So now that NASCAR 2 is out and Daytona was NOT included how about some of you
hacking wizards producing a DAYTONA Patch.
I remember this topic was considered off limits and Daytona threatened everybody
who was attempting to release the patch a few months ago but now that we once
again do not get to race Daytona lets stick it to em and get our OWN TRACK out
there.
With the recent release of DAYTONA USA (which sucks by the way) there should be
plenty of graphics and artwork to use as source material for a NASCAR 2
compatible version of this track.
HOW ABOUT IT???
Notable threadCalls for a hacked Daytona track for NASCAR Racing 2
After Daytona was left out of NASCAR Racing 2, some urged hackers to make the track. Others explained that Sega held the exclusive licence and that earlier hacks had been stopped with cease-and-desist letters. Papyrus's Jim Sokoloff said that if Papyrus had the rights, the track would be on the CD, explained the Daytona USA billboard and theme-park time trial exhibit, and noted that Sega had paid millions for the name.
With Jim Sokoloff (Papyrus); Adam Levesque (Papyrus)
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And would like a jail cell with a window or a bed?
>And would like a jail cell with a window or a bed?
He would like a PC with N2 and the Daytona track. Then he wouldnt even
need a bed :)
-- Carl Hammarlund
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> So now that NASCAR 2 is out and Daytona was NOT included how about some of you > hacking wizards producing a DAYTONA Patch. > I remember this topic was considered off limits and Daytona threatened everybody > who was attempting to release the patch a few months ago but now that we once > again do not get to race Daytona lets stick it to em and get our OWN TRACK out > there. > With the recent release of DAYTONA USA (which sucks by the way) there should be > plenty of graphics and artwork to use as source material for a NASCAR 2 > compatible version of this track. > HOW ABOUT IT???Quoted text (17 lines)
>> So now that NASCAR 2 is out and Daytona was NOT included how about some of you >> hacking wizards producing a DAYTONA Patch. >> I remember this topic was considered off limits and Daytona threatened everybody >> who was attempting to release the patch a few months ago but now that we once >> again do not get to race Daytona lets stick it to em and get our OWN TRACK out >> there. >> With the recent release of DAYTONA USA (which sucks by the way) there should be >> plenty of graphics and artwork to use as source material for a NASCAR 2 >> compatible version of this track. >> HOW ABOUT IT??? >Why should anyone make a patch when the actual track will probably be >out in the summer (hopefully) If you didn't notice there was a billboard >in Nascar 2 at Darlington with Daytona USA on it........... >--: Yeah - like we all haven't heard their broken promises before. It was only
: months ago that the Daytona patch was on the verge of releasing and the
: corporate big-wigs jumped in and said NO NO NO - if you cease and desist we will
: put Daytona in N2. Well the patch was promptly SNUFFED OUT and now 4 months
: later NO DAYTONA.
Well that's in the corporate's right to defend the exclusive deal with
Daytona. It is copyright infringement. As stated numerous time here that
Sega looses its rights in April and hopefully Sierra/Papyrus is
negotiating a deal to bring Daytona to Nascar 2 and NRL.
:
: Well***Daytona and***SEGA. Let's do it ourselves. Somebody out there
: must have the coding skills to pull this off! And while your at it - whip up an
: Indy track conversion too! (;-)
I'm sure when Gerhard (sp) gets his copy of N2, that he'll be hard at work
to try convert Indy. As for Sega, well most of us here know what quality
game Daytona USA is or isn't and should stick to console games.
EH
Of course there is no official Daytona yet. There legally can't be
one, as Sega still has the exclusive license for the track. Only after
it expires can one be made, and with Nascar behind it I fully expect it
to happen.
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I hope they include the new tracks as they come to Nascar, such as
California and Texas...
Personally, the cynic in me is just waiting for a the proverbial other
shoe to drop--if an official Daytona track gets released.
Imagine this: the Daytona track would ONLY be distributed if you are a
paying member of the NRO!
