RASCAR Chicago Results

Congratulations to Cory, Ginger, and Brian. Another tough, three yellow (6 out of last 9) 50% race. Track: CHICAGOLAND SPEEDWAY Date: 07/10/04 Session: Practice P # DRIVER TIME 1 19 DaveGF 29.330 2 6 Neil__C 29.352 3 98 LTB-Racer 29.370 4 170 Tim_Pankhurst 29.373 5 7 Dick-Trickle 29.452 6 27 BOster 29.476 7 33 Coorzman 29.518 8 1 Mitch_RAS 29.521 9 11 LizardspitRAS 29.525 10 42 bluestringer 29.534 11 317 ShepherdRAS 29.561 12 103 JurjenvanderLelij 29.635 13 65 Pat Cardiff 29.687 14 2 tpaullin 29.858 15 45 Bamadano 29.864 16 67 UweSchuerkamp 29.897 17 99 Elrikk 29.933 18 07 mcfadds 30.511 Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph Session: Qualifying P # DRIVER TIME 1 27 BOster 29.381 2 6 Neil__C 29.408 3 7 Dick-Trickle 29.418 4 11 LizardspitRAS 29.508 5 170 Tim_Pankhurst 29.572 6 317 ShepherdRAS 29.582 7 98 LTB-Racer 29.629 8 33 Coorzman 29.669 9 103 JurjenvanderLelij 29.713 10 19 DaveGF 29.714 11 1 Mitch_RAS 29.826 12 45 Bamadano 29.856 13 65 Pat Cardiff 29.859 14 67 UweSchuerkamp 29.884 15 42 bluestringer 29.959 16 99 Elrikk 29.973 17 07 mcfadds 30.640 18 2 tpaullin 30.641 19 26 epickett 30.712 20 03 ShepherdRAS -- Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph Session: Happy Hour P # DRIVER TIME 1 7 Dick-Trickle 29.412 2 170 Tim_Pankhurst 29.593 3 42 bluestringer 29.613 4 33 Coorzman 29.643 5 98 LTB-Racer 29.650 6 317 ShepherdRAS 29.669 7 19 DaveGF 29.730 8 45 Bamadano 29.763 9 6 Neil__C 30.033 10 2 tpaullin 30.070 11 65 Pat Cardiff 30.096 12 103 JurjenvanderLelij 30.245 13 26 epickett 30.365 14 99 Elrikk 30.632 15 07 mcfadds 30.633 16 11 LizardspitRAS 30.714 17 27 BOster 37.525 Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph Session: Race OFFICIAL STANDINGS F S # DRIVER INTERVAL LAPS LED POINTS STATUS 1 8 33 Coorzman 154.226 134 57* 185 Running 2 3 7 Dick-Trickle -1.34 134 47 175 Running 3 1 27 BOster -5.57 134 0 165 Running 4 10 19 DaveGF -12.06 134 0 160 Running 5 15 42 bluestringer -12.47 134 0 155 Running 6 9 103 JurjenvanderLelij -15.17 134 0 150 Running 7 4 11 LizardspitRAS -16.27 134 0 146 Running 8 13 65 Pat Cardiff -25.40 134 2 147 Running 9 2 6 Neil__C -1L 133 8 143 Running 10 5 170 Tim_Pankhurst -1L 133 20 139 Running 11 7 98 LTB-Racer -2L 132 0 130 Running 12 18 2 tpaullin -4L 130 0 127 Running 13 16 99 Elrikk -7L 127 0 124 Running 14 6 317 ShepherdRAS -35L 99 0 121 Disco 15 11 1 Mitch_RAS -35L 99 0 118 Retired 16 17 07 mcfadds -44L 90 0 115 Retired 17 19 26 epickett -84L 50 0 112 Retired 18 14 67 UweSchuerkamp -101L 33 0 109 Retired 19 12 45 Bamadano -128L 6 0 106 Wheel Caution Flags: 3 (12 laps) Lead Changes: 8 (5 drivers) Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph Pitstop Frequency: 1x PENALTIES LAP # INFRACTION PENALTY 33 67 Entering closed pits Go to end of longest line 34 67 Passing under yellow Held for 27 seconds 71 99 Speeding in pits Drive through pit lane 92 170 Unsafe pit exit Go to end of longest line 86 07 Unsafe pit exit Go to end of longest line 125 99 Speeding in pits Stop and go

