GET YOUR NASCAR 2 TRACKS!!! GET THEM WHILE PAPY WONT SUE ME!!!!!!!!! - austral.exe

> Has anyone checked this out? Is it legit or is it a *** little > virus? You first!! ;^) ER

Has anyone checked this out? Is it legit or is it a *** little virus?

While I haven't downloaded it, I recommend that you don't. Marc

I won't be checking to see if it is 'legitimate'. Please bear in my mind that if Sierra or Papyrus act they will probably also go for all those that work on utilities that convert or patch tracks. They may also decide to protect future product, either way it is unlikely that this charitable act is of benefit to this 'community'. BTW I hope the AI is sorted in this track. Dave.

You bonehead! Posting of these tracks IS illegal! Why? Because the tracks themselves are copyrighted Papyrus material. I wouldn't be suprised if someone from their legal department is taking action right now, based on the supposed upload of Australia. ***like this is what gave this group the 'black eye' it has now, and it will take a long, LONG time to repair the damage. Just ask Charlie Heath. He now stays away from this group, because he happens to work for Papyrus, and if it was known that he was associating with software pirates (in effect), he could lose his job, and possibly much worse. DNR Enterprises [link lost in import] ================================================ Home of the #1 BGN site on the 'Net...50 cars, utilities, and more!

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> You bonehead! Posting of these tracks IS illegal! Why? Because the > tracks > themselves are copyrighted Papyrus material. I wouldn't be suprised if > someone > from their legal department is taking action right now, based on the > supposed > upload of Australia. > ***like this is what gave this group the 'black eye' it has now, and it > will take a > long, LONG time to repair the damage. Just ask Charlie Heath. He now > stays > away from this group, because he happens to work for Papyrus, and if it > was > known that he was associating with software pirates (in effect), he could > lose his > job, and possibly much worse. > DNR Enterprises > [link lost in import] > ================================================ > Home of the #1 BGN site on the 'Net...50 cars, utilities, and more!

Sue me then too. If they can't make it, then I'll take it from someone else. Sorry some of us don't have perfect morals -- PolePosition#3 My Unofficial Dale Earnhardt Fan Page: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/nascar.html The Dale Earnhardt Fan Ring: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/dalering.html "If you don't believe, you don't belong." -- Alan Kulwicki's Credo

This user posted this illegal software from Idirect.com, an Internet service out of Toronto, Canada. The Idirect.com has been notified of this person's *international* copyright violations, since Canada upholds US copyright laws. Folks, I don't think I need to say it at all... DON'T POST COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL!!! Idiot... -- **do not reply to email address in header** ??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** Computer Systems Programmer USAF Air-Ground Operations School Hurlburt Field, FL Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

One of the many problems in this world...very sad. Marc

This is soooooooo much bullshit. If I worked for Papyrus I would track this guy to the ends of the earth and sue his ass off. What kind of way is that to treat the people who GAVE YOU THE DAMN GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE?!? Pardon me if I'm speaking out of turn, but most people come here to get information on sims - that isn't going to happen while warez and pirate stuff is being broadcast all over it. How would we go about getting this newsgroup moderated? Quite apart from cutting out all this piracy crap, it would help stop my other pet hate, which this guy also did for good measure. POSTING BINARIES TO THE DISCUSSION GROUP. Use the binaries group, that's why we've got it. Call it a threat, but if one more track hits this group you get several copies of a 100Mb windows swap file e-mail to you. John (mighty pissed off but feeling better already) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John S. Wallace - Sim Racing News ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "F*&* he's quick!" - Prost's comment on Senna ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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> This is soooooooo much bullshit. If I worked for Papyrus I would track > this guy to the ends of the earth and sue his ass off. What kind of > way is that to treat the people who GAVE YOU THE DAMN GAME IN THE > FIRST PLACE?!? > Pardon me if I'm speaking out of turn, but most people come here to > get information on sims - that isn't going to happen while warez and > pirate stuff is being broadcast all over it. > How would we go about getting this newsgroup moderated? Quite apart > from cutting out all this piracy crap, it would help stop my other pet > hate, which this guy also did for good measure. POSTING BINARIES TO > THE DISCUSSION GROUP. > Use the binaries group, that's why we've got it. Call it a threat, but > if one more track hits this group you get several copies of a 100Mb > windows swap file e-mail to you. > John (mighty pissed off but feeling better already)

It's not piracy if you create the tracks. Its piracy if they modify a track to create the track we all want. -- PolePosition#3 My Unofficial Dale Earnhardt Fan Page: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/nascar.html The Dale Earnhardt Fan Ring: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/dalering.html "If you don't believe, you don't belong." -- Alan Kulwicki's Credo

