II Voodoo2 cards, and have not had any lock up problems... I get goosebumps whan a woman starts talkin' all technical and stuff... :-) -- ========================================================= John Simmons - Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html John Simmons - Barbarian Diecast Collector http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html IGPS Director http://www.paddedwall.org/igps/igps.html If you want to send me email, go to either of the URL's shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

> Use the latest DirectX6 package. Use the latest Voodoo2 drivers. However, > keep that old Glide 2.53 ovl file and put it in the GPL root directory > (X:\sierra\gpl) and your problems are solved. Don't you mean the 2.53 version of the glide2x.dll. I have never heard of anybody having to move the .ovl file to the GPL directory. ??? Dave Ewing

Keep your pants on!

I keep seeing this claim and I just have to say that I am running my Monster Voodoo II with Diamonds ver. 2.07 drivers and DX6 without any problems. On some systems it works!

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>The problem with DX6 is we don't have a decent voodoo 2 >driver for it yet. The latest one crashes GPL, and it's >necessary to use the older DX5 driver. >I, like most others tried the new driver, and yes, it looks >fantastic. Unfortunately, since it causes Gpl to crash i >hadda un install it. >I'm assuming you're not a GPL fan if you're using the new >voodoo 2 drivers, or perhaps you have a Rendition card.

Remove the "u"s from my address to reply via email.

WTF, did I miss something somewhere?

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>>I get goosebumps whan a woman starts talkin' all technical and stuff... >>:-) >Keep your pants on! >>========================================================= >>John Simmons - Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) >>http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html >>John Simmons - Barbarian Diecast Collector >>http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html >>IGPS Director >>http://www.paddedwall.org/igps/igps.html >>If you want to send me email, go to either of the URL's >>shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. >>=========================================================

Just stay away from 6.1. -Larry > Gee, Iv'e been using dx6 since the first release, looks better, runs > great! > JM

Why? Jerry Morelock

DirectX 6 was the biggest improvement in frame rate performance I have seen to date. Viper Racing, in my case, jumped from some 43-44 fps to 53-54 fps. I installed 6.1 via Windows 98 'Windows Update' system when it hit their servers. In the process, I _lost_ 2-3 fps. So far, I think the straight DirectX version 6.0 is the best performing version., Now, if only someone would figure out a way to remove the .1 part :) -Larry > Why? > Jerry Morelock > >Just stay away from 6.1.