Racing Legends Site Down

When I go to the Racing Legends site, it comes up with a page that says it is an expired domain. Elsewhere on this page, it says that the site is "parked temporarily until the owner establishes a permanent site". Does anyone know whats up? Thanks.

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> When I go to the Racing Legends site, it comes up with a page that says it > is an expired domain. Elsewhere on this page, it says that the site is > "parked temporarily until the owner establishes a permanent site". > > Does anyone know whats up? > > Thanks.

It means all the skeptics were right....

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> "Joe Blow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:SdwBc.3309$DQ4.202@fed1read05... > > When I go to the Racing Legends site, it comes up with a page that says it > > is an expired domain. Elsewhere on this page, it says that the site is > > "parked temporarily until the owner establishes a permanent site". > > > > Does anyone know whats up? > > > > Thanks. > > It means all the skeptics were right.... > > >

Maybe they're gonna have to sell their huse again... Or maybe selll the cat for scientific experiments...

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <d6xBc.2470$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > "Joe Blow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:SdwBc.3309$DQ4.202@fed1read05... > > > When I go to the Racing Legends site, it comes up with a page thatsays it

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> > > is an expired domain. Elsewhere on this page, it says that the site is > > > "parked temporarily until the owner establishes a permanent site". > > > > > > Does anyone know whats up? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > It means all the skeptics were right.... > > > > > > > > Maybe they're gonna have to sell their huse again... Or maybe selll the > cat for scientific experiments...

It looks more and more likely that this isn`t a game just a dream !!! Maybe i can use some of my lotto money to help them...? Get in touch if you want !

"John Simmons" wrote... > Maybe they're gonna have to sell their huse again... That's OK, they'll be living in an exquisitely-detailed mid-60's team transporter, selling teddy bears out the back. <grin> While no doubt there will be many who will say "I told you so", it's still sad that such an idealistic bunch (including the cat) couldn't make it work. It would be nice if this was just a re-grouping phase, and the West brothers would simplify and refocus, and make more than just in-house technology demos. ...Klinn

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>From: "Klinn" [email hidden] >Date: 6/21/2004 9:33 AM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <GkCBc.6312$[email hidden]> > >"John Simmons" wrote... >> Maybe they're gonna have to sell their huse again... > >That's OK, they'll be living in an exquisitely-detailed mid-60's team >transporter, selling teddy bears out the back. <grin> > >While no doubt there will be many who will say "I told you so", it's still >sad that such an idealistic bunch (including the cat) couldn't make it work. >It would be nice if this was just a re-grouping phase, and the West brothers >would simplify and refocus, and make more than just in-house technology >demos. > >...Klinn >

Everybody relax :-) The truth is none of the above. I chatted with them this morning and they were not yet aware that it had gone down. It's a temporary goof up basically caused by a change in their home address since they last renewed the domain name, nothing more. The site will be back up in time. BTW., their cat, Spooky, was sadly killed by a car. This was covered on the main page of their site roughly a year ago. Gotta pay more attention, folks ;-) Quite frankly, with all the negativity and abuse they take from the race sim community sometimes I wonder why they bother continuing the project at all. Your opinions and attitudes effect a developer's day more than you realize. Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

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>Quite frankly, with all the negativity and abuse they take from the race sim >community sometimes I wonder why they bother continuing the project at all. >Your opinions and attitudes effect a developer's day more than you realize. > > >Todd Wasson >Racing Software >http://PerformanceSimulations.com >http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

You are correct, but maybe that criticism is based on the fact that the updates come maybe once about every 8 months or so it seems, and people get tired of that and stop checking. Frankly, you should know, that racing simmers are very impatient people, and like to see progress reports from time to time, not from year to year. I would even be willing to do the updates from them, you know, just email what they have been doing, even if you know it reads still working on the same thing this week, you see my point. I think if the consistency was there in the updating, the criticism would drop a lot. I think it will be a good sim for the racing community, but the criticism from the groups is sort of bought upon themselves. "What does a redneck say right before he dies? Hey y'all, watch this!" -Michael Waltrip, August 22nd, 2003, Bristol