> >Sorry some of us don't have perfect morals > One of the many problems in this world...very sad. > Marc Then let's just kill everyone and start over. -- PolePosition#3 My Unofficial Dale Earnhardt Fan Page: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/nascar.html The Dale Earnhardt Fan Ring: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/dalering.html "If you don't believe, you don't belong." -- Alan Kulwicki's Credo

On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 15:17:24 -0500, John Logan >It's not piracy if you create the tracks. Its piracy if they modify a >track to create the track we all want. No, it's still piracy. Unless the create every MIP, every TRK, every LP etc the tracks still use Papyrus IP. What's more I highly doubt this guy made them himself. Cheers! John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John S. Wallace - Sim Racing News ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "F*&* he's quick!" - Prost's comment on Senna ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> How the hell you know what server I'm connected to?? Just to tell you > I'm only 10!!! I don't care if it's ilegal!!! You just gave it away buddy

> Sue me then too. If they can't make it, then I'll take it from someone > else. This attitude makes you part of the problem, rather than the solution.

There are several places which tell others what server you are using... and the fact that you are 10 years old doesn't get you off the hook..

I bet you WILL care when the authorities find you and (likely) confiscate your computer equipment and press charges against you for software piracy. You didn't cover your tracks very well, making it VERY easy to find out from where the illegal post came from. I would be willing to bet that Papyrus has now sat up and taken notice. DNR Enterprises [link lost in import] ================================================ Home of the #1 BGN site on the 'Net...50 cars, utilities, and more!

>How the hell you know what server I'm connected to?? Just to tell you >I'm only 10!!! I don't care if it's ilegal!!! >_________________________________________________________________ >"We have given away far too many freedoms in order to be free. Now >it's time to take some back." What the hell do you know about freedom!!! You obviously haven't participated in earning any of it. If Papyrus spends alot of money, time and hard work developing something, don't you think they should be *free* from thieves stealing it. Papy gets thier money the old fashioned way, they earn it. The guys getting these tracks for nothing are getting a free ride from those of us who work for our money and pay for our products. Your not welcome! According to your logic, I guess it would be safe to say that I should be free to wave my***in the air any time I want... regardless of whether or not your nose happened to be in it's path. NOT! Member - Hawaii Ace League http://www.dithots.org/hal

Then let's just kill everyone and start over.< May I humbly suggest starting with yourself? We'll watch and see if it makes a difference...who knows, you may be right. Bart Brown

BTW, Joey boy -- I've sent all YOUR profane messages (including the private e-mail I got this morning), plus those from your equally foul-mouthed pal "Bevis", to all your listed servers and ISPs. Better think of a new handle, and start looking for a new mail server. Kill file THIS, pal... Bart Brown

> > Sue me then too. If they can't make it, then I'll take it from someone > > else. > This attitude makes you part of the problem, rather than the solution. I don't see any solution around here????? Do you??? We get screwed by Sierra and Papy and you defend them. -- PolePosition#3 My Unofficial Dale Earnhardt Fan Page: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/nascar.html The Dale Earnhardt Fan Ring: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/dalering.html "If you don't believe, you don't belong." -- Alan Kulwicki's Credo

> Then let's just kill everyone and start over.< > May I humbly suggest starting with yourself? We'll watch and see if it > makes a difference...who knows, you may be right. > Bart Brown You defend Sierra and Papy even tho we get screwed over and over. Go kill yourself -- PolePosition#3 My Unofficial Dale Earnhardt Fan Page: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/nascar.html The Dale Earnhardt Fan Ring: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/dalering.html "If you don't believe, you don't belong." -- Alan Kulwicki's Credo

John Logan drooled: Yes, I am WELL known as the net's foremost defender of Sierra. You got MY number, all right. Get a life. Bart "and you all thought ymenard was bad" Brown

I am obviously a tad dense, but could you please explain how this company is screwing you? Are they making you purchase their products? Do they make you keep them once you have? Last I heard, they had a money back policy. Send it back. Buy your software elseware. Ever hear the old saying: Fool me once, shame on you Fool me twice, shame on me

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> > This attitude makes you part of the problem, rather than the solution. > I don't see any solution around here????? Do you??? > We get screwed by Sierra and Papy and you defend them. > --

Well, personally, I think NASCAR 2 is about the most thorough driving sim on the market (speaking for myself). A patch was released to incorporate those who demanded a save race feature, and to tweak some general bugs; it had a couple of glitches, so another follow-up patch was issued. I don't see how you're "being screwed." A.) You can always take it back or return to Sierra if you don't like it and/or, B.) You can always send in suggestions about what you'd like to see changed in any subsequent versions of the program. If your ideas seem to speak for the masses, then I'm sure every effort will be made to incorporate them into the next product. FWIW, I completed an entire championship season against 100% AI in the game, and I didn't "get screwed" by any aspect of the game. God Bless, Steve

