Which is better, F1RS or GP2?

As I am probably going to get a brand new computer sometime in the near future that can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering which simulation is better.

Some guy said: For Graphics F1RS For realism and gameplay GP2 When they combine the two we will all be happy but until then ............. .......let the arcade players use F1RS and the sim fans use GP2 Just my thoughts SteveG

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> As I am probably going to get a brand new computer sometime in the near > future that > can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering which simulation is better. Get both and make your own decision. Currently, F1RS is best on a 3dfx card but maybe F1RS2 will have a more optimal directx6 version. Keith.

F1RS is way better once you get the game set up. I had problems getting my wheel\pedal combo working. But once everything was working properly, f1RS has better graphics and car control etc. I imagine it depends on your computer also. I have a PII 300 with 64 SDRAM and a Viper V330 video card.

Hi IMO i would choose F1RS. Tech escreveu:

F1RS is far superior to GP2 in every respect. In fact it makes GP2 look like it was designed for the Atari.

Some other guy said: Thanks for your well balanced and thought provoking arguement. Maybe you would like to give us all some clue as to why you feel like this??? SteveG

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> Some other guy said: > >>For Graphics F1RS > >Correct. > >>For realism and gameplay GP2 > >Bull. > >>When they combine the two we will all be happy but until then ............. > >>.......let the arcade players use F1RS and the sim fans use GP2 > >This is absolute bullshit. > Thanks for your well balanced and thought provoking arguement. > Maybe you would like to give us all some clue as to why you feel like this???

Well, if you call F1RS arcade, the only valid response is "Bullshit!" Is that clear now? l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

With GP2 now in the bargain bin, i'd suggest getting both. F1RS looks and runs great, but i've actually gone back to playing GP2 because i personally prefer it's driving model. Cheers Phil >As I am probably going to get a brand new computer sometime in the near >future that >can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering which simulation is better.

>F1RS is far superior to GP2 in every respect. >In fact it makes GP2 look like it was designed for the Atari. EVERY respect? Sorry, I disagree. The look of the cars are better in GP2. The pitstop is better in GP2. The AI is better in GP2. The mirrors are better in GP2. The AutoLoadLastSetup is better in GP2. The sound is better in GP2. In Holland GP2 was in the top 10 until last December, that more than 1 year! F1RS only was 2 months in the top 10. F1RS is a great game, no doubt about that. But there are some things that could be improved. Remco

> As I am probably going to get a brand new computer sometime in the near > future that > can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering which simulation is better. Great question to start a decent sim war <g> Personally I haven't played F1RS much. I love the sound effects in GP2, beats F1RS hands down IMHO. You will need a mighty CPU to handle GP2 with all details on as it doesn't make use of a 3D card. -- Andrew Fielden. UK.

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>> As I am probably going to get a brand new computer sometime in the near >> future that >> can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering which simulation is better. >Great question to start a decent sim war <g> >Personally I haven't played F1RS much. I love >the sound effects in GP2, beats F1RS hands down >IMHO. You will need a mighty CPU to handle GP2 >with all details on as it doesn't make use of a >3D card. >-- >Andrew Fielden. >UK.

> As I am probably going to get a brand new computer sometime in the near > future that > can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering which simulation is better. I'm just copying this from one of my prior posts: --- Some people like F1RS, some don't. For me, F1RS is the first racing sim I can drive like a car. I love that delicious feeling of*** the car on the edge of adhesion. I think that in GP2, the cars are either on rails, or backward on the track. Some feel that this is the way it would be. Drivers are quoted as saying that the transition between traction and loss of control is very fast. GP2 models a faster transition than F1RS, but there are many things that go into a physics model, and I'm not sure, on balance, that GP2 has them better than F1RS. I haven't heard Michael Schumacher post his opinion. So I'm enjoying F1RS, which feels VERY right, based on my experience with sports and sporty cars I drive on roads, I loved GP2, which is as much like my car as a Starwars Tie Fighter. It has been retired. --- Good luck. Larry

> >F1RS is far superior to GP2 in every respect. > >In fact it makes GP2 look like it was designed for the Atari. > EVERY respect? Sorry, I disagree. > The look of the cars are better in GP2. Too fat, too short... Agreed They drive perfectly, don't they? Unrealisticly BIG? Agreed Equally unsatisfying Which sim is perfect? l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> Some other guy said: > >>For Graphics F1RS > >Correct. > >>For realism and gameplay GP2 > >Bull. > >>When they combine the two we will all be happy but until then ............. > >>.......let the arcade players use F1RS and the sim fans use GP2 > >This is absolute bullshit. > Thanks for your well balanced and thought provoking arguement. > Maybe you would like to give us all some clue as to why you feel like this???

