Realistic Simulator?

Hi, I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic as in close to real race driving. It appears the Grand Prix Legends is considered very good on this regard, but it appears that Sierra has taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? TIA, Dan

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> Hi, > > I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic as in > close to real race driving. It appears the Grand Prix Legends is > considered very good on this regard, but it appears that Sierra has > taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? > > TIA, Dan

It depends on your poison.. For Vintage F1 - 1967 style...GPL is still the one...It is still available if you look around, not bad for a title that came out in 1998 Current F1 - EA Sports F1 Challenge 1999-2002 much harder to get than GPL, plus there are some great add-on mods, I still cant find this title either, still stuck with my F1 2002 Nascar - Nascar Racing 2003 Season - The last of a great series from Papyrus/Sierra, plus there are really good add-ons for it as well.. Available for as low as $10 if you look around www.onlineracin.com/pwf

On Wed, 19 May 2004 02:17:53 GMT, Dan <[email hidden]> wrote: >I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic as in >close to real race driving. It appears the Grand Prix Legends is >considered very good on this regard, but it appears that Sierra has >taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? Nascar 2003. And uh, that's about it for a few more months. Jason

Do a google search for GTR, LFS & Netkar

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> On Wed, 19 May 2004 02:17:53 GMT, Dan <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic as in > >close to real race driving. It appears the Grand Prix Legends is > >considered very good on this regard, but it appears that Sierra has > >taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? > > Nascar 2003. > > And uh, that's about it for a few more months. > > Jason

I agree.

"Damien Evans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Do a google search for GTR, LFS & Netkar > >Yeah if youve not tried it and want something 'sim' Try netkar. Its great

One here but 17 minutes to go, sorry. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8106515022&rd=1 Andi. -- Remove only one zero to reply. "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QLzqc.2728$[email hidden]... > > "Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ltzqc.11928$[email hidden]... > > Hi, > > > > I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic as in > > close to real race driving. It appears the Grand Prix Legends is > > considered very good on this regard, but it appears that Sierra has > > taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? > > > > TIA, Dan > > It depends on your poison.. > > For Vintage F1 - 1967 style...GPL is still the one...It is still available > if you look around, not bad for a title that came out in 1998 > > Current F1 - EA Sports F1 Challenge 1999-2002 much harder to get than GPL, > plus there are some great add-on mods, I still cant find this title either, > still stuck with my F1 2002 > > Nascar - Nascar Racing 2003 Season - The last of a great series from > Papyrus/Sierra, plus there are really good add-ons for it as well.. > Available for as low as $10 if you look around > > www.onlineracin.com/pwf > > > >

Why is that an Ebay UK addy, yet he says he is in Chicago? "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FlMqc.6128$[email hidden]... > One here but 17 minutes to go, sorry. > >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8106515022&rd=1

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> > Andi. > > > > -- > Remove only one zero to reply. > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:QLzqc.2728$[email hidden]... > > > > "Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ltzqc.11928$[email hidden]... > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic as in > > > close to real race driving. It appears the Grand Prix Legends is > > > considered very good on this regard, but it appears that Sierra has > > > taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? > > > > > > TIA, Dan > > > > It depends on your poison.. > > > > For Vintage F1 - 1967 style...GPL is still the one...It is still

available > > if you look around, not bad for a title that came out in 1998 > > > > Current F1 - EA Sports F1 Challenge 1999-2002 much harder to get thanGPL,

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> > plus there are some great add-on mods, I still cant find this title > either, > > still stuck with my F1 2002 > > > > Nascar - Nascar Racing 2003 Season - The last of a great series from > > Papyrus/Sierra, plus there are really good add-ons for it as well.. > > Available for as low as $10 if you look around > > > > www.onlineracin.com/pwf > > > > > > > > > >