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:45:02 -0400, David G Fisher wrote: > Congratulations to Cory, Ginger, and Brian. > > Another tough, three yellow (6 out of last 9) 50% race. > I would have loved to complete this one, but an early nudge from the wall (hehe) left me with a damaged engine that apparently could not be fixed in the pits. when the 2nd yellow came out I was well on my way into the pits to give the mechs another go at fixing it and was promptly penalized for "entering a closed pit". 8-P Being five laps down that early on in the race I decided to park it. Hope you guys had fun! Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

>Being five laps down that early on in the race I decided to park >it. Hope you guys had fun! > Not really. I was way off the pace, and got lapped by lap 13 or 15. The only car I was faster than was you, and you only had half an engine. Even Sean, who had pranged the wall was faster. Being that much slower than everyone else didn't seem like a fun way to spend an afternoon, so when I got lapped the second time, I pulled into the pits. I *really* need to figure out how to go faster, otherwise this isn't even worth doing... :-( Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message > I *really* need to figure out how to go > faster, otherwise this isn't even worth doing... :-( I find it's easier to find guys who are slower and invite them to the same league ;) Art

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>[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message > >> I *really* need to figure out how to go >> faster, otherwise this isn't even worth doing... :-( > >I find it's easier to find guys who are slower and invite them to the same >league ;) > >Art >

Ah, *now* I see why you invited me to TPTCC-Regulars...<g> The only people slower are those who can't even keep it on the track. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

> >Ah, *now* I see why you invited me to TPTCC-Regulars...<g> >The only people slower are those who can't even keep it on the track. Of course, I meant the only ones slower than ME... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

I have learned it is simply NOT possible to pit under green. You'll get screwed EVERY SINGLE TIME. -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Congratulations to Cory, Ginger, and Brian. > > Another tough, three yellow (6 out of last 9) 50% race. > > Track: CHICAGOLAND SPEEDWAY > Date: 07/10/04 > > > Session: Practice > > P # DRIVER TIME > 1 19 DaveGF 29.330 > 2 6 Neil__C 29.352 > 3 98 LTB-Racer 29.370 > 4 170 Tim_Pankhurst 29.373 > 5 7 Dick-Trickle 29.452 > 6 27 BOster 29.476 > 7 33 Coorzman 29.518 > 8 1 Mitch_RAS 29.521 > 9 11 LizardspitRAS 29.525 > 10 42 bluestringer 29.534 > 11 317 ShepherdRAS 29.561 > 12 103 JurjenvanderLelij 29.635 > 13 65 Pat Cardiff 29.687 > 14 2 tpaullin 29.858 > 15 45 Bamadano 29.864 > 16 67 UweSchuerkamp 29.897 > 17 99 Elrikk 29.933 > 18 07 mcfadds 30.511 > > > > Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph > > > > Session: Qualifying > > P # DRIVER TIME > 1 27 BOster 29.381 > 2 6 Neil__C 29.408 > 3 7 Dick-Trickle 29.418 > 4 11 LizardspitRAS 29.508 > 5 170 Tim_Pankhurst 29.572 > 6 317 ShepherdRAS 29.582 > 7 98 LTB-Racer 29.629 > 8 33 Coorzman 29.669 > 9 103 JurjenvanderLelij 29.713 > 10 19 DaveGF 29.714 > 11 1 Mitch_RAS 29.826 > 12 45 Bamadano 29.856 > 13 65 Pat Cardiff 29.859 > 14 67 UweSchuerkamp 29.884 > 15 42 bluestringer 29.959 > 16 99 Elrikk 29.973 > 17 07 mcfadds 30.640 > 18 2 tpaullin 30.641 > 19 26 epickett 30.712 > 20 03 ShepherdRAS -- > > > > Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph > > > > Session: Happy Hour > > P # DRIVER TIME > 1 7 Dick-Trickle 29.412 > 2 170 Tim_Pankhurst 29.593 > 3 42 bluestringer 29.613 > 4 33 Coorzman 29.643 > 5 98 LTB-Racer 29.650 > 6 317 ShepherdRAS 29.669 > 7 19 DaveGF 29.730 > 8 45 Bamadano 29.763 > 9 6 Neil__C 30.033 > 10 2 tpaullin 30.070 > 11 65 Pat Cardiff 30.096 > 12 103 JurjenvanderLelij 30.245 > 13 26 epickett 30.365 > 14 99 Elrikk 30.632 > 15 07 mcfadds 30.633 > 16 11 LizardspitRAS 30.714 > 17 27 BOster 37.525 > > > > Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph > > > > Session: Race > OFFICIAL STANDINGS > > F S # DRIVER INTERVAL LAPS LED POINTS STATUS > 1 8 33 Coorzman 154.226 134 57* 185 Running > 2 3 7 Dick-Trickle -1.34 134 47 175 Running > 3 1 27 BOster -5.57 134 0 165 Running > 4 10 19 DaveGF -12.06 134 0 160 Running > 5 15 42 bluestringer -12.47 134 0 155 Running > 6 9 103 JurjenvanderLelij -15.17 134 0 150 Running > 7 4 11 LizardspitRAS -16.27 134 0 146 Running > 8 13 65 Pat Cardiff -25.40 134 2 147 Running > 9 2 6 Neil__C -1L 133 8 143 Running > 10 5 170 Tim_Pankhurst -1L 133 20 139 Running > 11 7 98 LTB-Racer -2L 132 0 130 Running > 12 18 2 tpaullin -4L 130 0 127 Running > 13 16 99 Elrikk -7L 127 0 124 Running > 14 6 317 ShepherdRAS -35L 99 0 121 Disco > 15 11 1 Mitch_RAS -35L 99 0 118 Retired > 16 17 07 mcfadds -44L 90 0 115 Retired > 17 19 26 epickett -84L 50 0 112 Retired > 18 14 67 UweSchuerkamp -101L 33 0 109 Retired > 19 12 45 Bamadano -128L 6 0 106 Wheel > > > > Caution Flags: 3 (12 laps) > Lead Changes: 8 (5 drivers) > Weather: Clear, 70 �F, Southwest 0 mph > Pitstop Frequency: 1x > > > PENALTIES > LAP # INFRACTION PENALTY > 33 67 Entering closed pits Go to end of longest line > 34 67 Passing under yellow Held for 27 seconds > 71 99 Speeding in pits Drive through pit lane > 92 170 Unsafe pit exit Go to end of longest line > 86 07 Unsafe pit exit Go to end of longest line > 125 99 Speeding in pits Stop and go > > > > >

