Jim, PLEASE give us a % done for the patch...

Could you PLEASE give us a percent-done number for the Nascar2 patch?? Just say 20% done, 50% done, 80% done?? I'm not asking for a date, so you're not really flame-able if you don't make the date, people won't know how long it takes to do 40% of the patch... WE (I) NEED TO KNOW!!!! hehehe, please? Thanks,

Just forget it hes not going to tell you.It shouldnt take that long though.I mean there are allot of games out there that had allot worst bugs than Nascar2 but they allready have patches out. I think Papy is to busy working on that obsolete antique legends sim.I could care less about a 1967 era sim or what ever it is untill Nascar2 is fixed.

On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:16:22 -0600, David Otterness >Could you PLEASE give us a percent-done number for the Nascar2 patch?? >Just say 20% done, 50% done, 80% done?? I'm not asking for a date, so >you're not really flame-able if you don't make the date, people won't >know how long it takes to do 40% of the patch... WE (I) NEED TO KNOW!!!! >hehehe, please? Thanks, Give Jim a break - the guy does a great job answering our questions. In any project it ain't done until its done - just cross your legs and exercise sphincter control until Papyrus say their next dose of awesomeness is good and ready.

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> On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:16:22 -0600, David Otterness > >Could you PLEASE give us a percent-done number for the Nascar2 patch?? > >Just say 20% done, 50% done, 80% done?? I'm not asking for a date, so > >you're not really flame-able if you don't make the date, people won't > >know how long it takes to do 40% of the patch... WE (I) NEED TO KNOW!!!! > >hehehe, please? Thanks, > Give Jim a break - the guy does a great job answering our questions. > In any project it ain't done until its done - just cross your legs and > exercise sphincter control until Papyrus say their next dose of > awesomeness is good and ready.

Well, if their next dose of "awesomeness" is as buggy as their current dose of "awesomeness", I don't think it'll be too "awesome"..

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> > Could you PLEASE give us a percent-done number for the Nascar2 patch?? > > Just say 20% done, 50% done, 80% done?? I'm not asking for a date, so > > you're not really flame-able if you don't make the date, people won't > > know how long it takes to do 40% of the patch... WE (I) NEED TO KNOW!!!! > > hehehe, please? Thanks, > Just forget it hes not going to tell you.It shouldnt take that long > though.I mean there are allot of games out there that had allot worst bugs > than Nascar2 but they allready have patches out. I think Papy is to busy > working on that obsolete antique legends sim.I could care less about a 1967 > era sim or what ever it is untill Nascar2 is fixed.

I agree totally, but I see a trend forming here.. release a new game of a different racing genre, forget about and ignore all the past projects.. They shouldn't (IMO) even start the F1 sim until they fix the bugs in N2, and ICR2, even though ICR2 is out of the question now..

On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:01:18 -0600, David Otterness

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>> Just forget it hes not going to tell you.It shouldnt take that long >> though.I mean there are allot of games out there that had allot worst bugs >> than Nascar2 but they allready have patches out. I think Papy is to busy >> working on that obsolete antique legends sim.I could care less about a 1967 >> era sim or what ever it is untill Nascar2 is fixed. >I agree totally, but I see a trend forming here.. release a new game of >a different racing genre, forget about and ignore all the past >projects.. They shouldn't (IMO) even start the F1 sim until they fix the >bugs in N2, and ICR2, even though ICR2 is out of the question now..

That's your opinion, and of course you're entitled to it. I can point out though that the resources currently being utilized on the NASCAR 2 patch are not conflicting with the other projects. (Papyrus is too big now to play the game of software development like 8 year olds play soccer, with everyone running after the ball in a big gaggle.) The work on the patch is able to go on in parallel with the upcoming projects. ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