I guess we're probably prepared to pay more, actually it didn't show up on ebay.co.uk until I specifically set 'worlwide' search. Sold for $20.50 in the end. Andi. -- Remove only one zero to reply. "TDRacin�" <TDRacinnospamflashmail.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Why is that an Ebay UK addy, yet he says he is in Chicago? > > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FlMqc.6128$[email hidden]... > > One here but 17 minutes to go, sorry. > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8106515022&rd=1 > > > > Andi. > > > > > > > > -- > > Remove only one zero to reply. > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:QLzqc.2728$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ltzqc.11928$[email hidden]... > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic as in > > > > close to real race driving. It appears the Grand Prix Legends is > > > > considered very good on this regard, but it appears that Sierra has > > > > taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? > > > > > > > > TIA, Dan > > > > > > It depends on your poison.. > > > > > > For Vintage F1 - 1967 style...GPL is still the one...It is still > available > > > if you look around, not bad for a title that came out in 1998 > > > > > > Current F1 - EA Sports F1 Challenge 1999-2002 much harder to get than > GPL, > > > plus there are some great add-on mods, I still cant find this title > > either, > > > still stuck with my F1 2002 > > > > > > Nascar - Nascar Racing 2003 Season - The last of a great series from > > > Papyrus/Sierra, plus there are really good add-ons for it as well.. > > > Available for as low as $10 if you look around > > > > > > www.onlineracin.com/pwf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Another one, from the same person, sold for $10.50 last night. He has some more to. "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:u76rc.5284$[email hidden]...

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> I guess we're probably prepared to pay more, actually it didn't show up on > ebay.co.uk until I specifically set 'worlwide' search. Sold for $20.50 in > the end. > > Andi. > > -- > Remove only one zero to reply. > "TDRacin�" <TDRacinnospamflashmail.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Why is that an Ebay UK addy, yet he says he is in Chicago? > > > > > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:FlMqc.6128$[email hidden]... > > > One here but 17 minutes to go, sorry. > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > Andi. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Remove only one zero to reply. > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:QLzqc.2728$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:ltzqc.11928$[email hidden]... > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic

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> > > > > taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? > > > > > > > > > > TIA, Dan > > > > > > > > It depends on your poison.. > > > > > > > > For Vintage F1 - 1967 style...GPL is still the one...It is still > > available > > > > if you look around, not bad for a title that came out in 1998 > > > > > > > > Current F1 - EA Sports F1 Challenge 1999-2002 much harder to get

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> > GPL, > > > > plus there are some great add-on mods, I still cant find this title > > > either, > > > > still stuck with my F1 2002 > > > > > > > > Nascar - Nascar Racing 2003 Season - The last of a great series from > > > > Papyrus/Sierra, plus there are really good add-ons for it as well.. > > > > Available for as low as $10 if you look around > > > > > > > > www.onlineracin.com/pwf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Or try here http://www.bhmotorsports.com/shop/20/2 Andi. -- Remove only one zero to reply. "TDRacin�" <TDRacinnospamflashmail.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Another one, from the same person, sold for $10.50 last night. He has some > more to. > > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:u76rc.5284$[email hidden]... > > I guess we're probably prepared to pay more, actually it didn't show up on > > ebay.co.uk until I specifically set 'worlwide' search. Sold for $20.50 in > > the end. > > > > Andi. > > > > -- > > Remove only one zero to reply. > > "TDRacin�" <TDRacinnospamflashmail.com> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Why is that an Ebay UK addy, yet he says he is in Chicago? > > > > > > > > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:FlMqc.6128$[email hidden]... > > > > One here but 17 minutes to go, sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8106515022&rd=1 > > > > > > > > Andi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Remove only one zero to reply. > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:QLzqc.2728$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > "Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:ltzqc.11928$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic > as > > in > > > > > > close to real race driving. It appears the Grand Prix Legends is > > > > > > considered very good on this regard, but it appears that Sierra > has > > > > > > taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA, Dan > > > > > > > > > > It depends on your poison.. > > > > > > > > > > For Vintage F1 - 1967 style...GPL is still the one...It is still > > > available > > > > > if you look around, not bad for a title that came out in 1998 > > > > > > > > > > Current F1 - EA Sports F1 Challenge 1999-2002 much harder to get > than > > > GPL, > > > > > plus there are some great add-on mods, I still cant find this title > > > > either, > > > > > still stuck with my F1 2002 > > > > > > > > > > Nascar - Nascar Racing 2003 Season - The last of a great series from > > > > > Papyrus/Sierra, plus there are really good add-ons for it as well.. > > > > > Available for as low as $10 if you look around > > > > > > > > > > www.onlineracin.com/pwf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On 5/18/2004 9:52 PM, Jason Moyer wrote:

