Nascar 2 is out

>Subject: Nascar 2 is out >Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:40:59 GMT >My friend just called me and said that Nascar 2 is for sale at walmart >this is in the N.E Ohio area Really? How about going and getting it, then post some new screen shots here, I am sure nobody would mind a little proof. We have heard it all before, and I for one am not believing a word until Adam states it is a fact!

My friend just called me and said that Nascar 2 is for sale at walmart this is in the N.E Ohio area

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>>Subject: Nascar 2 is out >>Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:40:59 GMT >>My friend just called me and said that Nascar 2 is for sale at walmart >>this is in the N.E Ohio area >Really? >How about going and getting it, then post some new screen shots here, I am >sure nobody would mind a little proof. >We have heard it all before, and I for one am not believing a word until Adam >states it is a fact!

I cant due to the fact I asked for it for XMAS I wont see it untill dec 25 I personally did not see it but my best friend was at wal mart and saw 2 copies of it.I asked him he said yes it was nascar 2 I asked his wife she said it was Nascar 2.I will go to walmart tomorrow and take a look

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>>>Subject: Nascar 2 is out >>>Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:40:59 GMT >>>My friend just called me and said that Nascar 2 is for sale at walmart >>>this is in the N.E Ohio area >>Really? >>How about going and getting it, then post some new screen shots here, I am >>sure nobody would mind a little proof. >>We have heard it all before, and I for one am not believing a word until Adam >>states it is a fact! >I cant due to the fact I asked for it for XMAS >I wont see it untill dec 25 >I personally did not see it but my best friend was at wal mart and saw >2 copies of it.I asked him he said yes it was nascar 2 I asked his >wife she said it was Nascar 2.I will go to walmart tomorrow and take a >look

I just called 4 Walmarts in my area and they all said they never recieved any copies.

Remember all. The pictures on Nascar for Mac looks like Nascar 2, but it is Nascar 1. ! !

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> writes: > >>>Subject: Nascar 2 is out > >>>Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:40:59 GMT > >>>My friend just called me and said that Nascar 2 is for sale at walmart > >>>this is in the N.E Ohio area > >>Really?

I spoke with all the Best Buy stores in the Detroit area and they ALL said they had it! They All also said they were sold out! All others said NO they did not have it, period. With the mention of "rain checks", I am not convinced that Best Buy is being truthful. Botom line...lets be patient and please no whinning like was done while waiting for the release of GP2.

>Subject: Re: Nascar 2 is out >Date: 1 Dec 1996 04:45:26 GMT >I saw Elvis walking out with a copy of Nascar 2.... Then a flying saucer >came down and took the last copy... :-) >\|\_|\__/| | 9/18/96 Escalante >/||_| \/ |/\| Nat'l Monument Me too!!! A Best Buy employee said that Elvis was delivering all of the NASCAR 2 copies himself, seems he "borrowed" one of the spacecraft which abducted him, and has been contracted by Sierra to deliver NASCAR 2 in a more efficient manner.

I saw Elvis walking out with a copy of Nascar 2.... Then a flying saucer came down and took the last copy... :-) \|\_|\__/| | 9/18/96 Escalante /||_| \/ |/\| Nat'l Monument

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> > writes: > > >>>Subject: Nascar 2 is out > > >>>Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:40:59 GMT > > >>>My friend just called me and said that Nascar 2 is for sale at walmart > > >>>this is in the N.E Ohio area > > >>Really? > I spoke with all the Best Buy stores in the Detroit area and they ALL > said they had it! They All also said they were sold out! > All others said NO they did not have it, period. > With the mention of "rain checks", I am not convinced that Best Buy is > being truthful. > Botom line...lets be patient and please no whinning like was done > while waiting for the release of GP2.