Enough of the BS Jim. Why skirt the issue? He asked for a ***ing %

On 16 Mar 1997 05:40:29 GMT, "Richard Manning" <richie15 >> The work on the patch is able to go on in parallel with the upcoming >> projects. >Enough of the BS Jim. Why skirt the issue? He asked for a ***ing % My, my, could you send me a brochure from the latest Dale Carnegie seminar you attended; I should probably attend one so I can be more pleasant to deal with... Why skirt the issue? Take the following multiple choice test (mark all that apply) a) It's not my job to announce release dates of our products or patches. b) That responsibility falls on management and PR at Papyrus and Sierra. c) They've elected to release no information regarding the release date of the N2 patch at this time. d) It's part of my job to respect that election. How to calculate your score: Give yourself 25% for each answer you've marked. Hope you got a 100% done, uh I mean right. ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

If you don't like it, don't play it. I hardly think that N2's current very minor bugs detract much from the sheer good fun to be had. You got a bad dose of negative attitude, fella.

Bravo Jim, It appears that some, just dont seem to get it. -- John Twitchell I'm lost and I've gone to look for myself. > On 16 Mar 1997 05:40:29 GMT, "Richard Manning" <richie15 much snipped

> Enough of the BS Jim. Why skirt the issue? He asked for a ***ing % Why dont you give Jim a break??? He's active on this Newsgroup on his own time.....He's been quite a bit of help to the non-whiners here... In a sense Jim is a volunteer, and for those of us that have real jobs, can appreciate the amount of extra effort it takes to volunteer thier free time. N2 has some bugs but is an improvement over N1... and I would imagine a lot of work is being put in the "patch" so that when the NRO goes online it will be as smooth and bug free as possible. If you don't like N2 then take it up with Sierra Customer Support.. Not Jim. -- ::::::::#########::::::::::David Burton aka Vetteracer :########################::http://www.rust.net/~daland ########################:::"You have to first finish, :::::::#########:::::::::::before finishing first" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Looks like you don't get it.If the customers don't get it then Papy don't get.Got it!

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> >Well, if their next dose of "awesomeness" is as buggy as their current > >dose of "awesomeness", I don't think it'll be too "awesome".. > If you don't like it, don't play it. > I hardly think that N2's current very minor bugs detract much from the > sheer good fun to be had. > You got a bad dose of negative attitude, fella.

No, he has a bad dose of negative attitude in his wallet for paying sixty bucks for an unfinished game,fella.

Finished or no, it's worth a damn sight more than 60 bucks. Racing sims are the only computer software that see me constantly returning to the PC for more. Comparing them to other programs or other leisure activities the top three sims are all incredible value for money <g> I suggest that you and all the other whiners look at what you have got, rather than bemoaning what you do not have. Cheers, Richard

>Finished or no, it's worth a damn sight more than 60 bucks. >I suggest that you and all the other whiners look at what you have got, >rather than bemoaning what you do not have. I second that emotion !

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> > Enough of the BS Jim. Why skirt the issue? He asked for a ***ing % > Why dont you give Jim a break??? He's active on this Newsgroup on > his own time.....He's been quite a bit of help to the non-whiners > here... > In a sense Jim is a volunteer, and for those of us that have real > jobs, can appreciate the amount of extra effort it takes to > volunteer thier free time. > N2 has some bugs but is an improvement over N1... and I would imagine > a lot of work is being put in the "patch" so that when the NRO goes > online it will be as smooth and bug free as possible. If you don't > like N2 then take it up with Sierra Customer Support.. Not Jim. > --

Ditto, the patch will be done when they announce it's release. Give it a rest. If you don't like the game then take it back and exchange it for Duke Nukem or something......... Sorry but this is old. I appreciate the fact that there are some "flaws" in the game that need to be repaired, but it is a huge improvement over N1 and all will be made right in good time. Jim appreciate all the time you spend here, please don't stop! Mick in Tampa -- Mike Schreiner [link lost in import] #3 = #8 in '97!!!!!!!!!!!!

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> >Well, if their next dose of "awesomeness" is as buggy as their current > >dose of "awesomeness", I don't think it'll be too "awesome".. > If you don't like it, don't play it. > I hardly think that N2's current very minor bugs detract much from the > sheer good fun to be had. > You got a bad dose of negative attitude, fella.

