The "Other" Drag Racing Sim

Wasn't there another drag racing sim that was due out this spring? I thought its focus was the Top Fuel and Funny Car ranks. Dale

The "other" sim is called NHRA Drag Racing and it is do in stores around May 29th. Tony Rizzuti

Just keeps getting pushed back don't it <vbg> was suppose to be out beginning of April. Robert "GT86" Platts BlackHole MotorSports http://www.ivga.com/bhmotorsports Pro Series Racing League http:\\home.earthlink.net\~garywin

>Just keeps getting pushed back don't it <vbg> was suppose to be out >beginning of April. Actually I think they were hoping to have it out by the Pomona race...now I'm wondering if they meant the Winternationals or the Winston Finals. Kevin

NHRA: Guaranteed to be worth its *wait* in gold. ;)

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> Just keeps getting pushed back don't it <vbg> was suppose to be out > beginning of April. > Robert "GT86" Platts > BlackHole MotorSports > http://www.ivga.com/bhmotorsports > Pro Series Racing League > http:\\home.earthlink.net\~garywin > >The "other" sim is called NHRA Drag Racing and it is do in stores around > May > >29th. > >Tony Rizzuti

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Yep especially when you can't play it on the net. :) Robert "GT86" Platts BlackHole MotorSports http://www.ivga.com/bhmotorsports Pro Series Racing League http://home.earthlink.net/~garywin

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>NHRA: Guaranteed to be worth its *wait* in gold. ;) >-- >(please remove '_*_' when replying) >Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com >The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com >* No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

>Yep especially when you can't play it on the net. :) Ok, to continue this game... What about the "other" where you can't race with a***pit view. :) I'm waiting for this reply: "But they are working on a patch for it". No***pit vs. No Online playing.... I would choose the second. >>NHRA: Guaranteed to be worth its *wait* in gold. ;) Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)

>>Yep especially when you can't play it on the net. :) >Ok, to continue this game... >What about the "other" where you can't race with a***pit view. :) >I'm waiting for this reply: Well I'd rather race with a bunch of guys than play with myself in my ***pit. :) Ahhhh... but it's on the shelves now isn't it?

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>No***pit vs. No Online playing.... I would choose the second. >>>NHRA: Guaranteed to be worth its *wait* in gold. ;) >Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) >Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)

> Ahhhh... but it's on the shelves now isn't it? So's CPR...would I buy it knowing Papy may do another (and condering the bugs in CPR anyway)?...Nope. Cheers! Marc -- (please remove '_*_' when replying) Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

Barry, you should respect his view about wanting to play with himself! Its his vision, thats going to be lacking! If it isn't already! :-) Gee, there could be a hidden double meaning here! :-) Pete

Hmmmm... now just when was the last time that I bought a bug free piece of software? Let me see......

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>> Ahhhh... but it's on the shelves now isn't it? >So's CPR...would I buy it knowing Papy may do another (and condering >the bugs in CPR anyway)?...Nope. >Cheers! >Marc >-- >(please remove '_*_' when replying) >Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com >The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com >* No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

Difference being that the bugs that are in Burnout don't detract from it being ***ive and fun. Plus, they are committed to getting the realism factor correct, including a "cockpit" for those that require one. Last night I spent a couple of hours coaching a friend of mine on how to play Burnout, he isn't a big racing fan, he did beta CPR and became dis-illusioned with it. I could never get him into the Nascar sims but guess what he phoned me back this A.M. and he is still playing with it! "Boy this is a lot of fun". By the way he doesn't like drag racing but he does like "Burnout". Pete

Barry, I am in the process of writing a game based on Entomology and with a sequal based on the Order of Hemipteran and they are both guaranteed to be bug free! :-) Pete

Never said bug-free, what I said was "considering *the* bugs." > Hmmmm... now just when was the last time that I bought a bug free piece of > software? Let me see...... -- (please remove '_*_' when replying) Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

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>>Yep especially when you can't play it on the net. :) >Ok, to continue this game... >What about the "other" where you can't race with a***pit view. :) >I'm waiting for this reply: >"But they are working on a patch for it". >No***pit vs. No Online playing.... I would choose the second.