Exactly! I mean, where have you guys been lately?!? Adam specifically said that he will let this NG know when they go gold with Nascar2, and I sure as hell haven't heard anything ... It's not out yet! -- Henrikki (Hena) Hakkanen Tel. +358-(9)0-345 5538 -------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are mine and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer

<<I saw Elvis walking out with a copy of Nascar 2.... Then a flying saucer came down and took the last copy... :-) >> Damn... hate it when that happens! Did the ship you saw have "TCB" and a lightning bolt anywhere near the back? It may have been Lisa Marie... where's Oliver Stone to make a movie about this when you need him... Nick -------------------------------------------------------------- #6 & #94 in the quest for the cup My home away from home... http://www.mindspring.com/~ntotoro/ --------------------------------------------------------------

No, it couldn't have been Elvis, are u sure it wasn't good 'ol saint nick and his wife. I thought i seen some reindeer with him too. Nascar 2 isn't out yet people, so whoever thinks it is then get over it and be patient. Marc

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> >Subject: Re: Nascar 2 is out > >Date: 1 Dec 1996 04:45:26 GMT > >I saw Elvis walking out with a copy of Nascar 2.... Then a flying saucer > >came down and took the last copy... :-) > >\|\_|\__/| | 9/18/96 Escalante > >/||_| \/ |/\| Nat'l Monument > Me too!!! > A Best Buy employee said that Elvis was delivering all of the NASCAR 2 copies > himself, seems he "borrowed" one of the spacecraft which abducted him, and has > been contracted by Sierra to deliver NASCAR 2 in a more efficient manner.

I heard Sierra moved its headquaters out near Area51. So Elvis and ET could test drive Nascar 2. And begin working on Nascar 4. -- The wise man can pick up a grain of sand and envision a whole universe, but the stupid man will just lay down on some seaweed and roll around until he's completely draped in it. Then he'll stand up and go, "Hey, I'm Vine Man." Jack Handey.

Man, that was funny about what you said with elvis and et man. About them working on nascar 4. Hey by the way, was abraham Lincoln with them? (Burnin ***) Marc

Wow, it's really amazing how many times you have to come up here and explain things over and over again. NASCAR 2 is not out yet. We did go Gold the Monday before Thanksgiving, so I would guess the product will be on the shelves sometime next week (or the week after). Usually takes about two weeks to produce. Adam Papyrus

We did go > Gold the Monday before Thanksgiving, so I would guess the product will be > on the shelves sometime next week (or the week after). Usually takes > about two weeks to produce. > Adam > Papyrus Adam, Thanks for your attempt to clear things up, BUT the term "go Gold" doesn't mean anything to most folks. Further you are talking about the period from 02 DEC thru 16 DEC and then "guessing" it will be on someones shelves during that period because it "Usually" takes about two weeks. What most of us are interested in is, when to expect the mail order copies we bought from Sierra on the same day we received the offer in the mail. If I see the program at Babbages, Egghead, CompUSA, or Joe's Software, before the "upgrade" mail orders are filled, I have bought my last Sierra product! We all love Papy, but Sierra has that reputation..... It is vague forecasts that spawn rumors. From your post all I know is that I should be able to go to town and buy Nascar II before Christmas. After all three weeks is "about" two weeks. And then if I wait for my mail order copy, I could be getting into the Christmas mail crunch which means receiving the sim during that little window between Christmas and New Years. Perhaps those who didn't respond to the mailer early are looking at January delivery. I appreciate your effort, but don't criticize the rumon mongers when all you really do is fuel the rumor mill. How about some REAL info? respectfully, ra

