BURNOUT: CHAMPIONSHIP DRAG RACING, 1-800-677-0700, $39.95

To place your order, you can call 1-800-677-0700 from 9 AM to 6 PM, EST Ok, for all those people that cant get BURNOUT. Here is an 800# To order BURNOUT: CHAMPIONSHIP DRAG RACING, call us toll-free at 1-800-677-0700 from 9 AM to 6 PM, EST, or fill out our ordering form. Don Wilshe

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> To place your order, you can call 1-800-<snip> from 9 AM to 6 > PM, EST > Ok, for all those people that cant get BURNOUT. Here is an 800# > To order BURNOUT: CHAMPIONSHIP DRAG RACING, call us toll-free at > 1-<snip> from 9 AM to 6 PM, EST, or fill out our ordering > form.

Cut it out! Now you got your little marketing job, and suddenly you believe, spamming is okay? l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

To me it sounds more like DOn is posting some "news" about how to get your hands on a product. Is this not a news group? I dont see a problem with someone posting something that others are having problems with. I have been asked many times from people across the country and world where they can get Burnout, now Don tells everyone and you, (dip-s**t, in my opinion), are flaming him for "spam-ing"? This is a public news group to post information and questions about auto sims, that is exactly what Don just did.

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>> To place your order, you can call 1-800-<snip> from 9 AM to 6 >> PM, EST >> Ok, for all those people that cant get BURNOUT. Here is an 800# >> To order BURNOUT: CHAMPIONSHIP DRAG RACING, call us toll-free at >> 1-<snip> from 9 AM to 6 PM, EST, or fill out our ordering >> form. >Cut it out! Now you got your little marketing job, and suddenly >you believe, spamming is okay? >l8er >ronny >-- >Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, >kiddo?" > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> To me it sounds more like DOn is posting some "news" about how to get your > hands on a product. Is this not a news group? I dont see a problem with > someone posting something that others are having problems with. I have been > asked many times from people across the country and world where they can get > Burnout, now Don tells everyone and you, (dip-s**t, in my opinion), are > flaming him for "spam-ing"? > This is a public news group to post information and questions about auto > sims, that is exactly what Don just did.

Hmm, I never saw someone from Papyrus, UbiSoft, MicroProse post commercial ads giving out 1-800 numbers to order their products. They don't need to. Uuuh, so you called me a dip-shit, but you're afraid to spell it out, dweeb? l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Ronny, not to get too carried away here but unless Don was hired this A.M. by Bethesda he is not an employee of the company. Nor am I, we are beta testers. So Bethesda did not spam this group! The reason Don posted the message was in response to the game not being available or sold out in certain markets. I myself had several inquires into where the game could be purchased, as did Don. As far as spamming goes, yes Papy did it a few weeks ago looking for more potential employees. I also remember when GP2 came out a few years ago Microprose having a rep in here PR'ing the game as well as several beta testers. I also seem to recall somebody from UBISoft making some kind of representation here at one point, with POD or F1RS but could be mistaken. Pete

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>> Hmm, I never saw someone from Papyrus, UbiSoft, MicroProse post > commercial > ads giving out 1-800 numbers to order their products. They don't need > to. > Uuuh, so you called me a dip-shit, but you're afraid to spell it out, > dweeb? > l8er > ronny > -- > Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, > kiddo?" > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Ronny: It was my understanding that newsgroup was for information on all products. Technical as well as availabilty. Some people were trying to find it so I gave them an 800#. Its a service. Don Wilshe

Dip-Sh........, No, I wont drop to your childish level. Get your facts straight first before accusing someone of spamming on this NG. But yes, I firmly belive you are a complete and total dip-s**t, and will most likely continue to be one.

Tim: I am suppose to be doing the marketing for SHRA not you.. hehe don > Dip-Sh........, No, I wont drop to your childish level. Get your facts > straight first before accusing someone of spamming on this NG. But yes, I > firmly belive you are a complete and total dip-s**t, and will most likely > continue to be one.