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> On Wed, 19 May 2004 02:17:53 GMT, Dan <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic as in >>close to real race driving. It appears the Grand Prix Legends is >>considered very good on this regard, but it appears that Sierra has >>taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? > > > Nascar 2003. > > And uh, that's about it for a few more months. > > Jason

I am looking for a road course, not oval. What is coming out in a few more months? Dan

Just pick an oval and turn around and go backwards every other lap if you MUST turn right :) -Larry "Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ENqrc.14297$[email hidden]...

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> On 5/18/2004 9:52 PM, Jason Moyer wrote: > > I am looking for a road course, not oval. What is coming out in a few > more months? > > Dan

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> On 5/18/2004 9:52 PM, Jason Moyer wrote: > > > On Wed, 19 May 2004 02:17:53 GMT, Dan <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > >>I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic as in > >>close to real race driving. It appears the Grand Prix Legends is > >>considered very good on this regard, but it appears that Sierra has > >>taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? > > > > > > Nascar 2003. > > > > And uh, that's about it for a few more months. > > > > Jason > > I am looking for a road course, not oval. What is coming out in a few > more months? > > Dan

In case you haven't been paying attention, there are 2 excellent Touring Car mods and dozens upon dozens of road courses avaialble for NR2003. And if you have never tried oval racing, on-line multi-player racing doesnt get any better than it does with ovals. It is as fun to hotplap? No, but on-line competition on ovals and especially with how good Papyrus' netcode is makes NR2003 an essential title in any sim racers library

On Fri, 21 May 2004 17:14:12 GMT, Dan <[email hidden]> wrote: >I am looking for a road course, not oval. What is coming out in a few >more months? I don't actually have any ovals installed in my copy of N2003. There are tons of road courses available, many of which are Papy-quality or better. The sim coming out in a few months is GTR. Jason

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008LUMT/blackholemoto-20/102-0128223-7266506?dev-t=D8YVYFVFYJCR3%26camp=2025%26link_code=sp1 Out of stock. That ebay link is the best deal going, just wish I had the money right now. lol "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Eiorc.7094$[email hidden]...

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> Or try here http://www.bhmotorsports.com/shop/20/2 > > Andi. > > > > -- > Remove only one zero to reply. > "TDRacin®" <TDRacinnospamflashmail.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Another one, from the same person, sold for $10.50 last night. He has > some > > more to. > > > > > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:u76rc.5284$[email hidden]... > > > I guess we're probably prepared to pay more, actually it didn't show up > on > > > ebay.co.uk until I specifically set 'worlwide' search. Sold for $20.50 > in > > > the end. > > > > > > Andi. > > > > > > -- > > > Remove only one zero to reply. > > > "TDRacin®" <TDRacinnospamflashmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Why is that an Ebay UK addy, yet he says he is in Chicago? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:FlMqc.6128$[email hidden]... > > > > > One here but 17 minutes to go, sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8106515022&rd=1 > > > > > > > > > > Andi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Remove only one zero to reply. > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:QLzqc.2728$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:ltzqc.11928$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic > > as > > > in > > > > > > > close to real race driving. It appears the Grand Prix Legends > is > > > > > > > considered very good on this regard, but it appears that Sierra > > has > > > > > > > taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA, Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on your poison.. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Vintage F1 - 1967 style...GPL is still the one...It is still > > > > available > > > > > > if you look around, not bad for a title that came out in 1998 > > > > > > > > > > > > Current F1 - EA Sports F1 Challenge 1999-2002 much harder to get > > than > > > > GPL, > > > > > > plus there are some great add-on mods, I still cant find this > title > > > > > either, > > > > > > still stuck with my F1 2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nascar - Nascar Racing 2003 Season - The last of a great series > from > > > > > > Papyrus/Sierra, plus there are really good add-ons for it as > well.. > > > > > > Available for as low as $10 if you look around > > > > > > > > > > > > www.onlineracin.com/pwf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On 5/21/2004 4:13 PM, Jason Moyer wrote:

