FASTLAP 97 NASCAR 2 RESULTS 1st WEEK

Drivers: Subject: NASCAR 2 FASTLAP COMPEITION PAT DOTSON and JURE Z are the drivers on the TOP.. We would like to congradulate Pat a seasoned PRO with NASCAR 1 and 2. The Surprise has been the performance from the KID "JURE" from Slovenia. What kind of STOCK CARS do they have over there????? 1). We have received a total of 179 Fastlaps and you can view this results at the IVGA. [link lost in import] 2). We havent had a single driver attempt a FASTLAP with a PONTIAC. Personally I loved the PONTIAC in NASCAR 1. 3). The Ford are dominating, except for Mr. Butts and Mr. Farr's 196's at Taladega. 4). We are in the process of adding more categories and statistics to the calculation program. Atlanta Fastlap Records 1 Pat Dotson IICC 2189 29.704 184.460 Ford Bristol Fastlap Records 1 Jure Zagoricnik IGN 3904 15.421 124.428 Ford C***te Fastlap Records 1 Pat Dotson IICC 29.667 182.020 Ford Darlington Fastlap Records 1 Pat Dotson IICC 29.165 168.613 Ford Dover Fastlap Records 1 Pat Dotson IICC 23.423 153.695 Ford Loudon Fastlap Records 1 Pat Dotson IICC 2189 29.630 128.545 Ford Martinsville Fastlap Records 1 Jure Zagoricnik IGN 3904 20.575 92.034 Ford Michigan Fastlap Records 1 Pat Dotson IICC 38.408 187.461 Ford North Wilkesboro Fastlap Records 1 Jure Zagoricnik IGN 3904 19.866 113.259 Ford Phoenix Fastlap Records 1 Pat Dotson IICC 2189 28.395 126.783 Ford Pocono Fastlap Records 1 Jure Zagoricnik IGN 3904 52.808 170.429 Ford Richmond Fastlap Records 1 Pat Dotson IICC 22.347 120.822 Ford Rockingham Fastlap Records 1 Pat Dotson IICC 24.183 151.396 Ford Sears Point 1 Pat Dotson IICC 2189 37.886 92.679 Ford Talladega Fastlap Records 1 Jim Butts IVGA 4896 48.743 196.459 Chevy 2 Joe B. Farr IVGA 0001 48.793 196.258 Chevy Watkins Glen Fastlap Records 1 Pat Dotson IICC 11.207 122.752 Ford If you want a copy of the FASTLAP 97 program, just stop by the IVGA and download it.. Don Wilshe, IVGA

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>Sears Point > 1 Pat Dotson IICC 2189 37.886 >92.679 Ford >Watkins Glen Fastlap Records > 1 Pat Dotson IICC 11.207 >122.752 Ford

Mega times - but isn't something missing? ;-)) Cheers, Richard

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>>Sears Point >> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 2189 37.886 >>92.679 Ford >>Watkins Glen Fastlap Records >> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 11.207 >>122.752 Ford >Mega times - but isn't something missing? ;-)) >Cheers, >Richard

Richard.. I know Pat Dotson.. he's a darn good driver.. But Fastlap's flaw is that it gives you too much time to qualify hence... driving backwards to heat up the tires and get more speed. Go ahead.. Flame me

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> >>Sears Point > >> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 2189 37.886 > >>92.679 Ford > >>Watkins Glen Fastlap Records > >> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 11.207 > >>122.752 Ford > >Mega times - but isn't something missing? ;-)) > >Cheers, > >Richard > Richard.. I know Pat Dotson.. he's a darn good driver.. But Fastlap's > flaw is that it gives you too much time to qualify hence... driving > backwards to heat up the tires and get more speed. Go ahead.. Flame > me

CHARLIE: WRONG ANSWER. FASTLAP 97 can detect if you drive backward on the track.. Thanks for the attempt at answering something you dont know anything about but please leave it to the people that wrote the code and are EXPERT in FASTLAP 97.. Don Wilshe, IVGA PS. Charlie Mone is TOP 5 Drivers in the World on HAWAII!!!!!

