So guys, whos with me in thinking its harder to drive the roadies with the
900 wheel but easier to drive the roundy rounds with it?
one things for sure, going from a BRD wheel to an MSFF wheel to a Logitech
Driving Force Pro wheel with 900 degrees of rotation (but still using those
amazing BRD pedals, and im only talking about their old ones!) takes ALOT of
getting used to!
cool wheel.
pez
Logitech Driving Force Pro 900-degree wheel in NR2003
Pez found the 900-degree Logitech Driving Force Pro made ovals easier but road courses harder in NR2003. Steve Smith noted that real cars need far more steering lock than typical sim wheels, and Alan Le described calibrating to about 450 to 540 degrees. Pez later rated its force feedback the best he had used on PC.
hardware: wheels/pedalsNASCAR Racing 2003 Season
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Think of it the other way around. My friend Michael, who is a whiz at
computer racing and RW motorbike racing (Ducati), tried his hand at Formula
Dodge. He said the difference between RW and computer racing that's hardest
to get used to was how small the angular wheel movement is w. computer
racing. It the RW, it takes great big fistfuls of lock to turn in, even w.
a twitchy single-seater.
"Pez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> So guys, whos with me in thinking its harder to drive the roadies with the
> 900 wheel but easier to drive the roundy rounds with it?
>
> one things for sure, going from a BRD wheel to an MSFF wheel to a Logitech
> Driving Force Pro wheel with 900 degrees of rotation (but still usingthose
> amazing BRD pedals, and im only talking about their old ones!) takes ALOTof
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> getting used to! > > cool wheel. > > pez > >I found it to be a problem going from my BRD F1 Sim wheel to caterhams, the
wheel is almost the same size, yet the caterham wants gobs of lock!
the formula fords ive raced always seemed quite similar to the BRD wheel.
Ive suggested to BRD that they include a software controlled 'steering lock
limit' that can activate a lock 'lock' mechanism that limits rotation in
their new wheel depending on where a game wants it (iiuc its dictated by the
maximum degree angle that the front wheels can physically turn in the well
and the steering ratio, so you dont get more or less lock on the fronts
exaclty, its just the amount of turns on your steering wheel thats changed,
the speed of steering).
Now, to get the GTR people to talk to the BRD people about this kinda thing,
then we'd be in nirvana!
pez
"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Think of it the other way around. My friend Michael, who is a whiz at
> computer racing and RW motorbike racing (Ducati), tried his hand atFormula
> Dodge. He said the difference between RW and computer racing that'shardest
> to get used to was how small the angular wheel movement is w. computer
> racing. It the RW, it takes great big fistfuls of lock to turn in, evenw.
> a twitchy single-seater.
>
> "Pez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:GKgbc.29483$Y%[email hidden]...
> > So guys, whos with me in thinking its harder to drive the roadies withthe
> > 900 wheel but easier to drive the roundy rounds with it?
> >
> > one things for sure, going from a BRD wheel to an MSFF wheel to aLogitech
> > Driving Force Pro wheel with 900 degrees of rotation (but still using
> those
> > amazing BRD pedals, and im only talking about their old ones!) takesALOT
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> of > > getting used to! > > > > cool wheel. > > > > pez > > > > > >"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:3Vgbc.16523$[email hidden]:
> Think of it the other way around. My friend Michael, who is a whiz at
> computer racing and RW motorbike racing (Ducati), tried his hand at
> Formula Dodge. He said the difference between RW and computer racing
> that's hardest to get used to was how small the angular wheel movement
> is w. computer racing. It the RW, it takes great big fistfuls of lock
> to turn in, even w. a twitchy single-seater.
Maybe this is why I was demolished on my first kart outing by a mate who
I can blitz in sim racing. Or maybe I'm just not any good. But I was
taken aback by how physical it was. I can't imagine what it must be like
for the real F1 drivers to fight the g-forces for 2 hours in the heat
(like Bahrain this weekend).
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in fact it's a clean, smooth, progressive performance that supplies the
real speed."
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> So guys, whos with me in thinking its harder to drive the roadies with the
> 900 wheel but easier to drive the roundy rounds with it?