Here's a list of some of the so-called "minor" bugs in N2, and I know of some more.. Maybe if you have a 4837 mhz computer, you might not experience akk the bugs, but all of us aren't rich and spoiled like you Mr. Barham... from Dave Sparks' Nascar 2 FAQ at [link lost in import] Thanks Dave... BUG LIST ======== - Install corrupts Internet Explorer setup - Can't load setups with minimal install - No qualifying setups for some tracks with Windows install - AI pitting problems at Atlanta after a yellow - F1 screen doesn't update if F1 is pressed before first lap is complete - Spotter says "Stay low" constantly during pace lap when spotter level is set to "Full" - Spotter stops calling out lap times if you hit the wall just before crossing the start/finish line - Spotter goes crazy after a big wreck, saying "Go low" "Go high" constantly - Spotter gives bogus "Pass the #nn car" message after exiting the pits - LF Camber is off in setup screen when set to 0.0 - Weight distribution is displayed incorrectly after certain setup changes - Frame rate is awful at Martinsville - Screen options are reset to SVGA before each race - Noticeable pause coming out of Turn 4 on some tracks - Dialup player starts inside an AI car in Multiplayer - Player's car towed off track without warning in Multiplayer - Dialup player cannot tow properly in Multiplayer - Dialup player hangs when max opponents set to 38 in Multiplayer - Dialup player locks up when exiting race in Multiplayer - Some DSVD modems don't work because baud rate is limited to 19.2 - Get "Can't initialize modem" or "Can't initialize IPX card" when the MULTI.LST file is not present There's the bug list, any more ***ings about N2's "very minor" bugs???

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>BUG LIST >======== >- Install corrupts Internet Explorer setup >- Can't load setups with minimal install >- No qualifying setups for some tracks with Windows install >- AI pitting problems at Atlanta after a yellow >- F1 screen doesn't update if F1 is pressed before first lap is complete >- Spotter says "Stay low" constantly during pace lap when spotter > level is set to "Full" >- Spotter stops calling out lap times if you hit the wall just before crossing > the start/finish line >- Spotter goes crazy after a big wreck, saying "Go low" "Go high" constantly >- Spotter gives bogus "Pass the #nn car" message after exiting the pits >- LF Camber is off in setup screen when set to 0.0 >- Weight distribution is displayed incorrectly after certain setup changes >- Frame rate is awful at Martinsville >- Screen options are reset to SVGA before each race >- Noticeable pause coming out of Turn 4 on some tracks >- Dialup player starts inside an AI car in Multiplayer >- Player's car towed off track without warning in Multiplayer >- Dialup player cannot tow properly in Multiplayer >- Dialup player hangs when max opponents set to 38 in Multiplayer >- Dialup player locks up when exiting race in Multiplayer >- Some DSVD modems don't work because baud rate is limited to 19.2 >- Get "Can't initialize modem" or "Can't initialize IPX card" when > the MULTI.LST file is not present >There's the bug list, any more ***ings about N2's "very minor" bugs???

That's It??? Wow, I thought from the way guys were talking that there were alot more bugs than that. Heck, that wouldn't even fill a page on my note pad. Considering the thousands upon thousands of lines of code they got in there in addition to the fact that it must work with many different software and hardware configurations, I'd have to say that list ain't all that bad for the pre patched version. BTW, Sierra's (or Microsoft IExplorer's) install problem has been fixed. I'd like to see a patch and some improvements too, but I must admit that they have done a great job with auto racing sims so far. Member - Hawaii Ace League http://www.dithots.org/hal

No one is saying its not a good sim.But when your in the pits after running 400 laps and some idiot AI car rams you and tears your car up.Its things like that that gets me.It doesnt happen sometimes its every time.Same thing at tally.I like the game I play it all the time.last heard though its still a free internet and I am free to express my feeling on it if I feel like it.I am a customer to you know.