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> > Richard.. I know Pat Dotson.. he's a darn good driver.. But Fastlap's > > flaw is that it gives you too much time to qualify hence... driving > > backwards to heat up the tires and get more speed. Go ahead.. Flame > > me > CHARLIE: > WRONG ANSWER. FASTLAP 97 can detect if you drive backward on the > track.. Thanks for the attempt at answering something you dont know > anything > about but please leave it to the people that wrote the code and are > EXPERT > in FASTLAP 97.. > Don Wilshe, IVGA > PS. Charlie Mone is TOP 5 Drivers in the World on HAWAII!!!!!

Don How may I ask does fastlap DETECT driving backwards? Nascar2 doesn't report such a thing. Can one of the "EXPERTS" explain this? Fastlap may detect the effect of driving backwards (too much time used to complete qualifications) but not the backwards driving itself. Besides the beta version DID allow enough time to drive backwards and take a whole extra warmup lap. mykey (non-"EXPERT")

I wonder if either meant to drive the track in the wrong direction. Driving in reverse could be risky at best. Driving the wrong way is detected in the game, and you'll hear your spotter commenting on brain-fade. Cheers! Marc

To clerify myself... let's use Talladega for example... you have almost 5 minutes to qualify. What this means is that when you start the game and click on Qualify, you are now in the pits ready to make your run. Turning the car around and driving the opposite way will not only get rid of some gas, but heat up the tires a bit more too. I tried this to see and my rough guess is that you can just about go back to turn3.. turn back around and still have an "ample" amount of time to make your qualifying run and also have hotter tires and less gas. Cutting the pits might also be possible at some tracks... Wikes, maybe Richmond, maybe Dega? I dunno, but my point is, people can go backwards for reasons mentioned above to enhance their times and the program doesn't recognize this irregularity.

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>>>Sears Point >>> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 2189 37.886 >>>92.679 Ford >>>Watkins Glen Fastlap Records >>> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 11.207 >>>122.752 Ford >>Mega times - but isn't something missing? ;-)) >>Cheers, >>Richard >Richard.. I know Pat Dotson.. he's a darn good driver.. But Fastlap's >flaw is that it gives you too much time to qualify hence... driving >backwards to heat up the tires and get more speed. Go ahead.. Flame >me

Charlie - no flames & it certainly wasn't a comment on Pat's times, rather the post. Check the times reported above and tell me if they are 100% correct <g> Cheers, Richard

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>>>>Sears Point >>>> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 2189 37.886 >>>>92.679 Ford >>>>Watkins Glen Fastlap Records >>>> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 11.207 >>>>122.752 Ford >>>Mega times - but isn't something missing? ;-)) >>>Cheers, >>>Richard >>Richard.. I know Pat Dotson.. he's a darn good driver.. But Fastlap's >>flaw is that it gives you too much time to qualify hence... driving >>backwards to heat up the tires and get more speed. Go ahead.. Flame >>me >Charlie - no flames & it certainly wasn't a comment on Pat's times, >rather the post. Check the times reported above and tell me if they are >100% correct <g> >Cheers, >Richard

Richard.. absolutely.. not only are they very "hit-able" but I know Pat.. we've raced numerous times on Kali and will vouch for any times he posts. I don't want to turn this into a reply that you perhaps were doubting Pat's times.. I'm sure you're not. I'm just pointing out that the FASTLAP97 program along with Nascar2 qualifying run's (the game itself) doesn't check for going backwards and cutting the pit.

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> >>>Sears Point > >>> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 2189 37.886 > >>>92.679 Ford > >>>Watkins Glen Fastlap Records > >>> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 11.207 > >>>122.752 Ford > >>Mega times - but isn't something missing? ;-))

< SNIP! > A _hole_ minute is missing - SO WHAT! Big deal. Sorry... couldn't resist! <g>. :) -- Ed_ - Norway "Early on, the cars were getting faster and faster. And with good reason: everybody was cheating." - Richard Petty

Obviously you haven't ran Fastlap or you would know that the laps are timed. And might I add that there is very few seconds to spare.