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> On Fri, 21 May 2004 17:14:12 GMT, Dan <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>I am looking for a road course, not oval. What is coming out in a few >>more months? > > > I don't actually have any ovals installed in my copy of N2003. There > are tons of road courses available, many of which are Papy-quality or > better. > > The sim coming out in a few months is GTR. > > Jason

I am new to sims, in fact haven't tried one yet. I now see the NR2003 has road courses. But I only want to learn one sim at the start. I am thinking that since Nr2003 is not officially supported anymore (i.e. not listed on Sierra'a website), that I should wait for GTR. Should I wait or buy a Amazon copy of NR2003? Thanks, Dan

"Dan_Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > "Damien Evans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Do a google search for GTR, LFS & Netkar > > > > > Yeah if youve not tried it and want something 'sim' Try netkar. Its great If you want the most realistic race simulator around get Toca Race Driver 2, this hands down beats the pants off everything else out there. You won't be dissapointed!!

On Sat, 22 May 2004 21:52:49 GMT, Dan <[email hidden]> wrote: >I am new to sims, in fact haven't tried one yet. I now see the NR2003 >has road courses. But I only want to learn one sim at the start. I am >thinking that since Nr2003 is not officially supported anymore (i.e. not >listed on Sierra'a website), that I should wait for GTR. Should I wait >or buy a Amazon copy of NR2003? You should be able to find NR2003 for $10 now, and I dunno...you really can't go wrong. It's by far the best sim ever made and it has fantastic multiplayer. Jason

On 5/22/2004 6:19 PM, cronik wrote:

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> "Dan_Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > >>"Damien Evans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:[email hidden]... >> >>>Do a google search for GTR, LFS & Netkar >>> >>> >> >>Yeah if youve not tried it and want something 'sim' Try netkar. Its great > > > If you want the most realistic race simulator around get Toca Race > Driver 2, this hands down beats the pants off everything else out > there. > > You won't be dissapointed!!

Toca looks cool but I see no recommended system requirements. What is the recommended PC set up? Dan

>Toca looks cool but I see no recommended system requirements. What is >the recommended PC set up? From the link to download the demo(should be the same as the game) -------------------------------------------- Minimum Requirements -------------------------------------------- - Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP - DirectX 9b - Pentium III or Athlon at 800MHz - 256Mb RAM - Supported 32Mb Graphics Card - DirectX 9 Compatible Sound Card - 1.2 Gigabytes Hard Disk Space - 2x DVD-ROM Drive -------------------------------------------- Recommended Specification -------------------------------------------- - Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP - DirectX 9b - Pentium III/4 or Athlon at 1.4GHz - 512Mb RAM - Graphics Card: ATi Radeon 8xxx and above, nVidia GeForce 3 and above - 3.75 Gigabytes Hard Disk Space >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Personally, I'd take their *recommended* requirements as MINIMUM. I've been burned with minimum requirements before... Something else I found while searching for the above. In answer to the question of damage being switched off for online races: "Yes. In online races they can be switched between on, off, and forward-only- where only cars travelling in the correct direction round the track are solid." I like the fact that reverse drivers can't screw up the experience for others anymore. It won't keep them from being total jerks, but it removes ONE problem, at least... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

Hi, Dan. Like other people, I would encourage you to go with NR2003. I was never a big fan of oval racing, but the game makes you see why it's so popular in the US. And it is a great way to get good online competition. There are plenty of great road courses for NR2003, also. For starters, download the old Le Mans circuit, Bathurst, Riverside, Mosport, and one of the many excellent fantasy courses. I guarantee you won't be disappointed. (Although you will have to buy a good wheel and pedal set of course.) Yes, GTR looks like it will be great, but NR2003 has a huge online player base and lots of freely available add-ons. Plus you can get it now! Cheers, Jason.