YESSS!!!! I've been trying to do this for days now and my dang reader wont configure to show all the info so all I was able to get was Bevis the ridiculouses fake looking and utterly stupid return address. Please can we have a new topic now? Thank you thankyou thankyouthankyou!!!! Ron *********************************************** ** Keep the shiny side up & the hammer down ** *** Ron Riekens II *** **** Co-Owner - Driver **** **** Maui Sunshine Raceing/*** Photography **** *** NASS BGN Series #97 Pontiac *** * [link lost in import] * ***********************************************

This is against the law. You should realize this before you do it. It's too bad the damage you will do to Papyrus and the track owners as well as to yourself. Your type of flagrant law breaking makes it tougher and tougher for papyrus to get the licenses they need to make a better sim. It makes it harder on all of us that want to see better products. Now because a simple converter was released, we have a serious proliferation of illegal tracks. This is serious and I hope you have the financial resources to be able to retain good legal counsel. My guess is that you have already been warned and if not, you will be very shortly. Of course from your post you already seem to think that Papy will sue you. I for one certainly hope they do. It's because of this immature attitude that BB&B Track Editing Project won't release a single tool to anyone. So Sim Racing fans. Let this jerk know your displeasure with him. Chas Bornemann -- Simulator ***world http://sim***world.simplenet.com/ Nascar 1 ** Nascar 2 ** Indy Car 2 Member Site - The Sim Project - BB&B Track Editing SSCRA '97 OFFLINE RACING LEAGUE Chas Bornemann Brandon Reed Ted D. Scurlock NASCAR FEEL the THUNDER!!!

I've got the gun. Who's first?

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> > >Sorry some of us don't have perfect morals > > One of the many problems in this world...very sad. > > Marc > Then let's just kill everyone and start over. > -- > PolePosition#3 > My Unofficial Dale Earnhardt Fan Page: > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/nascar.html > The Dale Earnhardt Fan Ring: > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/dalering.html > "If you don't believe, you don't belong." -- Alan Kulwicki's Credo

-- Simulator ***world http://sim***world.simplenet.com/ Nascar 1 ** Nascar 2 ** Indy Car 2 Member Site - The Sim Project - BB&B Track Editing SSCRA '97 OFFLINE RACING LEAGUE Chas Bornemann Brandon Reed Ted D. Scurlock NASCAR FEEL the THUNDER!!! _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/

Apparently some of you don't have any morals. Chas Bornemann

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> > You bonehead! Posting of these tracks IS illegal! Why? Because the > > tracks > > themselves are copyrighted Papyrus material. I wouldn't be suprised if > > someone > > from their legal department is taking action right now, based on the > > supposed > > upload of Australia. > > ***like this is what gave this group the 'black eye' it has now, and it > > will take a > > long, LONG time to repair the damage. Just ask Charlie Heath. He now > > stays > > away from this group, because he happens to work for Papyrus, and if it > > was > > known that he was associating with software pirates (in effect), he could > > lose his > > job, and possibly much worse. > > DNR Enterprises > > [link lost in import] > > ================================================ > > Home of the #1 BGN site on the 'Net...50 cars, utilities, and more! > Sue me then too. If they can't make it, then I'll take it from someone > else. > Sorry some of us don't have perfect morals > -- > PolePosition#3 > My Unofficial Dale Earnhardt Fan Page: > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/nascar.html > The Dale Earnhardt Fan Ring: > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4578/dalering.html > "If you don't believe, you don't belong." -- Alan Kulwicki's Credo

-- Simulator ***world http://sim***world.simplenet.com/ Nascar 1 ** Nascar 2 ** Indy Car 2 Member Site - The Sim Project - BB&B Track Editing SSCRA '97 OFFLINE RACING LEAGUE Chas Bornemann Brandon Reed Ted D. Scurlock NASCAR FEEL the THUNDER!!! _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/

Go play Sega Rally or Al Unser's Arcade Racing if you feel screwed by Papyrus. -- Formula T2 Upgrade Page - http://huizen.dds.nl/~jjcox

<snip> ^^ speak for yourself Mr. Braindamage, don't even *think* you're speaking for the rest of this group. Thanks. -- Formula T2 Upgrade Page - http://huizen.dds.nl/~jjcox