:>> :> We did go :>> Gold the Monday before Thanksgiving, so I would guess the product will be :>> on the shelves sometime next week (or the week after). Usually takes :>> about two weeks to produce. :>> :>> Adam :>> Papyrus :> :>Adam, :> :> ...snip... :> :>What most of us are interested in is, when to expect the mail order :>copies we bought from Sierra on the same day we received the offer in :>the mail. If I see the program at Babbages, Egghead, CompUSA, or Joe's :>Software, before the "upgrade" mail orders are filled, I have bought my :>last Sierra product! We all love Papy, but Sierra has that :>reputation..... Forgive me if this isn't an obvious question, but if you knew Sierra had this reputation, why did you mail order it? First, you people slam the Papy folks for not saying anything, and then you slam them for saying something. Make up your ***in minds and stop whining ABOUT A GODDAMN GAME! Sierra/Papy knows how bad everybody wants this game, and they are well aware of the dollars that aren't flowing into their pockets dues to the delays. They're probably leaning on Papy pretty damned hard to finish the sucker, and speaking as a programmer, I know their development staff doesn't need any more pressure than they're already getting. So lighten the *** up and go play ICR2 until NCR2 is out. To the Papy staff - just keep doing what you're doing and don't let these idots rush you into a buggy release. Also, I think you can safely ignore those with no experience in lead times where ads are concerned. I'll buy NCR2 when it comes out, and I'm sure plenty of other folks will, too. /===================================================\ | John Simmons (Redneck Techno-Biker) | | http://www.paddedwall.org/john | \===================================================/

<<Wow, it's really amazing how many times you have to come up here and explain things over and over again. NASCAR 2 is not out yet. We did go Gold the Monday before Thanksgiving, so I would guess the product will be on the shelves sometime next week (or the week after). Usually takes about two weeks to produce. Adam Papyrus>> Thanks for the official update. We will look for it around mid-month. Now we don't have to read posts like "My brothers cousin's mailman's autistic nephew that lives in Kalamazoo saw Elvis buying it at Target with a coupon for $3.99" Ugh

Roger, This is another one of those posts that is due to not understanding the way the software industry works... So, let me throw some explanation out, so that we might clear up some of the misunderstandings that comtinue to run rampant here. First, I'd like to say to Adam, a huge thank you for giving us the information that they have finished the product and that it went to production (that's what going gold means) last Monday. By no means is this fueling the rumor mill. Adam gave us REAL information, the product has started manufacturing. As for concrete dates on when any store or person will get the products, well that is subject to so many factors it's not funny. First, for all of those people who ordered directly from Sierra, that order is processed just like at any other software RESELLER. the manufacturing plant sends a bunch of copies to the Sierra direct sales department, who then packages them, slaps labels on them, and ships them out. Thus, the amount of time from the when the product goes into production to when you get your direct order copy is contingent on a bunch of things. How far down the list is your name? How many copies is the direct sales department able to process per day? and so on. So some people high up on the list might get their copy with 2 weeks, others might take 3 or so. Second, for the stores. Well, their orders go through distibutors, such as Ingram Micro (the largest distributor out their) or are sometime shipped directly from the manufacturer. Their orders are for HUGE numbers of copies, so a whole pallet of boxes can just be shipped to them, meaning that there is no need for people to process individual orders, and thus the stores get their copies in a more efficient manner. But their orders are affected by shipping schedules, going to store warehouses before individual stores, etc. So, it is very possible that some stores get copies before other stores and even before some of the people that direct ordered the product. It is because of the fact that the process by which stores get copies of products is more efficient (and by the way less expensive for the software manufacturer) that I NEVER order from the manufacturer, as I have not known a case where I could get the product faster that way when it first shipped. Adam gave us the best information he could, which is that the product is definitely released, and that basically, anyone that says after today that they have it, damn well might. For that we should again give him a big thank you, and quit all the whining and griping that gives a lot of end users a bad name in the eyes of the people that have the task of trying to create great software and support it after the fact. As for criticizing the rumor mongers, I don't remember ever truly seeing Adam do that, all I've seen him do is say "it's not done yet, and hang on, we'll get it done soon as we can". I for one have in some cases been amused by some of the posts regarding it being out there, but most of the time have been distressed by the ignorance shown in a lot of these posts. A wise person once said, "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all". Well, in this case I think it's appropriate. We need to thank Adam and all the Papyrus guys that worked so hard to get the new version out, and also remember that Sierra has given them more resources (financially, etc.) to work with. Richard Roddy The author's opinion is completely independent of, and not representative of the views of the Microsoft Corporation. Microsoft cannot be held responsible for the independent views of the author.