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> Everybody relax :-) The truth is none of the above. I chatted with them this > morning and they were not yet aware that it had gone down. It's a temporary > goof up basically caused by a change in their home address since they last > renewed the domain name, nothing more. The site will be back up in time. > > BTW., their cat, Spooky, was sadly killed by a car. This was covered on the > main page of their site roughly a year ago. Gotta pay more attention, folks > ;-)

Doesn't mean they stil can't sell it. > Quite frankly, with all the negativity and abuse they take from the race sim > community sometimes I wonder why they bother continuing the project at all. > Your opinions and attitudes effect a developer's day more than you realize. A lot of us wonder why they continue claiming they're working on the "project". Last website update was in freakin October. How long has this project been "underway" now? Six years? That's simply too fucking long for ANY software project.

The problem is that the project got out of their hands... they "promised" too much and failed to deliver. I for one got on to the WSC beta team along with a shitload of other ppl. and that was... - three years ago? (I actually cant remember!) We never saw a beta - heck we didn't see a thing, other than nice screenshots and some videos.. All we got was "sure - no problem" and "we'll start testing soon". Although I really do wish them the best and that they do succeed - I really fail to see that happen. They're team is too small and they are trying to bite over too much - atleast if they're trying to achive some of the things they've said they wanted to include in a sim. After 3-4 years of empty "promises" who can blaim the public for giving up on them? I wish them the best and really *really* do hope they'll make it - but I seriously doubt their product will ever see the light of day.. -- Ed_ (Ok... back to the workshop again :o)

I think you'll find it's 2 years not 6. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, jtw62074 > @aol.com says... > > Everybody relax :-) The truth is none of the above. I chatted withthem this > > morning and they were not yet aware that it had gone down. It's atemporary > > goof up basically caused by a change in their home address since theylast > > renewed the domain name, nothing more. The site will be back up intime. > > > > BTW., their cat, Spooky, was sadly killed by a car. This was covered onthe > > main page of their site roughly a year ago. Gotta pay more attention,folks > > ;-) > > Doesn't mean they stil can't sell it. > > > Quite frankly, with all the negativity and abuse they take from the racesim > > community sometimes I wonder why they bother continuing the project atall. > > Your opinions and attitudes effect a developer's day more than yourealize.

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> > A lot of us wonder why they continue claiming they're working on the > "project". Last website update was in freakin October. > > How long has this project been "underway" now? Six years? That's simply > too fucking long for ANY software project. >

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>The problem is that the project got out of their hands... they "promised" >too much and failed to deliver. >I for one got on to the WSC beta team along with a shitload of other ppl. >and that was... - three years ago? (I actually cant remember!) We never saw >a beta - heck we didn't see a thing, other than nice screenshots and some >videos.. All we got was "sure - no problem" and "we'll start testing soon". > >Although I really do wish them the best and that they do succeed - I really >fail to see that happen. They're team is too small and they are trying to >bite over too much - atleast if they're trying to achive some of the things >they've said they wanted to include in a sim. > >After 3-4 years of empty "promises" who can blaim the public for giving up >on them? > >I wish them the best and really *really* do hope they'll make it - but I >seriously doubt their product will ever see the light of day..

Yup, agreed. Another problem they've is that they can't focus. Too many times I've heard they've rewritten the code to DirectX ##. It's very important when you've a small team to decide on a feature set, and go for only that. When you start to add every latest and greatest hardware to your feature set, you'll never come up with a product, since new gadgets will come out (almost) every day. It's also important to provide small demo's. It doesn't have to be a full drivable demo, a floating camera above a track, or a car/object viewer will do. As long something substantional is available... Cheers! Remco

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>From: John Simmons [email hidden] >Date: 6/22/2004 4:24 AM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > >In article <[email hidden]>, jtw62074 >@aol.com says... >> Everybody relax :-) The truth is none of the above. I chatted with them >this >> morning and they were not yet aware that it had gone down. It's a >temporary >> goof up basically caused by a change in their home address since they last >> renewed the domain name, nothing more. The site will be back up in time. >> >> BTW., their cat, Spooky, was sadly killed by a car. This was covered on >the >> main page of their site roughly a year ago. Gotta pay more attention, >folks >> ;-) > >Doesn't mean they stil can't sell it. >

