Which IHO is the best Sim?

IHO, which is the best sim around. meaning which one is the easiest to use that gives you the most entertainment? TIA

On 9 Apr 2004 16:39:26 -0700, [email hidden] (Dash Ryp Rock) wrote: >IHO, which is the best sim around. meaning which one is the easiest to >use that gives you the most entertainment? >TIA The best of the best. EA's F1 Challenge 99-02 Papyrus' Nascar 2003 Season Papyrus' GPL

Yes, and the term is IMHO...not IHO "Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On 9 Apr 2004 16:39:26 -0700, [email hidden] (Dash Ryp > Rock) wrote: > > >IHO, which is the best sim around. meaning which one is the easiest to > >use that gives you the most entertainment? > >TIA > > The best of the best. > > EA's F1 Challenge 99-02 > Papyrus' Nascar 2003 Season > Papyrus' GPL

> Papyrus' Nascar 2003 Season I should have said this one is a matter of taste because I personally prefer EA's Nascar Thunder 2004 (PC version) but I knew that would get howls of derision here and N2003 by Papyrus is considered the best by most.

Actually it would be IYHO. :) "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ImVdc.21698$[email hidden]...

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> Yes, and the term is IMHO...not IHO > "Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On 9 Apr 2004 16:39:26 -0700, [email hidden] (Dash Ryp > > Rock) wrote: > > > > >IHO, which is the best sim around. meaning which one is the easiest to > > >use that gives you the most entertainment? > > >TIA > > > > The best of the best. > > > > EA's F1 Challenge 99-02 > > Papyrus' Nascar 2003 Season > > Papyrus' GPL > >

GP4

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:01:25 -0700, Slug <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >> Papyrus' Nascar 2003 Season > >I should have said this one is a matter of taste because I personally >prefer EA's Nascar Thunder 2004 (PC version) but I knew that would get >howls of derision here and N2003 by Papyrus is considered the best by >most.

Nascar Thunder 2004 is not a bad arcade game. It's pretty good for just wanting a quick race, without having to worry much about setup etc. It's good to just relieve frustration after a long day, and wreck some cars. My preference though is NR2003, although I am hooked to GPL and F1C at the moment. LOL.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:37:34 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> wrote: >Nascar Thunder 2004 is not a bad arcade game. It's pretty good for >just wanting a quick race, without having to worry much about setup >etc. It's good to just relieve frustration after a long day, and >wreck some cars. My preference though is NR2003, although I am hooked >to GPL and F1C at the moment. LOL. I like the driving feel of NT2004 better than N2003, that's why I prefer it.

[email hidden] (cronik) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > GP4 > I tracked that down just to try the cart mod that was available. You think that is a good product? I admit, I'm waaaay used to other titles, , but man, it just seems not sorted. The braking is mucho stronger than F1c...that is probably an area they got right. Steering seems to be very severe at slow speeds...not unstable severe, just turnin, turnin, turnin, go 85degreesswoosh... dh

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> >Nascar Thunder 2004 is not a bad arcade game. It's pretty good for > >just wanting a quick race, without having to worry much about setup > >etc. It's good to just relieve frustration after a long day, and > >wreck some cars. My preference though is NR2003, although I am hooked > >to GPL and F1C at the moment. LOL. > > I like the driving feel of NT2004 better than N2003, that's why I > prefer it.

Yeah, NT2004 feels better to me too but I acknowledge that NR2003 is the better all round game

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> > > > Papyrus' Nascar 2003 Season > > I should have said this one is a matter of taste because I personally > prefer EA's Nascar Thunder 2004 (PC version) but I knew that would get > howls of derision here and N2003 by Papyrus is considered the best by > most. >

If you're going to get a copy of Thunder then you might as well pick up a copy of Cart Precision Racing to go with it.

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> I tracked that down just to try the cart mod that was available. You think > that is a good product? I admit, I'm waaaay used to other titles, , but > man, it just seems not sorted. The braking is mucho stronger than > F1c...that is probably an area they got right. Steering seems to be very > severe at slow speeds...not unstable severe, just turnin, turnin, turnin, > go 85degreesswoosh... > dh

I was partly joking :P Although GP4 does have some good points such as AI and faithful tracks it is poor in other areas - physics, multi etc, but you can have some enjoyable racing with it when it is correctly setup. I recently tried F1C but found it unplayable due to enormous steering lag - you know I turn my wheel and a few seconds later the onscreen wheel turns. Seriously, I rate Papyrus's Nascar Racing 2003 Season as the best sim.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:37:34 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> wrote: >Nascar Thunder 2004 is not a bad arcade game. It's not an arcade game.

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:46:29 +1000, "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote: > If you're going to get a copy of Thunder then you might as well pick up >a copy of Cart Precision Racing to go with it. >Bollocks.

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>"Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote > On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:37:34 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Nascar Thunder 2004 is not a bad arcade game. > > It's not an arcade game.

It's a bad sim. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:00:00 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's a bad sim. No, it is not. And I doubt you even own a copy and are just blowing farts in the wind. Pastel ones at that.

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:38:14 -0700, Slug <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:00:00 -0400, "ymenard" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>It's a bad sim. > >No, it is not. And I doubt you even own a copy and are just blowing >farts in the wind. Pastel ones at that.

What my point was in calling it an arcade game, is that is the audience that it was targetted for. The difference is that with setup in NT2004, yes you can feel some difference between them, but it is not as realistic as a true sim oriented game like NR2003. There is nothing wrong with NT2004, I like the game, but it is geared more to an arcade type audience, because the younger generation nowadays want something to pop in and play right off, they don't want something that they have to take the time to master as much as NR2003 or GPL. NT2004 isn't a bad game, and me calling it an "arcade" game didn't mean it's a bad game. I play the game, and yes it is truly an "arcade" style of game, not a sim.