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> Roger, > This is another one of those posts that is due to not understanding the way > the software industry works... > So, let me throw some explanation out, so that we might clear up some of > the misunderstandings that comtinue to run rampant here. >Richard,

You answered a number of questions for me and I certainly appreciate it. You are absolutely right when you many do not understand how the software industry works. I now have a much better understanding of the situation and in the future I will do as you and decline mail oreder offers on new software. I am one of the unlucky few who got gouged on the price. I would have been better off waiting for a "retail" copy. I think it is important for this newsgroup to get these things out in the open and that is basically all I intended to do. There is precious little information exchanged in this particular group compared to some I have seen (c'serve fight sim forum for instance). I think I also expressed my appreciation for Adams efforts, but because of my unfamiliarity with the official jargon I was unable to derive much new info from his post. Of course my only dismay where Sierra is concerned is that small firms like Papyrus, and thousands of others, whom many of us work for end up in the ownership of the "Sierras" of the world. Yes it is a fact of life in business today, but it is still sad to see a small company slowly lose its identity in exchange for marketing enhancements, legal security, operating funds, etc. Once again Richard, thanks for the info. ra

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> Wow, it's really amazing how many times you have to come up here and > explain things over and over again. NASCAR 2 is not out yet. We did go > Gold the Monday before Thanksgiving, so I would guess the product will be > on the shelves sometime next week (or the week after). Usually takes > about two weeks to produce. > Adam > Papyrus

Finally Adam clears things up for us. Sierra should make clones of him to man their phone lines. Thanks Adam. -- The wise man can pick up a grain of sand and envision a whole universe, but the stupid man will just lay down on some seaweed and roll around until he's completely draped in it. Then he'll stand up and go, "Hey, I'm Vine Man." Jack Handey.

Hi Roger, One thing I learned along time ago when posting information on-line, is that you really have to be vague. I only know when the game started to be manufactured. I really don't know when it will be out, only that it takes about 2 weeks for it to get on the shelves once it goes "Gold" (into manufacturing). This time can be shortend if certain things are rushed. The reason I don't like putting specific dates is that if one little thing goes wrong, say, it's supposed to be done on x date and it doesn't get done till x+y, then you get flamed left and right because you "lied" to everyone. Remember the N2 demo and how much grief occured because of that. So, I would be fine with giving more specific dates (when I know them) as long as you guys don't flame the hell out of me, Sierra, etc if those dates are missed. Adam Papyrus

>snippety snip >I appreciate your effort, but don't criticize the rumon mongers when all >you really do is fuel the rumor mill. How about some REAL info? >respectfully, Take a downer Roger! I think what Adam has posted is great information (Thanx a bunch Adam!). I've read lots of posts about Nascar 2 being pushed back to the end of Jan, so when we are now being told that it's gonna be here well before x-mas, I'm personally e***d! And to the post I read about a week ago, where someone commented about his SRN friend saying the CD has gone to press, I never doubted ya! The SRN info was right on the ball with GP2, so I knew it had to be good here too. *********************************************** * * * Karl aka The Dobeman * * Clan member of Zealot Wroth * * * *********************************************** * * * 1996 Ninja 500 1995 VW Golf * * 1995 Wife & 1990 Doberman * * * ***********************************************

> Hi Roger, > One thing I learned along time ago when posting information on-line, > is that you really have to be vague. SNIP>>>>> So, I would be fine with giving more specific dates (when I know Adam, It's here and I would personally like to THANK YOU for one outstanding racing simulation! I've had NASCAR-1 since the day it hit the store shelves and played it every day since. I wondered how can they possibly make it better, but you guys did. Man what a job you all did. All I can say again is THANKS, it's really, really great! Sal V.