I'm confused... Sell what? The web site? I just explained the situation and clearly that's not what's up. Of course, maybe you believe I'm making this up... No biggie then. I understand your skepticism. :-P

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>> Quite frankly, with all the negativity and abuse they take from the race >sim >> community sometimes I wonder why they bother continuing the project at all. > >> Your opinions and attitudes effect a developer's day more than you realize. > > >A lot of us wonder why they continue claiming they're working on the >"project". Last website update was in freakin October. >

And the reaction from the crowd was brutal... That wouldn't have made me run right out and make another update either! Granted, I don't know the real reason for no update. Maybe an update just wouldn't really help get the job done any faster and/or invite more uninvited criticism that is actually not directed at the game itself? I don't know. >How long has this project been "underway" now? Six years? That's simply >too fucking long for ANY software project. > I think RL has been underway for about 2 years as Susie said. Before that was WSC, but let's not forget that they had to start over almost from scratch after that. Our RC project has been under development for 5 1/2 years with two of us programming. Now think about that a second. That's 5 1/2 years of me writing the physics engine, and 5 1/2 years of the other guy writing the graphics system and so forth. If either one of us had been programming alone like Chris has been all this time, it could have taken 11 years to get where we are right now. Anyway, before that the other developer had released the first version in 1998 on his own after perhaps two years of work, so if you want to look at ours from the same perspective, ours has been under development for longer than six years. If I'm not mistaken, one of the Collin McCrae Rally sims took 4 years to create and they had a staff of **48 people** working on it. If it took Chris and Tony only 6 years to do what they want to do, I'd be stunned. People don't understand how long things take to do. I added a track smoothing algo recently that uses cubic N-patches. That took about 4-5 weeks *full time* to write, test, debug, and get working properly. It involved writing a seperate visualization tool that nobody but myself and a couple of other people will ever see or know existed. That took some time too. This was essentially technology from a paper that's only about six pages long, and what I needed was really covered on about three of those pages. My suspension model took about 2-3 months to write. Ended up adding to it later again and have since made a few changes, so it might have been 4 months in all just for the suspension system to work like I wanted, and it's not a sophisticated constraint system like Dr. Veble has running. Let's not even talk about the tire model.... Want to write a 3D graphics system on top of all this and try to incorporate 5% of what everybody wants on top of it? Yikes... This is all a hell of a lot harder and more time consuming than you can imagine. You have absolutely no idea, John. Plus, you have to realize that developers have to figure out how to do most of this stuff on their own. There isn't a "make a great, realistic car game" handbook you pick up at Barnes&Noble that shows you how to do it. You're on your own. <rant over... I feel better now> Anyway, folks get entirely too riled up about RL. If it happens, that's great. If not, does it matter? And if it matters, does it matter that it matters? ;-) Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

>From: "Ed Solheim" [email hidden] >Date: 6/22/2004 5:57 AM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > (On WSC...) >The problem is that the project got out of their hands... they "promised" >too much and failed to deliver. No, that's not what happened, Ed. When their site comes back up, read Chris' "sorry" post in the general forum to find out what really happened. Blame Empire for WSC, not Chris and Tony. Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

Sites still down though and you get thrown out to all sorts of ads. Andi. -- Remove only one zero to reply. "J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >From: "Klinn" [email hidden] > >Date: 6/21/2004 9:33 AM Central Daylight Time > >Message-id: <GkCBc.6312$[email hidden]> > > > >"John Simmons" wrote... > >> Maybe they're gonna have to sell their huse again... > > > >That's OK, they'll be living in an exquisitely-detailed mid-60's team > >transporter, selling teddy bears out the back. <grin> > > > >While no doubt there will be many who will say "I told you so", it's still > >sad that such an idealistic bunch (including the cat) couldn't make it work. > >It would be nice if this was just a re-grouping phase, and the West brothers > >would simplify and refocus, and make more than just in-house technology > >demos. > > > >...Klinn > > > > Everybody relax :-) The truth is none of the above. I chatted with them this > morning and they were not yet aware that it had gone down. It's a temporary > goof up basically caused by a change in their home address since they last > renewed the domain name, nothing more. The site will be back up in time. > > BTW., their cat, Spooky, was sadly killed by a car. This was covered on the > main page of their site roughly a year ago. Gotta pay more attention, folks > ;-) > > Quite frankly, with all the negativity and abuse they take from the race sim > community sometimes I wonder why they bother continuing the project at all. > Your opinions and attitudes effect a developer's day more than you realize. > > > Todd Wasson > Racing Software > http://PerformanceSimulations.com > http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm >