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:54:15 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What my point was in calling it an arcade game, is that is the >audience that it was targetted for. The difference is that with setup >in NT2004, yes you can feel some difference between them, but it is >not as realistic as a true sim oriented game like NR2003. There is >nothing wrong with NT2004, I like the game, but it is geared more to >an arcade type audience, because the younger generation nowadays want >something to pop in and play right off, they don't want something that >they have to take the time to master as much as NR2003 or GPL. NT2004 >isn't a bad game, and me calling it an "arcade" game didn't mean it's >a bad game. I play the game, and yes it is truly an "arcade" style of >game, not a sim.

OK, are you talking about the PC version or the console version? You do know that the PC version is developed by the ISI who did the F1 series for EA and the console version is developed by Tiburion, right? I admit that NT2004 has some elements to make things easier, such as the icon to follow the pace car, auto pitting etc. but they are all optional. I don't know much about the setups as I'm a driver and not a mechanic and prefer to download setups or use the ones the game comes with. I like the carreer mode of NT2004 too. Only thing missing for me is the save option during a race, which NR2003 doesn't have either. The actual driving experience feels as much to me a sim as NR2003 though. But then I've never drivin the real thing so it comes back to my original comment that it is a matter of taste. And I'll leave it at that.

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>"Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote > On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:00:00 -0400, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >It's a bad sim. > > No, it is not.

Yes it is. Just ask any real-life Winston Cup, Busch or Truck division driver. They all use NR2003 if they want to sim. Unless it's for endorsment$$$$$$. Of course what do they know more than you? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:01:24 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yes it is. Just ask any real-life Winston Cup, Busch or Truck division >driver. They all use NR2003 if they want to sim. Unless it's for >endorsment$$$$$$. Of course what do they know more than you? Yea, well, they know dick all about what makes a game fun, and NR2003 ain't it.

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>"Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote > On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:01:24 -0400, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Yes it is. Just ask any real-life Winston Cup, Busch or Truck division > >driver. They all use NR2003 if they want to sim. Unless it's for > >endorsment$$$$$$. Of course what do they know more than you? > > Yea, well, they know dick all about what makes a game fun, and NR2003 > ain't it.

If NR2003 wasn't fun, why would they be driving it whenever they can online during the week? Many of them pass entire nights racing online. Sorry, just admit that they know more then you (and me). NR2003 is a superior title, by far. Way far. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> > >Yes it is. Just ask any real-life Winston Cup, Busch or Truck division > > >driver. They all use NR2003 if they want to sim. Unless it's for > > >endorsment$$$$$$. Of course what do they know more than you? > > > > Yea, well, they know dick all about what makes a game fun, and NR2003 > > ain't it. > > > If NR2003 wasn't fun, why would they be driving it whenever they can

online > during the week? Many of them pass entire nights racing online. > > > Sorry, just admit that they know more then you (and me). NR2003 is a > superior title, by far. Way far. So true. NT2004's physics, FF engine etc. certainly feels much more complex and involving to drive than N2003's but that's where it ends. N2003 while not quite as advanced under the hood is -far- more polished and delivers a much more convincing and enjoyable all-round nascar experience.

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>>"Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote >> On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:01:24 -0400, "ymenard" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Yes it is. Just ask any real-life Winston Cup, Busch or Truck >> >division driver. They all use NR2003 if they want to sim. Unless >> >it's for endorsment$$$$$$. Of course what do they know more than >> >you? >> >> Yea, well, they know dick all about what makes a game fun, and NR2003 >> ain't it. > > > If NR2003 wasn't fun, why would they be driving it whenever they can > online during the week? Many of them pass entire nights racing > online. > > > Sorry, just admit that they know more then you (and me). NR2003 is a > superior title, by far. Way far.

Just to be a name dropper...on Thursday night's WindTunnel on Speed, they had Martin Truex Jr on the show. He runs Dale Earnhardt Jr's car in the Busch series. (#8) And he answered an email question saying both he and Dale Jr use the Papyrus, Sierra product Nascar Racing 2003 Season. According to him, it was the best one out there. So no internet rumours, no haphazard guessing. Nr2k3 was the choice. Of course what he didn't say was. that tg was the devil...eh WHAT? wrong topic!! Sorry that will never <tg spelled backwards is...> Whoops...meandering again. Dave Hen<stop evil, stop T***>rie

"Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:46:29 +1000, "Byron Forbes" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > If you're going to get a copy of Thunder then you might as well pickup > >a copy of Cart Precision Racing to go with it. > > > Bollocks. Yes, that would now make for a good 3 pack. On sale this week at EB - Uncle Jim's big 3 pack - Cart Precision Racing, Nascar Thunder 2004 and Bollocks.

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>>Yes it is. Just ask any real-life Winston Cup, Busch or Truck division >>driver. They all use NR2003 if they want to sim. Unless it's for >>endorsment$$$$$$. Of course what do they know more than you? > >Yea, well, they know dick all about what makes a game fun, and NR2003 >ain't it. >

Wait - are you saying that N2003 isn't fun? Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>Of course what he didn't say was. that tg was the devil...eh WHAT? wrong >topic!! >Sorry that will never <tg spelled backwards is...> Whoops...meandering >again. >Dave Hen<stop evil, stop T***>rie Dave, have you ever considered therapy...? :-) Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:02:56 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If NR2003 wasn't fun, why would they be driving it whenever they can online >during the week? Ah, now we get to the truth. They prefer it because NR2003 has much superior MP capabilities. But don't sit their and try to BS me and tell me the driving model is superior.

