N2 3dfx news

I read this info at http://www.3dfx-brotherhood.com/ "There have been some unforeseen issues do to the number of textures in NASCAR and the limited texture memory on most 3Dfx based cards. Right now there is no official release date for the project. There will be a press release when the final date is solidified."

This is the same lame excuse that Sierra made about Red Baron2.....oh well...more coasters. Nascar2 and Grand National....CD's make great coasters.... PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...

So are you saying that you refuse to play NASCAR 2 because it doesnt have 3dfx support? LAME!!! Though I will admit 3dfx support would be cool, cant wait to see GPL in 3dfx Brian Short > This is the same lame excuse that Sierra made about Red Baron2.....oh > well...more coasters. Nascar2 and Grand National....CD's make great > coasters.... > PAPA DOC

Why don't they release a version now and just have a Pure 3D(or other 6mb board) as a minimum. I am sure that 4mb texture would be enough. Then they can release another patch later for the other Voodoo cards. Jason Peterson >I read this info at http://www.3dfx-brotherhood.com/ in the news section. >"There have been some unforeseen issues do to the number of textures >in NASCAR and the limited texture memory on most 3Dfx based cards. Right now >there is no official release date for the project. There will be a press >release when the final date is solidified."

> Why don't they release a version now and just have a Pure 3D(or other >6mb board) as a minimum. I am sure that 4mb texture would be enough. Then >they can release another patch later for the other Voodoo cards. >Jason Peterson Ya thats great, so when they do that and anyone owning a Monster3D(wich is a large number of people) get left out in the cold for a few more months. Sounds like a great idea. Jer My E-Mail address here is incorect to ward off unwanted E-Mail My correct E-Mail Address is: taziarj AT globalserve DOT net

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>> Why don't they release a version now and just have a Pure 3D(or other >>6mb board) as a minimum. I am sure that 4mb texture would be enough. Then >>they can release another patch later for the other Voodoo cards. >>Jason Peterson > Ya thats great, so when they do that and anyone owning a Monster3D(wich >is a large number of people) get left out in the cold for a few more months. >Sounds like a great idea. >Jer >My E-Mail address here is incorect to ward off unwanted E-Mail >My correct E-Mail Address is: taziarj AT globalserve DOT net

Jeezus, either way you're going to be left out in the cold. Why be so selfish? Z.

> Why don't they release a version now and just have a Pure 3D(or other > 6mb board) as a minimum. I am sure that 4mb texture would be enough. Then > they can release another patch later for the other Voodoo cards. > Jason Peterson If they didn't increase the amount of textures it should work on Voodoo like it does on my Rendition, shouldn't it?? 2MB are 2MB, on both boards... l8er ronny -- |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Sorry for the technical nature of this reply :). Nope! The 3dfx chipset and the Rendition chipset utilize their onboard memory in different ways...3dfx dedicates 2 megs for frame buffer and 2 megs for textures(on 1st gen boards) and the Rendition...does it differently :) dave henrie

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> > Why don't they release a version now and just have a Pure 3D(or other > > 6mb board) as a minimum. I am sure that 4mb texture would be enough. Then > > they can release another patch later for the other Voodoo cards. > > Jason Peterson > If they didn't increase the amount of textures it should work on Voodoo > like > it does on my Rendition, shouldn't it?? 2MB are 2MB, on both boards... > l8er > ronny > -- > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

That was my guess, but I was hoping for an explanation. You didn't deliver! ;^) I don't think the Rendition uses main memory for textures, so where does it hide the additional textures...??? 8^0 l8er ronny > Sorry for the technical nature of this reply :). > Nope! The 3dfx chipset and the Rendition chipset utilize their onboard > memory in different ways...3dfx dedicates 2 megs for frame buffer and 2 megs for > textures(on 1st gen boards) and the Rendition...does it differently :) > dave henrie -- |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Arent enough hours in the day to play sims that arent 100%.....Nascar2 is good...but it isnt good enough for me. Given a choice between playing F1RS and Nascar....ummm can you say EAU ROUGE...now if Nascar would be Voodoo enabled then it might be alot more fun to run on my 166. On another note...I dont believe Sierra...sorry but their credibility with me after the excuses given with Red Baron2 is nil. And these excuses revolved around the Voodoo patch or lack thereof. PAPA DOC

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>So are you saying that you refuse to play NASCAR 2 because it doesnt have 3dfx >support? LAME!!! >Though I will admit 3dfx support would be cool, cant wait to see GPL in 3dfx >Brian Short >> This is the same lame excuse that Sierra made about Red Baron2.....oh >> well...more coasters. Nascar2 and Grand National....CD's make great >> coasters.... >> PAPA DOC

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...