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>From: Rusty Unger [email hidden] >Date: 6/21/2004 2:53 PM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > >>Quite frankly, with all the negativity and abuse they take from the race sim >>community sometimes I wonder why they bother continuing the project at all. >>Your opinions and attitudes effect a developer's day more than you realize. > >> >> >>Todd Wasson >>Racing Software >>http://PerformanceSimulations.com >>http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm > > >You are correct, but maybe that criticism is based on the fact that >the updates come maybe once about every 8 months or so it seems, and >people get tired of that and stop checking. Frankly, you should know, >that racing simmers are very impatient people, and like to see >progress reports from time to time, not from year to year. I would >even be willing to do the updates from them, you know, just email what >they have been doing, even if you know it reads still working on the >same thing this week, you see my point. I think if the consistency >was there in the updating, the criticism would drop a lot. I think it >will be a good sim for the racing community, but the criticism from >the groups is sort of bought upon themselves. > > >"What does a redneck say right before he dies? Hey y'all, watch this!" >-Michael Waltrip, August 22nd, 2003, Bristol > >

I understand your view, Rusty. I'm sure you'd agree though that uninvited criticism is still precisely that and can burn in a way that doesn't help. I think everyone should just forget about RL. What's the big deal? If it happens, great. If not, there's always GTR ;-) Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

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>From: [email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) >Date: 6/22/2004 12:53 PM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > >>From: "Ed Solheim" [email hidden] >>Date: 6/22/2004 5:57 AM Central Daylight Time >>Message-id: <[email hidden]> >> > >(On WSC...) > >>The problem is that the project got out of their hands... they "promised" >>too much and failed to deliver. > >No, that's not what happened, Ed. When their site comes back up, read Chris' >"sorry" post in the general forum to find out what really happened. Blame >Empire for WSC, not Chris and Tony. >

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>Subject: Re: Racing Legends Site Down >From: "Andi Cole" [email hidden] >Date: 6/22/2004 1:11 PM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <GC_Bc.19140$[email hidden]> > >Sites still down though and you get thrown out to all sorts of ads. > >Andi.

Check again. Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

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>Subject: Re: Racing Legends Site Down >Date: 6/22/2004 1:11 PM Central Daylight Time >Sites still down though and you get thrown out to all sorts of ads. >Andi.

Check again. Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Maybe they're gonna have to sell their huse again... Or maybe selll the > cat for scientific experiments... "J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >From: John Simmons [email hidden] > >Date: 6/22/2004 4:24 AM Central Daylight Time > >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > > >In article <[email hidden]>, jtw62074 > >@aol.com says... > >> > >> BTW., their cat, Spooky, was sadly killed by a car. This was covered

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> >the > >> main page of their site roughly a year ago. Gotta pay more attention, > >folks > >> ;-) > > > >Doesn't mean they stil can't sell it. > > > > I'm confused... Sell what? The web site? I just explained the situation

and > clearly that's not what's up. Of course, maybe you believe I'm makingthis > up... No biggie then. I understand your skepticism. :-P > The cat of course. :-P

Hmm, I now get 'page cannot be displayed', it is http://www.racing-legends.com/ that I'm supposed to be looking at isn't it? Andi. -- Remove only one zero to reply. "J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > >Subject: Re: Racing Legends Site Down > >From: "Andi Cole" [email hidden] > >Date: 6/22/2004 1:11 PM Central Daylight Time > >Message-id: <GC_Bc.19140$[email hidden]> > > > >Sites still down though and you get thrown out to all sorts of ads. > > > >Andi. > > Check again. > > > Todd Wasson > Racing Software > http://PerformanceSimulations.com > http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm >

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>From: "Bill Worrel" [email hidden] >Date: 6/22/2004 4:15 PM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > >"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> Maybe they're gonna have to sell their huse again... Or maybe selll the >> cat for scientific experiments... > >"J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >From: John Simmons [email hidden] >> >Date: 6/22/2004 4:24 AM Central Daylight Time >> >Message-id: <[email hidden]> >> > >> >In article <[email hidden]>, jtw62074 >> >@aol.com says... >> >> >> >> BTW., their cat, Spooky, was sadly killed by a car. This was covered >on >> >the >> >> main page of their site roughly a year ago. Gotta pay more attention, >> >folks >> >> ;-) >> > >> >Doesn't mean they stil can't sell it. >> > >> >> I'm confused... Sell what? The web site? I just explained the situation >and >> clearly that's not what's up. Of course, maybe you believe I'm making >this >> up... No biggie then. I understand your skepticism. :-P >> > >The cat of course. :-P >

Ooooo... Bad taste. I love it :-P Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

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>From: "Andi Cole" [email hidden] >Date: 6/22/2004 4:42 PM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <HJ1Cc.19218$[email hidden]> > >Hmm, I now get 'page cannot be displayed', it is >http://www.racing-legends.com/ that I'm supposed to be looking at isn't it? > >Andi.

Yeah, that's right. It's still working here. Not sure what's up or why that's happening. Strange :-) Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

On 22 Jun 2004 18:15:24 GMT, [email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) wrote:

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>>From: Rusty Unger [email hidden] >>Date: 6/21/2004 2:53 PM Central Daylight Time >>Message-id: <[email hidden]> >> >> >>>Quite frankly, with all the negativity and abuse they take from the race sim >>>community sometimes I wonder why they bother continuing the project at all. >>>Your opinions and attitudes effect a developer's day more than you realize. >> >>> >>> >>>Todd Wasson >>>Racing Software >>>http://PerformanceSimulations.com >>>http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm >> >> >>You are correct, but maybe that criticism is based on the fact that >>the updates come maybe once about every 8 months or so it seems, and >>people get tired of that and stop checking. Frankly, you should know, >>that racing simmers are very impatient people, and like to see >>progress reports from time to time, not from year to year. I would >>even be willing to do the updates from them, you know, just email what >>they have been doing, even if you know it reads still working on the >>same thing this week, you see my point. I think if the consistency >>was there in the updating, the criticism would drop a lot. I think it >>will be a good sim for the racing community, but the criticism from >>the groups is sort of bought upon themselves. >> >> >>"What does a redneck say right before he dies? Hey y'all, watch this!" >>-Michael Waltrip, August 22nd, 2003, Bristol >> >> > >I understand your view, Rusty. I'm sure you'd agree though that uninvited >criticism is still precisely that and can burn in a way that doesn't help. > >I think everyone should just forget about RL. What's the big deal? If it >happens, great. If not, there's always GTR ;-) > > >Todd Wasson >Racing Software >http://PerformanceSimulations.com >http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

Isn't criticism widely accepted in making stuff better. You are wrong, there is a difference from uninvited criticism and constructive criticism. The West Brothers have invited both, and thus was my point, their refusal to post updates, and the lame forum post was no help. They ask, and they shall receive, I don't know why you stick up for them so much, but no wonder they get criticized, even smaller game makers give an update once a year...you just missed the point. Maybe if they listened to what people where saying, that would change, because as most intelligent people know, not all criticism is bad, in fact it can help you live your life better, and work better. Criticism is sometime referred to as advice, and I have just given you some, stop sticking up for them...it will get you no where. I for one can't wait for the product and will stand in line, but until it comes out, and they provide more than a six month update, and prove themselves to be more reputable than they have been in the past, I will stay just as critical, as will 99.9 percent of this board, minus you. Get your act straight, and stop sticking up for them. You have no proof it exists either. "What does a redneck say right before he dies? Hey y'all, watch this!" -Michael Waltrip, August 22nd, 2003, Bristol

J. Todd Wasson wrote: > http://www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=2395&s=d10c2c246f > 21aab81405a1f78b915080 That's a great post. Do you think Empire bailed when they had to repeatedly tell the West Brothers to produce some tangible code or when they found out they wanted to model the Lotus team trailer from 1967? Empire had no choice to fire the West brothers. They don't produce, period. RL is their 3rd title. How many have you seen on store shelves?