Sure, all it would take is for one guy to post it on his web site, but
hey... the more I hear about it, the less I feel inclined to get on TEN.
Of course, I don't have WIN95 or a 28.8 (or faster) modem, or even a
Pentium for that matter!
Aside from all that cynicism, I sure would like to see a track pack that
features Daytona, Indy, N. Las Vegas, Texas, and California. In my
dreams, of course. And when pigs fly. And when Lucifer starts buying
parkas wholesale.
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: Yeah - like we all haven't heard their broken promises before. It was
only
: months ago that the Daytona patch was on the verge of releasing and the
: corporate big-wigs jumped in and said NO NO NO - if you cease and desist
we will
: put Daytona in N2. Well the patch was promptly SNUFFED OUT and now 4
months
: later NO DAYTONA.
Hi Mark, I can assure that nobody, read nobody, said if you don't release
the Daytona patch we'll let Papyrus put it in the game. I think what they
said was, don't release the Daytona patch or we'll sue your ass. And I
might add, rightly so. In copyright/trademark law, you must do everything
possible to protect your trademark, or you lose it. Period.
Adam
Papyrus
>Yeah - like we all haven't heard their broken promises before. It was only
>months ago that the Daytona patch was on the verge of releasing and the
>corporate big-wigs jumped in and said NO NO NO - if you cease and desist we
>will put Daytona in N2. Well the patch was promptly SNUFFED OUT and now 4
>months later NO DAYTONA.
That's a gross misrepresentation. Daytona has an obligation to defend their
property (the name and likeness of the track) or lose it. They licensed
that property to Sega, which means that they had an obligation to Sega to
defend Sega's licensed interest in that property. Now along comes someone,
innocent or not, who is infringing on those property rights. Daytona has no
choice but to ask them to stop, that's just the way property laws work.
Not once, did I ever hear any "corporate big-wigs" promise to put Daytona
in N2. What was actually said, by either Ed or Adam, was that continued
efforts to make an infringing version of Daytona would likely sabotage
Papyrus' efforts to secure the rights to it.
I heard Marc Nelson (SRN) say recently that Sega had managed to secure
exclusive rights to Daytona for another 3 years. If so, that means no
Daytona for N2, and perhaps no Daytona for N3. But before you start
lambasting Papyrus for it, get the facts straight: It was never in their
hands to decide this. As I understand it, Sega's agreement with ISC gave
them an option to renew their exclusive rights, and it appears that they
exercised that option. Se Fine.
Dave (davids) Sparks
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n Nascar 2 at Darlington with Daytona USA on it...........
The corporate big-wigs stepped in and said NO NO NO because Daytona was
getting pissed off
and wwe could have ruined ANY CHANCE at getting the license from them.
Nobody at Papy or Sierra
ever said it would be included in the initial release of Nascar 2. In
fact Adam had said
numerous times that the the license with SEGA does not expire until April.
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>Personally, the cynic in me is just waiting for a the proverbial other
>shoe to drop--if an official Daytona track gets released.
>Imagine this: the Daytona track would ONLY be distributed if you are a
>paying member of the NRO!
And I thought *I* was a cynic!
Yaz just neverz knowz.
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> : Yeah - like we all haven't heard their broken promises before. It was
> only
> : months ago that the Daytona patch was on the verge of releasing and the
> : corporate big-wigs jumped in and said NO NO NO - if you cease and desist
they
obtained and there would be no copyright infringments. It seems to me that
this has been the word for almost a year and that the Daytona name would be
available in the first half of '97'. Most of the sim-racers I've talked to
have heard the same thing, so what's the big deal, give Papyrus a chance
because I'm sure they want to get it in there also as much as we all do.
