N2 PATCH PROBLEMS FOUND - 1 MAJOR

Ditto. Although mine happens rarely.

This is to touch base with anybody else who might be experiencing the same problems that I did not want to find. Some are minor. One is a disaster. MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem) This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is there now with the new nascar2exe file MINOR- The race dates are now reversed ex: 2/16/97 to 16/2/97 MINOR The patch bombs out trying to edit the Nite C***te track The original was installed off the CD so the patch does not like the date stamp. 11/26/96 MINOR My setup.exe has a date stamp of 11/25/96 which did not match the dates given by papy for the 2 versions I ran both and tested each same results The save game worked great but with the car lurching to the right the patch is not useable at this time This is not to be critical but we need to bring these things to light or were not going to get any problems fixed So save your flames for the fireplace Some of us would like the sim to work properly PS I have already sent this to SIERRA they have a message board, QA dep't, and someone to address your problems to. They might be able to help with PAPY, Who knows?? www.sierra.com

Well, it definately is not a track problem hence it happens with almost all the tracks at some point. This problem definately needs fixing because the game is unplayable in this state. I loaded up Michigan and was running for about 2 laps and BOOM I do a Ricky Craven (*** jerk to the right) and hit the retaining wall hard enough to severly damage the wheel and bend the sheet metal. This probably would not be a big deal if damge was turned off, although if a car was next to you it would be an instant accident. I don't know *why* this is occuring, but it's not good. After waiting for quite awhile for a patch....I had absolute faith it would probably need another. Did these guys even test the patch? This bug is too obvious. Oh well, wish I had waited to patch the game....because the way it is now is unexceptable. Oh well, I can always *pretend* I'm Jimmy Spencer :)

<SNIP> MINOR point: The readme.txt file that comes with the patch tells you to look at the date of the setup.exe file on the CD (on your D: drive for example), not in the nascar2 folder on your hard drive. The setup.exe in your Nascar2 folder has the 11/25 date, but you need to look at the date of the setup.exe file on the CD to determine which version of NASCAR2 you have so that you can pick the correct patch to download and apply. I haven't experienced this yet on my setup, but thanks for the heads-up. I have original NASCAR2 version 1.00 BTW. And a minimum install. This is not to be critical, but we need to READ THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT COME WITH A PATCH, and/or any product we purchase before we complain about its shortcomings. For that matter, the version determination procedure is posted plainly at Sierra's patch download page as well. Are you using a minimum or maximum install? What is your system setup? Maybe if we can gather enough information on this problem from people who are experiencing it, and post it here, then we can pass it on to Papy and or/Sierra. Just my $0.02

Ran a 20% length race here right after installing the patch with no problems I ran the race mentioned above plus several practice laps at Martinsville, Talledega, Bristol, and Atlanta, and never experienced what you did. Did you recalibrate after installing the patch? The only problem I had was recopying the original files over some of the edited files supplied by some of the nice folks on this group. So far the patch works great, and I can't wait to run my first full-length race at C***te. It may take me a month to do it though, but what the hey? Thanks Papy, for the save game, and now, a GREAT sim! Jerry Morelock

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>This is to touch base with anybody else who might be experiencing the >same problems that I did not want to find. Some are minor. One is a >disaster. >MINOR The patch bombs out trying to edit the Nite C***te track > The original was installed off the CD so the patch does > not like the date stamp. 11/26/96 >MINOR My setup.exe has a date stamp of 11/25/96 which did not match > the dates given by papy for the 2 versions I ran both > and tested each same results

The date they are referring to is the date of the setup.exe in the root directory of your N2 CD, not the setup.exe in the Nascar2 directory which does happen to be 11/25. hmmm... I didn't have the lurching problem running renddma with a P166 on Win95a. Member - Hawaii Ace League http://www.dithots.org/hal

Why don't you just re-install the original software? Dave Sparks IWCCCARS Project: [link lost in import] Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html Hawaii Handle: davids

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> This is to touch base with anybody else who might be experiencing the > same problems that I did not want to find. Some are minor. One is a > disaster. > MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to > the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was > not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each > one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky > every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem) > This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is > there now with the new nascar2exe file

I have experienced same problem with Gran Prix wheel. David T.