Actually it does if he is in Canada! Alex Raceman on EFNet

...but not his parents/guardians. Marc

Real mature response <NOT>. You should learn to tame your language as there are all ages reading this newsgroup. Or perhaps we can report your abusive language to your web provider. Chas Bornemann

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> Yo Sim Racing guy if you think it's a virus you can go to ***EN > HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I recommend that you should download it!!!! Ok > be like that don't get the extra tracks!!! There cool!! > --Light Speed > Light Speed Online: [link lost in import: /~rrumo/welcome.html] > >>Has anyone checked this out? Is it legit or is it a *** little virus? > >While I haven't downloaded it, I recommend that you don't. > >Marc

-- Simulator ***world http://sim***world.simplenet.com/ Nascar 1 ** Nascar 2 ** Indy Car 2 Member Site - The Sim Project - BB&B Track Editing SSCRA '97 OFFLINE RACING LEAGUE Chas Bornemann Brandon Reed Ted D. Scurlock NASCAR FEEL the THUNDER!!! _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/

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>What?? And my name is not alex!! It's Mike!!!! >>>>How the hell you know what server I'm connected to?? Just to tell you >>>>I'm only 10!!! I don't care if it's ilegal!!! >>>There are several places which tell others what server you are using... >>>and the fact that you are 10 years old doesn't get you off the hook.. >> Actually it does if he is in Canada! >>Alex >>Raceman on EFNet >_________________________________________________________________ >"We have given away far too many freedoms in order to be free. Now >it's time to take some back." >* Remove it and you got me

WHAT?? Alex Raceman on EFNet

He is 10 years old like he cares about his parents! Alex Raceman on EFNet

There kool, eh? How aboud yu tri too spel write. Ore is dat two hard, eh? Tri to du dat insted off nocking everion who doesnt lyke yu ppl pirading trax, eh? Ore r yu going 2 inzuld mi know, two, eh?

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> > Yo Sim Racing guy if you think it's a virus you can go to ***EN > > HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I recommend that you should download it!!!! > Ok > > be like that don't get the extra tracks!!! There cool!! > > --Light Speed > > Light Speed Online: [link lost in import: /~rrumo/welcome.html] > There kool, eh? How aboud yu tri too spel write. Ore is dat two hard, > eh? > Tri to du dat insted off nocking everion who doesnt lyke yu ppl > pirading > trax, eh? Ore r yu going 2 inzuld mi know, two, eh?

Oh, that was brilliant. Of course you realize, his language and your comments place the two of you just about equal on the mentality scale. You're both just a wee bit below the mean.

How about this...After I visit your neck of the woods (as your invitation suggests above), why not stop with the following: 1) Software piracy. 2) Gross spelling errors. 3) Foul and abusive language in a public forum/newsgroup. Also, I've seen mention of a 100Mb Windows swap file elsewhere in this ng. Is this something that would be of use to you? Let me know, and I'll dig around to see if I can send you a copy. Marc J. Nelson Sim Racing Online / Sim Racing News / The Sim Project / iRACE

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>> Yo Sim Racing guy if you think it's a virus you can go to ***EN >> HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I recommend that you should download it!!!! Ok >> be like that don't get the extra tracks!!! There cool!! >> --Light Speed >> Light Speed Online: [link lost in import: /~rrumo/welcome.html] >There kool, eh? How aboud yu tri too spel write. Ore is dat two hard, eh? >Tri to du dat insted off nocking everion who doesnt lyke yu ppl pirading >trax, eh? Ore r yu going 2 inzuld mi know, two, eh?

Well, at least they didn't spell it kewl <G>. Maybe there is some hope for a few of these people as long as they stay in their nice padded cells. *********************************************** ** Keep the shiny side up & the hammer down ** *** Ron Riekens II *** **** Co-Owner - Driver **** **** Maui Sunshine Raceing/*** Photography **** *** NASS BGN Series #97 Pontiac *** * [link lost in import] * ***********************************************

No, no. He needs a full copy of Linux Slackware. It just so happens I have one right here( It even comes with DOOM!). Jason Reineri /*---------------------------*/ /* 1997-98 */ /* Kennesaw State University */ /* Ice Hockey */ /* */ /*---------------------------*/

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>> > Sue me then too. If they can't make it, then I'll take it from someone >> > else. >> This attitude makes you part of the problem, rather than the solution. >I don't see any solution around here????? Do you??? >We get screwed by Sierra and Papy and you defend them. >--

We didn't get screwed by Sierra/Papy. We got screwed by the lawyers who come UP with this crap... ________ Eldred Pickett e-mail address altered to deter spammers - remove the '*' to reply Put your message in a modem - and throw it into the ***-sea...