N2: NRO...

Just wanted to find out how many people are actually going to run in NRO. I know I won't get an ACTUAL number, but just wanting to get an idea. How will this thing work...? Will I have to hook up to my ISP, and then through the TEN software; or what? I'm just confused as to how all these connections are made. And what is Concentric? Is it yet ANOTHER service I'll have to subscribe to, on top of my ISP and TEN...? Will this cost be an hourly charge, or what? I was reading in Sierra's magazine that "quarterly championship races will be held on Saturdays..." Do they realize that most of us lead a somewhat NORMAL life on Saturdays...? Or what about us guys that race (or at least work on) REAL Late Models on Saturday nights...AT A NASCAR-SANCTIONED TRACK???

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> Just wanted to find out how many people are actually going to run in > NRO. I know I won't get an ACTUAL number, but just wanting to get an > idea. > How will this thing work...? Will I have to hook up to my ISP, and > then through the TEN software; or what? I'm just confused as to how all > these connections are made. And what is Concentric? Is it yet ANOTHER > service I'll have to subscribe to, on top of my ISP and TEN...? Will > this cost be an hourly charge, or what? > I was reading in Sierra's magazine that "quarterly championship races > will be held on Saturdays..." Do they realize that most of us lead a > somewhat NORMAL life on Saturdays...? Or what about us guys that race > (or at least work on) REAL Late Models on Saturday nights...AT A > NASCAR-SANCTIONED TRACK???

I plan on racing in the NRO myself and I with am currently a member of TEN. If things stay how they are now with TEN you would connect to TEN via your ISP. Concentric is the ISP that lets TEN run on it's lines. TEN advertises that you'll a better connection and lesser latency by using Concentric as your ISP. Problem is that they are not nation wide, so they could be a problem for some people. As for the saturday thing, I would give up a Saturday or 5 if I am lucky enuogh to be running for the championship. I'll just go out on friday nights 8). As an aside how did you get into running late models? I would like to do that myself. Thanks 'Ole Obi-Wan

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To race NRO you will only need your existing ISP and a hookup to TEN. Ten offers different price plans. Myself, I plan on racing a lot once NRO starts so I opted for the monthly flat fee with TEN. If you think you will only race once or twice a week you may want to get the hourly rate. As for Concentric, that is nothing more then an Online Service and you probably will not need to sign on with them. Your ISP should be good enough. Ten recommends Concentric because they claim that Concentric servers will be better prepared to handle the intensive graphics requirement of NRO while keeping the latency rate low. Hope this helps. -- Have a good day!

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> To race NRO you will only need your existing ISP and a hookup to TEN. > Ten offers different price plans. Myself, I plan on racing a lot once > NRO starts so I opted for the monthly flat fee with TEN. If you think > you will only race once or twice a week you may want to get the hourly > rate. As for Concentric, that is nothing more then an Online Service > and you probably will not need to sign on with them. Your ISP should be > good enough. Ten recommends Concentric because they claim that > Concentric servers will be better prepared to handle the intensive > graphics requirement of NRO while keeping the latency rate low. Hope > this helps. > -- > Have a good day!

================================================================== Haines: Give us a break... PAPYRUS even says INTERNET wont work, By using CONCENTRIC you save $.95 cents an hour surcharge and you better be prepared to use long distance phones calls to reach an enhanced server... Don Wilshe, IVGA...

I would LOVE to race in NRO...but they insist on "credit cards only". Sorry, I don't do credit cards. I would be happy to do direct withdrawal or pay in advance with a substantial deposit, but apparently TEN can't be bothered with those of us who prefer not to enrich the credit card companies. Papyrus, are you listening? Lots of "pay-per-minute" online services manage to offer alternatives to credit cards. Any chance you can get TEN to change their policies? Dave Bird | The Universe is mostly made up of St. Petersburg, Florida USA | mutually exclusive opposites that Reply-To address modified in an obvious way to discourage e-spam.

Dave, Thanks for the info. I don't do credit cards either. Too much paperwork IMO. I pay for my ISP by cash (they're only about 5 miles away...much faster than by mail too). Well, I think that someone needs to look into this, and if they want my money to run NRO, then I need an alternative way to pay. I'm sure MANY others feel the same.

The Sierra Catalog Interactor has a very good article on the NROS. Basically you'll have a week to complete a race against other league members. Many races will be availablel to run so the fact you work or have other things to do won't matter. Two results thrown out and then after totallying the scores, the top four will join other top fours for a run-off. Dave Henrie

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> snip snip, > > > Just wanted to find out how many people are actually going to run in > > > NRO. I know I won't get an ACTUAL number, but just wanting to get an > > > idea. > MotorCity Fast-Draft Racing will be campaigning a two car team with > Tim Daley and David Burton. > -- > ::::::::#########::::::::::David Burton aka Vetteracer > :########################::http://www.rust.net/~daland > ########################:::"You have to first finish, > :::::::#########:::::::::::before finishing first" > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

YOU Know it PARTNER!!! -- Best Regards Tim Daley _______________________________________________________ "Q: What does an dyslexic agnostic insomniac do at night? A: Lies awake at night wondering if there really is a dog!"

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> The Sierra Catalog Interactor has a very good article on the NROS. > Basically you'll have a week to complete a race against other league > members. Many races will be availablel to run so the fact you work or > have other things to do won't matter. Two results thrown out and then > after totallying the scores, the top four will join other top fours > for a run-off. > Dave Henrie

I READ that; where do you think I got that info from? I was talking about the fact that the championship series (the 5-week series) HAD to be run on a Saturday. I spend a lot of time preparing a Late Model Stock car for our local NASCAR-sanctioned track, which happens to run on Saturday nights. I don't wanna be in a points chase at both the NRO and the local track, only to give up my NRO slot because I have to work on REAL car to keep IT in the hunt....

