Installing N2 on New Computer with FAT 32

Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32. I have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk space error. I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is appreciated.... Thanks

>Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32. I >have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk >space error. I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is >appreciated.... Thanks I recently installed the OEM B version with FAT32. NASCAR 2 installed with no problem. If you can go to a DOS window or Windows Explorer see how much disk space the OS thinks you have free. They are either filled or you didn't set up your partitions correctly. OEM B will give you a problem is you try to run NASCAR 2 and have a comm port active. If a port is active, i.e. online racing, your joystick port will quit wrking within NASCAR 2. It's a known bug. --- Frank ---

>Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32. I >have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk >space error. I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is >appreciated.... Thanks Yea, N2 takes up 4gig total. Sounds like you need to delete some files.

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>>Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32. I >>have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk >>space error. I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is >>appreciated.... Thanks >Yea, N2 takes up 4gig total. Sounds like you need to delete some >files.

Huh?? Unless he has a CD-ROM the size of a Frizbee, I don't think so. Here's what I get after a full NASCAR 2 install, not including TEN. Total files listed: 499 file(s) 98,596,545 bytes --- Frank ---

>Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32. I >have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk >space error. I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is >appreciated.... Thanks I can't say for sure, but since 3.2 GB is larger than 2.1GB, which is largest amount of free space that can be represented in a signed 32-bit quantity, I'd bet that's the problem. (Can FAT32 partitions be greater than 2.1GB? [From your question, I presume so...]) Couple of solutions, just chew up disk space with some bogus file until you have less than 2.1 GB, then install, and then delete the bogus file. Install to another disk, and xcopy everything over. xcopy everything from the CD to the disk, or partition the disk into multiple partitions, each one smaller than 2.1 GB... ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

FAT32 supports single partitions of up to 2 terabytes, but more conveniently you can have a partition of up to 8GB while still only using 4kb clusters. Going from 32kb to 4kb clusters can free up about 20% of your previously wasted diskspace. --

>I can't say for sure, but since 3.2 GB is larger than 2.1GB, which is >largest amount of free space that can be represented in a signed >32-bit quantity, I'd bet that's the problem. (Can FAT32 partitions be >greater than 2.1GB? [From your question, I presume so...]) That's exactly what FAT32 does for you, Jim. It breaks a LOT of software. Dave Sparks IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html Hawaii Handle: davids

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>>I can't say for sure, but since 3.2 GB is larger than 2.1GB, which is >>largest amount of free space that can be represented in a signed >>32-bit quantity, I'd bet that's the problem. (Can FAT32 partitions be >>greater than 2.1GB? [From your question, I presume so...]) >That's exactly what FAT32 does for you, Jim. It breaks a LOT of software. >Dave Sparks >IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars >Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html >Hawaii Handle: davids

Hmm, it runs fine on my system and I run everthing from simulators to 3DCad to professional MIDI sequencing packages. Never had a problem with any of them using FAT32. --- Frank ---

Have FAT32 on my system and have NO problems at all with any of the existing software that I ran on FAT16 on the same system. I gained 125 meg on my 1.6 gig drive with the same amount of programs installed. Nascar Sim Shop http://user.mc.net/~n9ldx

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> >I can't say for sure, but since 3.2 GB is larger than 2.1GB, which is > >largest amount of free space that can be represented in a signed > >32-bit quantity, I'd bet that's the problem. (Can FAT32 partitions be > >greater than 2.1GB? [From your question, I presume so...]) > That's exactly what FAT32 does for you, Jim. It breaks a LOT of software. > Dave Sparks > IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars > Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html > Hawaii Handle: davids

>OEM B will give you a problem is you try to run NASCAR 2 and have a comm >port active. If a port is active, i.e. online racing, your joystick port will >quit working within NASCAR 2. It's a known bug. >--- Frank --- Thanks for the info, Frank ... it may have been a known bug to you, but it hadn't been confirmed to me (though I'd deduced it was likely from my knowledge of the joystick driver). Now, cross yer fingers, lets hope we can do something about it ... Charlie Heath Papyrus

Right, that's because you never had a program check to see how much free space there was and get back an answer greater than 2.1GB (which if you represent that in an int32, becomes a negative number and the program thinks there isn't any space left...) This particular mis-feature only arises when a partition has more than 2.1GB of free space on it... ---Jim Sokoloff

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> >Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32. I > >have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk > >space error. I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is > >appreciated.... Thanks > I can't say for sure, but since 3.2 GB is larger than 2.1GB, which is > largest amount of free space that can be represented in a signed > 32-bit quantity, I'd bet that's the problem. (Can FAT32 partitions be > greater than 2.1GB? [From your question, I presume so...]) > Couple of solutions, just chew up disk space with some bogus file > until you have less than 2.1 GB, then install, and then delete the > bogus file. Install to another disk, and xcopy everything over. xcopy > everything from the CD to the disk, or partition the disk into > multiple partitions, each one smaller than 2.1 GB... > ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

Yep, FAT 32 breaks the 2.1GB limit. However, I doubt that this is his problem. The FAT chain pretty much lays out where and how data will be stored within a partition. -Pat

On Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:27:17 +0000, Patrick Wooley >Yep, FAT 32 breaks the 2.1GB limit. However, I doubt that this is his >problem. The FAT chain pretty much lays out where and how data will be >stored within a partition. Sorry, I wasn't precise enough in my explanation. If an older program asks for the disk free space, and gets back an answer greater than 2.1GB (but less than 4.2GB), it is quite possible that that older program stores that number in a signed 32-bit integer. That number is interpreted as negative, and therefore the question "Is there at least 100MB free (for example)?" will compare 100MB to some negative number and the answer will be "No, there's not enough space..." To non-programmers, this probably sounds like the most sh*%-off stupid thing you've ever heard, but that's the problem. The "solution" is to temporarily get the free space under 2.1GB (by chewing up disk space with bogus file(s)), installing, and then deleting the bogus file(s). (And, in defense of every programmer who has this bug in their code, in the pre-FAT-32 days, this was completely SAFE, since you'd never get an answer back that was too large...) ---Jim Sokoloff

Yes, but you don't have a partition that's larger than 2GB. That's where the problems come in. Dave Sparks IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html Hawaii Handle: davids

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> >Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32. I > >have tried to install on my new computer and have gotten a out of disk > >space error. I have 3.2 gig of free space........Any advise is > >appreciated.... Thanks > Yea, N2 takes up 4gig total. Sounds like you need to delete some > files.

I've read some of you posts and you think your real funny.

Could anyone who has a Dell XPS 200mhz mmx computer system give me any info on how well N2 installed and also if there were any problems with calibrating wheel/pedals using W95 version B? I take it these are two separate problems? I am planning on buying this system. Thanks Keith

I have been running N2 with FAT 32 and have had no problems. > > >Has anyone had problems installing Nascar 2 on system with FAT 32.

N2 should install fine, as no vendor that I know of is shipping their systems with FAT32 enabled. Even if it is enabled (though highly unlikely) you'd need over 2.1GB free on the drive to potentially cause problems. As far as the controls go, its really a case by case situation. Hopefully Papy will figure it out and give everyone not as fortunate as me (I'm one of the small minority who's wheel works with OSR2). --

On the contary. I know 3 people with over 2 gig partitions and they have no problem running ICR2 or Nascar 1&2. The only problem one of them encountered was the Matrox Millinium card in GP2 running the older bios caused the pc speaker to make weird nosie. After downloading the new bios everything has been perfect Nascar Sim Shop http://user.mc.net/~n9ldx > >Have FAT32 on my system and have NO problems at all with any of the > >existing software that I ran on FAT16 on the same system. I gained 125 meg

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> >on my 1.6 gig drive with the same amount of programs installed. > Yes, but you don't have a partition that's larger than 2GB. That's where > the problems come in. > Dave Sparks > IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars > Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html > Hawaii Handle: davids

I was planning on running in the NROS and thought you had to run through W95 in order to do this. Perhaps I am mistaken?? Keith

You do. What's the concern? --

Thanks JD > >Do you know if there is someone working on this bug or can I kiss the NRO

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> >goodbye or should I just reinstall the old Win95! > You have an option of NOT using FAT32 in OSR2!! Try using Partition > Magic.. You can change partitions and FATs on the fly without > refdisking.. > take care > Julian "Mr. Turtle" Data > IVGA Member 0004 > The N2 "SkunksWorks" is in progress > Verite/3DFX owner

JD,I want some info on your Mustang project!!!!

> May I ask you a question?? Why Dell?? What's your budget?? What's the proble with buying a Dell computer????? They are one of the 5 best PC companies in the world and classed in the 100 best organised company (all types) in the world. They're always doing things before everybody (like Gw2k) and they have a really competitive price. And the consommer support is the best of all (as with Papyrus [-: ). If I would have the choice between a Dell and a IBM or Compaq, I would take 100% a Dell. Thanks a lot. I'm NOT saying that other companies are scrap. So don't flame me. Thanks a lot, Good race at the Brickyard, (Old'Indytrack guy in rec.autos.simulators) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ =ymenard now!!! SPEED- http://www.nascarnet.com/~speed [===] Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve, | ! | And all you that thinks that Jacques Villeneuve is |!| from Canada, your right!! He's from St-Jean sur le |o| Richelieu, 30 minutes from Montreal, Quebec, Canada. [--I--] v Fran?ois Mnard "Wasupe LeGrand" May the force be with you, always!! Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!(for you French people) Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking)

You can get a much better system (both faster and cheaper) by buying the individual parts yourself and building your own. Pre-configured systems are great for some people, but not if you want the most bang for your buck. --

> > What's the proble with buying a Dell computer????? They are one of > > the 5 best PC companies in the world and classed in the 100 best [snip] > You can get a much better system (both faster and cheaper) by buying > the individual parts yourself and building your own. Pre-configured > systems are great for some people, but not if you want the most bang > for your buck. I agree and disagree. A computer is more than just the sum of its parts. Buying/using all the best parts may not yield the fastest computer. Some components just work better together. In fact, this is why most IBM PC manufacturers (sadly) are basically just technicians who have to fiddle around with different setups to find the best 'overall' system. It's true that you can probably save money with parts, since you won't have to pay as much for bigger companies' advertising and support. However, as a single user, you don't have the facility to test all possible combinations of components and subsytems. I have great respect for the value/quality of Dell and Micron systems; IMHO, they are a much, much better value than Compaq, Packard Bell, or Gateway 2000. I can assemble a computer from scratch as well, but I don't since I don't have the time or patience. (plus, not needing to worry about some parts company trying to rip you off) Mail-ordering is the way to go, and you can customize systems from Dell and the others. Plus, next-day delivery of a screwy component that fails (not because of user error) is great. That way your work (or ***) won't be interrupted for too long. Besides, a lot of the savings from buying components is actually illegal since those companies are probably selling you OEM versions; Dell and the others are using OEM components legally. Not that I care about legalities, but just to make a point. Liang Yin