Help Me Decide!!! Which Wheel?!!!!!

Xmas gift time, and I'm going for a wheel to run with NCR2. I'm running joystick now. (using an SB soundcard with that game port if it matters...) I have had limited time on a Per4mer (which was miserable), and my cousin's T1 which I thought was pretty good. Do I go for the T2 or do I get the new NASCAR Wheel?...Pony up guys <G>....what's the concensus? T2 or NASCAR? Thanks in advance for your help! Lou Blasi BSPN Motorsports...

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> Xmas gift time, and I'm going for a wheel to run with NCR2. I'm running > joystick now. (using an SB soundcard with that game port if it > matters...) > I have had limited time on a Per4mer (which was miserable), and my > cousin's T1 which I thought was pretty good. > Do I go for the T2 or do I get the new NASCAR Wheel?...Pony up guys > <G>....what's the concensus? > T2 or NASCAR? > Thanks in advance for your help! > Lou Blasi > BSPN Motorsports...

I've had all of the Thrustmaster wheels and here's my two cents. The pots and springs tend to wear quickly under heavy use. While the springs are relatively easy to replace, the pots aren't. My biggest gripes about the Nascar Pro are the peddles and the attachment to the tabletop. The peddles, while designed to give greater resistance, are *very* unstable and tip way too easily to the point of being a major distraction. The tabletop attachment, while pretty good overall, lines up *too* nicely with my knees and I bump them a lot, again, a distraction. My only gripe on the T2, in general, is the lack of shifter buttons on the steering wheel. If you race mostly N2 ovals, then this is not likely a big deal. Some dislike the T2 peddle design. I, personally, like it better than the Nascar Pro. Both of these points are likely a matter of personal preference. I didn't have my Nascar Pro long enough to determine the longevity of the springs versus the T2. The design is supposed to be improved. For my money, if I were only considering these two wheels, I would go for the T2 primarily because of the absolutely maddening peddle design on the Nascar Pro. For $80 (Best Buy), the T2 is a good deal. As far as the game port goes, I have a ACM gamecard. Oddly, I find that it makes little difference on the performance of my wheel, but makes a big difference with my joystick when playing Duke, for what it's worth. There are likely as many opinions as users on this one. Jim

Lou, I've been using the TM GP1 for 6 months now and wouldn't trade for any other wheel out there. With the throttle and brake paddles behind the steering wheel, there is no need for ackward floor mounted pedals. It sets up quickly and easily,but could use larger thumb screws to lock it down. I use it probebly 8-12 hours a week with no sign of problems. Just follow the simple set-up procedures one time and DRIVE! Hope this helps... don

I got the wheel 2 days ago (NASCAR Pro)... and found the mounting and pedals fantastic!! I guess you really have to just try it out and see if it works for you. I found the mounting very easy and convenient. My desk has a keyboard tray underneath the desk top. Mounting it to the tray does not work... but had no problem with it on the desktop itself even with a 3 inch or so "lip" on the desktop. Im 6ft 3in tall and had plenty of leg room underneth the desk. I havent had any problems with the pedal or base either. The base comes with some *** shoes for the 4 corners and find that it holds remarkably stable when placed under my desk on the anti-static floor mat we have. Im not saying Jim did not have the problems he is having.. Im just saying that it probably depends on the individual taste and style. I personally hated the CH wheel and pedals... but many love them. I personally was very surprised and how great I think the NASCAR wheel is after reading so many mixed reviews on RAS. I also have to qualify my statement with the fact that I have owned this for 2 days and havent had the pots or springs wear out yet *laugh*. Again, just my .02. Oh yes.. I got my NASCAR wheel for $99.00 at Best Buy.. .they had a $30.00 instant rebate. The T2 was $99.00 as well. Id say if you have a T2.. dont necessarily run out and buy the NASCAR. If you have no wheel and you are in the market for one (not like a TSW or something of supreme quality)... spend the few extra bucks and get the NASCAR wheel. Scott B. Husted [link lost in import: /~sbhusted]