Right Pedal. Mash harder :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Being five laps down that early on in the race I decided to park > >it. Hope you guys had fun! > > > > Not really. I was way off the pace, and got lapped by lap 13 or 15. Theonly > car I was faster than was you, and you only had half an engine. EvenSean, who > had pranged the wall was faster. Being that much slower than everyoneelse > didn't seem like a fun way to spend an afternoon, so when I got lapped the > second time, I pulled into the pits. I *really* need to figure out how togo

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> faster, otherwise this isn't even worth doing... :-( > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

EldredP wrote: >>The only people slower are those who can't even keep it on the track. > Of course, I meant the only ones slower than ME... Could always get back onto Vroc (and into the 65s) Eldred: in pickup races, it's just the luck of the draw. Sometimes you find you're up against several aliens, but other times few people will keep up with you. Regards, Rudy -------------------- GPLRank: -22

>Right Pedal. Mash harder :) Meet the wall...HARD. This is one of the things that I don't get about fixed-setup races. We're all using the same setup, but some are as much as 2-3 seconds faster. Just doesn't make SENSE. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Right Pedal. Mash harder :) > > Meet the wall...HARD. > > This is one of the things that I don't get about fixed-setup races. We'reall > using the same setup, but some are as much as 2-3 seconds faster. Justdoesn't > make SENSE. > One thing occurs to me Eldred - maybe you're trying to jump too far at once. If, for example, your best time at a track is 23.5, would it help if someone sent you replay and telemetry for a 23.2 and worked with you emulating it? If that worked, you could then repeat the process with a 23.0 and so on. If that sounds helpful, I've got some time off coming up and I'd be happy to work with you. About time I paid back for all the server time you've given the community. I'm competitive in RASCAR but get my ass handed to me every week in FFRL so I feel the pain. The most inspiring sim video I ever saw was of Andi Wilke doing a lap of Zandvoort (I think) with the cockpit view on one side of the screen and his feet on the pedals on the other side. It turned on a light in my head and I've been working at it (slowly) ever since. Come to think of it, I've been using his setups too - thanks Andi if you're out there somewhere ;) Anyway .... let me know if you're interested - no problem if not. Regards

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> Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

Personally, I think it's all about corner entry and trying too hard. Some guys have it nailed, some don't. I'm somewhere in between. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Right Pedal. Mash harder :) > > Meet the wall...HARD. > > This is one of the things that I don't get about fixed-setup races. We'reall > using the same setup, but some are as much as 2-3 seconds faster. Justdoesn't

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> make SENSE. > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

I think if we could get Eldred on Teamspeak, and someone would ride in his car with him, we could take care of this rather quickly... It's usually that 'One Thing' that is messing you up. One of these days, I will figure out what that 'One Thing' is in regards to Road Courses :) -Larry "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cd15rs$crr$[email hidden]...