Maybe *you* would like to read one of the thousands of posts made to this NG about F1RS? Maybe that will make it perfectly clear why what you said is absolute bullshit? Do you even own the game? I bet you based your opinion on the demo, which doesn't let you select the realistic driving options. -- The Scripps Research Institute http://www.scripps.edu/~jsmith

On 04 Aug 1998 22:24:38 EDT, "Greg Cisko" >>For Graphics F1RS >Correct. >>For realism and gameplay GP2 >Bull. >This is absolute bullshit. Nice to see you have maintained your rational approach to this debate Greg... ;-) Cheers! John

>You think a PII 266 will cut it? Will run GP2 like a dream, if you don't turn all of the textures on. But who needs clouds in the sky anyway? Both games have their pros and cons. So buy both and try them. But remember you need a 3Dfx card for F1RS. (And for a lot of other games, such as the imminent Grand Prix Legends, which is vastly superior to both...) Good luck, Leo

> You think a PII 266 will cut it? Hi Tech (did you catch the pun?)... I will assume you're asking that question about GP2, right? If so, then I can give you an answer of sorts. (If you were asking about F1RS, sorry, I don't have it.) ANYWAY... I have a P233 MMX with a poor vid card (S3 Virge w/4meg) and I can run GP2 smoothly with almost all the eye-candy "on"... yet still have the processor occupancy level below 100%. However at Monaco, I have to trim the graphics level back more. Those tall city buildings take tons of processor capacity, I guess. In all, I'm pleased with the eye-candy and game play I get with GP2 on my system. One of these days, I'll get a good 3D card, and perhaps try F1RS... but until then GP2 it is. I think somebody mentioned that GP2 has hit the bargain bins at some stores (read: "cheap")... so why not just get both GP2 and F1RS and decide for yourself? BTW, I do think you have to install a patch (or patches?) to get F1RS up to speed, so remember that as well. Have fun... Andre Ming

Oh my God.... It's HERE again!!! :-) (you started something that no-one can control: an F1RS vs. GP2 thread!!) JoH Please remove *anti-spam* from the email when replying. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>In Holland GP2 was in the top 10 until last December, that more than 1 >year! F1RS only was 2 months in the top 10. Psygnosis F1 and F1:CE on Playstation/PC have sold and keep selling much better than either GP2 or F1RS, but I don't think that is the way to measure how good sim it is.

>As I am probably going to get a brand new computer sometime in the near >future that >can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering which simulation is better. If I were you, for better graphics, realism and gameplay I would choose F1RS. If you want just pure simple arcade action where you need no brains, get GP2. It is more like Atari's Pole Position really. Very unrealistic game, but then some people like GP2 for that.

I agree. But AKhan42046 said: "In EVERY respect". And that's where I disagree. >>In Holland GP2 was in the top 10 until last December, that more than 1 >>year! F1RS only was 2 months in the top 10. >Psygnosis F1 and F1:CE on Playstation/PC have sold and keep selling >much better than either GP2 or F1RS, but I don't think that is the way >to measure how good sim it is.

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>On 04 Aug 1998 22:24:38 EDT, "Greg Cisko" >>>For Graphics F1RS >>Correct. >>>For realism and gameplay GP2 >>Bull. >>This is absolute bullshit. >Nice to see you have maintained your rational approach to this debate >Greg... ;-)

No problem. At least I am consistant :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

>>You think a PII 266 will cut it? >Will run GP2 like a dream, if you don't turn all of the textures on. But who >needs clouds in the sky anyway? You have a point there. ESPECIALLY SINCE GP2 DOESN'T MODEL WEATHER!!!! DUH! Ok I feel better now :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

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>>As I am probably going to get a brand new computer sometime in the near >>future that >>can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering which simulation is better. >If I were you, for better graphics, realism and gameplay I would >choose F1RS. >If you want just pure simple arcade action where you need no brains, >get GP2. It is more like Atari's Pole Position really. Very >unrealistic game, but then some people like GP2 for that.