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>MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to > the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was >not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each >one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky >every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem) >This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is >there now with the new nascar2exe file

You may have to re-calibrate. Also make sure steering help didn't get turned on. I let someone drive N2 the other day and he was having all kinds of trouble getting the car to drive in a straight line. Turns out my 10-year old daughter had been driving earlier that day and turned on steering help. ;) Dave Sparks IWCCCARS Project: [link lost in import] Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html Hawaii Handle: davids

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>This is to touch base with anybody else who might be experiencing the >same problems that I did not want to find. Some are minor. One is a >disaster. >MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to > the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was >not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each >one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky >every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem) >This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is >there now with the new nascar2exe file >MINOR- The race dates are now reversed ex: 2/16/97 to 16/2/97 >MINOR The patch bombs out trying to edit the Nite C***te track > The original was installed off the CD so the patch does > not like the date stamp. 11/26/96 >MINOR My setup.exe has a date stamp of 11/25/96 which did not match > the dates given by papy for the 2 versions I ran both > and tested each same results >The save game worked great but with the car lurching to the right the >patch is not useable at this time >This is not to be critical but we need to bring these things to light >or were not going to get any problems fixed So save your flames for >the fireplace Some of us would like the sim to work properly >PS I have already sent this to SIERRA they have a message board, > QA dep't, and someone to address your problems to. They might be > able to help with PAPY, Who knows?? www.sierra.com

Myself and at least one other person I know also has the sudden "right turn" blip. We experience it with direct modem as well as thru the internet connections. The new "bump in the road" blip is ok, but I must say I don't like the sudden right turn one. This isn't a old software problem, this is a problem related to the new patch.

Of course the patch was tested (though to be honest some things like the date format can go unnoticed), but I have yet to experience any jerkyness whatsoever in the steering. --

>Myself and at least one other person I know also has the sudden "right >turn" blip. We experience it with direct modem as well as thru the internet >connections. The new "bump in the road" blip is ok, but I must say I don't >like the sudden right turn one. This isn't a old software problem, this is >a problem related to the new patch. Someone else reported this problem to me and was able to fix it by re-calibrating the joystick interface. Dave Sparks IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html Hawaii Handle: davids

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> > MINOR The patch bombs out trying to edit the Nite C***te track > > The original was installed off the CD so the patch does > > not like the date stamp. 11/26/96 > Ran a 20% length race here right after installing the patch with no > problems > > The save game worked great but with the car lurching to the right the > > patch is not useable at this time > I ran the race mentioned above plus several practice laps at Martinsville, > Talledega, Bristol, and Atlanta, and never experienced what you did. Did > you recalibrate after installing the patch?

I did recalibrate, so that's not the problem. The only problem I had was -- Ed "A friend of mine suggested I try America Online, I said 'But I already have a computer...'"

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> This is to touch base with anybody else who might be experiencing the > same problems that I did not want to find. Some are minor. One is a > disaster. > MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to > the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was > not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each > one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky > every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem) > This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is > there now with the new nascar2exe file

I, and apparently a lot of other people have experienced this as well. Letting Papy know about a bug is not whining or complaining and I'm sure they are glad for tha input. I expect we will get some kind of response about this very soon. You downloaded the wrong version. There are two setup.exe files, one from Sierra, and one from Papy. Look in the NASCAR2 dir of the CD, or just take my word and go ahead and download the other version. I had the same problem, and this fixed it. See first annotation -- Ed "A friend of mine suggested I try America Online, I said 'But I already have a computer...'"

On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 01:53:21 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