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >Right Pedal. Mash harder :) > > > > Meet the wall...HARD. > > > > This is one of the things that I don't get about fixed-setup races.

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> all > > using the same setup, but some are as much as 2-3 seconds faster. Just > doesn't > > make SENSE. > > > > One thing occurs to me Eldred - maybe you're trying to jump too far at

once. > If, for example, your best time at a track is 23.5, would it help ifsomeone > sent you replay and telemetry for a 23.2 and worked with you emulating it? > If that worked, you could then repeat the process with a 23.0 and so on. > > If that sounds helpful, I've got some time off coming up and I'd be happyto > work with you. About time I paid back for all the server time you've given > the community. I'm competitive in RASCAR but get my ass handed to me every > week in FFRL so I feel the pain. The most inspiring sim video I ever sawwas > of Andi Wilke doing a lap of Zandvoort (I think) with the cockpit view on > one side of the screen and his feet on the pedals on the other side. It > turned on a light in my head and I've been working at it (slowly) ever > since. Come to think of it, I've been using his setups too - thanks Andiif

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> you're out there somewhere ;) > > Anyway .... let me know if you're interested - no problem if not. > > Regards > > > > Eldred > > -- > > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Screamers League > > IICC League > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > > US East > >

Based on comments in the past, I have a feeling his problems are more related to frame rate and controller setup. Without those two optimized, he won't see much improvement after working on technique. -- David G Fisher "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cd15rs$crr$[email hidden]... > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >Right Pedal. Mash harder :) > > > > Meet the wall...HARD. > > > > This is one of the things that I don't get about fixed-setup races. We're > all > > using the same setup, but some are as much as 2-3 seconds faster. Just > doesn't > > make SENSE. > > > > One thing occurs to me Eldred - maybe you're trying to jump too far at once. > If, for example, your best time at a track is 23.5, would it help if someone > sent you replay and telemetry for a 23.2 and worked with you emulating it? > If that worked, you could then repeat the process with a 23.0 and so on. > > If that sounds helpful, I've got some time off coming up and I'd be happy to > work with you. About time I paid back for all the server time you've given > the community. I'm competitive in RASCAR but get my ass handed to me every > week in FFRL so I feel the pain. The most inspiring sim video I ever saw was > of Andi Wilke doing a lap of Zandvoort (I think) with the cockpit view on > one side of the screen and his feet on the pedals on the other side. It > turned on a light in my head and I've been working at it (slowly) ever > since. Come to think of it, I've been using his setups too - thanks Andi if > you're out there somewhere ;) > > Anyway .... let me know if you're interested - no problem if not. > > Regards > > > > Eldred > > -- > > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Screamers League > > IICC League > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > > US East > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AYVIc.10$BB6.6@lakeread02...

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> Personally, I think it's all about corner entry and trying too hard. > > Some guys have it nailed, some don't. I'm somewhere in between. > > -Larry > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >Right Pedal. Mash harder :) > > > > Meet the wall...HARD. > > > > This is one of the things that I don't get about fixed-setup races.

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> all > > using the same setup, but some are as much as 2-3 seconds faster. Just > doesn't > > make SENSE. > > > > Eldred > > -- > > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Screamers League > > IICC League > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > > US East > >

I think it's the line used and using that same line consistantly. I can run a real good lap sometimes, but can't keep it consistant. I found that at Chicago you could almost run flat out all the way around with new tires, just let off for a second entering the turns to set the car, then mash it. Of course as the tires wore, then you had to stay off the throttle longer. James aka..bluestringer

Based on comments in the past, I have a feeling his problems are more related to frame rate and controller setup. Without those two optimized, he won't see much improvement after working on technique. >David G Fishe Very interesting Dave. I know that I have never been able to match the times I used to turn with my old TM Pro non FF. I am at best a backmarker using FF where I used to actually win now and then :) Dan