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> >BUG LIST > >======== > >- Install corrupts Internet Explorer setup > >- Can't load setups with minimal install > >- No qualifying setups for some tracks with Windows install > >- AI pitting problems at Atlanta after a yellow > >- F1 screen doesn't update if F1 is pressed before first lap is complete > >- Spotter says "Stay low" constantly during pace lap when spotter > > level is set to "Full" > >- Spotter stops calling out lap times if you hit the wall just before

crossing > > the start/finish line > >- Spotter goes crazy after a big wreck, saying "Go low" "Go high" constantly > >- Spotter gives bogus "Pass the #nn car" message after exiting the pits > >- LF Camber is off in setup screen when set to 0.0 > >- Weight distribution is displayed incorrectly after certain setup changes

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> >- Frame rate is awful at Martinsville > >- Screen options are reset to SVGA before each race > >- Noticeable pause coming out of Turn 4 on some tracks > >- Dialup player starts inside an AI car in Multiplayer > >- Player's car towed off track without warning in Multiplayer > >- Dialup player cannot tow properly in Multiplayer > >- Dialup player hangs when max opponents set to 38 in Multiplayer > >- Dialup player locks up when exiting race in Multiplayer > >- Some DSVD modems don't work because baud rate is limited to 19.2 > >- Get "Can't initialize modem" or "Can't initialize IPX card" when > > the MULTI.LST file is not present > >There's the bug list, any more ***ings about N2's "very minor" bugs??? > That's It??? Wow, I thought from the way guys were talking that there > were alot more bugs than that. Heck, that wouldn't even fill a page on > my note pad. Considering the thousands upon thousands of lines of code > they got in there in addition to the fact that it must work with many > different software and hardware configurations, I'd have to say that > list ain't all that bad for the pre patched version. BTW, Sierra's (or > Microsoft IExplorer's) install problem has been fixed. > I'd like to see a patch and some improvements too, but I must admit that > they have done a great job with auto racing sims so far. > Member - Hawaii Ace League http://www.dithots.org/hal

> > No, he has a bad dose of negative attitude in his wallet for paying sixty

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> >bucks for an unfinished game,fella. > Finished or no, it's worth a damn sight more than 60 bucks. > Racing sims are the only computer software that see me constantly > returning to the PC for more. Comparing them to other programs or other > leisure activities the top three sims are all incredible value for money > <g> > I suggest that you and all the other whiners look at what you have got, > rather than bemoaning what you do not have. > Cheers, > Richard

Well let's see what I have Oh yes,an unfinished game is what I have.Every one doesn't have daddy there to shell out the bucks every time baby boy starts crying.

No program is ever finished, ask any programmer. There are always things you want to add, change, tweak, etc. So crying "I bought an unfinished program" is true 100% of the time. Whenever someone in the Quake newsgroups (or in efnet #quake) asks when an upcoming patch/program/whatever will be released, the standard answer is "two weeks." So just keep telling yourself you'll see the N2 patch in two weeks, so when it comes out you'll be pleasantly suprised. -- The email address in the header is fake. To send me mail, use mjhaidu(AT)ilstu.edu (I typed it that way so my address isn't anywhere in the message.) If that's too difficult, don't bother writing me.

>No one is saying its not a good sim.But when your in the pits after >running 400 laps and some idiot AI car rams you and tears your car >up. Its things like that that gets me.It doesnt happen sometimes its >every time Hmm... I haven't had time to run long races yet. That would bug me too (if it happened often). Your point is well taken. I had the same problem with Bill Elliot's Nascar Challenge. It was so frustrating that the game wasn't worth playing. Yes, I agree 100% (except the internet is not free for me<G>). I am sorry if I gave the impression that I thought people shouldn't speak thier minds. I was just posting my opinion, which BTW, is subject to change without notice ;-) Member Hawaii Ace League http://www.dithots.org/hal

Yes, it's a free internet, speech-wise, but you don't have to be an *** about it. (referring to your response to Richard Walker). And whether you like it or not, Papyrus does not owe you or anyone else a patch. The "unfinished" game was quite finished by any reasonable standard you wish to apply, ie the ***you get from any other software manufacturer. You are, of course, free to demand a refund as a less than satisfied customer, and it is certainly in Papyrus' best interest to release a patch, but no one owes you a patch, and you don't have to be an ***. Just my $.02. --Marcus <snip>