The 3dfx TEN enabler is scheduled for release on 3/5/98. The offline version should be ready either at the same time or shortly afterwards. Okay - NOW you shoud go out and order your 12mb voodoo2 cards...

GPL and N3 will support multiple resolutions, but the 3Dfx port of N2 will just be 640x480. -- Eric T. Busch >Will Nascar2 support the ful resolution options of Voodoo2, 800x600 >and SLI'd 1024x768? THAT would be cool, and probably WOULD get me to >run out and get a couple Voodoo2s.

dude you need to speed up your computer or something, i have a P-133, and I am getting decent framerate

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>Arent enough hours in the day to play sims that arent 100%.....Nascar2 >is good...but it isnt good enough for me. Given a choice between >playing F1RS and Nascar....ummm can you say EAU ROUGE...now if Nascar >would be Voodoo enabled then it might be alot more fun to run on my >166. >On another note...I dont believe Sierra...sorry but their credibility >with me after the excuses given with Red Baron2 is nil. And these >excuses revolved around the Voodoo patch or lack thereof. >PAPA DOC >>So are you saying that you refuse to play NASCAR 2 because it doesnt have

3dfx >>support? LAME!!! >>Though I will admit 3dfx support would be cool, cant wait to see GPL in 3dfx

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>>Brian Short >>> This is the same lame excuse that Sierra made about Red Baron2.....oh >>> well...more coasters. Nascar2 and Grand National....CD's make great >>> coasters.... >>> PAPA DOC >Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand >Infamous >Pink Flamingo Pilot...

Thanks for the info....makes me wonder if I havent been incorrect all along. Maybe the reason y'all held back was making sure it would run on the "backward compatible" Voodoo 2....good idea. No need to join some of the other developers running around trying to figure out whats broke. Well again thanks for the info....I cant wait....Nascar 2 and the GN pak should rock. PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...<G>

>The 3dfx TEN enabler is scheduled for release on 3/5/98. The offline >version should be ready either at the same time or shortly afterwards. That's great news, did that come from someone at Papyrus? (Or are you a Papyrus employee?) Will Nascar2 support the ful resolution options of Voodoo2, 800x600 and SLI'd 1024x768? THAT would be cool, and probably WOULD get me to run out and get a couple Voodoo2s. Joe

OK, that's more what I expected. I'll be happy just to play N2 on my 3Dfx. I can wait a couple months to get my Voodoo2s anyway, as it sounds like the price will be dropping a bunch (STB just announced 8/12MB v2 boards at $199/$249). Though when GPL comes around, with 1024x768 resolution on 2 SLI'd Voodoo2s possible, it'll be hard to resist at any price! Joe

Excuse what may be a stupid question, but are you referring to 5th. March or 3rd. May? -- Bruce (At home)

Hmmm, I guess he's located in the States, so it should be March 5. (Damn, I really hope it's March 5 ;^) ) OTOH, is this really the 3Dfx N2 patch or did I missunderstand this post? l8er ronny

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> Excuse what may be a stupid question, but are you referring to 5th. March > or 3rd. May? > -- > Bruce > (At home) > > The 3dfx TEN enabler is scheduled for release on 3/5/98. The offline > > version should be ready either at the same time or shortly afterwards. > > Okay - NOW you shoud go out and order your 12mb voodoo2 cards...

-- |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

says... >>The 3dfx TEN enabler is scheduled for release on 3/5/98. The offline >>version should be ready either at the same time or shortly afterwards. >That's great news, did that come from someone at Papyrus? (Or are you >a Papyrus employee?) It was announced by TEN on their newsgroup. No, I'm not a papy employee - just another user with his ear glues to the ground listening for any news on the 3dfx patch. I don't know, but I wouldn't doubt it. I've been saying for two months that Papy is probably waiting for the Voodoo2 to come out before releasing the patch. Maybe it's just coincidence that this timing theory had come true, but it's been hinted that Papy was having problems with the number of textures that N2 uses, and I'm sure that the Voodoo2 solves most (if not all) of this problem. As far as resolution, I don't know (yet - grin).

March 5 (tomorrow). Remember, this is ONLY the TEN enabler I'm talking about - NOT the offline version of NR2. TEN claims that papy will be releasing the offline patch soon afterwards. says... >Excuse what may be a stupid question, but are you referring >to 5th. March or 3rd. May?

