XP Service Pack 2 causing any problems?

This may have come up, but I missed it..... Is XP Service Pack 2 causing any problems with our favorite SIMS? I installed it on my working partition, but have not installed it on my Gaming partition until I hear if it screws up our SIMS, especially NR2003 and F1C. Here's a scary thought.... What if it does? I don't think it's possible NR2003 would ever get fixed :( I've always feared the demon that would take away our beloved SIM would be.... Microsoft. -Larry

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mwUTc.20578$Yf6.3938@lakeread03...

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> This may have come up, but I missed it..... > > Is XP Service Pack 2 causing any problems with our favorite SIMS? > > I installed it on my working partition, but have not installed it on my > Gaming partition until I hear if it screws up our SIMS, especially NR2003 > and F1C. > > Here's a scary thought.... What if it does? I don't think it's possible > NR2003 would ever get fixed :( > > I've always feared the demon that would take away our beloved SIM would > be.... Microsoft. > > -Larry >

Don't install SP2 ... problem solved. I tried it and registry mechanic quit working as did NAV Pro 2003. Gawd knows what others.... I'll stick with ZoneAlarm until SP2 finds more reputable use.

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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mwUTc.20578$Yf6.3938@lakeread03... >> This may have come up, but I missed it..... >> >> Is XP Service Pack 2 causing any problems with our favorite SIMS? >> >> I installed it on my working partition, but have not installed it on my >> Gaming partition until I hear if it screws up our SIMS, especially NR2003 >> and F1C. >> >> Here's a scary thought.... What if it does? I don't think it's possible >> NR2003 would ever get fixed :( >> >> I've always feared the demon that would take away our beloved SIM would >> be.... Microsoft. >> >> -Larry >> > Don't install SP2 ... problem solved. > I tried it and registry mechanic quit working as did NAV Pro 2003. Gawd > knows what others.... > I'll stick with ZoneAlarm until SP2 finds more reputable use. > >

Funny. I have had no problems. I'd be more wary of Norton's AV than I would of SP2. I also found ZA to be extremely buggy and awkward. I use neither. A router does the trick. :) Alanb

No problems for me either. It's usually only noobs that have problems with service packs since they're thoroughly tested before being released.

"Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > No problems for me either. It's usually only noobs that have problems > with service packs since they're thoroughly tested before being released. > No doubt, though, there are probably compatibility issues. It's just that I never found anything from Norton's to be altogether friendly. I'd rather count on a router than something as intrusive as Norton's or Zone Alarm. What SP2 essentially does is patch up some security issues and turn things on by default, things that a less-informed user knows nothing about. The first thing I did after I installed SP2 was to disable the firewall, the automatic updates, and the Outlook changes. I don't need that much protection. I think that if you're careful about what you do and don't do the real stupid things, like open up email attachments from unknowns, then you'll do just fine. I have a router. I've been using a computer since something like 1985 (Tandy 1000) and I've gotten one virus. But some of the things people do are downright stupid. Why in God's name would anyone open up a newsgroup attachment with a subject like, "Bin Laden commits suicide"? But I suppose that's what these malicious people are hoping for. Get the uninformed, ill-equipped computer user to spread all this nasty stuff around. Get a router (or use a firewall) and stay updated (and I don't need MS to remind me all the time that there are updates-- I can check on my own), and you'll do just fine. Alanb

Works for me. I don't even have a virus scanner installed and I can't remember the last time I had a virus. I just assume every attachment I get has a virus unless I'm certain it doesn't