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> > Xmas gift time, and I'm going for a wheel to run with NCR2. I'm running > > joystick now. (using an SB soundcard with that game port if it > > matters...) > > I have had limited time on a Per4mer (which was miserable), and my > > cousin's T1 which I thought was pretty good. > > Do I go for the T2 or do I get the new NASCAR Wheel?...Pony up guys > > <G>....what's the concensus? > > T2 or NASCAR? > > Thanks in advance for your help! > > Lou Blasi > > BSPN Motorsports... > I've had all of the Thrustmaster wheels and here's my two cents. The > pots and springs tend to wear quickly under heavy use. While the springs > are relatively easy to replace, the pots aren't. > My biggest gripes about the Nascar Pro are the peddles and the > attachment to the tabletop. The peddles, while designed to give greater > resistance, are *very* unstable and tip way too easily to the point of > being a major distraction. The tabletop attachment, while pretty good > overall, lines up *too* nicely with my knees and I bump them a lot, > again, a distraction. > My only gripe on the T2, in general, is the lack of shifter buttons on > the steering wheel. If you race mostly N2 ovals, then this is not likely > a big deal. Some dislike the T2 peddle design. I, personally, like it > better than the Nascar Pro. Both of these points are likely a matter of > personal preference. I didn't have my Nascar Pro long enough to > determine the longevity of the springs versus the T2. The design is > supposed to be improved. > For my money, if I were only considering these two wheels, I would go > for the T2 primarily because of the absolutely maddening peddle design > on the Nascar Pro. For $80 (Best Buy), the T2 is a good deal. > As far as the game port goes, I have a ACM gamecard. Oddly, I find that > it makes little difference on the performance of my wheel, but makes a > big difference with my joystick when playing Duke, for what it's worth. > There are likely as many opinions as users on this one. > Jim

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> Xmas gift time, and I'm going for a wheel to run with NCR2. I'm running > joystick now. (using an SB soundcard with that game port if it > matters...) > I have had limited time on a Per4mer (which was miserable), and my > cousin's T1 which I thought was pretty good. > Do I go for the T2 or do I get the new NASCAR Wheel?...Pony up guys > <G>....what's the concensus? > T2 or NASCAR? > Thanks in advance for your help! > Lou Blasi > BSPN Motorsports...

I would only get a wheel that has buttons on it. So I would rule out a T2. Don't know what else is available to you.

As someone who builds PCs for a living, I have seen many different components. I have enjoyed the Thrustmaster GP1 for about 12 months but have changed and cleaned POTs a few times. Lately it has been giving me more problems. A friend of mine is onto his second GP1 and it too is failing. I now have an Australian Wheel called the 'Advantage 1'. It has pedals and buttons on the wheel and is quite heavy because of its steel constuction. This sucker will not break !!!!! It kills the GP1 in all features.

> I've had all of the Thrustmaster wheels and here's my two cents. The > pots and springs tend to wear quickly under heavy use. While the springs > are relatively easy to replace, the pots aren't. This has to be tempered by my experience. I've only had one Thrustmaster wheel and after 2.5 years of darn near daily use (NASCAR sims, I76 and SODA Trucks) I've never had to replace a pot, and only had one spring break. The secret with the fine old T1 to keeping the springs in the pedals alive is to arrange it so you don't use the entire range of travel for them. My pedal unit is right up against a wall so the pedals only travel somewhere between 66% and 75% of their available travel - after calibration this is hardly noticeable while driving, and it extends the life of the springs exponentially. If you can still pull off this trick with the T2 or Nascar Pro pedal units, I'd do it in a heartbeat and there's a pretty good possibility that you'll have relatively trouble-free operation for years. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Alan J. Claffie PARSIMONIOUS RACING Internet Grand National aclaffie 'at' bgnn.com No.Adams, MA #93 Buick Riviera Alleged Racing Writer for "The Racin' Paper" WWW.BGNN.COM - NASCAR's Busch North Series on the Internet 7 "But it's more fun to delete spammers then it is to just delete spam"

So, Where did you get it and how much? On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:58:03 +1100, Support

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>As someone who builds PCs for a living, I have seen many different >components. I have enjoyed the Thrustmaster GP1 for about 12 months but >have changed and cleaned POTs a few times. Lately it has been giving me >more problems. A friend of mine is onto his second GP1 and it too is >failing. I now have an Australian Wheel called the 'Advantage 1'. It has >pedals and buttons on the wheel and is quite heavy because of its steel >constuction. This sucker will not break !!!!! It kills the GP1 in all >features.

I would NEVER want a wheel which had the gas/brake flippers on the wheel. For realism I want that on the floor...just like it is on my car. Chris

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>> Xmas gift time, and I'm going for a wheel to run with NCR2. I'm running >> joystick now. (using an SB soundcard with that game port if it >> matters...) >> I have had limited time on a Per4mer (which was miserable), and my >> cousin's T1 which I thought was pretty good. >> Do I go for the T2 or do I get the new NASCAR Wheel?...Pony up guys >> <G>....what's the concensus? >> T2 or NASCAR? >> Thanks in advance for your help! >> Lou Blasi >> BSPN Motorsports... > I would only get a wheel that has buttons on it. So I would rule out >a T2. Don't know what else is available to you.

> I would NEVER want a wheel which had the gas/brake flippers on the wheel. > For realism I want that on the floor...just like it is on my car. Yes, but combine the GP1 with the CH Pedals and you can use the wheel pedals for shifting gears. Great realism! ;^) l8er ronny -- |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

for $39. I agreed I'd rather have pedals as well, but this scenario with the shifting on the wheel seems VERY interesting. I didn't know you could do that! What are the hardware requirements for doing this? (Game card, two joystick or serial ports? That type of thing....) Lou B.