Dude...? hehe...Thats a good one. Please refer me to the part of my post that states anything about it being too slow. On the other hand dude keep in mind that framerate preferences are a matter of taste. On one more hand Dude...Nascar 2 3dfx should have much better graphics...and maybe you should consider dude that graphics might be what Im waiting for....ummm. PAPA DOC

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>dude you need to speed up your computer or something, i have a P-133, and I >am getting decent framerate >>Arent enough hours in the day to play sims that arent 100%.....Nascar2 >>is good...but it isnt good enough for me. Given a choice between >>playing F1RS and Nascar....ummm can you say EAU ROUGE...now if Nascar >>would be Voodoo enabled then it might be alot more fun to run on my >>166. >>On another note...I dont believe Sierra...sorry but their credibility >>with me after the excuses given with Red Baron2 is nil. And these >>excuses revolved around the Voodoo patch or lack thereof. >>PAPA DOC >>>So are you saying that you refuse to play NASCAR 2 because it doesnt have >3dfx >>>support? LAME!!! >>>Though I will admit 3dfx support would be cool, cant wait to see GPL in >3dfx >>>Brian Short >>>> This is the same lame excuse that Sierra made about Red Baron2.....oh >>>> well...more coasters. Nascar2 and Grand National....CD's make great >>>> coasters.... >>>> PAPA DOC >>Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand >>Infamous >>Pink Flamingo Pilot...

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...

>On another note...I dont believe Sierra...sorry but their credibility >with me after the excuses given with Red Baron2 is nil. And these >excuses revolved around the Voodoo patch or lack thereof. Would sir like some sauce to be eaten with those words..? ;-) Hope you enjoy the 3dFX patch, I've been looking forward to it myself. Cheers! John

hehe Its not here yet.... PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...

Thanks. I assumed that you were using US date convention but just wanted to check :-) -- Bruce. "I envy people who drink. At least they have something to blame everything on." (Oscar Levant) > March 5 (tomorrow). Remember, this is ONLY the TEN enabler I'm talking > about - NOT the offline version of NR2. TEN claims that papy will be > releasing the offline patch soon afterwards. > says... > >Excuse what may be a stupid question, but are you referring > >to 5th. March or 3rd. May? > >>The 3dfx TEN enabler is scheduled for release on 3/5/98. The offline > >>version should be ready either at the same time or shortly afterwards. > >>Okay - NOW you shoud go out and order your 12mb voodoo2 cards...

Gee!!! It doesn't look like 3dFX to me....looks more like rendition. Some sauce?

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> >On another note...I dont believe Sierra...sorry but their credibility > >with me after the excuses given with Red Baron2 is nil. And these > >excuses revolved around the Voodoo patch or lack thereof. > Would sir like some sauce to be eaten with those words..? ;-) Hope you > enjoy the 3dFX patch, I've been looking forward to it myself. > Cheers! > John

I found the patch on the TEN website. No mention of 3dfx. Only rendition. Did we get some bad info here? Devon > March 5 (tomorrow). Remember, this is ONLY the TEN enabler I'm talking > about - NOT the offline version of NR2. TEN claims that papy will be > releasing the offline patch soon afterwards.

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>I found the patch on the TEN website. No mention of 3dfx. Only >rendition. Did we get some bad info here? >Devon >>March 5 (tomorrow). Remember, this is ONLY the TEN enabler I'm talking >>about - NOT the offline version of NR2. TEN claims that papy will be >>releasing the offline patch soon afterwards.

I was just repeating what I saw on the ten newsgroup. They came back later in the day and said that they would release the TEN enabler when Papy/Sierra released the patch for the offline version. Since that obviously didn't happen (dammit), the TEN enabler also was not released yesterday as originally promised. However, TEN announcing that the 3dfx enabler would be released on a specific date hints (to me, anyway) that Papy is real close to releasing it. Of course, this remains to be seen and is not to be misconstrued as an definitive announcement from me, Papy, Ten, or anyone else.

hehehe....would you like a nice bottle of Merlot with that sauce John...<VBG> PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...<G>

Hmm between the choice of racing against AI or 20 human drivers, I think we all know witch one we will choose. Nascar2 is still after 1year and a half the most perfect SimRacing title ---> IMHO <---- . F1RS and Gp2 are very close. VERY. Well, they are all equal, but the ability to race online the way Papyrus did with the NROS make the Sim a step higher. But I agree that when comparing Gp2 to N2 to F1RS they are the 3 top notch Sims on the market presently. Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) --"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--