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> "Dan_Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<[email hidden]>... >> "Damien Evans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > Do a google search for GTR, LFS & Netkar >> > >> > >> Yeah if youve not tried it and want something 'sim' Try netkar. Its >> great > > If you want the most realistic race simulator around get Toca Race > Driver 2, this hands down beats the pants off everything else out > there. > > You won't be dissapointed!!

RD2 is more fun than a bag full of ferrets in pro-sim mode, but most realistic it definitely is not. NR2003, GPL, Netkar, Racer, LFS and F1C all do it better. I'd even say most Nascar Heat mods drive better than RD2. cheers John

> If you want the most realistic race simulator around get Toca Race > Driver 2, this hands down beats the pants off everything else out > there. > > You won't be dissapointed!! Put it back in your pants (...as you would say)

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> > If you want the most realistic race simulator around get Toca Race > > Driver 2, this hands down beats the pants off everything else out > > there. > > > > You won't be dissapointed!! > > Put it back in your pants > > (...as you would say)

Uh.

BTW... Nascar Racing 2003 is in stock, for $6.99. -Larry "TDRacin®" <TDRacinnospamflashmail.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008LUMT/blackholemoto-20/102-0128223-7266506?dev-t=D8YVYFVFYJCR3%26camp=2025%26link_code=sp1 Out of stock. That ebay link is the best deal going, just wish I had the money right now. lol "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Eiorc.7094$[email hidden]...

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> Or try here http://www.bhmotorsports.com/shop/20/2 > > Andi. > > > > -- > Remove only one zero to reply. > "TDRacin®" <TDRacinnospamflashmail.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Another one, from the same person, sold for $10.50 last night. He has > some > > more to. > > > > > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:u76rc.5284$[email hidden]... > > > I guess we're probably prepared to pay more, actually it didn't show up > on > > > ebay.co.uk until I specifically set 'worlwide' search. Sold for $20.50 > in > > > the end. > > > > > > Andi. > > > > > > -- > > > Remove only one zero to reply. > > > "TDRacin®" <TDRacinnospamflashmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Why is that an Ebay UK addy, yet he says he is in Chicago? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:FlMqc.6128$[email hidden]... > > > > > One here but 17 minutes to go, sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8106515022&rd=1 > > > > > > > > > > Andi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Remove only one zero to reply. > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:QLzqc.2728$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:ltzqc.11928$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering which current simulators are considered realistic > > as > > > in > > > > > > > close to real race driving. It appears the Grand Prix Legends > is > > > > > > > considered very good on this regard, but it appears that Sierra > > has > > > > > > > taken it off the market. Are there any current good ones? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA, Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on your poison.. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Vintage F1 - 1967 style...GPL is still the one...It is still > > > > available > > > > > > if you look around, not bad for a title that came out in 1998 > > > > > > > > > > > > Current F1 - EA Sports F1 Challenge 1999-2002 much harder to get > > than > > > > GPL, > > > > > > plus there are some great add-on mods, I still cant find this > title > > > > > either, > > > > > > still stuck with my F1 2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nascar - Nascar Racing 2003 Season - The last of a great series > from > > > > > > Papyrus/Sierra, plus there are really good add-ons for it as > well.. > > > > > > Available for as low as $10 if you look around > > > > > > > > > > > > www.onlineracin.com/pwf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

$6.99 on Amazon.com. I might order a couple of backups.. -Larry "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 22 May 2004 21:52:49 GMT, Dan <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I am new to sims, in fact haven't tried one yet. I now see the NR2003 > >has road courses. But I only want to learn one sim at the start. I am > >thinking that since Nr2003 is not officially supported anymore (i.e. not > >listed on Sierra'a website), that I should wait for GTR. Should I wait > >or buy a Amazon copy of NR2003? > > You should be able to find NR2003 for $10 now, and I dunno...you > really can't go wrong. It's by far the best sim ever made and it has > fantastic multiplayer. > > Jason