I calibrate using ~450 degrees of lock for roadies and ~540 degrees for
ovals. Then, I use the steering ratio in the setup to fine-tune the
response. It'd be nice if the degrees of lock were adjustable. Just
thought of something... wouldn't it be nice if SBDT designed GTR to work
well with the DFP?
Alan
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<[email hidden]> writes:
>Maybe this is why I was demolished on my first kart outing by a mate who
>I can blitz in sim racing. Or maybe I'm just not any good. But I was
>taken aback by how physical it was. I can't imagine what it must be like
>for the real F1 drivers to fight the g-forces for 2 hours in the heat
>(like Bahrain this weekend).
Hey, have you ever been to Kart-2-Kart in Sterling heights? That's a lot of
fun...
...although you'd probably kill me THERE, too. <g>
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"Pez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<GKgbc.29483$Y%[email hidden]>...
Is this for PC?
Logitech site said this is for PlayStation2.
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> So guys, whos with me in thinking its harder to drive the roadies with the > 900 wheel but easier to drive the roundy rounds with it? > > one things for sure, going from a BRD wheel to an MSFF wheel to a Logitech > Driving Force Pro wheel with 900 degrees of rotation (but still using those > amazing BRD pedals, and im only talking about their old ones!) takes ALOT of > getting used to! > > cool wheel. > > pezProlly is a PS2 part, but being USB, prolly also works w. a PC. BTW. some
(but not all) PC wheels work w. the PS2. You'd think Microsoft, which
championed USB (over Firewire, hyped by archrival Apple) would've
incorporated USB in the Xbox, but nooooooooooooo..............
"vvixxxerr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Pez" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<GKgbc.29483$Y%[email hidden]>...
> > So guys, whos with me in thinking its harder to drive the roadies withthe
> > 900 wheel but easier to drive the roundy rounds with it?
> >
> > one things for sure, going from a BRD wheel to an MSFF wheel to aLogitech
> > Driving Force Pro wheel with 900 degrees of rotation (but still usingthose
> > amazing BRD pedals, and im only talking about their old ones!) takesALOT of
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> > getting used to! > > > > cool wheel. > > > > pez > > Is this for PC? > Logitech site said this is for PlayStation2.[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:
> Hey, have you ever been to Kart-2-Kart in Sterling heights? That's a
> lot of fun...
> ...although you'd probably kill me THERE, too. <g>
No, I haven't heard of it. I'll have to look it up. I've been karting
exactly once in my life, in Indy during the 2002 GP weekend.
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>[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> Hey, have you ever been to Kart-2-Kart in Sterling heights? That's a >> lot of fun... >> ...although you'd probably kill me THERE, too. <g> > >No, I haven't heard of it. I'll have to look it up. I've been karting >exactly once in my life, in Indy during the 2002 GP weekend.[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:
> A guy in one of my GPL leagues told me about it. I've been out there
> a couple of times.
>
> http://www.kart2kart.com/
>
> Eldred
Thanks mate, looks fun. I'm going to see if I can rustle up my gang to go
there.
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Ped Xing
How does it's force feedback compares to other PC wheels, when connected to PC.
As far as I know, the PlayStation only supports rumbles/vibrations.
"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<dv_cc.10626$[email hidden]>...
> Prolly is a PS2 part, but being USB, prolly also works w. a PC. BTW. some
> (but not all) PC wheels work w. the PS2. You'd think Microsoft, which
> championed USB (over Firewire, hyped by archrival Apple) would've
> incorporated USB in the Xbox, but nooooooooooooo..............
How does it's force feedback compares to other PC wheels, when connected to PC?
As far as I know, the PlayStation controllers only rumble/vibrate.
"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<dv_cc.10626$[email hidden]>...
> Prolly is a PS2 part, but being USB, prolly also works w. a PC. BTW. some
> (but not all) PC wheels work w. the PS2. You'd think Microsoft, which
> championed USB (over Firewire, hyped by archrival Apple) would've
> incorporated USB in the Xbox, but nooooooooooooo..............