Troll! Troll! ;-) Cheers! John

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> >In Holland GP2 was in the top 10 until last December, that more than > 1 > >year! F1RS only was 2 months in the top 10. > Psygnosis F1 and F1:CE on Playstation/PC have sold and keep selling > much better than either GP2 or F1RS, but I don't think that is the way > to measure how good sim it is.

Are they sims? 8-) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

> If you want just pure simple arcade action where you need no brains, > get GP2. It is more like Atari's Pole Position really. Very > unrealistic game, but then some people like GP2 for that. You obviously know *nothing* about simulations at all to make a statement like this? 8-) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

>If I were you, for better graphics, realism and gameplay I would >choose F1RS. >If you want just pure simple arcade action where you need no brains, >get GP2. It is more like Atari's Pole Position really. Very >unrealistic game, but then some people like GP2 for that. Are you completely crazy ? Probably did tou want to wrtite exactly the opposite ? If you want a nice game with a nice graphic play F1RS but if you want a rela simulation, no choice, F1GP2 Claudio

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>> If you want just pure simple arcade action where you need no brains, >> get GP2. It is more like Atari's Pole Position really. Very >> unrealistic game, but then some people like GP2 for that. >You obviously know *nothing* about simulations at all to make a >statement like this? >8-) >*Peter* 8-) >(NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

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> >As I am probably going to get a brand new computer sometime in the near > >future that > >can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering which simulation is better. > If I were you, for better graphics, realism and gameplay I would > choose F1RS. > If you want just pure simple arcade action where you need no brains, > get GP2. It is more like Atari's Pole Position really. Very > unrealistic game, but then some people like GP2 for that.

That's funny! No, that's silly dedication to a software product... l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

T> As I am probably going to get a brand new computer sometime in the near T> future that T> can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering which simulation is better. Without a doubt: F1RS kicks ass - forget about those oldiesims without weather and 3dfx-support... Also, man mailt sich... .\\atze [ FmMW2109 - FmMB2139 ] *home* : http://www.home4u.de/buesing/

Salve SGreen46 !!! S>>can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering >which simulation is S>>better. S> S> For Graphics F1RS 1000% agree, but... S> S> For realism and gameplay GP2 ROTFL ! Just name 3 facts where GP2 is better. Eargerly waiting ;-) S> .......let the arcade players use F1RS and the sim fans use GP2 Sorry, but ROTFL again ! Maybe you should play F1RS in simulation- mode, eh ? There is NO better F1-simulation, IMHO. Also, man mailt sich... .\\atze [ FmMW2109 - FmMB2139 ] *home* : http://www.home4u.de/buesing/

>>If you want just pure simple arcade action where you need no brains, >>get GP2. It is more like Atari's Pole Position really. Very >>unrealistic game, but then some people like GP2 for that. >Troll! Troll! ;-) Oh I don't know, I sort of agreed with him :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

>Troll! Troll! ;-) That is not any more a troll than the message saying F1RS is an arcade game.

>You obviously know *nothing* about simulations at all to make a >statement like this? About as much as the guy calling F1RS an arcade racing game. Hey, weren't you people just bashing those guys who were complaining about that message? So how come you now think I can't have my opinion then? I guess you think people have right to have an opinion only if it matches your opinion. Too bad for you.

>>Troll! Troll! ;-) >That is not any more a troll than the message saying F1RS is an arcade >game. Er yes that would be true, but no-one said that. They did say that GP2 was an arcade game, and either of those statements would adequately qualify as a bona-fide troll, hence my comment. Cheers! John

On 07 Aug 1998 06:09:03 PDT, "Greg Cisko" >Oh I don't know, I sort of agreed with him :-) Troll, troll! Cheers! John

to me F1rs always feels like I'm floating along above the track (a 3dfx symptom perhaps?) whereas GP2 feels more like I expect. But it is very subjective: get them both and decide for yourself.

> >If I were you, for better graphics, realism and gameplay I would > >choose F1RS. > >If you want just pure simple arcade action where you need no brains, > >get GP2. It is more like Atari's Pole Position really. Very > >unrealistic game, but then some people like GP2 for that. i own GP2 and like it just fine despite being a NASCAR2 kinda guy. all of the F1RS ***s in here make me not even want to try it. shoot, i'll wait until papy comes out with GPL instead. j