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>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >------=_NextPart_000_01BC52AD.C8E06420 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I too have experienced the "Rocky Horror Show" syndrome....the "jump to = >the right! >However, I completely disagree that it makes the patch unusable, having = >just completed a full-length race at Talladega and also at (to see if = >the "jump" was universal") Martinsville. All it took was a little = >common-sense to stay more to the left when negotiating a turn. = >Sure...it jumped....but after the first couple of times I became used to = >it and treated it (in my imagination) as a bump on the track! >Martinsville was less of a problem, due to the lower speeds through the = >turns. >Incidentally....at 'dega the jump occurred about every 5 or 6 laps and = >at Martinsville about every 20 or so laps. Does this indicate it could = >be something on a timed loop in the program? >With regard to the date stamp....I consider this to be = >non-event.....that is the way we tend to write the date anyway!! Good = >on yer, Sierra!! :-) >Bruce. >"But that was then....and this is now!" >(Murray Walker) >Vegemite Racing:- = >[link lost in import] >Stunned Mullet:- = >[link lost in import] >------=_NextPart_000_01BC52AD.C8E06420 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML 3.2//EN"> ><HTML> ><HEAD> ><META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> ><META content=3D'"Trident 4.71.0544.0"' name=3DGENERATOR> ></HEAD> ><BODY> ><P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I too have experienced the = >&quot;Rocky=20 >Horror Show&quot; syndrome....the &quot;jump to the right!</FONT> ><P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>However, I completely disagree = >that it=20 >makes the patch unusable, having just completed a full-length race at = >Talladega=20 >and also at (to see if the &quot;jump&quot; was universal&quot;) = >Martinsville. =20 >All it took was a little common-sense to stay more to the left when = >negotiating=20 >a turn. Sure...it jumped....but after the first couple of times I = >became used=20 >to it and treated it (in my imagination) as a bump on the track!</FONT> ><P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Martinsville was less of a = >problem, due to=20 >the lower speeds through the turns.</FONT> ><P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Incidentally....at 'dega the = >jump occurred=20 >about every 5 or 6 laps and at Martinsville about every 20 or so laps. = >Does=20 >this indicate it could be something on a timed loop in the = >program?</FONT> ><P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>With regard to the date = >stamp....I consider=20 >this to be non-event.....that is the way we tend to write the date = >anyway!! =20 >Good on yer, Sierra!! :-)</FONT> ><P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Bruce.<BR>&nbsp; ><BR> >&quot;But that was then....and this is now!&quot;<BR> >(Murray Walker)<BR> >Vegemite Racing:- = >[link lost in import: /;BR]> >Stunned Mullet:- <A=20 >href=3D"[link lost in import]>http:/= >/www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/stunnedmullet/index.htm</A></FONT></P> ></BODY></HTML> >------=_NextPart_000_01BC52AD.C8E06420--

It's nice you can pretend it's a BUMP in the track but after running 30 laps at dega and having the car lurch into a car next to me I kiss the 30 laps goodbye after a bounce off the wall. I'm trying to live with this problem that seems to be pretty common but sometimes it's too much, especially when the patch was supposed to make the sim better not worse.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC52AD.C8E06420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too have experienced the "Rocky Horror Show" syndrome....the "jump to = the right! However, I completely disagree that it makes the patch unusable, having = just completed a full-length race at Talladega and also at (to see if = the "jump" was universal") Martinsville. All it took was a little = common-sense to stay more to the left when negotiating a turn. = Sure...it jumped....but after the first couple of times I became used to = it and treated it (in my imagination) as a bump on the track! Martinsville was less of a problem, due to the lower speeds through the = turns. Incidentally....at 'dega the jump occurred about every 5 or 6 laps and = at Martinsville about every 20 or so laps. Does this indicate it could = be something on a timed loop in the program? With regard to the date stamp....I consider this to be = non-event.....that is the way we tend to write the date anyway!! Good = on yer, Sierra!! :-) Bruce. "But that was then....and this is now!" (Murray Walker) Vegemite Racing:- = http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/vegemiteracing/index.htm Stunned Mullet:- = http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/stunnedmullet/index.htm ------=_NextPart_000_01BC52AD.C8E06420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"Trident 4.71.0544.0"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I too have experienced the = &quot;Rocky=20 Horror Show&quot; syndrome....the &quot;jump to the right!</FONT> <P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>However, I completely disagree = that it=20 makes the patch unusable, having just completed a full-length race at = Talladega=20 and also at (to see if the &quot;jump&quot; was universal&quot;) = Martinsville. =20 All it took was a little common-sense to stay more to the left when = negotiating=20 a turn. Sure...it jumped....but after the first couple of times I = became used=20 to it and treated it (in my imagination) as a bump on the track!</FONT> <P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Martinsville was less of a = problem, due to=20 the lower speeds through the turns.</FONT> <P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Incidentally....at 'dega the = jump occurred=20 about every 5 or 6 laps and at Martinsville about every 20 or so laps. = Does=20 this indicate it could be something on a timed loop in the = program?</FONT> <P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>With regard to the date = stamp....I consider=20 this to be non-event.....that is the way we tend to write the date = anyway!! =20 Good on yer, Sierra!! :-)</FONT> <P><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Bruce.<BR>&nbsp; <BR> &quot;But that was then....and this is now!&quot;<BR> (Murray Walker)<BR> Vegemite Racing:- = http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/vegemiteracing/index.htm<BR> Stunned Mullet:- <A=20 href=3D"http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/stunnedmullet/index.htm">http:/=/www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/stunnedmullet/index.htm</A></FONT></P> </BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_01BC52AD.C8E06420--