On 22 Jun 2004 23:55:38 GMT, [email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) wrote:

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>>From: "Andi Cole" [email hidden] >>Date: 6/22/2004 4:42 PM Central Daylight Time >>Message-id: <HJ1Cc.19218$[email hidden]> >> >>Hmm, I now get 'page cannot be displayed', it is >>http://www.racing-legends.com/ that I'm supposed to be looking at isn't it? >> >>Andi. > >Yeah, that's right. It's still working here. Not sure what's up or why that's >happening. Strange :-)

DNS entries can take 48 hours before they're ready worldwide... Cheers! Remco

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>From: [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) >Date: 6/23/2004 3:48 AM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > >On 22 Jun 2004 23:55:38 GMT, [email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) wrote: > >>>From: "Andi Cole" [email hidden] >>>Date: 6/22/2004 4:42 PM Central Daylight Time >>>Message-id: <HJ1Cc.19218$[email hidden]> >>> >>>Hmm, I now get 'page cannot be displayed', it is >>>http://www.racing-legends.com/ that I'm supposed to be looking at isn't it? >>> >>>Andi. >> >>Yeah, that's right. It's still working here. Not sure what's up or why >that's >>happening. Strange :-) > >DNS entries can take 48 hours before they're ready worldwide... > >Cheers! > >Remco >

Ah-ha! I knew there had to be a logical explanation. Thanks :-) Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

I think *you'll* find that they started hyping this program a little after GPL was released. That's certainly lonbger than just two years. In article <cb93gu$567$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> I think you'll find it's 2 years not 6. > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, jtw62074 > > @aol.com says... > > How long has this project been "underway" now? Six years? That's simply > > too fucking long for ANY software project.

"Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iM2dnQcy9pi4n0TdRVn- > they found out they wanted to model the Lotus team trailer from 1967? This (the Lotus team trailer) is what makes me believe that this game is a big hoax. Why on earth would anyone spend time on this kind of stuff. Do we really need a highly detailed motor home in a driving sim?!?! Why not spend the time on the physics engine or the tire model, etc. As a programmer myself, I agree with J. Todd Wasson, in that it takes a long time to write a game, so why waste it on such useless items. Why not get a game out the door, earn some money, and then improve upon it? Is this what Papy did with the NASCAR series, also EA with it's F1 series? My $0.02

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:53:31 GMT, "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:iM2dnQcy9pi4n0TdRVn- >> they found out they wanted to model the Lotus team trailer from 1967? > >This (the Lotus team trailer) is what makes me believe that this game is a >big hoax. Why on earth would anyone spend time on this kind of stuff. Do we >really need a highly detailed motor home in a driving sim?!?! Why not spend >the time on the physics engine or the tire model, etc. As a programmer >myself, I agree with J. Todd Wasson, in that it takes a long time to write a >game, so why waste it on such useless items. Why not get a game out the >door, earn some money, and then improve upon it? Is this what Papy did with >the NASCAR series, also EA with it's F1 series?

Well, like you said, programming takes a long time......to kill this time, the ARTIST decided to create a bus..... :-) Remco

Does anyone really care? Just kidding of course. I saw the writing on the wall a year or more ago. "Joe Blow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SdwBc.3309$DQ4.202@fed1read05...

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> When I go to the Racing Legends site, it comes up with a page that says it > is an expired domain. Elsewhere on this page, it says that the site is > "parked temporarily until the owner establishes a permanent site". > > Does anyone know whats up? > > Thanks. > > >