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>>>Sears Point >>> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 2189 37.886 >>>92.679 Ford >>>Watkins Glen Fastlap Records >>> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 11.207 >>>122.752 Ford >>Mega times - but isn't something missing? ;-)) >>Cheers, >>Richard >Richard.. I know Pat Dotson.. he's a darn good driver.. But Fastlap's >flaw is that it gives you too much time to qualify hence... driving >backwards to heat up the tires and get more speed. Go ahead.. Flame >me

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>>>Sears Point >>> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 2189 37.886 >>>92.679 Ford >>>Watkins Glen Fastlap Records >>> 1 Pat Dotson IICC 11.207 >>>122.752 Ford >>Mega times - but isn't something missing? ;-)) >>Cheers, >>Richard >Richard.. I know Pat Dotson.. he's a darn good driver.. But Fastlap's >flaw is that it gives you too much time to qualify hence... driving >backwards to heat up the tires and get more speed. Go ahead.. Flame >me

I'm not sure what Richard is refering to here, but I assure you that there was no driving backwards to heat the tires for these runs. If I did do that and heat the tires, my qual speed at the Glen would be over 124 (you've seen my replay cmone :) ). What did you mean Richard? Later, -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick L. Dotson Delco Electronics IWCC #98 Mountain Dew Kokomo, Indiana Audio Systems - Playback Can-Am Motor Sports R328 1-1293 Lead Mechanical Engineer Chevrolet-Monte Carlo -------------------------------------------------------------------------

I spoke too soon, you can actually go back to turn 2

>Obviously you haven't ran Fastlap or you would know that the laps are >timed. And might I add that there is very few seconds to spare. I'm sorry Chris but I have downloaded FASTLAP, run it and YES, you can go backwards to atleast turn 3, (DEGA) stop, turn around and still have enough time to run your qual lap and save it. You can also cut the pits.

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> >>How may I ask does fastlap DETECT driving backwards? Nascar2 > doesn't > >>report such a thing. > >I wonder if either meant to drive the track in the wrong direction. > >Driving in reverse could be risky at best. Driving the wrong way > >is detected in the game, and you'll hear your spotter commenting > >on brain-fade. > >Cheers! > >Marc > To clerify myself... let's use Talladega for example... you have > almost 5 minutes to qualify. What this means is that when you start > the game and click on Qualify, you are now in the pits ready to make > your run. Turning the car around and driving the opposite way will > not only get rid of some gas, but heat up the tires a bit more too.

WRONG WRONG WRONG CHARLIE... We read the GAS when you are done with your FASTLAP and make sure you didnt run more than 1.6 gallons.. If you run backwards up the track you will BURN GAS,,,, BRILLANT HUH!!!! WRONG WRONG WRONG.... STICK TO DRIVING ... YOUR STILL THE BEST DON WILSHE

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> > > Richard.. I know Pat Dotson.. he's a darn good driver.. But > Fastlap's > > > flaw is that it gives you too much time to qualify hence... > driving > > > backwards to heat up the tires and get more speed. Go ahead.. > Flame > > > me > > CHARLIE: > > WRONG ANSWER. FASTLAP 97 can detect if you drive backward on the > > track.. Thanks for the attempt at answering something you dont know > > anything > > about but please leave it to the people that wrote the code and are > > EXPERT > > in FASTLAP 97.. > > Don Wilshe, IVGA > > PS. Charlie Mone is TOP 5 Drivers in the World on HAWAII!!!!!

MyKEY!!! It sure does... think about it. I dont want to make it easy for you.. THINK THINK THINK - GRASSHOPPER!!!! You guys crack me up.. You got to use your head.... FASTLAP 97 beta and FASTLAP version we are using is totally differentin our detection !!!!

So what you're saying is: 1. If a user drives backwards to turn 2, turns back around and makes his qualifying run in less that the required time limit and saves it without going over the time limit.. FASTLAP97 won't accept the time? 2. Is cutting through the pit detected?.. I've been able to save results doing the above mentioned and cutting the pit without a problem... is it detected? Thanks!

If you can do this and submit your speed as if it were legit and still sleep at night then you must not have much of a conscience. I appreciate your comments Charlie, but anyone who has written code to prevent cheating knows that it isn't possible to catch every form of cheating and the honor systm just isn't enough either. When NRO is released, if it is ever released, I have no doubt that Papyrus will have written code to disqualify anyone who has driven backwards on the track, cut through the pits, or exceeded the speed limit on pit road during qualifying. When they do, we will finally have a simulator that we can truely use as a driver performance benchmark system. Until then we do what we can. You can't set the time limits too low because some folks are still running 486s. They wouldn't have time to make a legitimate attempt. David Martin

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> >Obviously you haven't ran Fastlap or you would know that the laps are > >timed. And might I add that there is very few seconds to spare. > I'm sorry Chris but I have downloaded FASTLAP, run it and YES, you can > go backwards to atleast turn 3, (DEGA) stop, turn around and still > have enough time to run your qual lap and save it. You can also cut > the pits.