After reading about this problem I ran a 50% length race at Talladega and never once had this "jump to the right" occur. Have you tried a reinstalling NASCAR2 fresh and then patching it? Otherwise it may be a hardware issue. I'm running on a 200MHz Pentium Pro with an Intergraph Reactor (running the DMA version) and a SB32 PNP. I'm running in Windows95 with an ECCI wheel/pedal combo (also haven't had any problems with the wheel since the patch either). Unrelated hardware installed in my system: Adaptec 2940U PCI SCSI card and a Yamaha Waveforce card. On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 01:53:21 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

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>I too have experienced the "Rocky Horror Show" syndrome....the "jump to the right! >However, I completely disagree that it makes the patch unusable, having just completed a full-length race at Talladega and also at (to see if the "jump" was universal") Martinsville. All it took was a little common-sense to stay more to the left when negotiating a turn. Sure...it jumped....but after the first couple of times I became used to it and treated it (in my imagination) as a bump on the track! >Martinsville was less of a problem, due to the lower speeds through the turns. >Incidentally....at 'dega the jump occurred about every 5 or 6 laps and at Martinsville about every 20 or so laps. Does this indicate it could be something on a timed loop in the program? >With regard to the date stamp....I consider this to be non-event.....that is the way we tend to write the date anyway!! Good on yer, Sierra!! :-) >Bruce. >"But that was then....and this is now!" >(Murray Walker) >Vegemite Racing:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/vegemiteracing/index.htm >Stunned Mullet:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/stunnedmullet/index.htm

: Of course the patch was tested (though to be honest some things like the : date format can go unnoticed), but I have yet to experience any jerkyness : whatsoever in the steering. Same here, no jerkiness in steering with T1 & ACM card. I think the original poster indicated he had the 1.01 version. Could there be problems with this patch (mine was 1.00). Also, I tend to run N2 in DOS not through Win95. Could this also be part of the problem? -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

: > : > This is to touch base with anybody else who might be experiencing the : > same problems that I did not want to find. Some are minor. One is a : > disaster. : > : > MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to : > the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was : > not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each : > one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky : > every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem) : > This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is : > there now with the new nascar2exe file : I, and apparently a lot of other people have experienced this as well. : Letting Papy know about a bug is not whining or complaining and I'm sure : they are glad for tha input. I expect we will get some kind of response : about this very soon. Well I let N2 gather dust while I awaited the patch and moved on to other things. I haven't experienced the "jerking" to the right, but it does seem that steering is not as "clean, smooth and precise" as I recall it. I wonder if this isn't a side affect of the "cyrix" fix. I've noticed that not many people experiencing this haven't posted information on the system and whether they are running in DOS or Win95. Also whether they had the 1.00 N2 or the 1.01. Providing this kind of information is how Papyrus can quickly find the problem and a solution. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

: Myself and at least one other person I know also has the sudden "right : turn" blip. We experience it with direct modem as well as thru the internet : connections. The new "bump in the road" blip is ok, but I must say I don't : like the sudden right turn one. This isn't a old software problem, this is : a problem related to the new patch. Is this only encountered in Modem or Network play? Or is this a problem that has shown up in single play mode? If it's in multi-player mode we should see a fix "real soon now" as June is the projected start of NRO. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

has anyone tried to cal wheel in both win95 and in N2. Also I'v heard that you can delete the calibrating files and start over. (not sure which files ) I patched ver 1.0 and my T2 works great.