On 12 Apr 2004 16:20:26 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Wait - are you saying that N2003 isn't fun? > >Eldred I knew me saying the following would bring out the racing kooks. ;-) "I should have said this one is a matter of taste because I personally prefer EA's Nascar Thunder 2004 (PC version) but I knew that would get howls of derision here and N2003 by Papyrus is considered the best by most."

[email hidden] (cronik) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > I recently tried F1C but found it unplayable due to enormous steering > lag - you know I turn my wheel and a few seconds later the onscreen > wheel turns. You have to turn off all steering help or it will never seem right. Ditto for most of the other "driving aids", except for traction control, which I leave at the "low" setting. I found the same thing was true in GP4. Turn off all steering help and suddenly it was responsive and the FF actually works. Strange. YMMV. - Ted

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:49:15 -0700, Slug <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >OK, are you talking about the PC version or the console version? You >do know that the PC version is developed by the ISI who did the F1 >series for EA and the console version is developed by Tiburion, right? >I admit that NT2004 has some elements to make things easier, such as >the icon to follow the pace car, auto pitting etc. but they are all >optional. I don't know much about the setups as I'm a driver and not a >mechanic and prefer to download setups or use the ones the game comes >with. I like the carreer mode of NT2004 too. Only thing missing for me >is the save option during a race, which NR2003 doesn't have either. >The actual driving experience feels as much to me a sim as NR2003 >though. But then I've never drivin the real thing so it comes back to >my original comment that it is a matter of taste. And I'll leave it at >that.

I am talking about the PC version. I don't care who it is developed by or anything. The game is not a sim. It's that simple. I drive Late Model Stock at my local short track, and sorry to dissapoint you, but NT2004 not even close to physics, the physics of NT2004 are easy to drive, thus an arcade game, not a realistic sim. If you want realistic racing, you choose NR2003. 99% Of the people on this board will agree. I don't give a shit about a career mode...I don't like that. I wan't to race with my own designed setup, not one I downloaded off the internet, and frankly, the only time it is realistic is with NR2003. NT2004 is not a sim, and was never designed to be, if it was, why was it released on console? Because it is an arcade game, very simple, but hard for some to grasp.

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> [email hidden] (cronik) wrote in message > news:<[email hidden]>... > >> I recently tried F1C but found it unplayable due to enormous steering >> lag - you know I turn my wheel and a few seconds later the onscreen >> wheel turns. > > You have to turn off all steering help or it will never seem right. > Ditto for most of the other "driving aids", except for traction > control, which I leave at the "low" setting. > > I found the same thing was true in GP4. Turn off all steering help > and suddenly it was responsive and the FF actually works. Strange. > > YMMV. > > - Ted

I've got to find time to dig into gp4 more. Certainly the steering is highly configurable so perhaps I can find info about setting up a logitech FF wheel. Driving the CART mod felt very strange...of course a-lot of that might have been my unfamiliarity<sp?> with GP4. The cars looked great..but I don't have enough time to find out if it's gp4 or the mod that is wonky. dave henrie

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>On 12 Apr 2004 16:20:26 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >>Wait - are you saying that N2003 isn't fun? >> >>Eldred > >I knew me saying the following would bring out the racing kooks. ;-) >

Are you calling me a racing kook? All I did was ask a fucking question... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

If it's an arcade game then why does it use such a complex physics engine? I'd descibe it as a half-baked sim personally. My definition of an arcade game is along the lines of 'Daytona USA'

EldredP wrote: >>>Wait - are you saying that N2003 isn't fun? >> >>I knew me saying the following would bring out the racing kooks. ;-) > Are you calling me a racing kook? All I did was ask a fucking question... Language, Eldred <Slaps E. with trouts on both ears simultaneously> He DID use a smiley you know... ;) Regards, Rudy

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:35:25 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> wrote: >99% Of the people on this board >will agree Or alternately, every single person who has driven a Winston Cup stock car, or does so currently as their profession. Jason

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:47:32 -0500, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > Just to be a name dropper...on Thursday night's WindTunnel on Speed, >they had Martin Truex Jr on the show. He runs Dale Earnhardt Jr's car in >the Busch series. (#8) And he answered an email question saying both he >and Dale Jr use the Papyrus, Sierra product Nascar Racing 2003 Season. >According to him, it was the best one out there. If you watch the DMP (or is it FLM? I forget) truck broadcasts, you'll see Truex and Earnhardt racing all the time, as well as a few other drivers who pop in once in awhile (Kevin Lepage was in a race recently). And yeah, this happens on Sierra. Anyone with a copy of NRTV or who is familiar with the DMP website/forum can watch them race. Jason

On 13 Apr 2004 01:11:42 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Are you calling me a racing kook? All I did was ask a fucking question... I think the term "racing kook" pretty much invalidates any point he had to make in this thread. Not this his utter ignorance regarding the topic being discussed didn't accomplish that already. BTW, Eldred, gotten that Ensoniq Mirage working yet? I'm thinking about picking up a rack-mounted one since it's a fairly unique piece of gear and was wondering if you might know of any decent user websites I could check out. Jason