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> we will > : put Daytona in N2. Well the patch was promptly SNUFFED OUT and now 4 > months > : later NO DAYTONA. > Hi Mark, I can assure that nobody, read nobody, said if you don't release > the Daytona patch we'll let Papyrus put it in the game. I think whatQuoted text (8 lines)
> said was, don't release the Daytona patch or we'll sue your ass. And I > might add, rightly so. In copyright/trademark law, you must do everything > possible to protect your trademark, or you lose it. Period. > Adam > Papyrus > My understanding was Daytona would be added when a license could beshooting through ***space:
Your understanding is mostly correct -- Papyrus first needs to secure
a license (doesn't have to be exclusive) to use the track and its
likenesses. ISC are more apt to give such a license if there aren't
some slap-happy pirateers on the Internet flaunting a hacked Daytona
in their faces.
However, it's not gonna happen any time soon. If you've noticed,
Daytona USA is now out for PC, which leads me to believe that Sega
exercised their right to renew the exclusive license for another three
years.
FWIW, Papyrus wants to do Daytona and Indianapolis DESPERATELY, but
the licensing issue is preventing it. Those on r.a.s. that are
condemning the Watertown gang for the problem are shooting blanks at
the wrong target.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Forget Daytona. Give me
Hickory, NC. and I'll be happy.
David Martin
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I heard the same thing.
C'est la vie, and so what? It's only a track, and while it would be nice
to have it's hardly the end of the world.
Cheers!
John
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Perhaps you missed some key Daytona-related posts a while back, but
Papyrus cannot provide the track with NASCAR 2 strictly because of
licensing reasons. Sega has the exclusive rights to use the track in
their software and cartridge games, from what I understand. It is not
a conscious decision by Papyrus and/or Sierra to disappoint the NASCAR
faithful by not including a track with the Daytona likeness, it is
purely a legal issue. So anyone that attempts to provide such a track
without permission is not "sticking it" to Papyrus, they're
challenging the law and risking the possibility of severe fines and or
jail time.
If this is true, then why in the credits for Nascar 2 when you're exiting
the game does it list Daytona USA, used by permission of
etc....etc...etc....???
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> writes > >I heard Marc Nelson (SRN) say recently that Sega had managed to secure > >exclusive rights to Daytona for another 3 years. If so, that means no > >Daytona for N2, and perhaps no Daytona for N3. But before you start > >lambasting Papyrus for it, get the facts straight: It was never in their > >hands to decide this. As I understand it, Sega's agreement with ISC gave > >them an option to renew their exclusive rights, and it appears that they > >exercised that option. Se Fine. > I heard the same thing. > C'est la vie, and so what? It's only a track, and while it would be nice > to have it's hardly the end of the world. > Cheers! > John > _________________________________ > __ _____| |_____ __ > ________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |________Quoted text (28 lines)
> Perhaps you missed some key Daytona-related posts a while back, but > Papyrus cannot provide the track with NASCAR 2 strictly because of > licensing reasons. Sega has the exclusive rights to use the track in > their software and cartridge games, from what I understand. It is not > a conscious decision by Papyrus and/or Sierra to disappoint the NASCAR > faithful by not including a track with the Daytona likeness, it is > purely a legal issue. So anyone that attempts to provide such a track > without permission is not "sticking it" to Papyrus, they're > challenging the law and risking the possibility of severe fines and or > jail time. > >So now that NASCAR 2 is out and Daytona was NOT included how about some of you > >hacking wizards producing a DAYTONA Patch. > >I remember this topic was considered off limits and Daytona threatened everybody > >who was attempting to release the patch a few months ago but now that we once > >again do not get to race Daytona lets stick it to em and get our OWN TRACK out > >there. > >With the recent release of DAYTONA USA (which sucks by the way) there should be > >plenty of graphics and artwork to use as source material for a NASCAR 2 > >compatible version of this track. > >HOW ABOUT IT???> If this is true, then why in the credits for Nascar 2 when you're exiting
> the game does it list Daytona USA, used by permission of
> etc....etc...etc....???
From what I've heard there is a billboard in the game somewhere that says
Daytona USA. I guess they have to liscense that also.
Happy Holidays
It's in the calendar file...
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On 15 Dec 1996 18:29:11 GMT, "Joshua Walsh"
>If this is true, then why in the credits for Nascar 2 when you're exiting
>the game does it list Daytona USA, used by permission of
>etc....etc...etc....???