Well this is the "Stupidest" thing I've read in the Burnout vs NHRA debate yet, but thats ok you keep waiting for NHRA and we'll keep having a great time with Burnout. You wouldn't like the online playing anyway as you would be constantly going away a loser, because the lack of a***pit is so detrimental to setting up a race car, which is what Burnout is about. Bob

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> >>Yep especially when you can't play it on the net. :) > >Ok, to continue this game... > >What about the "other" where you can't race with a***pit view. :) > >I'm waiting for this reply: > >"But they are working on a patch for it". > >No***pit vs. No Online playing.... I would choose the second. > Well this is the "Stupidest" thing I've read in the Burnout vs NHRA debate > yet, but thats ok you keep waiting for NHRA and we'll keep having a great time > with Burnout. > You wouldn't like the online playing anyway as you would be constantly going > away a loser, because the lack of a***pit is so detrimental to setting up > a race car, which is what Burnout is about. > Bob

The whole debate is dumb anyhow, No1 there is more than enough room for two good drag sims, 2 Bethesda is adding a***pit, 3 Online play isnt a number one priority with most players anyhow. I plan to buy both sims as soon as Bethesda has fixed the bugs and I plan to enjoy them both, regardless of online play. Trev

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>The whole debate is dumb anyhow, No1 there is more than enough room for >two good drag sims, 2 Bethesda is adding a***pit, 3 Online play isnt a >number one priority with most players anyhow. >I plan to buy both sims as soon as Bethesda has fixed the bugs and I >plan to enjoy them both, regardless of online play. >Trev

This has been my view and quite a few others as well. I intend to get NHRA as soon as it hit the shelves. Both sims will sit nice together on the hardrive and will get quite a bit of use!

> Barry, you should respect his view about wanting to play with himself! >Its his vision, thats going to be lacking! If it isn't already! :-) Gee, >there could >be a hidden double meaning here! :-) Not really. Grrrr ;-) Seriously, I want a good drag racing game, and yes Burnout is coming pretty close of it, and I know with a***pit view it will be a good drag simulator for me. If it's NHRA, well good for them. Especially since I think it's optimized for the Riva128. And no, don't tell me go buy a 3dfx card because I don't care about voodoo cards for the moment. My racing simulators are perfect with a Rendition + STB Velocity 128. I just don't understand how Burnout can have 5fps in VGA with every graphics Off, on my PII 266 and STB V128 agp. It's drag racing, doesn't involve complex graphics and normal game engine calculation (compared to my 25fps in N2 in SVGA with all graphics). Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) --"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

Trevor C Thomas wrote Bingo this is mine also. Looks like people think I'm dumb because I prefer realism than multiplayer racing. Oh well it's probably because of my name. You know... <g> Like I said I want a good drag simulator. I think that a***pit is a priority higher than online racing for a simulator. I can have a blast against the AI for drag racing, but for other types of racing I will prefer humans (NROS). I'm happy that they decided to add a***pit to Burnout, so when it's out I will retry it. Bingo Trev. I want to enjoy Burnout presently, but without a***pit there is no realism for me, I rather get some blast into Papyrus's simulators instead and wait. I will change it not long. But for the poor performance in non-3dfx, this is entirely Bethsoft's fault. Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) --"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

Unfortunately, or fortunately, for those of us with Voodoo's 1 or 2 the majority of software companies have decided that it will be the card of choice in most instances. With D3D or whatever supporting the rest. In talking with coders at several companies, they are much easier to work with than some of the other cards. And they just don't have the manpower or dollars to spend writing for every 3d card on the market. As far as the software version I agree it should run better but I haven't spent any time playing with it to know why it is so slow. I can't say whether this is being addressed in Bethesda's patch as I haven't seen any posts in this regard. Perhaps one of the beta testers is aware of it specifically. It may also have to do with which of the 2 cards you are using to run it. If it is the AGP card perhaps there is a problem with that card. As it is my understanding that unless you are running out of Win NT the AGP can't be used to any advantage, plus if I'm not mistaken it must be coded to use it. These are only guesses on my part in this regard. By the way with my O.C. 233mmx(262.5mhz) I get 100 fps with a Voodoo 2 card. Pete

