NFS vs. NFS2

Here's what I've deduced: If you play sim racers, you like NFS If you play arcade racers, you like NFS2. I like NFS2. I played the demo of NFS and thought it sucked cause the car spun around every time you tried to turn too fast. I personally hate sims cause if you go too fast, you can't control the car, i.e. F1RS, you gotta slow down to 2 MPH (I'm exaggerating) to turn the corners. I think EA is turning the NFS series into a mainly arcade game because arcade games allow you to go faster (Need for SPEED). But NFS3 will have a sim mode, and it probably will be a lot more like NFS, to address the complaints some people had about NFS2 (just like they brought the cops back). So I think everyone will end up happy. Remember, it's PRE-BETA, and you can't judge much from it, it can only get better. Hmm, that was longer than I thought it would be. -- "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." -Fargo

only cos your a ***driver... rec.autos.SIMULATORS not arcaders

Hey genius... it was a cross post that was also in a 3dfx newsgroup. People have different tastes. This guy wants to go fast all the time. so let him. He very astutely pointed out that this version should satisfy everyone. Posts like yours really make me wonder about the evolution of man... : only cos your a ***driver... rec.autos.SIMULATORS not arcaders :> Here's what I've deduced: :> :> If you play sim racers, you like NFS :> If you play arcade racers, you like NFS2. :> :> I like NFS2. I played the demo of NFS and thought it sucked cause the car :> spun around every time you tried to turn too fast. I personally hate sims :> cause if you go too fast, you can't control the car, i.e. F1RS, you gotta :> slow down to 2 MPH (I'm exaggerating) to turn the corners. I think EA is :> turning the NFS series into a mainly arcade game because arcade games : allow :> you to go faster (Need for SPEED). But NFS3 will have a sim mode, and it :> probably will be a lot more like NFS, to address the complaints some : people :> had about NFS2 (just like they brought the cops back). So I think : everyone :> will end up happy. Remember, it's PRE-BETA, and you can't judge much from :> it, it can only get better. Hmm, that was longer than I thought it would : be. :> :> -- :> "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." :> -Fargo :> :> :> :>

Group FAQ says arcade posts are welcome, d00d. -- "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." -Fargo >only cos your a ***driver... rec.autos.SIMULATORS not arcaders

Is this for sure? I thought the handling in NFS1 was GREAT. Are they also bringing back the***pit view? I had dismissed NFS3, 'cause I thought it would be more of NFS2, but now I'm interested.

Yes, dashboards will be back in NFS3 (if you have enough video ram).

Where did you read that it is RAM dependent? -- "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." -Fargo >Yes, dashboards will be back in NFS3 (if you have enough video ram).

>Here's what I've deduced: >If you play sim racers, you like NFS >If you play arcade racers, you like NFS2. I like "realistic arcade racers", so NFS 1 was my favourite PC game of all time. However, I loathed NFS2SE even though I do like a GOOD arcade racer. I hope so (downloading the demo as I write). Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript http://www.manning.com/McGinn/459.html ===================================================

What was wrong with NFS2SE? -- "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." -Fargo >I like "realistic arcade racers", so NFS 1 was my favourite PC game of >all time. However, I loathed NFS2SE even though I do like a GOOD >arcade racer. snip

>Where did you read that it is RAM dependent? >>Yes, dashboards will be back in NFS3 (if you have enough video ram). In the Voodoo magazine. Although, that article was writen awhile back. It does not say how much is enough though.

> What was wrong with NFS2SE? To me? The flying behind the car nonsense! ;^) l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Most people I know play that way, especially console gamers. I love being able to see the car. I constantly switch views during a race, got the camera button right above accelerate. No one's forcing you to use it. -- "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." -Fargo >> What was wrong with NFS2SE? >To me? The flying behind the car nonsense! ;^) >l8er >ronny >-- >Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, >kiddo?" > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

>What was wrong with NFS2SE? Driving model was crappy, all the cars felt the same, trucks absolutely sucked, no interesting gameplay (i.e., cops or something), graphics were flashy but non-functional in important areas (the infamous backwards road textures at high speeds). Joe McGinn =================================================== Author of Inside LotusScript http://www.manning.com/McGinn/459.html ===================================================

> Most people I know play that way, especially console gamers. I love being > able to see the car. I constantly switch views during a race, got the camera > button right above accelerate. No one's forcing you to use it. I won't play without using my Voodoo! Use the Voodoo, and flying behind the car nonsense is the only option in NFS2 SE... That's why it was bad, for me. l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

My sister couldn't race for ***till she used the bumper car view. And that's not the only option in NFS 2 SE, there's the chase view, the heli view, and the bumper view. -- "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." -Fargo >I won't play without using my Voodoo! Use the Voodoo, and flying behind >the car >nonsense is the only option in NFS2 SE... That's why it was bad, for me. >l8er >ronny >-- >Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, >kiddo?" > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