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> > "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> No problems for me either. It's usually only noobs that have problems >> with service packs since they're thoroughly tested before being released. >> > > No doubt, though, there are probably compatibility issues. It's just that > I never found anything from Norton's to be altogether friendly. I'd > rather count on a router than something as intrusive as Norton's or Zone > Alarm. > > What SP2 essentially does is patch up some security issues and turn things > on by default, things that a less-informed user knows nothing about. > > The first thing I did after I installed SP2 was to disable the firewall, > the automatic updates, and the Outlook changes. > > I don't need that much protection. I think that if you're careful about > what you do and don't do the real stupid things, like open up email > attachments from unknowns, then you'll do just fine. I have a router. > I've been using a computer since something like 1985 (Tandy 1000) and I've > gotten one virus. > > But some of the things people do are downright stupid. Why in God's name > would anyone open up a newsgroup attachment with a subject like, "Bin > Laden commits suicide"? > > But I suppose that's what these malicious people are hoping for. Get the > uninformed, ill-equipped computer user to spread all this nasty stuff > around. > > Get a router (or use a firewall) and stay updated (and I don't need MS to > remind me all the time that there are updates-- I can check on my own), > and you'll do just fine.

You ought to be using a firewall program in addition to a router. > Alanb >

Paying attention? Dear old Microsoft has released a list of programs that may be adversely affected (that is, they may not run at all) by Service Pack 2, here: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2 NASCAR Racing 2003 is among them. Oh dear. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mwUTc.20578$Yf6.3938@lakeread03...

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> This may have come up, but I missed it..... > > Is XP Service Pack 2 causing any problems with our favorite SIMS? > > I installed it on my working partition, but have not installed it on my > Gaming partition until I hear if it screws up our SIMS, especially NR2003 > and F1C. > > Here's a scary thought.... What if it does? I don't think it's possible > NR2003 would ever get fixed :( > > I've always feared the demon that would take away our beloved SIM would > be.... Microsoft. > > -Larry > >

In article <YgVTc.264727$%_6.254218@attbi_s01>, [email hidden] says... > I also found ZA to be extremely buggy and awkward. I use neither. A router > does the trick. :) > > > Alanb A router only protects you from attacks outside your network. If you have a trojan on one of the systems within your LAN, it can originate communications from within your network and your router will do nothing to stop either the original request sent by the trojan or the response coming back. Running a firewall is just good sense. -- __________________________________ Todd Walker __________________________________

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> In article <YgVTc.264727$%_6.254218@attbi_s01>, [email hidden] > says... > >> I also found ZA to be extremely buggy and awkward. I use neither. A >> router >> does the trick. :) >> >> >> Alanb > > A router only protects you from attacks outside your network. If you > have a trojan on one of the systems within your LAN, it can originate > communications from within your network and your router will do nothing > to stop either the original request sent by the trojan or the response > coming back. Running a firewall is just good sense. > > -- > __________________________________ > Todd Walker > __________________________________

Okay, I have a LAN here at home, three computers. I doubt anything major is going to happen. I've yet to have a problem and have no sensitive information so I'm alright. Now if I were a business it would be a different story. Alanb

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cw1Uc.29667$[email hidden]...

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> Paying attention? > > Dear old Microsoft has released a list of programs that may be adversely > affected (that is, they may not run at all) by Service Pack 2, here: > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2 > > NASCAR Racing 2003 is among them. Oh dear. >

"May"-- my N2003 runs fine. I figure "may" means there's a 10% chance. I wonder why it would work for some but not for others. Alanb

I had a NR2003 sound issue after the SP2 install. A quick jump to the Creative site showed an available patch (dated 7/26) to the Audigy driver which cured the sound problem in NR2003. Mitch "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cw1Uc.29667$[email hidden]...

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> Paying attention? > > Dear old Microsoft has released a list of programs that may be adversely > affected (that is, they may not run at all) by Service Pack 2, here: > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2 > > NASCAR Racing 2003 is among them. Oh dear. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mwUTc.20578$Yf6.3938@lakeread03... >> This may have come up, but I missed it..... >> >> Is XP Service Pack 2 causing any problems with our favorite SIMS? >> >> I installed it on my working partition, but have not installed it on my >> Gaming partition until I hear if it screws up our SIMS, especially NR2003 >> and F1C. >> >> Here's a scary thought.... What if it does? I don't think it's possible >> NR2003 would ever get fixed :( >> >> I've always feared the demon that would take away our beloved SIM would >> be.... Microsoft. >> >> -Larry >> >> > >

Thx, Mitch! That was the kinda hedsup I wuz lookin for! "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6y4Uc.3970$[email hidden]...