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>> > No, he has a bad dose of negative attitude in his wallet for paying >sixty >> >bucks for an unfinished game,fella. >> Finished or no, it's worth a damn sight more than 60 bucks. >> Racing sims are the only computer software that see me constantly >> returning to the PC for more. Comparing them to other programs or other >> leisure activities the top three sims are all incredible value for money >> <g> >> I suggest that you and all the other whiners look at what you have got, >> rather than bemoaning what you do not have. >> Cheers, >> Richard >Well let's see what I have Oh yes,an unfinished game is what I have.Every >one doesn't have daddy there to shell out the bucks every time baby boy >starts crying.

Hi Marcus, Your 2 cents are noted. I tend to disagree that we are not owed a patch to fix any features of NCR2 that do not match those advertised or claimed. Things like the lack of a save game feature have been left out and have been requested by the users. No they dont owe us that feature. But using ICR2 as an example, before the patch (that took almost 12 months to arrive) the game was unplayable if you wanted to race with yellow flags on. That made the game pretty shoddy to me. It sat on the shelf. If we accepted products if they are measured by the worst ***from any other standards .. then we are not getting what we paid for nor expected. As you state: I think the people in this NG sometimes forget how great these simulations are. I know nothing about programming and have admiration for people who can put me in a racing car to race the circuits of the world. But an acceptable commercial standard must be maintained. Nothing less and nothing more. You should get what you were promised. Sincerely, Craig ****************************************************************************** [link lost in import: /~hoppy1] IVL Toys-R-Us #43 Pontiac - Rick Higbee Motorsports Member of Christian Auto Racing Evangelism - CARE [link lost in import: /~carroll/care.htm] ******************************************************************************

Whoa so many flames...makes me wanna ask for a weird patch...how about a patch for a broken header so we can get some flame on deceleration...ok...there is my 2 cent worth

> Whoa so many flames...makes me wanna ask for a weird patch...how about a > patch for a broken header so we can get some flame on > deceleration...ok...there is my 2 cent worth lol yea and how about a second ignition box/ignition switch so I can switch ignitions during a race when one of them blows! ahhhh of course I'm just kidding....... -- ::::::::#########::::::::::David Burton aka Vetteracer :########################::http://www.rust.net/~daland ########################:::"You have to first finish, :::::::#########:::::::::::before finishing first" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You must work for Sierra.If you don't mind could you keep your foul mouth lanquage to yourself?Last time I looked the Internet is still a place I can express my opinions freely.If you don't like it don't read my post.Where Richard Walker is concerned a smart remark for a smart remark.I get sick and tired of you hollier than now people who think you own this newsgroup.this news group is free and until otherwise I will keep expressing my opinion on shoddy workmanship as much as I want .

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> >Yes, it's a free internet, speech-wise, but you don't have to be an > >*** about it. (referring to your response to Richard Walker). > >And whether you like it or not, Papyrus does not owe you or anyone > >else a patch. The "unfinished" game was quite finished by any > >reasonable standard you wish to apply, ie the ***you get from any > >other software manufacturer. You are, of course, free to demand a > >refund as a less than satisfied customer, and it is certainly in > >Papyrus' best interest to release a patch, but no one owes you a patch, > >and you don't have to be an ***. > >Just my $.02. > >--Marcus > Hi Marcus, > Your 2 cents are noted. I tend to disagree that we are not owed a > patch to fix any features of NCR2 that do not match those advertised > or claimed. Things like the lack of a save game feature have been > left out and have been requested by the users. No they dont owe us > that feature. > But using ICR2 as an example, before the patch (that took almost 12 > months to arrive) the game was unplayable if you wanted to race with > yellow flags on. That made the game pretty shoddy to me. It sat on > the shelf. If we accepted products if they are measured by the worst > ***from any other standards .. then we are not getting what we paid > for nor expected. As you state: > >The "unfinished" game was quite finished by any > >reasonable standard you wish to apply, ie the ***you get from any > >other software manufacturer. > I think the people in this NG sometimes forget how great these > simulations are. I know nothing about programming and have > admiration for people who can put me in a racing car to race the > circuits of the world. But an acceptable commercial standard must be > maintained. Nothing less and nothing more. You should get what you > were promised. > Sincerely, > Craig