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> >One thing occurs to me Eldred - maybe you're trying to jump too far at once. >If, for example, your best time at a track is 23.5, would it help if someone >sent you replay and telemetry for a 23.2 and worked with you emulating it? >If that worked, you could then repeat the process with a 23.0 and so on. > >If that sounds helpful, I've got some time off coming up and I'd be happy to >work with you. About time I paid back for all the server time you've given >the community. I'm competitive in RASCAR but get my ass handed to me every >week in FFRL so I feel the pain. The most inspiring sim video I ever saw was >of Andi Wilke doing a lap of Zandvoort (I think) with the cockpit view on >one side of the screen and his feet on the pedals on the other side. It >turned on a light in my head and I've been working at it (slowly) ever >since. Come to think of it, I've been using his setups too - thanks Andi if >you're out there somewhere ;) > >Anyway .... let me know if you're interested - no problem if not.

Sure, drop me an e-mail. I have July 26-30 as vacation. <g> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>I think if we could get Eldred on Teamspeak, and someone would ride in his >car with him, we could take care of this rather quickly... > Yeah, I need to add "install TS" on my to do list. I usually forget about it until someone asks when I join the RASCAR race. >It's usually that 'One Thing' that is messing you up. One of these days, I >will figure out what that 'One Thing' is in regards to Road Courses :) I'm sure it's at least 'Two Things', but I agree with you. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>Based on comments in the past, I have a feeling his problems are more >related to frame rate and controller setup. Without those two optimized, he >won't see much improvement after working on technique. In the Daytona race, I was dropping to 28FPS coming off T4. Boy, *that* was fun in traffic...*sigh*. I think it dropped to about 31 at Chicago - I was too busy turning to notice. What FPS do most of you get? Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

I think I was around 50 to 60 at Chicago. Depends on where I was and who was around me. I turn off shadows, sun-flare's, etc... and leave the important stuff like drawing distance, quality, trackside objects, etc... all cranked up. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Based on comments in the past, I have a feeling his problems are more > >related to frame rate and controller setup. Without those two optimized,he > >won't see much improvement after working on technique. > > In the Daytona race, I was dropping to 28FPS coming off T4. Boy, *that*was > fun in traffic...*sigh*. > I think it dropped to about 31 at Chicago - I was too busy turning tonotice.

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> > What FPS do most of you get? > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

>I think I was around 50 to 60 at Chicago. Depends on where I was and who >was around me. > >I turn off shadows, sun-flare's, etc... and leave the important stuff like >drawing distance, quality, trackside objects, etc... all cranked up. > I have *most* of it turned down(or off). Which means I lose brake markers that others take for granted. I'll eventually find a happy medium between framerate and adequat feedback...<g> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

The *absolute* best thing you can do is to fire up F1C, and do as much road racing in the F1 cars as possible. *Every* other road racing you do in whatever sim will then feel much easier. -- David G Fisher "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:f_VIc.11$BB6.1@lakeread02... > I think if we could get Eldred on Teamspeak, and someone would ride in his > car with him, we could take care of this rather quickly... > > It's usually that 'One Thing' that is messing you up. One of these days, I > will figure out what that 'One Thing' is in regards to Road Courses :) > > -Larry > > "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cd15rs$crr$[email hidden]... > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > >Right Pedal. Mash harder :) > > > > > > Meet the wall...HARD. > > > > > > This is one of the things that I don't get about fixed-setup races. > We're > > all > > > using the same setup, but some are as much as 2-3 seconds faster. Just > > doesn't > > > make SENSE. > > > > > > > One thing occurs to me Eldred - maybe you're trying to jump too far at > once. > > If, for example, your best time at a track is 23.5, would it help if > someone > > sent you replay and telemetry for a 23.2 and worked with you emulating it? > > If that worked, you could then repeat the process with a 23.0 and so on. > > > > If that sounds helpful, I've got some time off coming up and I'd be happy > to > > work with you. About time I paid back for all the server time you've given > > the community. I'm competitive in RASCAR but get my ass handed to me every > > week in FFRL so I feel the pain. The most inspiring sim video I ever saw > was > > of Andi Wilke doing a lap of Zandvoort (I think) with the cockpit view on > > one side of the screen and his feet on the pedals on the other side. It > > turned on a light in my head and I've been working at it (slowly) ever > > since. Come to think of it, I've been using his setups too - thanks Andi > if > > you're out there somewhere ;) > > > > Anyway .... let me know if you're interested - no problem if not. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > Screamers League > > > IICC League > > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > > > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > > > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > > > N2k3 rank:in progress > > > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > > > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > > > US East > > > > > >

On 14 Jul 2004 03:59:13 GMT, Bamadano wrote: > > Very interesting Dave. I know that I have never been able to match the times I > used to turn with my old TM Pro non FF. I am at best a backmarker using FF > where I used to actually win now and then :) > Dan Same here, that's why I'm a happy non-ff racer. whenever I try my mate's Momo force, I simply cannot get anywhere near the laptimes I manage using my home TSW setup, and the controls feel much less accurate. Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

> > Very interesting Dave. I know that I have never been able to match thetimes I > > used to turn with my old TM Pro non FF. I am at best a backmarker usingFF

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> > where I used to actually win now and then :) > > Dan > > Same here, that's why I'm a happy non-ff racer. whenever I try my > mate's Momo force, I simply cannot get anywhere near the laptimes I > manage using my home TSW setup, and the controls feel much less > accurate. Cheers,

That's probably because the default settings for the momo are far too strong and are almost undrivable. If you're talking GPL, then GPL's FF isn't particularly good compared to more modern games. You can make it so it's not too bad with a lot of messing around...

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:27:00 +1000, Damien Evans wrote: > That's probably because the default settings for the momo are far too strong > and are almost undrivable. > No, the other guy is a simracer too and swears by his ff settings and wheel. I just cannot cope with it seemingly. > If you're talking GPL, then GPL's FF isn't particularly good compared to > more modern games. You can make it so it's not too bad with a lot of > messing around... No matter wether it's GPL, F1C, N200x, I'm slower with ff, simple as that ;-) The springs in the tsw give me all the force feedback I need, although of course it's rather "linear" ;-) uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I does take some getting used to Uwe. The FF in NR2003 is pretty sad, to the point of being more a nuisance than any kind of help. F1C/mods is better but it wasnt till the GTR mod that FF really shows its strengths. I cannot imagine running GTR demo without FF. Mitch "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:27:00 +1000, Damien Evans wrote: > > > That's probably because the default settings for the momo are far toostrong

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That should be "It" as the first word and GTR Demo not mod. That teacher was sure right way way back when he told me the importance of a proof read *before* submission not after :-) "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:T9WJc.21075$[email hidden]... > I does take some getting used to Uwe. The FF in NR2003 is pretty sad, to > the point of being more a nuisance than any kind of help. F1C/mods is > better but it wasnt till the GTR mod that FF really shows its strengths.I

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> > > more modern games. You can make it so it's not too bad with a lot of > > > messing around... > > > > No matter wether it's GPL, F1C, N200x, I'm slower with ff, simple as > > that ;-) The springs in the tsw give me all the force feedback I need, > > although of course it's rather "linear" ;-) > > > > uwe > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61 > >

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:52:35 GMT, Mitch_A wrote: > That should be "It" as the first word and GTR Demo not mod. > > That teacher was sure right way way back when he told me the importance of a > proof read *before* submission not after :-) > Hey Mitch, no worries. You'll find out about magic things like "quoting" and "avoiding top posting" in your next lesson, I am sure ;-) Thanks for the comment, but I think I have all the FF I need with my TSW. Anything more would surely kill my old, arthritic shoulder joints. all the best, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

You wont catch me bottom posting :) Its a tradition that has outlived it usefulness. The BBS, 9.6k days are gone Uwe ;) Mitch "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote > Hey Mitch, no worries. You'll find out about magic things like

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> "quoting" and "avoiding top posting" in your next lesson, I am sure > ;-) > > Thanks for the comment, but I think I have all the FF I need with my > TSW. Anything more would surely kill my old, arthritic shoulder > joints. > > all the best, > > uwe > > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

In article <czZJc.93083$[email hidden]>, naman- [email hidden] says... > You wont catch me bottom posting :) Its a tradition that has outlived it > usefulness. The BBS, 9.6k days are gone Uwe ;) > > Mitch Depends upon who's bottom you want to post, surely. -- Pete Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before sending me an email

hehe. "Peter" <[email hidden]> wrote in > Depends upon who's bottom you want to post, surely. > -- > Pete Ives > Remove ALL_STRESS before sending me an email