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:20:56 -0500, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: >I tracked that down just to try the cart mod that was available. You think >that is a good product? I admit, I'm waaaay used to other titles, , but >man, it just seems not sorted. The braking is mucho stronger than >F1c...that is probably an area they got right. Steering seems to be very >severe at slow speeds...not unstable severe, just turnin, turnin, turnin, >go 85degreesswoosh... My take on GP4: - Great graphics. - Decent physics (not great, but I'm more convinced by the low-speed and lateral grip and the way the car deals with off track excursions and car-to-car collisions and so forth than the ISI F1 series, which I view as generally superior in other respects) - The best tracks in any F1 sim - The most horribly antiquated game engine ever (Processor Occupancy? Puhleaze...) - I guess this is a symptom of the last point, but the most horrible controller configuration ever seen in a racing title. I've had the sim since it came out and I'm still not 100% confident I have my wheel setup correctly. Scarily, I've seen photos of F1 drivers using it to practice (including Burti in a Ferrari sim-cockpit in the garage at Fiorano). Jason

[email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote in news:407b72d6.182964281 @news.telerama.com: > Scarily, I've seen photos of F1 drivers using it to practice > (including Burti in a Ferrari sim-cockpit in the garage at Fiorano). > > Jason Well that settles it then eh? How well has Burti done ? :) dave henrie

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:01:25 -0500, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > Well that settles it then eh? How well has Burti done ? :) Test driver for a team about to win their 6th straight constructor's crown isn't a bad gig. :) Jason

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Slug > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >On 12 Apr 2004 16:20:26 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > > > >>Wait - are you saying that N2003 isn't fun? > >> > >>Eldred > > > >I knew me saying the following would bring out the racing kooks. ;-) > > > > Are you calling me a racing kook? All I did was ask a fucking question... > > Eldred

Put it back in your pants slug.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:35:25 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I am talking about the PC version. I don't care who it is developed >by or anything. The game is not a sim. It's that simple. I drive >Late Model Stock at my local short track, and sorry to dissapoint >you, but NT2004 not even close to physics, the physics of NT2004 are >easy to drive, thus an arcade game, not a realistic sim. If you want >realistic racing, you choose NR2003. 99% Of the people on this board >will agree. I don't give a shit about a career mode...I don't like >that. I wan't to race with my own designed setup, not one I >downloaded off the internet, and frankly, the only time it is >realistic is with NR2003. NT2004 is not a sim, and was never designed >to be, if it was, why was it released on console? Because it is an >arcade game, very simple, but hard for some to grasp.

Nah, it's just hard for some people to accepty that ISI can do some things better than Papyrus. Get used to it.

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:11:15 +1000, "Damien Evans" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If it's an arcade game then why does it use such a complex physics engine? >I'd descibe it as a half-baked sim personally. My definition of an arcade >game is along the lines of 'Daytona USA' > Because he is talking out of his arse. I've already conceded that NR2003 is a better overall sim but I'm not going to let these Papy weenies BS me and tell me NT2004 is an arcade game. I predicted in my post that some people would react this way. This group is very predictable.

On 13 Apr 2004 01:11:42 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Are you calling me a racing kook? All I did was ask a fucking question... > >Eldred Did you not see the winky? Or are you just looking for trouble, huh, punk? ;-)

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:54:09 GMT, [email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote: >Not this his utter ignorance regarding the topic being discussed >didn't accomplish that already. You fucking racing kook! Get a life!

"Dash Ryp Rock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > IHO, which is the best sim around. meaning which one is the easiest to > use that gives you the most entertainment? > TIA There is no best. Several current and not so current sims have their merits. Currently I have three on my computer: Papyrus's Nascar 2003: hands down the best driving feel for me. I can really tell what the car is doing and even if I were to stick with the lumbering Nascar stockers, it's still great fun to throw them around the road courses. It's GPL, but with grip... and I have a weird timing bug on my notebook which prevents me getting GPL to run properly without going into slow motion. Live for Speed: great value for the buck. The tracks, while not real-world, are really nice looking, and there is an interesting assortment of FWD, RWD and AWD cars. The physics model rates up there with the Papyrus model in terms of the feedback coming through the controller. The only thing that spoils it for me is the frame rate dip with lots of cars on the screen. Rally Trophy: a bit of an oddball which not many consider a true sim, but I love exactly the cars modelled here (Lancia Fulvia etc.), I like my rally action to take place at a bit less than warp speed, the physics model is acceptable, the graphics are (I think) great and it's just a lot of fun. If you want "easy to use" and "entertaining", I don't think you could go wrong scouring the bargain bins for this one, add some new cars, patch it and go driving. After a long pause I reloaded it on the weekend and blew away 4 hours and was grinning the whole time. Stephen

On 13 Apr 2004 00:21:45 -0700, [email hidden] (cronik) wrote: >Put it back in your pants slug. Take it to the track.

On 9 Apr 2004 16:39:26 -0700, [email hidden] (Dash Ryp Rock) wrote: >IHO, which is the best sim around. meaning which one is the easiest to >use that gives you the most entertainment? Only 2 sims currently installed on my PC: Nascar Racing 2003 by Papyrus Mobil 1 Rally Championship by Magnetic Fields The first is apparently getting long in the tooth to some people, but it remains the finest automotive simulation available for the home computer. The second is simply balls-out fun until Richard Burns Rally comes out this summer. Jason

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> I've got to find time to dig into gp4 more. Certainly the steering is > highly configurable so perhaps I can find info about setting up a logitech > FF wheel. Driving the CART mod felt very strange...of course a-lot of that > might have been my unfamiliarity<sp?> with GP4. The cars looked great..but > I don't have enough time to find out if it's gp4 or the mod that is wonky. > > dave henrie

I did two things that made GP4 infinitely more playable for me: 1) Tweaked the f1graphics.cfg file. Told GP4 to ignore its internal graphics config (which I think is controlled by the first line in the .cfg file) and to turn on hardware T/L (towards the top of the file...can't remember the exact line, but it's easy to find). Also turned off the video walls. Wow....much better frame rate! 2) Turn off all steering help. Makes the FF much better. Still not as good as F1C for me, but night and day difference in game play. Now I can actually get a rhythm going on a track like Imola. I also use GPxPatch and GP4Tweaker to turn off that stupid black flag rule! http://gp4tweaker.vadertrophy.com/cms/ Haven't played the new release of the CART mod. I downloaded and installed, but was had some trouble with the tracks. I intend to get back to it "when I have some time". (HAH!)