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Once again what I have is an unfinished product. > >Finished or no, it's worth a damn sight more than 60 bucks. > >I suggest that you and all the other whiners look at what you have got, > >rather than bemoaning what you do not have. > I second that emotion !

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>> >Well, if their next dose of "awesomeness" is as buggy as their current >> >dose of "awesomeness", I don't think it'll be too "awesome".. >> If you don't like it, don't play it. >> I hardly think that N2's current very minor bugs detract much from the >> sheer good fun to be had. >> You got a bad dose of negative attitude, fella. >Here's a list of some of the so-called "minor" bugs in N2, and I know of >some more.. Maybe if you have a 4837 mhz computer, you might not >experience akk the bugs, but all of us aren't rich and spoiled like you >Mr. Barham... >from Dave Sparks' Nascar 2 FAQ at >[link lost in import] >Thanks Dave... >BUG LIST >======== >- Install corrupts Internet Explorer setup >- Can't load setups with minimal install >- No qualifying setups for some tracks with Windows install >- AI pitting problems at Atlanta after a yellow >- F1 screen doesn't update if F1 is pressed before first lap is > complete >- Spotter says "Stay low" constantly during pace lap when spotter > level is set to "Full" >- Spotter stops calling out lap times if you hit the wall just > before crossing the start/finish line >- Spotter goes crazy after a big wreck, saying "Go low" "Go high" > constantly >- Spotter gives bogus "Pass the #nn car" message after exiting > the pits >- LF Camber is off in setup screen when set to 0.0 >- Weight distribution is displayed incorrectly after certain > setup changes >- Frame rate is awful at Martinsville >- Screen options are reset to SVGA before each race >- Noticeable pause coming out of Turn 4 on some tracks >- Dialup player starts inside an AI car in Multiplayer >- Player's car towed off track without warning in Multiplayer >- Dialup player cannot tow properly in Multiplayer >- Dialup player hangs when max opponents set to 38 in Multiplayer >- Dialup player locks up when exiting race in Multiplayer >- Some DSVD modems don't work because baud rate is limited to 19.2 >- Get "Can't initialize modem" or "Can't initialize IPX card" when > the MULTI.LST file is not present >There's the bug list, any more ***ings about N2's "very minor" bugs???

- Joystick doesn't work within sim when using Windows 95 OEM B version and any of the comm ports are active. - no anti-aliasing when using a Rendition-based card - no print screen option with Rendition-based cards. --- Frank ---

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> >> >dose of "awesomeness", I don't think it'll be too "awesome".. > >> If you don't like it, don't play it. > >> I hardly think that N2's current very minor bugs detract much from the > >> sheer good fun to be had. > >> You got a bad dose of negative attitude, fella. > >Here's a list of some of the so-called "minor" bugs in N2, and I know of > >some more.. Maybe if you have a 4837 mhz computer, you might not > >experience akk the bugs, but all of us aren't rich and spoiled like you > >Mr. Barham... > >from Dave Sparks' Nascar 2 FAQ at > >[link lost in import] > >Thanks Dave... > >BUG LIST > >======== > >- Install corrupts Internet Explorer setup > >- Can't load setups with minimal install > >- No qualifying setups for some tracks with Windows install > >- AI pitting problems at Atlanta after a yellow > >- F1 screen doesn't update if F1 is pressed before first lap is > > complete > >- Spotter says "Stay low" constantly during pace lap when spotter > > level is set to "Full" > >- Spotter stops calling out lap times if you hit the wall just > > before crossing the start/finish line > >- Spotter goes crazy after a big wreck, saying "Go low" "Go high" > > constantly > >- Spotter gives bogus "Pass the #nn car" message after exiting > > the pits > >- LF Camber is off in setup screen when set to 0.0 > >- Weight distribution is displayed incorrectly after certain > > setup changes > >- Frame rate is awful at Martinsville > >- Screen options are reset to SVGA before each race > >- Noticeable pause coming out of Turn 4 on some tracks > >- Dialup player starts inside an AI car in Multiplayer > >- Player's car towed off track without warning in Multiplayer > >- Dialup player cannot tow properly in Multiplayer > >- Dialup player hangs when max opponents set to 38 in Multiplayer > >- Dialup player locks up when exiting race in Multiplayer > >- Some DSVD modems don't work because baud rate is limited to 19.2 > >- Get "Can't initialize modem" or "Can't initialize IPX card" when > > the MULTI.LST file is not present > >There's the bug list, any more ***ings about N2's "very minor" bugs??? > - Joystick doesn't work within sim when using Windows 95 OEM B version