> to me F1rs always feels like I'm floating along above the track (a > 3dfx symptom perhaps?) > whereas GP2 feels more like I expect. > But it is very subjective: get them both and decide for yourself. I know what you are talking about. My thinking is that at 40 MPH I get that drifting going around a curve in my car. It is the tires squirming and slipping on the road. I believe extrapolating this to 120 MPH, or 150 MPH, would result in that "Floating" feeling you describe. A small slip angle at that speed would feel like a lot of transversal movement. People whose opinion I respect, don't think it would work like this in a Formula 1 car. All I know is that it fits with my experience and expectations, which are at 100 MPH less, with a quarter of the tire contact patch, in small cars that weigh 1000 pounds more. We drive so much we have our expectations of how a car should handle. Many people love F1RS, I think this is why. I'm NOT suggesting that F1RS is accurate. I'm skeptical of those who claim GP2 is. I think that floating feeling, and other subtle things F1RS models, are the most important aspects of what makes driving fast on real twisty roads fun. Michael Schomacher? Johnny Herbert? Please comment. Larry

for straight play and a real sense of the road... GP2 everything else....F1RS. this is the future of sim racing -- Jim Dunphy The Pits http://www.theuspits.com To err is human, to moo is bovine. >T> As I am probably going to get a brand new computer sometime in the near >T> future that >T> can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering which simulation is better. >Without a doubt: F1RS kicks ass - forget about those oldiesims without >weather and 3dfx-support... >Also, man mailt sich... >.\\atze [ FmMW2109 - FmMB2139 ] >*home* : http://www.home4u.de/buesing/

My name is Troll. I just like to say that all games are arcade. Thankyou. > >Troll! Troll! ;-) > That is not any more a troll than the message saying F1RS is an arcade > game.

>i own GP2 and like it just fine despite being a NASCAR2 kinda guy. all of >the F1RS ***s in here make me not even want to try it. Then how come you are playing GP2, since there was this one "GP2 ***" who said F1RS is just for arcade racers? It is indeed interesting to notice how many of you think it is inexcusable insult if someone calls GP2 an arcade game, but when someone calls F1RS the same, that's quite fine. Get your head out of your ass. That is not a modern F1 simulation. The racing cars of sixties were quite different. You could just as well buy Jane's F15 for a F1 simulation.

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>>>Troll! Troll! ;-) >>That is not any more a troll than the message saying F1RS is an arcade >>game. >Er yes that would be true, but no-one said that. They did say that GP2 >was an arcade game, and either of those statements would adequately >qualify as a bona-fide troll, hence my comment.

Funny you would comment on "Noppa"'s message then. Naw, I don't think that is just a coincidence.

> >You obviously know *nothing* about simulations at all to make a > >statement like this? > About as much as the guy calling F1RS an arcade racing game. Yes, correct, you *both* know nothing if you really believe those statements you both made? No, fraid not, wasn't me, definitely not. Where did I say this? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but if it's a stupid, uninformed, and widely broadcast opinion (like say, on newsnet?) then don't be surprised if you get uncomplimentary comments about it! No, definitely not, see above.... What I look for on this (and other) newsgroups, is constructive, helpful, informed and supportive comments and opinions. 8-) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

Correct, a classic *ARCADE* game, not a classic Simulator? 8-) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

F1RS plays like shit ,menu interface is much to slow ,the colours looks like a nintendo game and the cars are shitty also!! Buy GP2 ,....you really have a good time with that one,...as an appitizer for GP3!!!! -- Greetings :) ___ RuuD? []_.-' (Q_,._ (o)_[F1}____(o)Z> +--------------------------------------------------+

> F1RS plays like shit ,menu interface is much to slow ,the colours looks like > a nintendo game and the cars are shitty also!! > Buy GP2 ,....you really have a good time with that one,...as an appitizer for GP3!!!! You're funny, and you seem to be copyrighted on it, too... ;^) l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