With all due respect, there is no single time that could be chosen such that every single human on the N2-driving planet could participate. No matter what was chosen, some subset of the population was bound to be excluded. It's unfortunate that your real life racing efforts may preclude a championship bid, but if NRO "fixed" it for you, it'd become "broken" for someone else. ---Jim Sokoloff

Jim, with all due respect, how do you know that by "fixing" Saturday nights, you're not hurting a majority instead of a minority? Just curious...

>>It's unfortunate that your real life racing efforts may preclude a >>championship bid, but if NRO "fixed" it for you, it'd become "broken" >>for someone else. >Jim, with all due respect, how do you know that by "fixing" Saturday >nights, you're not hurting a majority instead of a minority? Just >curious... I don't, and I didn't mean to claim to. I didn't make that decision. I presume that whomever made the decision did some investigating and didn't just pick some arbitrary time from a dartboard. ---Jim Sokoloff

For the record I would state a weekday Mon-Thu would be a better choice since people tend to do more on the weekends especially during the summer months. I know for one I won't be able to be there as much on a weekend as I would be a weekday. But then again I'm still trying to figure out how in the heck I'm gonna connect to NRO to begin with. Q.B.M.

Are you sure they couldn't look into making it Sunday afternoon??? That's my weekly punishment time.... how you say? Have to visit the in-laws:). Thanks for the response.

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>>I don't, and I didn't mean to claim to. I didn't make that decision. I >>presume that whomever made the decision did some investigating and >>didn't just pick some arbitrary time from a dartboard. >>---Jim Sokoloff >Are you sure they couldn't look into making it Sunday afternoon??? >That's my weekly punishment time.... how you say? >Have to visit the in-laws:). Thanks for the response.

Eek, the inlaws! :> Actually, Sunday aft wouldn't be good for many, since most of us would likely be watching the real-life races we do our best to simulate online. Bill.

Why not a Sunday night? I'd like to see a poll on this one...I can understand the fact that you didn't make the decision, Jim, but who can we write to, to try and change it?

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> > With all due respect, there is no single time that could be chosen > > such that every single human on the N2-driving planet could > > participate. No matter what was chosen, some subset of the population > > was bound to be excluded. > > It's unfortunate that your real life racing efforts may preclude a > > championship bid, but if NRO "fixed" it for you, it'd become "broken" > > for someone else. > > ---Jim Sokoloff > Why not a Sunday night? I'd like to see a poll on this one...I can > understand the fact that you didn't make the decision, Jim, but who can > we write to, to try and change it?

I would have to agree that saturdays would tend to be a bad time for major races to be held. As the weather gets nicer people tend to have a little more to do in the way of real life duties. I would like nothing better than to race 24 hours a day but my spouse doesn't have the same feelings. I'm not sure how it works but sometimes I think she would rather i was seeing another woman. In my opinion (for what it's worth) a weekday night would be better. Most of us race series at that time and most people tend to be able to arrange their schedule.

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> I would have to agree that saturdays would tend to be a bad time for > major races to be held. As the weather gets nicer people tend to have a > little more to do in the way of real life duties. I would like nothing > better than to race 24 hours a day but my spouse doesn't have the same > feelings. I'm not sure how it works but sometimes I think she would > rather i was seeing another woman. In my opinion (for what it's worth) a > weekday night would be better. Most of us race series at that time and > most people tend to be able to arrange their schedule.

OK, ok....new poll...How many of you DIE-HARD sim racers would rather race on a weeknight...? This is concerning the championship races, which, according to Sierra's "InterAction" magazine, WILL be held on Saturday nights. Most of us lead a somewhat "normal" life on the weekends. I tend to agree with Mike here on this one; the wives and girlfriends (and in the case of female racers, the hubbys and boyfriends) may not be too happy about spending Saturday night watch their significant other race on the computer. And in my case (and others, from what I hear), I have to keep a REAL Late Model Stock in championship hunt at a local NASCAR-sanctioned track on Saturdays. So, let's hear it from you RACERS out there: Post here and e-mail the hell out of Sierra/Papyrus/TEN!!!!

Just a thought, but I suspect that if you qualify as a "DIE-HARD sim racer" then there would be no option - NRO comes before family, period ;-)) I just wish that I could take part :((( Cheers, Richard

I will Race any night...lets just get it going

> Just wanted to find out how many people are actually going to run in > NRO. I know I won't get an ACTUAL number, but just wanting to get an > idea. Well... Team Menard, Inc (Yes like in IRL) will put out a one driver team with Francois Menard as they're driver #1 and Wasupe LeGrand as their setup builder tester. They will kick the b*tt of everybody on NRO like in IRL. Go Tony Stewart!!! Also, will NRO be accessible for non-U.S. resident, ie Canada ????. I hope yes. Thanks a lot, Good race at the Brickyard, (Old'Indytrack guy in rec.autos.simulators) [===] Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve, | ! | And all you that thinks that Jacques Villeneuve is |!| from Canada, your right!! He's from St-Jean sur le |o| Richelieu, 30 minutes from Montreal, Quebec, Canada. [--I--] v Fran?ois Mnard "Wasupe LeGrand" Nien Numb in the National Star Wars League(X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter league) http://www.dakotacom.net/~strange/ http://www.geocities.com/area51/vault/2804/index.html http://www.starwars.com/ Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition,N2,Gp2,Icr2.How can my life be better? May the force be with you, always!! Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!(for you French people) Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking)