SIERRA - Where is the patch for Nascar2 ?

Man, we all griped about getting it.. Now we want it perfect, imagine that... But while I'm on the subject.. 1) I can not save my setups.... 2) I haven't been able to get any decals on the rear deck lid in the paintshop.... Oh, btw, hehe... DO NOT CLICK ON THAT LITTLE SETUP ARROW IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WRITTEN BESIDE IT... BAD THINGS HAPPEN...

As far as I know you can't put decals there. It's not a bug, just a design limitation. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

I go to configure my joystick/keyboard and I now am not able to use the Left Shift and Left Ctrl buttons for the gas/brakes. Let's correct this unless there is some keyboard conflict with these buttons. Andrew

Do the full install. I had the same problem running from the minimum install, but it saves fine if you do the full install. David You're only young once, but you can stay immature forever.

> I go to configure my joystick/keyboard and I now am not able to use the > Left Shift and Left Ctrl buttons for the gas/brakes. Let's correct this > unless there is some keyboard conflict with these buttons. > Andrew These keys are already in use by the game, so you can't use them. Try A and Z instead.

> I go to configure my joystick/keyboard and I now am not able to use the > Left Shift and Left Ctrl buttons for the gas/brakes. Let's correct this > unless there is some keyboard conflict with these buttons. > Andrew The games been out for what a week? You people just don't get it! There is a reason it was delayed in the first place, these things take time, don't start a bunch of posts only a week after it's release DEMANDING a patch. It's unrealistic and at best all it'll do is***people off. Brian Kinkaid bnk29 on Hawaii

> > I go to configure my joystick/keyboard and I now am not able to use the > > Left Shift and Left Ctrl buttons for the gas/brakes. Let's correct this

Quoted text (13 lines)

> > unless there is some keyboard conflict with these buttons. > > Andrew > The games been out for what a week? > You people just don't get it! There is a reason it was delayed > in the first place, these things take time, don't start a bunch of posts > only a week after it's release DEMANDING a patch. It's unrealistic > and at best all it'll do is***people off. > Brian Kinkaid > bnk29 on Hawaii

I agree with Brian, Papyrus has been good about patches so far but the first step is letting them know the bugs and then give'em time to do the patch. I, like others have had bugs and posted them ((the worst being no chat in net play (in the chat room, not the race)) so post the bugs and let them work on it.

All a sane person would be asking at this time is that the problems around here have been acknowledged and they are working as hard as possible to correct them for us. ATM all we have had in response so far is about the SAVE and that was a simple "We have no plans to add it". So my confidence in general with that reply was shaken a bit. Silence is scary. I have sent E-mail to Papy, and all I recieved back was that the programming team was forward the message. What happened from there I don't know. Q.B.M.

Maybe if it pisses em off they will get off their fat asses and do something about it. > > I go to configure my joystick/keyboard and I now am not able to use the > > Left Shift and Left Ctrl buttons for the gas/brakes. Let's correct this

Quoted text (13 lines)

> > unless there is some keyboard conflict with these buttons. > > Andrew > The games been out for what a week? > You people just don't get it! There is a reason it was delayed > in the first place, these things take time, don't start a bunch of posts > only a week after it's release DEMANDING a patch. It's unrealistic > and at best all it'll do is***people off. > Brian Kinkaid > bnk29 on Hawaii

>Maybe if it pisses em off they will get off their fat asses and do >something about it. I can assure you that your post has not inspired me in any way to do anything about anything. We are working on several issues that we know are not right. However, experience has shown us that pretty much anything we say about patches, upcoming releases, upcoming features, etc in rec.auto.sim comes back to bite us. Most of the Papyrus employees that read r.a.s. are here reading these posts and responding on our own time, from our own accounts. Posts like yours don't do much to inspire management to take r.a.s. seriously... Papyrus, speaking for myself here.