Charlie: Always good questions!!!!

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> So what you're saying is: > 1. If a user drives backwards to turn 2, turns back around and makes > his > qualifying run in less that the required time limit and saves it > without > going over the time limit.. FASTLAP97 won't accept the time?

Yes, because he will have exceeded his GAS BURNED LIMIT!!! In NASCAR 1 and MULTI is was possible to drive through the pits like TALADEGA and WILKES. I know they fixed TALADEGA but I dont know about the other tracks. DRIVING THROUGH the pits is tough and has to be fixed for all versions of NASCAR NASCAR 1, NASCAR 2, and MULTI. Hopefully PAPYRUS will fix it in the new MULTI2.exe for NRO as well don

Just a minor wrench in the works: I don't think the Papyrus cars burn fuel in reverse. Thus, it MIGHT be possible (I haven't checked) to back the car around the track and get a minor gain in heating the tires and/or a better start to the out lap... (Of course, there'd be plenty of times that you put the car in the wall while backing...) ---Jim

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> >WRONG WRONG WRONG CHARLIE... We read the GAS when > >you are done with your FASTLAP and make sure you didnt run > >more than 1.6 gallons.. If you run backwards up the track you will > >BURN GAS,,,, BRILLANT HUH!!!! > Just a minor wrench in the works: I don't think the Papyrus cars burn > fuel in reverse. Thus, it MIGHT be possible (I haven't checked) to > back the car around the track and get a minor gain in heating the > tires and/or a better start to the out lap... (Of course, there'd be > plenty of times that you put the car in the wall while backing...) > ---Jim

Jim: They arent talking about driving the cars in reverse. They are talking about turning the cars around and driving them backwards up the track. This allows about 1 mph faster on qualifying unless you detect the fuel burned don

> They arent talking about driving the cars in reverse. They are talking > about turning the cars around and driving them backwards up the > track. This allows about 1 mph faster on qualifying unless you detect > the fuel burned Right, but if I leave my car facing the correct direction, and use reverse to back around the track (clockwise), then rotate the car to face the wrong way, then reverse (travelling counter-clockwise), get to some point on the lap, pull a boot-legger and nail the gas, it is probably possible to defeat the simple gas check... (And, if you allow infinite attempts, eventually someone will get it right...) ---Jim

>What did you mean Richard? Hi Pat, Sorry - wasn't try to imply anything about your laps & most certainly wasn't trying to suggest anything improper about them. Rather it was just a lame attempt at humour - Don's post missed out the minute from those times & the idea of getting around the Glen in just "11.207" seconds tickled my fancy <g> Wouldn't have posted my message if I had realised the fuss it would cause! Cheers, Richard

To clerify myself... let's use Talladega for example... you have almost 5 minutes to qualify. What this means is that when you start the game and click on Qualify, you are now in the pits ready to make your run. Turning the car around and driving the opposite way will not only get rid of some gas, but heat up the tires a bit more too. I tried this to see and my rough guess is that you can just about go back to turn3.. turn back around and still have an "ample" amount of time to make your qualifying run and also have hotter tires and less gas. Cutting the pits might also be possible at some tracks... Wikes, maybe Richmond, maybe Dega? I dunno, but my point is, people can go backwards for reasons mentioned above to enhance their times and the program doesn't recognize this irregularity.

This took you two months?...I'm lost on the original thread, but I seem to recall Don having an alotted time in order to complete your run...Not enough time to do as you illustrate. Cheers! Marc

Ooooh....this is strange indeed! =P

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> >To clerify myself... > This took you two months?...I'm lost on the original thread, but I > seem to recall Don having an alotted time in order to complete > your run...Not enough time to do as you illustrate. > Cheers! > Marc

Marc, Two months ago there was enough time. Now you don't even start in the pits anymore. I usually have an extra 8-10 seconds if I hurry thru the menus. mykey

I sent this post out some months ago.. and I haven't posted anything on here in atleast a month.. hmmm