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> > Just to be a name dropper...on Thursday night's WindTunnel on Speed, > they had Martin Truex Jr on the show. He runs Dale Earnhardt Jr's car in > the Busch series. (#8) And he answered an email question saying both he > and Dale Jr use the Papyrus, Sierra product Nascar Racing 2003 Season. > According to him, it was the best one out there. > So no internet rumours, no haphazard guessing. Nr2k3 was the choice. > Of course what he didn't say was. that tg was the devil...eh WHAT? wrong > topic!! > Sorry that will never <tg spelled backwards is...> Whoops...meandering > again. > Dave Hen<stop evil, stop T***>rie

Along the lines of that, didn't Junebug state online that the trucks (PWF CTS) feel more like his cup car than the cup cars do in the sim? Hm. Say that last part fast ten times. :) -Will

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>My take on GP4: > >- I guess this is a symptom of the last point, but the most horrible >controller configuration ever seen in a racing title. I've had the >sim since it came out and I'm still not 100% confident I have my wheel >setup correctly.

For me, that honor would go to M-B Truck Racing. I never *was* able to get that game to work with my wheel and pedal set. That pissed me off, because I bought it on the strength of the demo(which worked FINE). Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

> >> Well that settles it then eh? How well has Burti done ? :) > >Test driver for a team about to win their 6th straight constructor's >crown isn't a bad gig. :) > Hell, I'd even enjoy the gig as test driver for *Minardi*... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>BTW, Eldred, gotten that Ensoniq Mirage working yet? I'm thinking >about picking up a rack-mounted one since it's a fairly unique piece >of gear and was wondering if you might know of any decent user >websites I could check out. No... I couldn't remember what the original problam was(it's been in pieces on my workbench for months). I put it back together last weekend to see...no power. I don't know enough about electronics to know why, or how to fix it. Crap. Eldred p.s. I missed a rackmount on ebay a few months ago because I wasn't home yet when the auction ended. I think it went for less than $50. And, it was local, so I wouldn't have had to pay shipping. Grrr... -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

> >Language, Eldred <Slaps E. with trouts on both ears simultaneously> > >He DID use a smiley you know... ;) The term "racing kook" as he used it seemed to be an insult. The use of a smiley didn't preclude that. Hey, if I was to call him <insult deleted> to troll this newsgroup in a long time, but put a smiley after it, that wouldn't make any nicer of a sentiment. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

Your wasting your breath Slug. I went through this a few months ago. And I also agreed NR2003 is better than NT2004 to this point. Wasn't too many years ago quite a few of the regular RAS posters said how bad GPL was.... Mitch "Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:11:15 +1000, "Damien Evans" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > Because he is talking out of his arse. I've already conceded that > NR2003 is a better overall sim but I'm not going to let these Papy > weenies BS me and tell me NT2004 is an arcade game. I predicted in my > post that some people would react this way. This group is very > predictable.

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>Your wasting your breath Slug. I went through this a few months ago. And I >also agreed NR2003 is better than NT2004 to this point. > >Wasn't too many years ago quite a few of the regular RAS posters said how >bad GPL was.... > >Mitch

No biggy, we'll see if they eventually come around to EA/ISI Nascar series like they did with their F1 series. I predict they will but it will take a few refinements from ISI, just like the F1 series did. Ymenard will hate it no matter what they do so we can ignore his opinion off the bat. ;-)

On 13 Apr 2004 16:48:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >The term "racing kook" as he used it seemed to be an insult. What else do you call someone that lives and breaths car racing simulations? I call 'em as I see 'em.

Slug <[email hidden]> wrote in news:scao701a3rv7pqf8kkuh4ua9383nigtfo3@ 4ax.com: >>The term "racing kook" as he used it seemed to be an insult. > > What else do you call someone that lives and breaths car racing > simulations? I call 'em as I see 'em. > Well then I'm a "SIM" racing kook, and a real racing kook and I wear those badges proudly. I guess that would mean I am also a Hooters Kook. dave henrie

[email hidden] (Ted D.) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > 2) Turn off all steering help. Makes the FF much better. Still not > as good as F1C for me, but night and day difference in game play. Now > I can actually get a rhythm going on a track like Imola. > I figured that out last night..It DOES make a world of difference. Especially the increase with speed slider. I zeroed that out from 100% and got a much better feel. I went from 1:45's at Malay to 1:39's in one 18 lap session.(Cart 2002 mod) I haven't looked for config file tweeks. I guess that is another night of tinkering. dh

Your statement sums it up for me Jason. NR2003 just feels like Ive been there done that. Im anxious for something new which makes it sound like Im bashing NR2003 although I agree its the best. Im so looking forward to GTR and I hope its as good as Im anticipating it will be. It's just been too darn long between good titles anymore. Mitch "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > The first is apparently getting long in the tooth to some people, but > it remains the finest automotive simulation available for the home > computer. > > > Jason

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> On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:49:15 -0700, Slug <[email hidden]> wrote: > I am talking about the PC version. I don't care who it is developed > by or anything. The game is not a sim. It's that simple. I drive > Late Model Stock at my local short track, and sorry to dissapoint > you, but NT2004 not even close to physics, the physics of NT2004 are > easy to drive, thus an arcade game, not a realistic sim. If you want > realistic racing, you choose NR2003. 99% Of the people on this board > will agree.