As a programmer (not Sierra/Papyrus) I have to remind folks who are already demanding a patch that these things cannot be turned out overnight. We sometimes work 14 hour days meeting deadlines..and generally once the project is completed, there is another one to begin right away. Rest? LOL...a neat concept but not a reality for most of us. As Mr. Sokoloff posted they are aware of several issues and Papyrus has always been very thorough in their work. N1 was 99.9% bug free after the second patch..the only problems being an occassional HOG and the annoying 56-mph pit speed goof while using autobrake. Enjoy the sim, note any problems, post them, and I'm sure if the problem is more than just esoteric it will be addressed in the near future. We all know about the save race feature, continuing to post about it is wasting band width. Thanks.

snip Thank You. Q.B.M.

Jim, Please disregard post's like this from morons. You guys are doing a great job and have again upped the standard of racing simulators. BTW, When are you going to build a Sprint Car sim? :) Regards, ---Wayne

Quoted text (18 lines)

> >Maybe if it pisses em off they will get off their fat asses and do > >something about it. > I can assure you that your post has not inspired me in any way to do > anything about anything. > We are working on several issues that we know are not right. However, > experience has shown us that pretty much anything we say about patches, > upcoming releases, upcoming features, etc in rec.auto.sim comes back to > bite us. > Most of the Papyrus employees that read r.a.s. are here reading these > posts and responding on our own time, from our own accounts. Posts like > yours don't do much to inspire management to take r.a.s. seriously... > Papyrus, speaking for myself here.

Quoted text (18 lines)

>>Maybe if it pisses em off they will get off their fat asses and do >>something about it. >I can assure you that your post has not inspired me in any way to do >anything about anything. >We are working on several issues that we know are not right. However, >experience has shown us that pretty much anything we say about patches, >upcoming releases, upcoming features, etc in rec.auto.sim comes back to >bite us. >Most of the Papyrus employees that read r.a.s. are here reading these >posts and responding on our own time, from our own accounts. Posts like >yours don't do much to inspire management to take r.a.s. seriously... >Papyrus, speaking for myself here.

Nicely put, on the mark, Jim. Just don't forget about kill lists in your newsreader so you can sift through the b.s. and find the serious r.a.s. posts. If you and other Sierra/Papyrus employees are here, you probably have a good idea of who and what you can "filter." Thanks for your comments. Kyle Stevens

I would like to appologize for my comments the other night .I have nothing against the Papyrus design group,But I am so angry with Sierra right now I could spit nails.But that is no excuse for my comment.So to the papyrus design group.My appologies. Eric

Quoted text (34 lines)

> Jim, > Please disregard post's like this from morons. You guys are > doing a great job and have again upped the standard of racing > simulators. > BTW, > When are you going to build a Sprint Car sim? :) > Regards, > ---Wayne > > >Maybe if it pisses em off they will get off their fat asses and do > > >something about it. > > I can assure you that your post has not inspired me in any way to do > > anything about anything. > > We are working on several issues that we know are not right. However, > > experience has shown us that pretty much anything we say about patches, > > upcoming releases, upcoming features, etc in rec.auto.sim comes back to > > bite us. > > Most of the Papyrus employees that read r.a.s. are here reading these > > posts and responding on our own time, from our own accounts. Posts like > > yours don't do much to inspire management to take r.a.s. seriously... > > ---Jim Sokoloff

> >Maybe if it pisses em off they will get off their fat asses and do > >something about it. > I can assure you that your post has not inspired me in any way to do > anything about anything. There always seems to be a lack of "constructive criticism" in here... This is not good. This forum should be the "ultimate" in getting ideas, and legitimate complaints across to ya guys, without being vicious. It seems a lot of people hit the keyboard without "thinking" first. There are many of us who DO appreciate having Papyrus employees reading this group. Unfortunately, there are MANY who post without a clue... Obviously if they knew better, they'd know that Papyrus employees are actually quite stealth in the hind quarters! ;) Larry Abels ____- /\ ____- /**\ HOME: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2412 __L_- /****\ __J_- /** -- **\ ____- /**/----\**\ Check my HOME Page for ORIGINAL ____- /**/ \**\ Modified Stock Car Stuff! - --- 812 ---

Amen..... Cheers! John _________________________________ __ _____| |_____ __ ________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |________ \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < / :|__|::|____/ * Sim Racing News * \____|::|__| \ /______:/ \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/ \._____\ http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnews

I think we should start a new newsgroup called rec.n2.iwantagamesave.simulators ;) -- I'm lost and I've gone to look for myself. > >Maybe if it pisses em off they will get off their fat asses and do > >something about it.

: >Maybe if it pisses em off they will get off their fat asses and do : >something about it. : I can assure you that your post has not inspired me in any way to do : anything about anything. : We are working on several issues that we know are not right. However, : experience has shown us that pretty much anything we say about patches, : upcoming releases, upcoming features, etc in rec.auto.sim comes back to : bite us. : Most of the Papyrus employees that read r.a.s. are here reading these : posts and responding on our own time, from our own accounts. Posts like : yours don't do much to inspire management to take r.a.s. seriously... : Papyrus, speaking for myself here. Jim, thanks for taking the time to respond to an idiot. And people wonder why we don't hear more from the people behind the products we love so much! My hats off to the folks at Papyrus. NASCAR2 (even with it's few minor flaws) was a wonderful early Christmas present. I am more than pleased with the final product. Great work! Remember for every 1 idiotic moronic post you read here there are at least a 1000 happy, loyal Papyrus fans. We may not all be pleased with one or 2 things with the product, but we have faith that the bugs will be taken care of. And maybe if we ask real nice, Adam will put you all back to work on the Save Game feature. Thanks again for allowing me the opportunity to have a great time racing NASCAR! -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Oh isn't this post just so lovey dovey. Some people act like a dog around here. Now I'm happy with the response from Papy. They should let us know what's happening. We didn't buy it for obvious bugs. If they don't do it here they either gonna get a returned product or a lot of phone calls. So to threaten us isn't in their best interest either. Obviously expecting something overnight is ridiculous. But IMO for general issues that are bugged, we should be looking at the latest January 1, 1997. If nobody is pulling our chain, somebody stated you guys had to wait 9 months for a ICR2 patch, well that is also ridiculous on their end. I think it's fact to say they released this program with bugs known to them. I don't feel we should have to completely roll over, when this tactic is made by a software company. My word on it is fix the stuff that the manual that doesn't work. Then go to the save if you choose, and by the looks of it you should include a save. Again thanks for the response, Adam. But also remeber you did let down a LOT of people with the save, me excluded since I run shorter races. I was let down with simple (common) bugs, that should be able to be fixed quickly. So with that Papy/Sierra should understand the critisism. I'm sure there had to be a programmer there somewhere that was saying to the executives, this program isn't ready and shouldn't be shipped. Exec's won again. Q.B.M.

Again, well said.

: As a programmer (not Sierra/Papyrus) I have to remind folks who are : already demanding a patch that these things cannot be turned out : overnight. We sometimes work 14 hour days meeting deadlines..and generally : once the project is completed, there is another one to begin right away. : Rest? LOL...a neat concept but not a reality for most of us. As Mr. : Sokoloff posted they are aware of several issues and Papyrus has always : been very thorough in their work. N1 was 99.9% bug free after the second : patch..the only problems being an occassional HOG and the annoying 56-mph : pit speed goof while using autobrake. Enjoy the sim, note any problems, : post them, and I'm sure if the problem is more than just esoteric it will : be addressed in the near future. We all know about the save race feature, : continuing to post about it is wasting band width. Thanks. I will agree with everything you stated. However, Sierra/Papyrus dropped the ball BIG time when it came around to fixing ICR2. I think we had to wait 9 months for a patch. A note to Sierra/Papyrus -- Do Not do this with NASCAR2. Beside the die-hard simmers, you now have 1000's of new Race Sim buyers for this product. This may be their first impression of Sierra/Papyrus, don't turn them off by not fixing the few minor problems in a timely manner. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>I think we should start a new newsgroup called > rec.n2.iwantagamesave.simulators ;) But if there was only a way to keep the cross-posters out. ;) *********************************************** * * * Karl aka The Dobeman * * Clan member of Zealot Wroth * * * *********************************************** * * * 1996 Ninja 500 1995 VW Golf * * 1995 Wife & 1990 Doberman * * * ***********************************************