I aint no pro driver. Heck, I aint even fast. But in my second year of karting, every single person I've raced against, that I've talked too, and a few mechanics and spectators say I have a beautiful and surprising driving style. (You'll just have to see me to know.) I like it when the kart is sliding. I like it when I hear the aluminum clank as I apply *full* lock. (You don't see many do that!) I like to drive above 9,500 rpms at all times, and I like it when I get air. I know, to the pound, how much weight is on each corner of the cart at all times. (Just call it a gift.) My kart is a true, blue *** racing vehicle. (Gold Firefox - RM125) So, there are certain characteristics that racing vehicles exhibit that I can confirm. Keeping in mind that wings are a whole different thing all together - I still think my argument is valid. Instantaneous transition from intention to reality - The racing breed of vehicle will try to snap your head off with every gesture you make. These include (but are not limited to) acceleration, braking, and turn in. Stepping on the gas is *** and frightening the first time you do it in a racing vehicle. The kart reacts immediately to throttle input and you'd better be sure you have the weight *exactly* where you want it when you do step on the throttle. The kart can react in a multitude of ways, and disaster has the greater probability if you are unaware of what you are telling the kart to do. I would assume an F1 car to be a lot the same. My road car however, is not like that. Braking will produce fewer problems but all problems can end up the same way. Braking in a kart is very precise and powerful. If I were to brake 5 inches earlier in most turns, I could almost guarantee getting rearended. My road car however, is not like that. And turn in is the most beautiful thing in a racing vehicle. There is no hesitation, just reaction. I can tell by watching the TV that an F1 car and a kart turn in very much like each other. My road car however, is not like that. So I may know a little about the way it feels and looks. F1RS does NOT simulate any of the attributes I've mentioned above. It does, however, feel quite a bit like my road car. GP2 does simulate the attributes I've mentioned above. CPR is even better. I would say that GP2 is a driving sim. Although 1 generation behind F1RS. But that does not mean F1RS is a better driving sim. It's not. It's a very simmer friendly arcade. Maybe a racing sim. But F1RS is not a driving sim. Not by any stretch of the imagination. GPL is a driving sim if you need to make a comparison. It's every bit about balance. BTW A slide at 90 mph feels exactly the same as a slide at 40 mph. There is nothing "floating" about it. It is still gritty and detailed. It just happens twice as fast. :-) -- mark - 2nd place (at the moment) F1 Racing League - Ace class - No helps "You don't actually see the side of the road, you just *know* were it is... and you calmly slide both your outside wheels right to it. Like the bad mamba jamba that you are." F1RS - http://www.nmia.com/~chaser/car/results.htm Remove us here and there to mail me. >> to me F1rs always feels like I'm floating along above the track (a >> 3dfx symptom perhaps?) >> whereas GP2 feels more like I expect. >> But it is very subjective: get them both and decide for yourself. > I know what you are talking about. My thinking is that at >40 MPH I get that drifting going around a curve in my car. It >is the tires squirming and slipping on the road. I believe >extrapolating this to 120 MPH, or 150 MPH, would result in that >"Floating" feeling you describe. A small slip angle at that >speed would feel like a lot of transversal movement. > People whose opinion I respect, don't think it would work like >this in a Formula 1 car. All I know is that it fits with my >experience and expectations, which are at 100 MPH less, with a >quarter of the tire contact patch, in small cars that weigh 1000 >pounds more. We drive so much we have our expectations of how a >car should handle. Many people love F1RS, I think this is why. > I'm NOT suggesting that F1RS is accurate. I'm skeptical of >those who claim GP2 is. I think that floating feeling, and other >subtle things F1RS models, are the most important aspects of what >makes driving fast on real twisty roads fun. > Michael Schomacher? Johnny Herbert? Please comment. > Larry

>Salve SGreen46 !!! <snip> >ROTFL ! Just name 3 facts where GP2 is better. Eargerly waiting ;-) Driving model, menu's, sound, pitstops.....Ooops, sorry that's 4. ;-) Cheers Phil

To whoever emailed me. I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just a fumble fingers and deleted the file instead of opening it. Please resend if you feel like it. :-) -- mark "You *will* hit what you look at. In that case, try looking at the apex instead of the gravel at your turn in point." F1RS - http://www.nmia.com/~chaser/car/results.htm Remove us here and there to mail me. >I aint no pro driver. Heck, I aint even fast. But in my second year of

What in the hell do any of you punks, putting these sims down, even know about driving, i think F1rs is too hard for you guys that hate it, you know if any of you had ever driven an open wheeled car , you could talk your ***about driving models, but since none of you have , then i don't think you have an inclincling of knowledge about how these autos would, or should act, and react,

another post, i think you guys that love that gp2 , must not have 3dfx,for F1rs that alone is enough to take it over the top, looks quite real, beautiful in fact and i can't believe anyone would think otherwise, drives real, i can see how if you were used to driving nascar, how different this must be, but if its too hard, get back in that ford, and drive in circles

Well who in the hell are you? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. >What in the hell do any of you punks, putting these sims down, even know >about driving, i think F1rs is too hard for you guys that hate it, >you know if any of you had ever driven an open wheeled car , you could >talk your ***about driving models, >but since none of you have , then i don't think you have an inclincling >of knowledge about how these autos would, or should act, and react,

beg to differ! -- Jim Dunphy The Pits http://www.theuspits.com To err is human, to moo is bovine.