N2003's physics aren't that difficult to drive IMO. On many tracks, it's easy as hell to drive. Dale Earnhardt J. said on his web site that the truck physics in N2003 were more like what the Cup cars feel like, so I'm not sure how realistic Cup racing is in N2003. There is a big difference in how those two series feel in the game. David G Fisher

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> On 9 Apr 2004 16:39:26 -0700, [email hidden] (Dash Ryp > Rock) wrote: > > >IHO, which is the best sim around. meaning which one is the easiest to > >use that gives you the most entertainment? > > Only 2 sims currently installed on my PC: > > Nascar Racing 2003 by Papyrus > Mobil 1 Rally Championship by Magnetic Fields > > The first is apparently getting long in the tooth to some people, but > it remains the finest automotive simulation available for the home > computer. > > The second is simply balls-out fun until Richard Burns Rally comes out > this summer. > > Jason

Ahh, memories. I got all kinds of hell during development, and after the release of RC. I made the mistake of praising RC (a title other than GPL was all it took) in beta reports to ras. David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" wrote: > (a title other than GPL was all it took) I'm looking for a volunteer for a mission into No Man's Land, Code name: Operation Certain Death David? :)

>"Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote > Ah, now we get to the truth. They prefer it because NR2003 has much > superior MP capabilities. But don't sit their and try to BS me and > tell me the driving model is superior. No, they prefer multiplayer because basically, no sim ever has even gone close to the "realism" of driving against a human being. NR, NT, GPL, whatever. Some of them even test their own setups. That's how good the physics are. Look, the driving model is far superior, but it's not flawless. All those real-life Nascar drivers approve. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote > Because he is talking out of his arse. I've already conceded that > NR2003 is a better overall sim but I'm not going to let these Papy > weenies BS me and tell me NT2004 is an arcade game. I predicted in my > post that some people would react this way. This group is very > predictable. Man stop being tick. We aren't saying NT2004 is an arcade game, we're just saying it's a bad simulator! ;-D -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:25:47 -0700, Slug <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Nah, it's just hard for some people to accepty that ISI can do some >things better than Papyrus. Get used to it. Bullshit...NT2004 has nothing better than NR2003...Name me one, except it is easier for someone to drive who doesn't like to make their own setups...sort of like you. There is nothing more that NT2004 offers that NR2003 doesn't, except maybe fender flares and a career season. Who really cares about that? Most true simmers don't. Once again, I have driven late model stock for years, and SCCA road course cars, don't even think of telling me that NT2004 is more realistic, because the cold hard truth is that it isn't. But, I might as well beat my head against the wall, because it would obviously be softer than your damn head.

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:54:52 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> wrote: >Bullshit...NT2004 has nothing better than NR2003...Name me one, except >it is easier for someone to drive who doesn't like to make their own >setups...sort of like you. There is nothing more that NT2004 offers >that NR2003 doesn't I am not a hardcore sim head but I play NR2003 and tried the NT2004 demo, and I thought NT2004 was better for playing against AI opponents (I don't play online). NR2003's AI cars seem to want to actively make you spin off the track, whereas NT2004 seems to get on with a fair race. I also thought NT2004 was better sonically. -- Andrew. To email unscramble [email hidden] & remove spamtrap. Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim messages to quote only relevent text. Check groups.google.com before asking a question.

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>On 13 Apr 2004 16:48:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >>The term "racing kook" as he used it seemed to be an insult. > >What else do you call someone that lives and breaths car racing >simulations? I call 'em as I see 'em.

Sure, people like car racing simulations. Is that a bad thing? If so, why? So why not call them racing *fans*? And I would guess that everyone here is a racing sim fan, including yourself. Well, except for the trolls. You're just being purposefully antagonistic, similar to said troll. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

On 13 Apr 2004 23:06:25 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Sure, people like car racing simulations. Is that a bad thing? If so, why? >So why not call them racing *fans*? Since when did this group become so PC? It's like calling someone a "hockey nut", there is no malice meant in it. You just want to make an issue out of it because you feel like being pissy towards me. Me no care. >And I would guess that everyone here is a >racing sim fan, including yourself. Well, except for the trolls. You're just >being purposefully antagonistic, similar to said troll. It didn't start out that way, but you lot make it too easy not to.

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> Your statement sums it up for me Jason. NR2003 just feels like Ive been > there done that. Im anxious for something new which makes it sound like Im > bashing NR2003 although I agree its the best. Im so looking forward to GTR > and I hope its as good as Im anticipating it will be. It's just been too > darn long between good titles anymore. > > Mitch

Thank goodness for MODs! Ted

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>On 13 Apr 2004 23:06:25 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >>Sure, people like car racing simulations. Is that a bad thing? If so, why? >>So why not call them racing *fans*? > >Since when did this group become so PC? It's like calling someone a >"hockey nut", there is no malice meant in it. You just want to make an >issue out of it because you feel like being pissy towards me. Me no >care. > >>And I would guess that everyone here is a >>racing sim fan, including yourself. Well, except for the trolls. You're just >>being purposefully antagonistic, similar to said troll. > >It didn't start out that way, but you lot make it too easy not to.

The fact is Slug...your username is perfect, and if you really thing NT2004 is a "Sim" then your head is up your butt to far for daylight. I am done beating my head against the wall that is obviously softer than your console loving head.

