F1RS dosn't work!

F1RS throws me back to Windows after the setup screen. Got all the bits etc. All other Direct X5 games work. Must be a load of crap! Alan

>F1RS throws me back to Windows after the setup screen. Got all the bits etc. >All other Direct X5 games work. Must be a load of crap! >Alan No, actually, you're just impatient and stupid........

No, it really is quite ***considering the brand name and all the hype. er.... until they release several patches to correct the zillions of faults it has. Roll on GrandPrix3. > >F1RS throws me back to Windows after the setup screen. Got all the bits etc. > >All other Direct X5 games work. Must be a load of crap! > >Alan > No, actually, you're just impatient and stupid........

F1RS works fine for me... ... unlike GP2 which chucks me out to DOS with as DOS4GW error every now & then. As for the brand name & all the hype I think your getting confused with another recent racing sim - I consider the Ubisoft release quite low key - the hype as such has been generated by the enthusiasts here in RAS - my own expectations have been exceeded with this game (unlike GP2). At least Ubisoft are actively involved in further developing the product (as indeed are Microsoft to be fair) unlike Microprose with GP2. Cheers Tony.

Erm..GP2 was never meant to go in Windows...it was DOS designed!! F1RS graphics are ***- the car looks wrong..look at the airboxes above the drivers head. Tom -- Tom Cosgrave Guinness Grand Prix :- http://www.rtc-carlow.ie/student/downeys/ggp.html The F1 Test Site :- http://www.rtc-carlow.ie/student/downeys/f1test.html E-mail :- Support Sarah Kavanagh and the RASF1 car in Formula Nippon http://www.sarah.org/sarah/rasf1 Username : rasf1 Password : gogirl "Ralf's not very happy, Fisichella's been blowing him off all weekend." ITV's Martin Brundle :-)

> Erm..GP2 was never meant to go in Windows...it was DOS > designed!! It was designed for Win95 actually, or at least to run under Win95. MPS aren't that shortsighted. I totally agree. Personally while I'm driving and staring out of the front of my car and looking at the back of the computer cars, just knowing that the airboxes that I can't see are wrong just totally ruins it for me.... Ahem.... Cheers! John

Who said I was running it in Windows? Actually I was running it in DOS - to eliminate the Win95 possibility. Still crashed! Tony > > F1RS works fine for me... > > ... unlike GP2 which chucks me out to DOS with as DOS4GW error every now & > > then. > Erm..GP2 was never meant to go in Windows...it was DOS > designed!!

>I totally agree. Personally while I'm driving and staring out of the >front of my car and looking at the back of the computer cars, just >knowing that the airboxes that I can't see are wrong just totally >ruins it for me.... Subtle! ;o] -- To reply, remove nosmeg from e-mail address.

I agree that they are working very hard to fix the faults of F1RS that many users are experiencing. Someone said here that UBI admitted in an email that they were committed to releasing it before the end of 1997 due to licensing limitations (although I cannot verify this) and that it just had to be released in its current state otherwise they would have to pay for a new license agreement from F1. This may be bullshit but I did read it here. By the way, I think that several glorious full page (and front flap cover) adverts in UK computer *** magazines constitutes considerable hype. Especially when the slogan says: "Sometimes you'll wish is was LESS REAL". (Admittely not hype in the same sense as the likes of Quake2 & Tomraider2). It appears that those with 3Dfx cards are having the least of the graphics/speed problems whereas those using Direct3D (e.g. with PowerVR) are having more problems. After an initial panic I worked methodically and really very hard to try to make it work properly but failed. I can see F1RS has great potential but at the time of release and until fix-it patches are available then I supposed you've got to expect a lot of negative responses here from genuinely frustrated users. My copy went back to the shop within a week. I'm sure if they fix the bugs etc then I'll buy it again (by that time it may be available at a cheaper price) - unless of course GP3 comes out. In the meantime might even give the tintops a try i.e. the new TOCA. Cheers > > No, it really is quite ***considering the brand name and all the hype.

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> > er.... until they release several patches to correct the zillions of > faults > > it has. > > Roll on GrandPrix3. > F1RS works fine for me... > ... unlike GP2 which chucks me out to DOS with as DOS4GW error every now

& > then. > As for the brand name & all the hype I think your getting confused with > another recent racing sim - I consider the Ubisoft release quite low key - > the hype as such has been generated by the enthusiasts here in RAS - my own

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> expectations have been exceeded with this game (unlike GP2). > At least Ubisoft are actively involved in further developing the product > (as indeed are Microsoft to be fair) unlike Microprose with GP2. > Cheers > Tony.

Agreed - I did not see these adverts. I was really referring to the long term build up of GP2 - which had as waiting for about a year over expected release, and we were aware of its existence (screenshots etc.) for I don't know how long. At least this product has had to my knowledge a reasonably short time for consumer awareness, and the hype that induces. Yes I think F1RS is great because I am not being frustated with these problems with my 3DFX card. The replay problem (causing the machine to freeze) appears to have gone away with the patch on my system. So I am happy, but I appreciate others are having problems. I guess we are pretty lucky here in the UK. We've got F1RS & TOCA, the US have CART PR, which by all accounts requires even more patching. Tony

On Sun, 7 Dec 1997 16:57:26 -0000, "Gary Lightfoot" >>I totally agree. Personally while I'm driving and staring out of the >>front of my car and looking at the back of the computer cars, just >>knowing that the airboxes that I can't see are wrong just totally >>ruins it for me.... >Subtle! ;o] Obviously not enough... :) Cheers! John