Guys: I have owned and I have driven a FUNNY CAR. Its wasnt Nitro and its wasn't blown, but it was INJECTED and it had this big ass manifold about the same size as a blower. You think its nice driving a funny car your crazy. You are setting in the back seat and you have this big ass manifold in the middle of the car. You have this little stinking area about 1 foot square to look out. You dont look around or side to side you just look way the hell out and point. For all those who have asked for a***pit view it will be interesting to see the implemenation by both BETHESDA and TANTRUM and than see if any one uses it. I cant wait until these companies add tire shake so you cant see the guages. See the guages.. Give me a break. You look at the guages four times. Once before you burn-out and after !!! And Once before you stage and once after you have staged... I can just see it now.. .TIRE SHAKE.. Lets move those guages about 2 inches and lets move that window view about 4 inches at about 1500 times a second. That is realism... BRENT, it would sort of look like the MPLAYER LOGO when you log in.... hehe Julian, you got some input here bud!!!! Don Wilshe Yes I was part of CIFCA in California!!!! It wasnt a fast funny car, but it was cheap.. 7.90's and 225mph. But that was 10 years ago....

Well Don, I understand that this is the way it was twenty years ago, but nowadays Top Fuel dragsters have the motor in the rear (behind the driver) so this is not an issue. Todd

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>>Guys: >>I have owned and I have driven a FUNNY CAR. Its wasnt Nitro and >>its wasn't blown, but it was INJECTED and it had this big ass manifold >>about the same size as a blower. You think its nice driving a funny car >>your crazy. You are setting in the back seat and you have this big ass >>manifold in the middle of the car. You have this little stinking area >>about 1 foot square to look out. You dont look around or side to >>side you just look way the hell out and point. For all those who >Well Don, I understand that this is the way it was twenty years ago, >but nowadays Top Fuel dragsters have the motor in the rear (behind the >driver) so this is not an issue. >Todd

True,.........but funny cars are still front engine rides, as are pro mods, pro stocks, super stocks,...etc. Try looking around a tunnel ram hood scoop sometime! Mike There are few things in life that a chainsaw can't fix...... "Bill the Cat" Bloom County

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> Guys: > I have owned and I have driven a FUNNY CAR. Its wasnt Nitro and > its wasn't blown, but it was INJECTED and it had this big ass manifold > about the same size as a blower. You think its nice driving a funny car > your crazy. You are setting in the back seat and you have this big ass > manifold in the middle of the car. You have this little stinking area > about 1 foot square to look out. You dont look around or side to > side you just look way the hell out and point. For all those who > have asked for a***pit view it will be interesting to see the > implemenation by both BETHESDA and TANTRUM and than > see if any one uses it. I cant wait until these companies add tire > shake so you cant see the guages. See the guages.. Give me > a break. You look at the guages four times. Once before you > burn-out and after !!! And Once before you stage and once > after you have staged... > I can just see it now.. .TIRE SHAKE.. Lets move those > guages about 2 inches and lets move that window view about > 4 inches at about 1500 times a second. That is realism... > BRENT, it would sort of look like the MPLAYER LOGO when you > log in.... hehe > Julian, you got some input here bud!!!! > Don Wilshe > Yes I was part of CIFCA in California!!!! It wasnt a fast funny > car, but it was cheap.. 7.90's and 225mph. But that was 10 > years ago....