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> I had a NR2003 sound issue after the SP2 install. A quick jump to the > Creative site showed an available patch (dated 7/26) to the Audigy driver > which cured the sound problem in NR2003. > > Mitch > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cw1Uc.29667$[email hidden]... > > Paying attention? > > > > Dear old Microsoft has released a list of programs that may be adversely > > affected (that is, they may not run at all) by Service Pack 2, here: > > > >

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2

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> > > > NASCAR Racing 2003 is among them. Oh dear. > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:mwUTc.20578$Yf6.3938@lakeread03... > >> This may have come up, but I missed it..... > >> > >> Is XP Service Pack 2 causing any problems with our favorite SIMS? > >> > >> I installed it on my working partition, but have not installed it on my > >> Gaming partition until I hear if it screws up our SIMS, especially

NR2003 > >> and F1C. > >> > >> Here's a scary thought.... What if it does? I don't think it'spossible

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> >> NR2003 would ever get fixed :( > >> > >> I've always feared the demon that would take away our beloved SIM would > >> be.... Microsoft. > >> > >> -Larry > >> > >> > > > > > >

Thx, Mitch! That was the kinda hedsup I wuz lookin for!

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> I had a NR2003 sound issue after the SP2 install. A quick jump to the > Creative site showed an available patch (dated 7/26) to the Audigy driver > which cured the sound problem in NR2003. > Mitch > > Paying attention? > > Dear old Microsoft has released a list of programs that may be adversely > > affected (that is, they may not run at all) by Service Pack 2, here:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2

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> > NASCAR Racing 2003 is among them. Oh dear. > >> This may have come up, but I missed it..... > >> Is XP Service Pack 2 causing any problems with our favorite SIMS? > >> I installed it on my working partition, but have not installed it on my > >> *** partition until I hear if it screws up our SIMS, especially

NR2003 > >> and F1C. > >> Here's a scary thought.... What if it does? I don't think it's possible > >> NR2003 would ever get fixed :( > >> I've always feared the demon that would take away our beloved SIM would > >> be.... Microsoft. > >> -Larry

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 02:14:41 GMT, "Rich" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Don't install SP2 ... problem solved. >I tried it and registry mechanic quit working as did NAV Pro 2003. Gawd >knows what others.... >I'll stick with ZoneAlarm until SP2 finds more reputable use. > I just ran Registry Mechanic v2.1 with SP2 installed and had no problems.

Must have all been tested by noobs huh? "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cw1Uc.29667$[email hidden]...

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> Paying attention? > > Dear old Microsoft has released a list of programs that may be adversely > affected (that is, they may not run at all) by Service Pack 2, here: > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2 > > NASCAR Racing 2003 is among them. Oh dear. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mwUTc.20578$Yf6.3938@lakeread03... > > This may have come up, but I missed it..... > > > > Is XP Service Pack 2 causing any problems with our favorite SIMS? > > > > I installed it on my working partition, but have not installed it on my > > Gaming partition until I hear if it screws up our SIMS, especially

NR2003

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> > and F1C. > > > > Here's a scary thought.... What if it does? I don't think it's possible > > NR2003 would ever get fixed :( > > > > I've always feared the demon that would take away our beloved SIM would > > be.... Microsoft. > > > > -Larry > > > > > >

LOL "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > No problems for me either. It's usually only noobs that have problemswith > service packs since they're thoroughly tested before being released. > >