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> > I would NEVER want a wheel which had the gas/brake flippers on the wheel. > > For realism I want that on the floor...just like it is on my car. > Yes, but combine the GP1 with the CH Pedals and you can use the wheel > pedals > for shifting gears. Great realism! ;^) > l8er > ronny > -- > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

They retail for $399.00 in Australia. Drop me an E-Mail and I can organise one for you if interested. Can probably do a little better than $399.00 !!

I just got the GP1 to tie me over while a decide on a long term wheel set-up. As far as having the paddle levers for gas and brake and a button under each thumb for up & down shifts seem very easy and intuitive for me. I didn't need any special hardware it just plugs in and works although in CPR had to run it as a T1/T2 to get CPR to allow using the paddles. Hey for the price I think its pretty dang ok. I dont expect it to live forever being light weight and all plastic but till I get my preferences down this will do.P.S. it set right up in F1RS and Indy Cart2 easy only CPR had a bit of a problem with set up but all is fine now. Aloha, Mike USA here > for $39. I agreed I'd rather have pedals as well, but this scenario with the > shifting on the wheel seems VERY interesting. I didn't know you could do that! > What are the hardware requirements for doing this? (Game card, two joystick or > serial ports? That type of thing....) > Lou B.

> > I would NEVER want a wheel which had the gas/brake flippers on the > wheel. > > For realism I want that on the floor...just like it is on my car. If you are talking about realism, then certainly in F1 cars, the gear changers *SHOULD* be on the wheel. 8?) * Peter * 8-) Please remove asterix from address to email.

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> I just got the GP1 to tie me over while a decide on a long term wheel > set-up. As far as having the paddle levers for gas and brake and a button > under each thumb for up & down shifts seem very easy and intuitive for me. > I didn't need any special hardware it just plugs in and works although in > CPR had to run it as a T1/T2 to get CPR to allow using the paddles. Hey for > the price I think its pretty dang ok. I dont expect it to live forever > being light weight and all plastic but till I get my preferences down this > will do.P.S. it set right up in F1RS and Indy Cart2 easy only CPR had a bit > of a problem with set up but all is fine now. Aloha, Mike > USA here > > for $39. I agreed I'd rather have pedals as well, but this scenario with > the > > shifting on the wheel seems VERY interesting. I didn't know you could do > that! > > What are the hardware requirements for doing this? (Game card, two > joystick or > > serial ports? That type of thing....) > > Lou B.

Mike, Hey Bud, don't say it'll do until you get something better. I've driven a half dozen new and older TM wheels. I used the TM T2 forever, but picked up a GP1 at Costco for fifty bucks. I just plain love it. I always come back to my old reliable GP1. I like not having anything under my feet but the feel of the wheel is nice too. Think about it and you may just keep it quite a long time <ggg.> All the best, Mike Davis -- Michael S. Davis Creative Media-Works Computer/Audio/Video Convergence "from Creative minds spring Creative solutions." http://www.creativemedia-works.com

> > > I would NEVER want a wheel which had the gas/brake flippers on the > > wheel. > > > For realism I want that on the floor...just like it is on my car. > If you are talking about realism, then certainly in F1 cars, the gear > changers *SHOULD* be on the wheel. Hi, Peter! I didn't write what you quoted. I like the gear changers on the wheel, too! l8er ronny -- |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> As someone who builds PCs for a living, I have seen many different > components. I have enjoyed the Thrustmaster GP1 for about 12 months but > have changed and cleaned POTs a few times. Lately it has been giving me > more problems. A friend of mine is onto his second GP1 and it too is > failing. I now have an Australian Wheel called the 'Advantage 1'. It has > pedals and buttons on the wheel and is quite heavy because of its steel > constuction. This sucker will not break !!!!! It kills the GP1 in all > features.

Have you also got the seat. If so, is it good for extended use?

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> > As someone who builds PCs for a living, I have seen many different > > components. I have enjoyed the Thrustmaster GP1 for about 12 months but > > have changed and cleaned POTs a few times. Lately it has been giving me > > more problems. A friend of mine is onto his second GP1 and it too is > > failing. I now have an Australian Wheel called the 'Advantage 1'. It has > > pedals and buttons on the wheel and is quite heavy because of its steel > > constuction. This sucker will not break !!!!! It kills the GP1 in all > > features. > Have you also got the seat. If so, is it good for extended use?

No seat I'm afraid !!!!

The GP1 has been a godsend to me, I'm partially disabled from a motorcycle accident, and have a tough time using my left leg for pedal functions. I'm a lot faster with my GP1 hand controls.Now if I could just find a motorcycle I could ride with an ortho shoe! Can the hand controls on the TSW wheel be set up for Throttle/Brake functions?

have you ever heard bout the thrustmaster f1 racing-wheel? look to www.thrustmaster.com the wheel really works fine qno