> Ronny: > It was my understanding that newsgroup was for information on all products. > Technical as well as availabilty. Some people were trying to find it so > I gave them an 800#. Its a service. I have no problem with you talking about the sim, but you should admit, that the posting in question "looked" like a perfect spam posting. Of course, if I'm alone with this impression, shame on me and keep on doing the "marketing" for your product... l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> Dip-Sh........, No, I wont drop to your childish level. Get your facts > straight first before accusing someone of spamming on this NG. But yes, I > firmly belive you are a complete and total dip-s**t, and will most likely > continue to be one. > >Uuuh, so you called me a dip-shit, but you're afraid to spell it out, > >dweeb?

Excuse me, you started the name calling, and you accuse me of childish behaviour?? Oh well... Why is it, that everytime somebody tries to reduce the spamming on a newsgroup some fanatic follower of the subject blows his top and goes into a frenzy? Don's posting was the closest to spamming I ever saw on this ng... l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> Why is it, that everytime somebody tries to reduce the spamming on a > newsgroup some fanatic follower of the subject blows his top and goes > into a frenzy? Don's posting was the closest to spamming I ever saw > on this ng... > l8er > ronny

AFAIK this is an open newsgroup and anyone can post anything he chooses, its up to you to read or not read but please dont try to dictate to the rest of us as to what is or is not spam. Thanks Trev

I second this insight. Why care so much of a post?

snip > AFAIK this is an open newsgroup and anyone can post anything he chooses, > its up to you to read or not read but please dont try to dictate to the > rest of us as to what is or is not spam. Oh, when did this change? If I remember correctly, all commercial postings were and still are unwanted. And there's a big difference between Don's posting and your comments regarding the TSW...well, maybe a small one. l8er ronny -- <Your advertising could be here! Call 555-12345> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Don Wilshe wrote : PFFFFFFHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!! ROTF Don you are sooooo much ;-)) <please, only me and him understand the real point about this> TEE HEE I'm really laughing. Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) --"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

> I second this insight. Why care so much of a post? It starts with one post... l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Hey Ronny, Get a life would ya? Don's post was placed there so others who read this group and wonder what the comotion is about Burnout will be able to check it out. If you really wanted to get technical about it, this whole newsgroup is spam. I won't buy a product until I read posts about it, good, bad or indifferent. If it seems everyone is enjoying the game, I buy it. This is advertising by a method known as 'word of mouth'. If you can't deal with Don helping someone find the product, then maybe you need to not be reading newgroups. Russell D. Laughlin Jr.

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>snip >> AFAIK this is an open newsgroup and anyone can post anything he chooses, >> its up to you to read or not read but please dont try to dictate to the >> rest of us as to what is or is not spam. >Oh, when did this change? If I remember correctly, all commercial >postings >were and still are unwanted. >And there's a big difference between Don's posting and your comments >regarding >the TSW...well, maybe a small one. >l8er >ronny >-- ><Your advertising could be here! Call 555-12345> > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Hmm, English may not be my native tongue, but was my complaint so badly worded? Anyway, I just accept, that Don's posting was a private service and not commercially motivated. l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> snip > > AFAIK this is an open newsgroup and anyone can post anything he chooses, > > its up to you to read or not read but please dont try to dictate to the > > rest of us as to what is or is not spam. > Oh, when did this change? If I remember correctly, all commercial > postings > were and still are unwanted. > And there's a big difference between Don's posting and your comments > regarding > the TSW...well, maybe a small one. > l8er > ronny

Ronny it really isnt that big of a deal to me, I just think that Don should be able to make postings such as the one that started all this if he wants. As long as it isnt actual commercial advertising I think it would pass the so called "rules" of newsgroups dont you? Trev

Ron: No offense and I do appreciate your view and advice. But in the future if you need to contact me for just $125.00 an hour.. Please call me at 1(800) ***-**** don wilshe hehe Ro

> Ron: > No offense and I do appreciate your view and advice. But in the > future if you need to contact me for just $125.00 an hour.. Please > call me at 1(800) ***-**** No real offense here, at least not like the religious outrage of some kids on this ng. Some get so attached to a PC game, it's funny... l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!