Don, FYI "NHRA Drag Racing" models tire shake and a whole lot of other things. Yes the view from the***pit is restricted as it is in real life but IMO it still needs to be there. Since bethesda has promised to add a***pit view and fix some of the unrealisticly fast times run by ordinary cars, I think they are on the right track also. I dont see a problem with having two different types of drag sims as long as they are equally realistic. Trev

Don Wilshe wrote That's what I want Don !!!! Don, all this is true 100% and that is perfect. I want the most realistic ***pit possible. You know tiny little screen, check your gauges at start, do your bur-nout (while the screen shakes like hell), check your gauge at the start, wait for the start, and boom! hit the gass. I want the screen to shake like HELL (I'm sooo sure it's a smooth ride ;-) ). Gauges who aren't readable, since you shake so much they look blurry. If only that, I am in heaven !! Burnout the Drag simulator (not the Drag game). Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) --"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

He He.... I didnt say anything about DRAGSTERS.. I had a funny car. Yousee a FUNNY CAR has a body and a Rail doesnt.... Daaaaa Don Wilshe

Trev: I agree and if there was 5 drag sims I would buy them all.. I wish we had 5 sources for NASCAR so we werent stuck with PAPYRUS!!! Don Wilshe

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> Don Wilshe wrote > >You have this little stinking area > >about 1 foot square to look out. You dont look around or side to > >side you just look way the hell out and point. > That's what I want Don !!!! > >So all those who > >have asked for a***pit view it will be interesting to see the > >implemenation by both BETHESDA and TANTRUM and than > >see if any one uses it. I cant wait until these companies add tire > >shake so you cant see the guages. See the guages.. Give me > >a break. You look at the guages four times. Once before you > >burn-out and after !!! And Once before you stage and once > >after you have staged... > Don, all this is true 100% and that is perfect. I want the most realistic >***pit possible. You know tiny little screen, check your gauges at start, > do your bur-nout (while the screen shakes like hell), check your gauge at > the start, wait for the start, and boom! hit the gass. I want the screen to > shake like HELL (I'm sooo sure it's a smooth ride ;-) ). Gauges who > aren't readable, since you shake so much they look blurry. > If only that, I am in heaven !! Burnout the Drag simulator (not the Drag > game). > Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) > Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. > Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club > Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) > Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) > --"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

Francoise, If this is what you want then "NHRA Drag Racing" will make you happy, all of that is in there along with engine blowups where the car is full of smoke and flame at 200+ MPH and a whole lot of other goodies, this is a SERIOUS sim :)! Trev

Trevor C Thomas wrote ^^^^^^^^^^^ Trevor.... Francoise is a girl name in French. Please try Fran?ois next time ;-)) Thanks for the information. I want a good drag game, and with the good things I hear from NHRA and the upcoming patches for Burnout, my "dream" may come true. Btw, I heard it would be accelerated for Riva chips ? Is it true ? Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) --"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

> Thanks for the information. I want a good drag game, and with the good > things I hear from NHRA and the upcoming patches for Burnout, my "dream" may > come true. > Btw, I heard it would be accelerated for Riva chips ? Is it true ? Yes it is accelerated for Riva but there is also 3Dfx support, in fact I belive there will be support for all the major chips. We have a new beta build coming tomorrow so I should know more then. I'll be happy to answer any questions that arent under the NDA, OK? Trev

Does this mean it is going to miss the late may release? I am getting really e***d about this game and would like to have it now, but if it is not done yet, it isn't done.

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> > Thanks for the information. I want a good drag game, and with the good > > things I hear from NHRA and the upcoming patches for Burnout, my "dream" may > > come true. > > Btw, I heard it would be accelerated for Riva chips ? Is it true ? > Yes it is accelerated for Riva but there is also 3Dfx support, in fact I > belive there will be support for all the major chips. We have a new beta > build coming tomorrow so I should know more then. > I'll be happy to answer any questions that arent under the NDA, OK? > Trev

>Does this mean it is going to miss the late may release? I am getting really >e***d about this game and would like to have it now, but if it is not done > yet, >it isn't done. Hehe............Late May of which year? Seriously when is this coming out? Trev makes it sound like it's better n sex so come on Tantrum give us a clue! While I LOVE Burnout there's more than enuff room for any "Good" Dragracing game, and yes I mean game. We'll have to wait to see if Tantrums "GAME" is really a "SIM" or not, just because Trev and Tantrum call it a sim ain't good enuff for me. I seem to recall "The Road to Indy" and "Sabre Ace" being called "Sims" too and we all know they aren't! Hey PAPY this means you too get of yer ass and show us what you can do! Bob