The billboard is for Daytona USA, the theme park, not the
track.
> > Perhaps you missed some key Daytona-related posts a while back, but
> > Papyrus cannot provide the track with NASCAR 2 strictly because of
> > licensing reasons. Sega has the exclusive rights to use the track in
> Perhaps u didnt hear bout it bn up in aprl huh?. so papy can work it out
> in aprl.
Actually, they can probably work on it now. They just can't release it
for sale until they get the license.
David Martin
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>Subject: Re: DAYTONA Patch for NASCAR 2 >Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:42:14 +0000 >>If this is true, then why in the credits for Nascar 2 when you're exiting >>the game does it list Daytona USA, used by permission of >>etc....etc...etc....??? >It's in the calendar file... > _________________________________ > __ _____| |_____ __ >________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |________ > \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < > / :|__|::|____/ * Sim Racing News * \____|::|__| \ >/______:/ \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/ \._____\ > http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnewsBecause one of the tracks has a Daytona USA billboard... The permission
was solely to use the logo on that billboard. Believe me, if we had the
rights to Daytona, you'd have the track on your CD...
---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus
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>>If this is true, then why in the credits for Nascar 2 when you're exiting >>the game does it list Daytona USA, used by permission of >>etc....etc...etc....??? >Because one of the tracks has a Daytona USA billboard... The permission >was solely to use the logo on that billboard. Believe me, if we had the >rights to Daytona, you'd have the track on your CD... >---Jim Sokoloff, PapyrusQuoted text (15 lines)
> >If this is true, then why in the credits for Nascar 2 when you're exiting > >the game does it list Daytona USA, used by permission of > >etc....etc...etc....??? > It's in the calendar file... > _________________________________ > __ _____| |_____ __ > ________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |________ > \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < > / :|__|::|____/ * Sim Racing News * \____|::|__| \ > /______:/ \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/ \._____\ > http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnewsQuoted text (15 lines)
> >>If this is true, then why in the credits for Nascar 2 when you're exiting > >>the game does it list Daytona USA, used by permission of > >>etc....etc...etc....??? > >Because one of the tracks has a Daytona USA billboard... The permission > >was solely to use the logo on that billboard. Believe me, if we had the > >rights to Daytona, you'd have the track on your CD... > >---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus > Jim, if I'm not mistaken you guys have a display at the Daytona USA > themepark don't you? I assume that if you can get hold of the Daytona > International Speedway rights this spring you'll be able to get it out > fast because of your version at Daytona USA? :) > BradWhatdaya mean - "COULD BE"....they are racing Daytona right now over at
Papyrus....
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> >> >---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus > >> Jim, if I'm not mistaken you guys have a display at the Daytona USA > >> themepark don't you? I assume that if you can get hold of the Daytona > >> International Speedway rights this spring you'll be able to get it out > >> fast because of your version at Daytona USA? :) > >> Brad > >Yep who knows they could be secretly working on a track pack right now. > >-- > Whatdaya mean - "COULD BE"....they are racing Daytona right now over at > Papyrus....Quoted text (23 lines)
>Subject: Re: DAYTONA Patch for NASCAR 2 >Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 00:18:53 -0500 >> >> >---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus >> >> Jim, if I'm not mistaken you guys have a display at the Daytona USA >> >> themepark don't you? I assume that if you can get hold of the Daytona >> >> International Speedway rights this spring you'll be able to get it out >> >> fast because of your version at Daytona USA? :) >> >> Brad >> >Yep who knows they could be secretly working on a track pack right now. >> >-- >> Whatdaya mean - "COULD BE"....they are racing Daytona right now over at >> Papyrus.... >Just for the record, we do have an interactive exhibit of a qualifying >run at the Daytona USA amu***t facility. That track model is not >compatible with the off the shelf version of NASCAR 1. In fact, we >excluded Daytona from our in-house racing series because we didn't have >the Daytona track in the right format for us to use. We don't have it, >and even if we did, we do not have the rights to release it in any form. >---Jim Sokoloff, PapyrusPMFJI, but Sega has the rights tied up on Daytona for the next
three years...sorry to be the one to tell ya' :(
Best Regards,
Marc J. Nelson
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> Benzer) writes: > >All we want to know is if there is a chance. > PMFJI, but Sega has the rights tied up on Daytona for the next > three years...sorry to be the one to tell ya' :( > Best Regards, > Marc J. Nelsonwrites:
Not I...I would figure that Sega would want to stick their noses in all
the
files, and given that the game Daytona-USA is a pile of crap, Papyrus is
better-off without this headache.