> Well who in the hell are you? I don't know who the hell he is either, but he is probably about 99.5% right:-)

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> -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > >What in the hell do any of you punks, putting these sims down, even know > >about driving, i think F1rs is too hard for you guys that hate it, > >you know if any of you had ever driven an open wheeled car , you could > >talk your ***about driving models, > >but since none of you have , then i don't think you have an inclincling > >of knowledge about how these autos would, or should act, and react,

> What in the hell do any of you punks, putting these sims down, even know > about driving, i think F1rs is too hard for you guys that hate it, > you know if any of you had ever driven an open wheeled car , you could > talk your ***about driving models, but since none of you have , then > i don't think you have an inclincling > of knowledge about how these autos would, or should act, and react, To Which Greg Sisco asked: To which Somebody else said: And I add: I don't know who he is either, I figure he's probably right also... but I think the indignation came not so much as to WHO he is, but as to HOW he said it. Plain and simple: If'n yor gonna' talk to us edumacated simmer's... then you need to come up to our level... ain't that right, all you'ins? ;-) Andre "Bubba" Ming ("Bubba"... remember Bruce?) Have fun and keep it light...

> F1RS is far superior to GP2 in every respect. > In fact it makes GP2 look like it was designed for the Atari. Blah blah blah Yawwwnnnnn!!!!! *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

yes well, i was pissed about seeing all these people knocking the sim, i drive everyday, and love,

I'm not sure irony works very well in NG's, Noppa? /Christer

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> >As I am probably going to get a brand new computer sometime in the near > >future that > >can flawlessly handle either, I am wondering which simulation is better. > If I were you, for better graphics, realism and gameplay I would > choose F1RS. > If you want just pure simple arcade action where you need no brains, > get GP2. It is more like Atari's Pole Position really. Very > unrealistic game, but then some people like GP2 for that.

It's time you replace your Commodore64 ;-) Ren Ouderling

Yo bubba, I agree with you. The thing that got me about yourname (whom I agree with BTW) was he sounded like Jean Alesi or something. So I figured what the heck I'll ask :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. >> What in the hell do any of you punks, putting these sims down, even know >> about driving, i think F1rs is too hard for you guys that hate it, >> you know if any of you had ever driven an open wheeled car , you could >> talk your ***about driving models, but since none of you have , then > i don't think you have an inclincling >> of knowledge about how these autos would, or should act, and react, >To Which Greg Sisco asked: >> Well who in the hell are you? >To which Somebody else said: >> I don't know who the hell he is either, but he is probably about 99.5% >> right:-) >And I add: >I don't know who he is either, I figure he's probably right also... but >I think the indignation came not so much as to WHO he is, but as to HOW >he said it. Plain and simple: If'n yor gonna' talk to us edumacated >simmer's... then you need to come up to our level... ain't that right, >all you'ins? ;-) >Andre "Bubba" Ming ("Bubba"... remember Bruce?) >Have fun and keep it light...

Your Name wrote Looks like a cartoon, but with the ***menu that's the only complaint about F1RS I have (well, taking out that Monaco GP they want to sell us that looks like F1RS with the patch 1.2). Many of us are real-life driver, you can understand that ? ok... well graphics are probably the last thing we care about racing simulators. It's not important, too most of our eyes. I run Gp2 in VGA just to have the 25fps all the time, I would get aroun 20 in Svga but who cares about the eye-candy if you are a real driver. When you look at the graphics you will end up in the wall. Oh and if you think that F1RS has some good racing graphics you ain't seen nothing yet... GPL mister GPL !!! LOL, you ain't seen nothing yet !!! Nascar3 mister Nascar3 !!! ;-P - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

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> >F1RS plays like shit ,menu interface is much to slow ,the colours looks like > >a nintendo game and the cars are shitty also!! > >Buy GP2 ,....you really have a good time with that one,...as an appitizer for GP3!!!! > It's time you replace your Commodore64 ;-) > Ren Ouderling

Do both games runs on your C64 then................. -- Greetings :) ___ RuuD? []_.-' (Q_,._ (o)_[F1}____(o)Z> +--------------------------------------------------+

Francios, you been smoking that canadian bacon again?? LOL HigPup Sean Higgins http://www.teleport.com/~higgy/