and any > of the comm ports are active. > - no anti-aliasing when using a Rendition-based card > - no print screen option with Rendition-based cards. > --- Frank --- AI goes crazy a Tally on the pace lap car lines up beside the pace car after he does 150 MPH backwards. After caution comes out lap cars do about 40 MPH around the track blocking you.

: Once again what I have is an unfinished product. All too true, but a damn fine one at that! I hope you are not using DOS or Win3.x or Win95 or Netscape or IExplorer or, well just about any software. Come to think of it, even your motherboard and BIOS should be considered. If one wants to be totally truthful, all of these items are "unfinished" products. Some get fixed with patches, while with others, one must buy completely new upgrades, or even switch products all together. Now, don't get me wrong. I want the things that are "broken" in N2 to be fixed (unlike ICR2 or even N1* -- which will never have all of their broken parts fixed). I am sure that even the future patches of N2 won't fix everything, it's the nature of the beast. But, I am still optimistic that the majority of things that Papyrus can fix in N2, will be fixed. Patience! A long and grueling 500 mile race is not won at the drop of the green flag. It takes time, patience, some tweaking, and sometimes good fortune to finally be the first to see the checkered. Try taking using this attitude for awhile, while we await the first N2 patch. (* Oops, can throw in WorldCircuit/GP1 and GP2 in their also.) -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

If your daddy can't buy you a game when you start crying you could always stop freeloading & earn your own way in life. ;-) Cheers, Richard

AAAAAHHHH did the wittle baby get mad ?Don't cry now. > >Well let's see what I have Oh yes,an unfinished game is what I have.Every

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> >one doesn't have daddy there to shell out the bucks every time baby boy > >starts crying. > If your daddy can't buy you a game when you start crying you could always > stop freeloading & earn your own way in life. ;-) > Cheers, > Richard

I think I have an unfinished flame here. Come on, surely you can do better than that. I'm not very happy at paying my ISP only to get such a poor, incomplete flame. Just what is Usenet coming to ;-)) Cheers, Richard

Yeah! This happens all the time! Don't even try a 100% race at Dega' you will throw your computer out the window in frustration!

Oh yes little Richie Walker made me cry.Just like your mother was crying last night but that was from pleasure.

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> >AAAAAHHHH did the wittle baby get mad ?Don't cry now. > I think I have an unfinished flame here. Come on, surely you can do > better than that. I'm not very happy at paying my ISP only to get such a > poor, incomplete flame. Just what is Usenet coming to ;-)) > Cheers, > Richard

Oh, Eric, you're SUCH a wag! Haven't heard that since my school days. Must make you feel really "***" to make such a jibe. Besides which, my mother quite possibly was crying with pleasure last night - haven't you heard that *** prowess is hereditary? ;-) Can't for the life of me think why that should concern you though. Come on, if you really must flame me (and for some reason you seem to need to) please try and come up with something worth reading. Otherwise crawl back into the swamp and come back when you have learnt to behave in *** society. Cheers, Richard