Best Regards,
Marc J. Nelson
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DAYTONA USA is a big piece of shit - you think that Daytona would want their
track represented by a professional simulation software firm rather than some
3rd rate arcade piece of crap.... I can't believe SEGA got the rights for 3
more years. Daytona must be as screwed up as Indy these days.....
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>writes: >>Seeing is its all about $$$$, how many of us would pay sega 5$ on top >>of the track cost just to race at daytona? I probably would, sega would >>make some $$$ for doing nothing and we could all just get along. Or is >>that too simple???? >Not I...I would figure that Sega would want to stick their noses in all >the >files, and given that the game Daytona-USA is a pile of crap, Papyrus is >better-off without this headache. >Best Regards, >Marc J. Nelson >Sim Racing News - USA >http://members.aol.com/simracing/index.htmQuoted text (29 lines)
> DAYTONA USA is a big piece of shit - you think that Daytona would want their > track represented by a professional simulation software firm rather than some > 3rd rate arcade piece of crap.... I can't believe SEGA got the rights for 3 > more years. Daytona must be as screwed up as Indy these days..... > >writes: > >>Seeing is its all about $$$$, how many of us would pay sega 5$ on top > >>of the track cost just to race at daytona? I probably would, sega would > >>make some $$$ for doing nothing and we could all just get along. Or is > >>that too simple???? > >Not I...I would figure that Sega would want to stick their noses in all > >the > >files, and given that the game Daytona-USA is a pile of crap, Papyrus is > >better-off without this headache. > >Best Regards, > >Marc J. Nelson > >Sim Racing News - USA > >http://members.aol.com/simracing/index.htm > All the 5$ is for is the right to use the daytona name- (like a sublet aprtment?) like you I think the sega version blows wind, in fact without the daytona name it probly wouldn't sell at all. By paying sega for the priviledge of using a track that should be here anyway, we would also be paying them to stay out of the product that was produced. Here's 5$, you see nothing, you hear nothing, you know nothing, Get it? that's also why it won't happen, cuz the laywers wouldn't have nothig to do after they wrote the 2 sentences it would take to do it.Quoted text (17 lines)
> writes: > >Seeing is its all about $$$$, how many of us would pay sega 5$ on top > >of the track cost just to race at daytona? I probably would, sega would > >make some $$$ for doing nothing and we could all just get along. Or is > >that too simple???? > Not I...I would figure that Sega would want to stick their noses in all > the > files, and given that the game Daytona-USA is a pile of crap, Papyrus is > better-off without this headache. > Best Regards, > Marc J. Nelson > Sim Racing News - USA > [link lost in import]On Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:18:32 -0500, Bill Hutson
>Question-Why in the hell would Daytona sell rights to Sega when Daytona
>USA is just a game with 1 mile and a half or so oval that doesn't look
>anything like Daytona and two freakin road coarses? My god! They must be
>the dumbest sons da ***es in the world! Why didn't they just name
>their game Pocono Usa?
The almighty dollar my friend. Daytona is a bigger name than Pocono
(by far), and Sega was willing to pay multiple millions of dollars for
the rights to use the Daytona name. From a counting-the-beans business
standpoint, Daytona did the right thing...
If Sega wants to license my name for that kind of money, they sure as
hell can!!!
---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus
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> On Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:18:32 -0500, Bill Hutson > >Question-Why in the hell would Daytona sell rights to Sega when Daytona > >USA is just a game with 1 mile and a half or so oval that doesn't look > >anything like Daytona and two freakin road coarses? My god! They must be > >the dumbest sons da ***es in the world! Why didn't they just name > >their game Pocono Usa? > The almighty dollar my friend. Daytona is a bigger name than Pocono > (by far), and Sega was willing to pay multiple millions of dollars for > the rights to use the Daytona name. From a counting-the-beans business > standpoint, Daytona did the right thing... > If Sega wants to license my name for that kind of money, they sure as > hell can!!!writes:
Now thats what I love about Jim posting in here.
Hes got the balls to be honest and tell it like it is :-)
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> writes: > >The almighty dollar my friend. Daytona is a bigger name than Pocono > >(by far), and Sega was willing to pay multiple millions of dollars for > >the rights to use the Daytona name. From a counting-the-beans business > >standpoint, Daytona did the right thing... > >If Sega wants to license my name for that kind of money, they sure as > >hell can!!! > >---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus > Now thats what I love about Jim posting in here. > Hes got the balls to be honest and tell it like it is :-)Quoted text (10 lines)
>> Why have they let Papyrus build ans install the Daytona track ther eand not >> released in NASCAR 2 is a good Q. for the Sierra folks and ISC >> (International Speedway Corp.) Any Official Comments? > I (personally) want to include Daytona with our products. Sega's > license (from ISC) prevents us from doing that, as our product is for > home entertainment on computers. > IMO, Sierra/Papyrus are not the bad guys here, capriciously > withholding Daytona from you. (What would we possibly have to gain by > doing that?)After all these posts. Has anyone been to the new Daytona USA attraction in
Daytona? Right in the middle of the place are 12 or so racing sims set up.
ALL of them are the Daytona track (very realistic) where you can run a
couple qualifying laps. This software is Papyrus NASCAR racing!. Not Sega!
Why have they let Papyrus build ans install the Daytona track ther eand not
released in NASCAR 2 is a good Q. for the Sierra folks and ISC
(International Speedway Corp.) Any Official Comments?
Keith Miller.
BTW I clocked 188.23 lap there, they have a huge LED scoreboard with the
top 10 times. Very Cool.
Hapy New Year!
I don't know if it will help, but if this DAYTONA/SEGA arrangement
bothers anyone, try the discussion section of http://www.daytonausa.com/
This is the web site for International Speedway Corporation, the parent
company of Daytona, Talladega, etc. Maybe ISC would be impressed by a
lot of postings from NASCAR sim fans. After all, from their
perspective, this is ultimately about furthering the fan interest in the
real sport, isn't it? NASCAR Racing has to be better at that than a
SEGA game. Maybe one of their bean-counters is a sim fan!
This is UNOFFICIAL. (IANAL, I'm just an engineer.) This is my take on
things:
Sega has exclusive license for home and arcade versions of "Daytona."
Daytona USA licensed from ISC the rights to use the track and
contracted with Papyrus to develop the Daytona Time Trials stations
you mention.
I (personally) want to include Daytona with our products. Sega's
license (from ISC) prevents us from doing that, as our product is for
home entertainment on computers.
IMO, Sierra/Papyrus are not the bad guys here, capriciously
withholding Daytona from you. (What would we possibly have to gain by
doing that?)
---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus, but this message is 100% certified
UNOFFICIAL. It DOES NOT represent the views or opinions of
Papyrus/Sierra/CUC.
Since it is obvious Sierra/Papyrus cannot legally produce the Daytona
track maybe it is time for the hackers to take over <G>
Do that, and that will wreck what slim chance Papyrus/Sierra/CUC has of
EVER
getting the rights to Daytona!
Why don't you just 'chill', and wait? I'm sure it will be worth it, in
the end.
The only thing that dosn't make any sense to me, other then money is, you
would think if Nascar is going to have
a hand in NRO you would think they would want to have
there most reconiced track in the game. Just my $.02
Are you proposing "chilling and waiting" three years???
: This is UNOFFICIAL. (IANAL, I'm just an engineer.) This is my take on
: things:
: Sega has exclusive license for home and arcade versions of "Daytona."
: Daytona USA licensed from ISC the rights to use the track and
: contracted with Papyrus to develop the Daytona Time Trials stations
: you mention.
: I (personally) want to include Daytona with our products. Sega's
: license (from ISC) prevents us from doing that, as our product is for
: home entertainment on computers.
: IMO, Sierra/Papyrus are not the bad guys here, capriciously
: withholding Daytona from you. (What would we possibly have to gain by
: doing that?)
Jim, I am not sure that I call what I do with NASCAR2 "home
entertainment". I am not sure what I call it, but it is something else,
I certainly put a heck of alot of effort into it. What if the majority
of us all agree that it is something other than "entertainment", could
we be able to get your corp. lawyers to find a loop-hole for us? <G>
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Hmmmm, that was the situation several months ago, but now the license
has gone bye-bye for another number of years. Track editors may now be
dusting off their tools....
I'm not so sure, but admire your confidence.
Cheers!
John
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> >Do that, and that will wreck what slim chance Papyrus/Sierra/CUC has of > >EVER > >getting the rights to Daytona! > Hmmmm, that was the situation several months ago, but now the license > has gone bye-bye for another number of years. Track editors may now be > dusting off their tools.... > >Why don't you just 'chill', and wait? I'm sure it will be worth it, in > >the end. > I'm not so sure, but admire your confidence. > Cheers! > John > _________________________________ > __ _____| |_____ __ > ________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |________ > \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < > / :|__|::|____/ * Sim Racing News * \____|::|__| \ > /______:/ \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/ \._____\ > http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnewsJed, hopefully others can read between the lines you have posted
get the gist of what you have said! By the way thanks for all your past
work!
Pete
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> As the saying goes, "All good things come to those who wait" so > practice the other circuit, cause I'm pretty sure one day, God knows > when, we'll get Daytona and if it's on NRO, you'll need all the > practice you can get. > Cheers > Jed > The Pits - http://www.thepits.demon.co.ukI don't care what they call it, or if they include a track editor, I just
want to race it. I'd bet that maybe the track is already built and the
Papyrus have raced it, they just cant give it to us as Daytona... But I
like your idea... Call it anything they like...
> Solution-Sierra should make a track exactly like Daytona called "Dayton"
> That way it could be a fantasy track in Dayton, OH. Then, include a
> track editor to add the "a" on the wall. Just my $0.02
> Happy New Year
> Have fun Tonight!
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>: This is UNOFFICIAL. (IANAL, I'm just an engineer.) This is my take on >: things: >: Sega has exclusive license for home and arcade versions of "Daytona." >: Daytona USA licensed from ISC the rights to use the track and >: contracted with Papyrus to develop the Daytona Time Trials stations >: you mention. >: I (personally) want to include Daytona with our products. Sega's >: license (from ISC) prevents us from doing that, as our product is for >: home entertainment on computers. >: IMO, Sierra/Papyrus are not the bad guys here, capriciously >: withholding Daytona from you. (What would we possibly have to gain by >: doing that?) >Jim, I am not sure that I call what I do with NASCAR2 "home >entertainment". I am not sure what I call it, but it is something else, >I certainly put a heck of alot of effort into it. What if the majority >of us all agree that it is something other than "entertainment", could >we be able to get your corp. lawyers to find a loop-hole for us? <G>Okay, and which 8-digit number would you prefer sewn onto the front of
your jumpsuit?
Kyle Langston
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> >Since it is obvious Sierra/Papyrus cannot legally produce the Daytona
> >track maybe it is time for the hackers to take over <G>
> Do that, and that will wreck what slim chance Papyrus/Sierra/CUC has of
> EVER
> getting the rights to Daytona!
I fail to understand the logic of how what some hacker does will affect
the decisions of the corporate world where only money and influence
counts.
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