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:23:53 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> wrote: >The fact is Slug...your username is perfect, and if you really thing >NT2004 is a "Sim" then your head is up your butt to far for daylight. >I am done beating my head against the wall that is obviously softer >than your console loving head. Oh well, you can't help it if you are soft in the head. I don't like to pick on the weak so will let you off the hook.

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:28:27 -0700, Slug <[email hidden]> wrote: >Oh well, you can't help it if you are soft in the head. I don't like >to pick on the weak so will let you off the hook. You are the weak one stupid. Duh.. You even admitted you can't play NT2004 without downloading setups, then you are either weak, stupid, or just don't belong in this group.

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>On 13 Apr 2004 23:06:25 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >>Sure, people like car racing simulations. Is that a bad thing? If so, why? > >>So why not call them racing *fans*? > >Since when did this group become so PC? It's like calling someone a >"hockey nut", there is no malice meant in it. You just want to make an >issue out of it because you feel like being pissy towards me. Me no >care. >

Hey, *you're* the one that responded to a post of mine and made the comment about racing kooks. I don't see how you could expect that comment, in that context, would *not* be taken as an insult. I didn't think that was a cool thing to do, and let you know about it. But if you don't care, then there's no rational discussion that can take place with you.

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>>And I would guess that everyone here is a >>racing sim fan, including yourself. Well, except for the trolls. You're >just >>being purposefully antagonistic, similar to said troll. > >It didn't start out that way, but you lot make it too easy not to. >

<yawn> Whatever... I see what kind of mentality we're dealing with here. If you just want to argue for the sake of arguing, go right ahead... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

EldredP wrote: >>BTW, Eldred, gotten that Ensoniq Mirage working yet? >I don't know enough about electronics to know why, or how to fix it. Ensoniq Mirage? Just buy an old Apple IIGS and download a nice music program Eldred, it's basically the same sound hardware, same chip, same design if I remember correctly - great sound for its time BTW :) Regards, Rudy

David G Fisher wrote: > N2003's physics aren't that difficult to drive IMO. On many tracks, it's > easy as hell to drive. Hm, coincidentally I wondered about that too.. Happened to try the NR2k3 demo for my OS X Mac a few days ago and immediately noticed the cars were a lot easier to get round the track than those in N4. At least the Easy setups seem a lot more Easy! (Haven't tried it with a wheel yet but I guess using a keyboard isn't exactly making things more comfortable to handle..) Regards, Rudy ---------- GPLRank: -22

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:54:52 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> wrote: >There is nothing more that NT2004 offers >that NR2003 doesn't, except maybe fender flares and a career season. >Who really cares about that? Most true simmers don't. I'd care about a career mode if it didn't suck complete and total ass. Jason

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:48:36 +0200, Ruud Dingemans <[email hidden]> wrote: >Ensoniq Mirage? Just buy an old Apple IIGS and download a nice music >program Eldred, it's basically the same sound hardware, same chip, same >design if I remember correctly - great sound for its time BTW :) The IIgs sound chip did onboard sampling and had analog filters? Not that I'd be surprised (look at how awesome the Sid can be) but that seems a bit off from my memory. Jason

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:21:33 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Your statement sums it up for me Jason. NR2003 just feels like Ive been >there done that. Im anxious for something new which makes it sound like Im >bashing NR2003 although I agree its the best. Im so looking forward to GTR >and I hope its as good as Im anticipating it will be. It's just been too >darn long between good titles anymore. GTR Richard Burns Rally I'm 99% certain GTR will rock, and 100% certain RBR will at least be the best rally sim ever (I can't say for sure how good it will be, but it has a more impressive feature-list than Mobil 1 =). The onboard GTR video done at Anderstorp is awesome, as is the Spa one (granted the latter is in arcade mode). Seeing properly modelled tracks in an ISI engine is really nice, I hope the F1-used ones are at least partly backwards compatible with F1C. Jason

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:26:32 -0400, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Ahh, memories. I got all kinds of hell during development, and after the >release of RC. I made the mistake of praising RC (a title other than GPL was >all it took) in beta reports to ras. The physics are a bit shoddy (I'd put it somewhere around GP3 and 4, i.e. primitive but with convincing car characteristics) but the experience of driving a rally in that sim is unlike anything else that's been released. And GPL... I dunno, I love it, I reinstall it and do a few laps from time to time, but the sound/graphics engine is horribly antiquated and the physics were vastly superceded by N2003 (well, and N2002). I wish to hell Papy would make a new open wheel sim, because the thought of a GPL car that doesn't feel like it has 5,000lbs springs and wooden tires is so appealing. Jason

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:00:49 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> wrote: >You are the weak one stupid. Duh.. You even admitted you can't play >NT2004 without downloading setups, then you are either weak, stupid, >or just don't belong in this group. Hahaha, you are too stupid to know when you are being played with. I've never downloaded any setup for NT2004.

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>OK, are you talking about the PC version or the console version? You >do know that the PC version is developed by the ISI who did the F1 >series for EA and the console version is developed by Tiburion, right? >I admit that NT2004 has some elements to make things easier, such as >the icon to follow the pace car, auto pitting etc. but they are all >optional. I don't know much about the setups as I'm a driver and not a >mechanic and prefer to download setups or use the ones the game comes >with. I like the carreer mode of NT2004 too. Only thing missing for me >is the save option during a race, which NR2003 doesn't have either. >The actual driving experience feels as much to me a sim as NR2003 >though. But then I've never drivin the real thing so it comes back to >my original comment that it is a matter of taste. And I'll leave it at >that.

Hey Slug, remember that post in this thread? You admitted then you downloaded setups. In other words: Shut up Bitch, you been proved an idiot.

In article <c5i8n0$fge$[email hidden]>, Ruud Dingemans <[email hidden]> writes: > >Ensoniq Mirage? Just buy an old Apple IIGS and download a nice music >program Eldred, it's basically the same sound hardware, same chip, same >design if I remember correctly - great sound for its time BTW :) Yeah, but then I couldn't use it im my MIDI setup...<g> I don't think it would be that easy anyway, but nice idea. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

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>On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:54:52 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>There is nothing more that NT2004 offers >>that NR2003 doesn't, except maybe fender flares and a career season. >>Who really cares about that? Most true simmers don't. > >I'd care about a career mode if it didn't suck complete and total ass.

Is the career mode in NT2004 that bad? I picked up a copy for $20, but I haven't had time to install it yet. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:49:21 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hey Slug, remember that post in this thread? You admitted then you >downloaded setups. In other words: Shut up Bitch, you been proved an >idiot. I said I prefer to download setups but in fact I have never downloaded one for NT2004. How I play the game is my business, wich game I prefer is my business too. The only idiot here are people that measure their manhood by how hardocre a game is. We are talking a *game* you moron, play what you like and STFU.

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> > "David G Fisher" wrote: > > > (a title other than GPL was all it took) > > I'm looking for a volunteer for a mission into No Man's Land, Code name: > Operation Certain Death > > David? > > :)

I miss the old days. Things were much more exciting around here. :-) BTW, I saw what you said about me over at rasf1 a few weeks ago. :-o David G Fisher

On 15 Apr 2004 01:32:34 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Is the career mode in NT2004 that bad? It's worse than NT2003/2004 for the xbox/ps2, and those don't really redefine depth in management simulations. Simplicity aside, the play balancing is ridiculous in career mode. I can't help but think no one tested the game at any point during its development. Jason

"Slug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:49:21 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > We are talking a *game* you moron, > play what you like and STFU. In your message subject, you did ask for opinions on the best *sim* didn't you? Some like to play *sims*, while others prefer to play *games*. There is a difference.

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> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:49:21 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > >Hey Slug, remember that post in this thread? You admitted then you > >downloaded setups. In other words: Shut up Bitch, you been proved an > >idiot. > > I said I prefer to download setups but in fact I have never downloaded > one for NT2004. How I play the game is my business, wich game I prefer > is my business too. The only idiot here are people that measure their > manhood by how hardocre a game is. We are talking a *game* you moron, > play what you like and STFU.

Put it back in your pants.

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>If you watch the DMP (or is it FLM? I forget) truck broadcasts, >you'll see Truex and Earnhardt racing all the time, as well as a few >other drivers who pop in once in awhile (Kevin Lepage was in a race >recently). > >And yeah, this happens on Sierra. Anyone with a copy of NRTV or who >is familiar with the DMP website/forum can watch them race.

Add David Reutimann and Carl Edwards to the list: http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/headlines/truck/04/15/mville_preview/index.html Jason

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> > > (a title other than GPL was all it took) > > > > I'm looking for a volunteer for a mission into No Man's Land, Code name: > > Operation Certain Death > > > > David? > I miss the old days. Things were much more exciting around here. :-)

Too true David > BTW, I saw what you said about me over at rasf1 a few weeks ago. :-o Well I can't explain Ralf's performances any other way, he is probably lurking here too :) rasf1 is a real "nomex" experience though isn't it? Cheers Tony

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>On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:49:21 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> >wrote: > > >>Hey Slug, remember that post in this thread? You admitted then you >>downloaded setups. In other words: Shut up Bitch, you been proved an >>idiot. > >I said I prefer to download setups but in fact I have never downloaded >one for NT2004. How I play the game is my business, wich game I prefer >is my business too. The only idiot here are people that measure their >manhood by how hardocre a game is. We are talking a *game* you moron, >play what you like and STFU.

Hey slug, how does the kill file feel, Warm and Cozy, you've been proved wrong, lick your wounds and admit it. If you wan't to talk about what a great game NT2004 is, go to an arcade group, I don't have time for someone of your lack of intellectual abilities to post to me. You were caught lying, and then tried to make up another excuse, maybe you should run for president.

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 03:55:20 GMT, "gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >In your message subject, you did ask for opinions on the best *sim* didn't you? >Some like to play *sims*, while others prefer to play *games*. >There is a difference. > I'm not the OP. Learn to read before you post.

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:40:03 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hey slug, how does the kill file feel, Warm and Cozy, you've been >proved wrong, lick your wounds and admit it. If you wan't to talk >about what a great game NT2004 is, go to an arcade group, I don't have >time for someone of your lack of intellectual abilities to post to me. >You were caught lying, and then tried to make up another excuse, >maybe you should run for president. Yea, you sound *real* intellectual Rusty. Racing gamers are fairly low on the intellectualism scale of game genres so STFU you redneck dork.

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> On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:40:03 -0400, Rusty Unger <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > >Hey slug, how does the kill file feel, Warm and Cozy, you've been > >proved wrong, lick your wounds and admit it. If you wan't to talk > >about what a great game NT2004 is, go to an arcade group, I don't have > >time for someone of your lack of intellectual abilities to post to me. > >You were caught lying, and then tried to make up another excuse, > >maybe you should run for president. > > Yea, you sound *real* intellectual Rusty. Racing gamers are fairly low > on the intellectualism scale of game genres so STFU you redneck dork.

Put it back in your pants.