I'm still waiting for someone to de-throne Test Drive 2. Not since Test Drive 2 have I replayed a racing game so much. I have never been able to control a car from a***pit view (my favorite) since Test Drive 2. -Pious_Peter

> My sister couldn't race for ***till she used the bumper car view. And > that's not the only option in NFS 2 SE, there's the chase view, the heli > view, and the bumper view. Yes, I know! ...flying behind/above/beyond the car nonsense! ;^) l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Some of you guys are so damned picky. I hate to tell you this, but until we have titles that slam us around, put off the smell of burning *** and all of the other nuances of racing, there will NEVER be a TRUE racing simulator under the specifics that some of you cite. Why argue about what is and isn't a sim (in my humble opinion, anything that controllably simulates driving qualifies)? Why can't you just have some fun? And, while you're at it, let others have fun too? Sorry, I guess I vented a little there ;-) Tony Long

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> Here's what I've deduced: > If you play sim racers, you like NFS > If you play arcade racers, you like NFS2. > I like NFS2. I played the demo of NFS and thought it sucked cause the car > spun around every time you tried to turn too fast. I personally hate sims > cause if you go too fast, you can't control the car, i.e. F1RS, you gotta > slow down to 2 MPH (I'm exaggerating) to turn the corners. I think EA is > turning the NFS series into a mainly arcade game because arcade games allow > you to go faster (Need for SPEED). But NFS3 will have a sim mode, and it > probably will be a lot more like NFS, to address the complaints some people > had about NFS2 (just like they brought the cops back). So I think everyone > will end up happy. Remember, it's PRE-BETA, and you can't judge much from > it, it can only get better. Hmm, that was longer than I thought it would be. > -- > "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." > -Fargo

> But then, most guys I know rest best with that nonsense. I don't care! ;^) You asked for my reason, not to like it. I really didn't want to convince you to hate it, too. l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

> I'm still waiting for someone to de-throne Test Drive 2. Not since Test > Drive 2 have I replayed a racing game so much. I have never been able to > control a car from a***pit view (my favorite) since Test Drive 2. I've got to agree with you there! Nothing seems to come close to that. Not only do you have cops that went for the "other guy" (I usually went 55mph when I heard the cops and they usually blew by me and went after the computer guy) but there was also damage to the cars when you went over a pot hole. I remember one time my car lost steering to the right and it was tough making the car go straight. That was fun.

You guys all left out one major point to why NFS2 sucked, the sound. It is awlful. In NFS you felt like you where in a corvette not only becuase of the graphics, but it rumbled like a vette. In NFS2 everything sounds the same, bad. Sure, the background sounds are nice, but the engines just suck. I figure that EA thinks everyone races with the music on, but I can't stand the music, never could. It's a major flaw in all windows games. I have never heard a direct sound racing game that sounded really good. No racing game before or since sounded so cool when racing. Hell, in NFS2 the beatle sounded more realistic then the Mac. F1! It looks like more of the same in NFS3. The graphics look great, but the poor sound in the demo means I will be thinking twice before purchasing. Also, as far as I can tell why is EA not including directsound3d or A3d support in the game, I have seen nothing about any such support, and this is a type of game I would think would benifit immensly from such support.

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>>What was wrong with NFS2SE? >Driving model was crappy, all the cars felt the same, trucks >absolutely sucked, no interesting gameplay (i.e., cops or something), >graphics were flashy but non-functional in important areas (the >infamous backwards road textures at high speeds). >Joe McGinn >=================================================== >Author of Inside LotusScript >http://www.manning.com/McGinn/459.html >===================================================

I always stop noticing sounds after a few seconds of playing. The music rocked, though. -- "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." -Fargo >You guys all left out one major point to why NFS2 sucked, the sound. It is snip

Salve Anubis !!! A> You guys all left out one major point to why NFS2 sucked, the sound. It A> is awlful. In NFS you felt like you where in a corvette not only A> becuase of the graphics, but it rumbled like a vette. In NFS2 everything A> sounds the same, bad. Sure, the background sounds are nice, but the A> engines just suck. I stated that in one of my first mails concerning the NFS III-demo. I'll never understand why there's NO racingsim with a approx. real enginesound. Dows someone remember the Test drive IV-hype a few month ago ?? There were soundclips for the download that sounded so REAL that I couldn't hold my breath. Accolade claimed that the sound will be in the game too - but it wasn't. IMHO it was only a sampled sound :-/ Also, man mailt sich... .\\atze [ FmMW2109 - FmMB2139 ] *home* : http://www.home4u.de/buesing/