No one. Marc

It was NOT designed for Win95 and neither was it designed to run as a DOS-box within Win95. The fact that it might very well do so has nothing to do with it. Geoff Crammond started coding this game back in 1992 and no procedures had been made available by MS for Win95-native games that early. -- Bruce. "I envy people who drink. At least they have something to blame everything on." (Oscar Levant)

Bruce heeft geschreven in bericht THAT is not true. Installing GP-2 under Win95, like using the install-wizard from configuration, installs a DIFFERENT GP-2.EXE then when you install under DOS. So, YES, there is a Win95 version of GP-2. Same as Win95 Red Alert is way different then Dos Red Alert. GP2 Win95 crashes when you use a replay and change your viewpoint (At least, does on my PC). You can't start GP2 in DOS when you installed it under Win95. They're 2 different things. So? When GP2 was finally released, Win95 was pretty common on PCs and GP2 HAD to include a Win95 setup, which it does, in fact. You can install GP2 DOS or GP2 Win95. 2 different versions of the same program. And still, you only get 14.6 FPS on GP-2 no matter WHAt you do. I've got a P-166 with 32 Mb of Edo, a 12X CD-player, I'd expect a fluid run of GP2 since my system was top-notch back then when GP2 was released. But NO. Now, with the same config I run F1 RS and every time I'm blown away by the great FPS, the fluid run of it, the sheer beauty of it and the fun of driving the track knowing, one mistake means the graveltrap. Yesterday I just ran around Melbourne and I noticed that after I had spun and travelled through the dirt, on my next lap, the dirt was still on the track as the car began to slide while I was taking the corner with more car. How's that for accuracy? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flush The Seatbelt! Ekul in Sraw Rats ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sticks and stones CAN break my bones! Anonymous Stormtrooper on Endor. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1/35 Panther Ausf. F under construction ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.herbert.demon.nl http://www.macross.org/trooper -------------------------------------------------------------------------

> F1RS throws me back to Windows after the setup screen. Got all the bits etc. > All other Direct X5 games work. Must be a load of crap! > Alan What, your system, F1RS or your brain?

> THAT is not true. Installing GP-2 under Win95, like using the install-wizard > from configuration, installs a DIFFERENT GP-2.EXE then when you install > under DOS. Are you sure about this. I am sure I installed GP2 under Win 95 and it runs in dos just fine. Or is it only the exe's that are different?

>It appears that those with 3Dfx cards are having the least of the >graphics/speed problems whereas those using Direct3D (e.g. with PowerVR) >are having more problems. This should really surprise no one. Right until people figure out that they need 3dfx... Do you have a 3dfx or not? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

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> > THAT is not true. Installing GP-2 under Win95, like using the inst > all-wizard > > from configuration, installs a DIFFERENT GP-2.EXE then when you in > stall > > under DOS. > Are you sure about this. I am sure I installed GP2 under Win 95 a > nd > it runs in dos just fine. Or is it only the exe's that are different > ?

Look on the GP2 cd, there is only ONE GP2.exe file, this guy is talking crap. GP2 uses the same file to start the game no matter how you install it. d:?) * Peter * 8-) Please remove asterix from address to email.

Why is it that everything ends up as an argument involving 3DFX and PowerVR (or any other D3D card). F1RS is adverstised as working on D3D cards. PowerVR being one of the better ones to utilise D3D (as well as an increasing number of PowerVR2 specific titles). If I buy a game that says "D3D card required" on the box and it does not work properly then the definitive solution is hardly that I should s***my PowerVR2 card in favour of a 3DFX. I play Tomraider2 in 1024x768 16bit colour 3D (full screen or window) - and very smoothly as well - so I know what the card is capable of with a good direct 3D game (although I admitt that there is more 3D information to display in a racing sim so resolution and detail would have to be reduced accoring to CPU/ram). Even 3DFX users are having problems but just less of them. According to reports in this NG the game still crashes unpredictably - 3DFX or not. It does not say anywhere on the box: "reccomended spec - 3DFX otherwise this game will run like a slug and crash every 30 minutes". --Happy Racing.--

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> >It appears that those with 3Dfx cards are having the least of the > >graphics/speed problems whereas those using Direct3D (e.g. with PowerVR) > >are having more problems. > This should really surprise no one. > >After an initial panic I worked methodically and really very hard to try

to > >make it work properly but failed. I can see F1RS has great potential but at > >the time of release and until fix-it patches are available then I supposed > >you've got to expect a lot of negative responses here from genuinely > >frustrated users. > Right until people figure out that they need 3dfx... > >My copy went back to the shop within a week. I'm sure if they fix the bugs > >etc then I'll buy it again (by that time it may be available at a cheaper > Do you have a 3dfx or not? > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

Everything I have seen for this game, including the intro on the illegal demo says that a 3dfx card is recommended. Albeit I havent seen the box (I hope to see it on Wednesday, at leats according to the Oz distributors), so I cant say whats on the box, but anyone whos even glimpsed at the info on it around the net will know, a 3Dfx card will make it ROCK. It';s not necesary to run the game, but it sure makes it look better.... FWIW, I think 3dfx cards are not the be all and end all, but they seem to work extremely well with almost all types of games like Hexen, Quake, CPR, F1RS, TOCA, NFS2SE, Tomb Raider, POD, and so on.