Sorry I forgot to mention that I deleted the Calib.val and controls.cfg prior to recalibrating , any way my controls (T2) work perfectly now. > I experienced the lurching effect also , but it went away after I >recalibrated from the main menu. Perhaps when you recalibrate it must >be done from the main menu? It seemed to remedy the problem for me.

I experienced the lurching effect also , but it went away after I recalibrated from the main menu. Perhaps when you recalibrate it must be done from the main menu? It seemed to remedy the problem for me.

Michael, I also believe that this "pot bug" is the result of the Cyrix fix. I experienced no problems with the game before the patch but now am having problems with the steering. The sudden "jerk" to the right is not a constant happening, it only occurs to me about every 9 laps and not in the same place on the track. It could happen while I'm running low or high in the turns, it could happen on the straights I just never know when. Before I installed the patch, I made sure I was going to install the correct one by double checking everything. I never changed any files in N2 so I figured this would be an easy fix, not so. Following the instruc- tions in the Readme I had the 3.2.2.0 version of N2. The "naspat0" would always quit loading at the nchrllte.dat. I deleted N2 and started over, again I would get the same result. After another fresh install I patched N2 with with the file for version 3.2.2.1, this file worked and now I have the "pot bug". Now, the "pot bug" could be the result of the Cyrix fix or it could be because I installed the patch for 3.2.2.1, which I don't have, but this patch is the only one that would work. No laughing but I have a Packard Bell P60 with 72 megs of 70ns non-parity RAM, Intergraph Reactor and Win95 not OSR2. Steering device is a T2 connected to port on Sound Blaster, settings at 220 IRQ 5 DMA 1. I run N2 through the RENDDMA batch file. Alan B. alanwee Late Night with Dave Series

I'm starting think that maybe the Win 95 vs. DOS think might be part of it. I've tried the patch (1.00 as well) in both and only experience the twitch in Win 95.