Righto. There may be actual force feedback, but what I felt was only
rumble. GT4 may have actual FF...if the 900-deg. TM wheel supports it.
"vvixxxerr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> How does it's force feedback compares to other PC wheels, when connectedto PC?
> As far as I know, the PlayStation controllers only rumble/vibrate.
>
> "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<dv_cc.10626$[email hidden]>...
> > Prolly is a PS2 part, but being USB, prolly also works w. a PC. BTW.some
> > (but not all) PC wheels work w. the PS2. You'd think Microsoft, which
> > championed USB (over Firewire, hyped by archrival Apple) would've
> > incorporated USB in the Xbox, but nooooooooooooo..............
Hmm. GT4 is PlayStation.
What I really want to know is how does Pro force feedback compare to
like MOMOs, when it's used with PC/USB, playing PC racing sims.
"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<tXvec.31593$[email hidden]>...
> Righto. There may be actual force feedback, but what I felt was only
> rumble. GT4 may have actual FF...if the 900-deg. TM wheel supports it.
"vvixxxerr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> What I really want to know is how does Pro force feedback compare to
> like MOMOs, when it's used with PC/USB, playing PC racing sims.
Any more feedback on this one?
I find a 900 degree wheel a most tempting proposal....
Regards,
Mark
Sorry for the late response.
Its force feedback effects are better than those of the MSFF (which was my
previous wheel, which now sits on my floor next to my BRD F1 Sim - im just
waiting for FF on those things!).
Id say its the best FF wheel out there based on what ive used so far.
pez
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> > "vvixxxerr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What I really want to know is how does Pro force feedback compare to > > like MOMOs, when it's used with PC/USB, playing PC racing sims. > > > Any more feedback on this one? > > I find a 900 degree wheel a most tempting proposal.... > > Regards, > > Mark > >What the hell is this thing?
-Larry
"Pez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> So guys, whos with me in thinking its harder to drive the roadies with the
> 900 wheel but easier to drive the roundy rounds with it?
>
> one things for sure, going from a BRD wheel to an MSFF wheel to a Logitech
> Driving Force Pro wheel with 900 degrees of rotation (but still usingthose
> amazing BRD pedals, and im only talking about their old ones!) takes ALOTof
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> getting used to! > > cool wheel. > > pez > >You're retired Military, right?
-Larry
"Alan Le" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"wouldn't it be nice if SBDT designed GTR to work well with the DFP?"
Never been in the military and too young to be retired. :) Funny you should
mention it though. I work in a call center where everything has an acronym,
and I've had more than one person ask me that.
Alan
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> You're retired Military, right? > > -Larry > > "Alan Le" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_Nwbc.17818$[email hidden]... > > > "wouldn't it be nice if SBDT designed GTR to work well with the DFP?" > >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> What the hell is this thing?
>
> -Larry
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=97,CONTENTID=7226
and it works very very well on the PC too!
pez
"Alan Le" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=97,CONTENTID=7226
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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FKdic.9176$VQ3.8435@lakeread06... > > What the hell is this thing? > > > > -Larry > >Hehe :)
Sounded like you were reading the POD at Quarters.
-Larry
"Alan Le" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Never been in the military and too young to be retired. :) Funny youshould
> mention it though. I work in a call center where everything has anacronym,
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> and I've had more than one person ask me that. > > Alan > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wMdic.9191$VQ3.3264@lakeread06... > > You're retired Military, right? > > > > -Larry > > > > "Alan Le" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:_Nwbc.17818$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "wouldn't it be nice if SBDT designed GTR to work well with the DFP?" > > > > > >Does it use the PC Logitech software properly ?
-Larry
"Pez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> and it works very very well on the PC too! > > pez > > "Alan Le" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:1%kic.419$[email hidden]... > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:FKdic.9176$VQ3.8435@lakeread06... > > > What the hell is this thing? > > > > > > -Larry > > > > >well ive been able to map all the buttons on the wheel that ive needed in
n2003, f1c and the gtr demo, its a good wheel, takes some getting used to
though, having to actually turn the wheel.
pez
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