I've NEVER used a software Firewall. I am a 100% firm believer in hardware firewalls, and I don't need yet another system-level software package stealing cpu cycles from my system. -Larry "JTS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%3WTc.319188$XM6.104268@attbi_s53... > > > > "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> No problems for me either. It's usually only noobs that have problems > >> with service packs since they're thoroughly tested before being

released. > >> > > > > No doubt, though, there are probably compatibility issues. It's justthat > > I never found anything from Norton's to be altogether friendly. I'd > > rather count on a router than something as intrusive as Norton's or Zone > > Alarm. > > > > What SP2 essentially does is patch up some security issues and turnthings

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> > on by default, things that a less-informed user knows nothing about. > > > > The first thing I did after I installed SP2 was to disable the firewall, > > the automatic updates, and the Outlook changes. > > > > I don't need that much protection. I think that if you're careful about > > what you do and don't do the real stupid things, like open up email > > attachments from unknowns, then you'll do just fine. I have a router. > > I've been using a computer since something like 1985 (Tandy 1000) and

I've > > gotten one virus. > > > > But some of the things people do are downright stupid. Why in God'sname > > would anyone open up a newsgroup attachment with a subject like, "Bin > > Laden commits suicide"? > > > > But I suppose that's what these malicious people are hoping for. Getthe > > uninformed, ill-equipped computer user to spread all this nasty stuff > > around. > > > > Get a router (or use a firewall) and stay updated (and I don't need MSto

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> > remind me all the time that there are updates-- I can check on my own), > > and you'll do just fine. > > You ought to be using a firewall program in addition to a router. > > > Alanb > > > >

There is a thread at the RSC/SCC forum with varying reports on SP2...seems the directx9c may be giving some problems...while others report now problems at all...... Kevin (aka tlgtr) **** Zip slowly, medical statistics show that over 100,000 people are injured annually by their clothing.

Good luck! "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sXzUc.24280$Yf6.17765@lakeread03...

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> I've NEVER used a software Firewall. I am a 100% firm believer in > hardware > firewalls, and I don't need yet another system-level software package > stealing cpu cycles from my system. > > -Larry > > "JTS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >> "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:%3WTc.319188$XM6.104268@attbi_s53... >> > >> > "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> No problems for me either. It's usually only noobs that have problems >> >> with service packs since they're thoroughly tested before being > released. >> >> >> > >> > No doubt, though, there are probably compatibility issues. It's just > that >> > I never found anything from Norton's to be altogether friendly. I'd >> > rather count on a router than something as intrusive as Norton's or >> > Zone >> > Alarm. >> > >> > What SP2 essentially does is patch up some security issues and turn > things >> > on by default, things that a less-informed user knows nothing about. >> > >> > The first thing I did after I installed SP2 was to disable the >> > firewall, >> > the automatic updates, and the Outlook changes. >> > >> > I don't need that much protection. I think that if you're careful >> > about >> > what you do and don't do the real stupid things, like open up email >> > attachments from unknowns, then you'll do just fine. I have a router. >> > I've been using a computer since something like 1985 (Tandy 1000) and > I've >> > gotten one virus. >> > >> > But some of the things people do are downright stupid. Why in God's > name >> > would anyone open up a newsgroup attachment with a subject like, "Bin >> > Laden commits suicide"? >> > >> > But I suppose that's what these malicious people are hoping for. Get > the >> > uninformed, ill-equipped computer user to spread all this nasty stuff >> > around. >> > >> > Get a router (or use a firewall) and stay updated (and I don't need MS > to >> > remind me all the time that there are updates-- I can check on my own), >> > and you'll do just fine. >> >> You ought to be using a firewall program in addition to a router. >> >> > Alanb >> > >> >> > >