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> Same here, no jerkiness in steering with T1 & ACM card. I think the > original poster indicated he had the 1.01 version. Could there be > problems with this patch (mine was 1.00). Also, I tend to run N2 in DOS > not through Win95. Could this also be part of the problem? > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC53B6.0078C7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I cannot agree that the "jump" makes the patch unusable. Although I have experienced it on the tracks that I have raced on since installation (Talladega, Martinsville and Michigan) I became used to the movement and treated it as a "bump" on the track! I have noticed that it occurred more frequently at Martinsville than at Talladega or Michigan.....something to do with the length of the track? Incidentally...system is bog-standard intel P-100, 24Mb RAM, Sierra Screamin' 3-D card, T/master T1 wheel/pedal and I run Nascar2 (version 1) by doing a "restart in DOS mode" from Win95. The game has a full install and no other "patches" or "fixes" were applied prior to installing this patch. -- Bruce. "But that was then....and this is now!" (Guess who!) > On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 01:01:51 -0400 Ed Benson > : > > : > This is to touch base with anybody else who might be experiencing the > : > same problems that I did not want to find. Some are minor. One is a > : > disaster. > : > > : > MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to > : > the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was > : > not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each > : > one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky > : > every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem) > : > This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is > : > there now with the new nascar2exe file > : I, and apparently a lot of other people have experienced this as well. > : Letting Papy know about a bug is not whining or complaining and I'm sure > : they are glad for tha input. I expect we will get some kind of response > : about this very soon. > Well I let N2 gather dust while I awaited the patch and moved on to > other things. I haven't experienced the "jerking" to the right, but it > does seem that steering is not as "clean, smooth and precise" as I recall > it. I wonder if this isn't a side affect of the "cyrix" fix. I've > noticed that not many people experiencing this haven't posted information > on the system and whether they are running in DOS or Win95. Also > whether they had the 1.00 N2 or the 1.01. Providing this kind of > information is how Papyrus can quickly find the problem and a solution. > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------=_NextPart_000_01BC53B6.0078C7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#000080" face=3D"Comic Sans MS">I cannot agree that the = &quot;jump&quot; makes the patch unusable.<br>Although I have = experienced it on the tracks that I have raced on since installation = (Talladega, Martinsville and Michigan) I became used to the movement and = treated it as a &quot;bump&quot; on the track! &nbsp;I have noticed that = it occurred more frequently at Martinsville than at Talladega or = Michigan.....something to do with the length of the = track?<br><br>Incidentally...system is bog-standard intel P-100, 24Mb = RAM, Sierra Screamin' 3-D card, T/master T1 wheel/pedal and I run = Nascar2 (version 1) by doing a &quot;restart in DOS mode&quot; from = Win95.<br>The game has a full install and no other &quot;patches&quot; = or &quot;fixes&quot; were applied prior to installing this patch.<br>-- = <br>Bruce.<br>&quot;But that was then....and this is = now!&quot;<br>(Guess who!)<br><br><br><br><font = color=3D"#000000">Michael E. Carver &lt;<font = color=3D"#000000">&gt; wrote in article &lt;<font = color=3D"#000000">&gt;...<br>&gt; On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 01:01:51 -0400 Ed = Benson &lt;<font = <br>&gt; : &gt; This is to touch base with anybody else who might be = experiencing the<br>&gt; : &gt; same problems that I did not want to = find. Some are minor. One is a<br>&gt; : &gt; disaster.<br>&gt; : &gt; = <br>&gt; : &gt; MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a = *** jump to<br>&gt; : &gt; &nbsp;the right then returns. This is = intermittent. &nbsp;To make sure this was<br>&gt; : &gt; not a = potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each<br>&gt; : = &gt; one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was = jerky<br>&gt; : &gt; every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega = (not a track problem)<br>&gt; : &gt; This might vary somewhat from = computer to computer but the problem is<br>&gt; : &gt; there now = &nbsp;with the new nascar2exe file<br>&gt; <br>&gt; : I, and apparently = a lot of other people have experienced this as well.<br>&gt; : Letting = Papy know about a bug is not whining or complaining and I'm sure<br>&gt; = : they are glad for tha input. I expect we will get some kind of = response<br>&gt; : about this very soon.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Well I let N2 = gather dust while I awaited the patch and moved on to<br>&gt; other = things. &nbsp;I haven't experienced the &quot;jerking&quot; to the = right, but it<br>&gt; does seem that steering is not as &quot;clean, = smooth and precise&quot; as I recall<br>&gt; it. &nbsp;I wonder if this = isn't a side affect of the &quot;cyrix&quot; fix. &nbsp;I've<br>&gt; = noticed that not many people experiencing this haven't posted = information<br>&gt; on the system and whether they are running in DOS or = Win95. &nbsp;Also<br>&gt; whether they had the 1.00 N2 or the 1.01. = &nbsp;Providing this kind of<br>&gt; information is how Papyrus can = quickly find the problem and a solution.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; -- <br>&gt; = **************************** Michael E. Carver = *************************<br>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Upside = out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.<br>&gt; = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<font = &nbsp;&nbsp;<font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver [address restored]</u><font = color=3D"#000000"><br>&gt; = =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D&lt;[ /./. = &nbsp;[- &nbsp;&lt; = ]&gt;=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D<br>&gt; = </p> </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></f= ont></font></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_01BC53B6.0078C7C0--

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>MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to > the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was >not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each >one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky >every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem) >This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is >there now with the new nascar2exe file

Experienced exactly same problem .... RENDDMA with OSR2-FAT16 under DOS. * * * Descartes (1596-1650)

It's definitely there, and not ovweractive imagination. Will recal T2 and try again * * * Descartes (1596-1650)

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>MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to > the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was >not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each >one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky >every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem) >This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is >there now with the new nascar2exe file

Experienced exactly same problem .... RENDDMA with OSR2-FAT16 under DOS using TM T2. * * * Descartes (1596-1650)

About the quick right turn: R: My situation has been networked in '95. Q.B.M.

Sudden right trun: R: This won't do it in every case since I recalibrate all the time. Q.B.M.

The patch for 1.0 won't get past the "NCHRLTTE.DAT" file and says error, original file not found. Even after I copied the file again from the CD. Anyone know why?

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> >MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to > > the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was > >not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each > >one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky > >every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem) > >This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is > >there now with the new nascar2exe file

R: I want state I believe I have this as well. I was tinkering around with the Arcade network mode and felt it might just be Arcade. But I guess not I get this from time to time as well. If it's the program than this has to be fix #1. Q.B.M.