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>In article <czZJc.93083$[email hidden]>, naman- >[email hidden] says... >> You wont catch me bottom posting :) Its a tradition that has outlived it >> usefulness. The BBS, 9.6k days are gone Uwe ;) >> >> Mitch > >Depends upon who's bottom you want to post, surely. >--

Either Beyonce Knowles or Halle Berry...<g> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

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> >In article <czZJc.93083$[email hidden]>, naman- > >[email hidden] says... > >> You wont catch me bottom posting :) Its a tradition that has outlived it > >> usefulness. The BBS, 9.6k days are gone Uwe ;) > >> > >> Mitch > > > >Depends upon who's bottom you want to post, surely. > >-- > > Either Beyonce Knowles or Halle Berry...<g> > > Eldred >

Either/or?!! Man they's a tough choice. -- Pete Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before sending me an email

I actually HATE the FF in NR2003 (or any Nascar game so far). I do not like the latency it adds at all. But, I'm stuck with it for now. I can't turn it off because Papy has hard-coded the Return-To-Center spring strength into the game and there is NO way, internally or externally, to change it. It's on full-force with the MSFFW and with the pull-to-the-right inherent in oval racing it is simply too much to overcome for any length of time. So I leave FF on, but low. -Larry "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 14 Jul 2004 03:59:13 GMT, Bamadano wrote: > > > > > Very interesting Dave. I know that I have never been able to match thetimes I > > used to turn with my old TM Pro non FF. I am at best a backmarker usingFF

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Interesting. I've always found GPL's FF to provide the best improvement of any Sim I've run. Before FF in GPL, I was off the damned track at EVERYcorner. It was like driving a car floating in space. Papy's FF in GPL allows me to feel what the car is doing, and I can survive the corners now. Well, at least half of them :) -Larry "Damien Evans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If you're talking GPL, then GPL's FF isn't particularly good compared to > more modern games. You can make it so it's not too bad with a lot of > messing around... > >

LOL! Very, very well put Mitch :) -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:czZJc.93083$[email hidden]... > You wont catch me bottom posting :) Its a tradition that has outlived it > usefulness. The BBS, 9.6k days are gone Uwe ;) > > Mitch

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> I actually HATE the FF in NR2003 (or any Nascar game so far). I do not like > the latency it adds at all. > > But, I'm stuck with it for now. I can't turn it off because Papy has > hard-coded the Return-To-Center spring strength into the game and there is > NO way, internally or externally, to change it. It's on full-force with the > MSFFW and with the pull-to-the-right inherent in oval racing it is simply > too much to overcome for any length of time. > > So I leave FF on, but low. >

Am I misunderstanding this, or are you saying you CANNOT turn off FF in NR2003, even though you want to, because your wheel supports FF? I have an FF wheel, but no FF in the game because, like you say, I too would worry about the latency issues. -- Pete Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before sending me an email

Yes, you are mis-understanding :) You CAN turn off the FF in NR2003. However, when you do so, the Sim turns on a phony return-to-center spring, and uses full force to do it. It's not adjustable. Going around Dega or Tona with the wheel cranked to the right some 10 degrees while fighting that return-to-center spring gets tiring VERY quickly. -Larry "Peter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Am I misunderstanding this, or are you saying you CANNOT turn off FF in > NR2003, even though you want to, because your wheel supports FF? I have > an FF wheel, but no FF in the game because, like you say, I too would > worry about the latency issues. > -- > Pete Ives > Remove ALL_STRESS before sending me an email

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> Yes, you are mis-understanding :) > > You CAN turn off the FF in NR2003. However, when you do so, the Sim turns > on a phony return-to-center spring, and uses full force to do it. It's not > adjustable. > > Going around Dega or Tona with the wheel cranked to the right some 10 > degrees while fighting that return-to-center spring gets tiring VERY > quickly. >

But it doesn't do that in NR2003 with my FF wheel with FF turned OFF. I have never noticed having to fight the wheel at Dega, Tona or anywhere else, and believe me I have used this wheel in games with FF ON and had to fight the damned thing, so the forces can be pretty strong. I can turn my Thrustmaster Ferrari FF wheel to the right, left or wherever and leave it there. I am currently running the patched version btw.

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> "Peter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > Am I misunderstanding this, or are you saying you CANNOT turn off FF in > > NR2003, even though you want to, because your wheel supports FF? I have > > an FF wheel, but no FF in the game because, like you say, I too would > > worry about the latency issues. > > -- > > Pete Ives > > Remove ALL_STRESS before sending me an email > > >

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