Luck is not a factor. Knowing what to do and what not to do as well as keeping one's system up to date is the factor. Being smart enough to not open attachments and not allow ActiveX installations from strangers is always the primary factor, as well as not installing every free toy from the internet. I just wish my users would follow my advice :) Monitoring one's system with Netstat is really all you need to watch for outgoing tunnels. -Larry "JTS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Good luck! > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sXzUc.24280$Yf6.17765@lakeread03... > > I've NEVER used a software Firewall. I am a 100% firm believer in > > hardware > > firewalls, and I don't need yet another system-level software package > > stealing cpu cycles from my system. > > > > -Larry > > > > "JTS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> > >> "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:%3WTc.319188$XM6.104268@attbi_s53... > >> > > >> > "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> > news:[email hidden]... > >> >> No problems for me either. It's usually only noobs that have

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> >> >> with service packs since they're thoroughly tested before being > > released. > >> >> > >> > > >> > No doubt, though, there are probably compatibility issues. It's just > > that > >> > I never found anything from Norton's to be altogether friendly. I'd > >> > rather count on a router than something as intrusive as Norton's or > >> > Zone > >> > Alarm. > >> > > >> > What SP2 essentially does is patch up some security issues and turn > > things > >> > on by default, things that a less-informed user knows nothing about. > >> > > >> > The first thing I did after I installed SP2 was to disable the > >> > firewall, > >> > the automatic updates, and the Outlook changes. > >> > > >> > I don't need that much protection. I think that if you're careful > >> > about > >> > what you do and don't do the real stupid things, like open up email > >> > attachments from unknowns, then you'll do just fine. I have a

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> >> > I've been using a computer since something like 1985 (Tandy 1000) and > > I've > >> > gotten one virus. > >> > > >> > But some of the things people do are downright stupid. Why in God's > > name > >> > would anyone open up a newsgroup attachment with a subject like, "Bin > >> > Laden commits suicide"? > >> > > >> > But I suppose that's what these malicious people are hoping for. Get > > the > >> > uninformed, ill-equipped computer user to spread all this nasty stuff > >> > around. > >> > > >> > Get a router (or use a firewall) and stay updated (and I don't need

MS > > to > >> > remind me all the time that there are updates-- I can check on myown),

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> >> > and you'll do just fine. > >> > >> You ought to be using a firewall program in addition to a router. > >> > >> > Alanb > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >

Netstat? Larry, can you elaborate on that? TIA Jens On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:46:33 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Luck is not a factor. Knowing what to do and what not to do as well as >keeping one's system up to date is the factor. > >Being smart enough to not open attachments and not allow ActiveX >installations from strangers is always the primary factor, as well as not >installing every free toy from the internet. > >I just wish my users would follow my advice :) Monitoring one's system with >Netstat is really all you need to watch for outgoing tunnels. > >-Larry >

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Ok guys, this is how it is......SP2 causes problems! I know a few developers that have had absolutely no problems. Myself, I had enough for everyone. This is the deal. I have several machines. All configured the same for testing purposes. SP2 killed them all. I took one machine that I had an identical match too. Reformatted. Ran windows update. Installed Sp2 and everything I install now runs flawlessly. I have dumped everything I can find at it and it all runs. Most of what I have installed since SP2, didn't run before, but it runs now flawlessly. Take it for what it's worth. If you want to put in the effort. You will be rewarded. "Rich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lMUTc.29125$fz2.14810@edtnps89...

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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mwUTc.20578$Yf6.3938@lakeread03... >> This may have come up, but I missed it..... >> >> Is XP Service Pack 2 causing any problems with our favorite SIMS? >> >> I installed it on my working partition, but have not installed it on my >> Gaming partition until I hear if it screws up our SIMS, especially NR2003 >> and F1C. >> >> Here's a scary thought.... What if it does? I don't think it's possible >> NR2003 would ever get fixed :( >> >> I've always feared the demon that would take away our beloved SIM would >> be.... Microsoft. >> >> -Larry >> > Don't install SP2 ... problem solved. > I tried it and registry mechanic quit working as did NAV Pro 2003. Gawd > knows what others.... > I'll stick with ZoneAlarm until SP2 finds more reputable use. > >