: >Someone else reported this problem to me and was able to fix it by : >re-calibrating the joystick interface. : It's definitely there, and not ovweractive imagination. Will recal T2 : and try again : I may have experienced it "once" out of the couple hundred laps at Talledega. It felt like I ran over a beer can, or that I got a gently tap on the right rear quarter panel. However, knock-on-sheet-metal, I'm one of the lucky ones and haven't had this problem. For all of those who say Papy didn't test out the patch. Come on, get real. They tested it. They just didn't have the right combination of hardware configurations to find this problem. Just think about how many different machines they would have to have to represent all of the combintions out there. And then all of the man hours on all of those machines. However, Papy still has a good track record for tracking down these problems. Look what happened when they finally decided to put out the effort still the "hand of god". While they may not always sit on the pole and finish first, they always finish in the top 10! Well, they may have dropped out of the race with ICR2, now that they don't have a future for CART sims. :-( -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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>For all of those who say Papy didn't test out the patch. Come on, get >real. They tested it. They just didn't have the right combination of >hardware configurations to find this problem. Just think about how many >different machines they would have to have to represent all of the >combintions out there. And then all of the man hours on all of those >machines. >However, Papy still has a good track record for tracking down these >problems. Look what happened when they finally decided to put out the >effort still the "hand of god". While they may not always sit on the >pole and finish first, they always finish in the top 10! Well, they >may have dropped out of the race with ICR2, now that they don't have a >future for CART sims. :-(

Thanks Michael ... I appreciate the vote of confidence, though I hope we can figure out how to close the loop a bit tighter in the future. Y'all out there are a really efficient quick testing service, but unfortunately the bug reports come after rather than before the release ... As for the HOG bug ... you might or might not recall, but that one was pretty much a personal crusade for me, which I solved only by enlisting assistance from a few hundred folks testing on Hawaii. I believe it will be easier to get the joystick problems resolved than it was to track down the HOG bug, though I can't promise it'll come as quick as you or I would like it to ... Charlie Heath / Papyrus

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> I'm starting think that maybe the Win 95 vs. DOS think might be part of > it. I've tried the patch (1.00 as well) in both and only experience the > twitch in Win 95. > > Same here, no jerkiness in steering with T1 & ACM card. I think the > > original poster indicated he had the 1.01 version. Could there be > > problems with this patch (mine was 1.00). Also, I tend to run N2 in DOS > > not through Win95. Could this also be part of the problem?

I've experienced it in DOS-mode (and with N2 dos installation). It was at Tally. I don't have a T2, so it's not because of it (like some poeple sayed). Thanks a lot, Good race at the Brickyard, (Old'Indytrack guy in rec.autos.simulators) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ =ymenard now!!! SPEED- http://www.nascarnet.com/~speed [===] Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve, | ! | And all you that thinks that Jacques Villeneuve is |!| from Canada, your right!! He's from St-Jean sur le |o| Richelieu, 30 minutes from Montreal, Quebec, Canada. [--I--] v Fran?ois Mnard "Wasupe LeGrand" May the force be with you, always!! Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!(for you French people) Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking)

Never mind. Played it a little more and it started doing it in DOS as well. > I'm starting think that maybe the Win 95 vs. DOS think might be part of > it. I've tried the patch (1.00 as well) in both and only experience the > twitch in Win 95.

The date problem that you are talking about is probably not a glitch. If this program is marketed in other countries (where they use the day/month/year method. It makes more sense to me) it was probably done on purpose. Just my comment. I haven't had any of the problems you guys have had though. Vincent Cosentino

: As for the HOG bug ... you might or might not recall, but that one was : pretty much a personal crusade for me, which I solved only by enlisting : assistance from a few hundred folks testing on Hawaii. I believe it will : be easier to get the joystick problems resolved than it was to track down : the HOG bug, though I can't promise it'll come as quick as you or I would : like it to ... Thanks for the might crusade to stamp HOG! No More Hog! No More Hog! As to a "fix" coming "quickly", it never has and it never will. We (and all of the folks at Papy) wanted it the day before yesterday. ;-) I'm really sorry so many people have this one real annoying problem with the patch. It seems to have left a very bad taste in some users' mouth. For those, just keep in mind, it was not an Oliver Stone ***. It was just God getting even for having had his "Hand" controlled by the Papy Gang! -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=